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Giants are listed as having $12,309,876 in salary cap space

Canton : 3/23/2017 10:56 am
Art Stapleton:

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Keenan Robinson's contract not posted yet on NFLPA, but #Giants are listed as having $12,309,876 in salary cap space right now.
They should be able to afford Hankins, whatever  
Big Blue '56 : 3/23/2017 11:04 am : link
the final numbers are that they hopefully agree on..
Could save 3 mil  
TommyWiseau : 3/23/2017 11:05 am : link
more with cutting JT Thomas right?
Draft picks  
Mdgiantsfan : 3/23/2017 11:14 am : link
How much is typically reserved for draft picks?
RE: Draft picks  
PatersonPlank : 3/23/2017 11:15 am : link
In comment 13403827 Mdgiantsfan said:
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How much is typically reserved for draft picks?


The other thread someone said $3M, this is the net of new draftees minus players falling off the top 51.
RE: RE: Draft picks  
Big Blue '56 : 3/23/2017 11:17 am : link
In comment 13403830 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 13403827 Mdgiantsfan said:


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How much is typically reserved for draft picks?



The other thread someone said $3M, this is the net of new draftees minus players falling off the top 51.


One of the writers said 2.2..Can't remember which one
Thanks Plank & BB56  
Mdgiantsfan : 3/23/2017 11:20 am : link
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RE: RE: RE: Draft picks  
Kevin in Annapolis : 3/23/2017 11:21 am : link
In comment 13403833 Big Blue '56 said:
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One of the writers said 2.2..Can't remember which one

Stapleton I believe
so  
Steve in Greenwich : 3/23/2017 11:23 am : link
essentially if JT Thomas can get healthy enough to pass a physical so he can be released by when draft picks start signing, he by himself can equate the entire draft class signing pool, so really we should be able to comfortably sign both Keenan Robinson and Hankins with the 12 mil we have without worrying about the rookie signing pool.
Joe thomas  
The Dude : 3/23/2017 11:25 am : link
2017 cap hit is 11.5......
regarding draft picks...  
EricJ : 3/23/2017 11:26 am : link
we could still draft guys and deal with the cap and potentially cut someone later
Last week, Duggan estimated it at 5-to-6M.  
Racer : 3/23/2017 11:29 am : link
Which is what Pat Kirwan has been telling callers for their teams in the middle of the draft pack.


How much salary cap space do the Giants need for their draft picks? - ( New Window )
RE: Last week, Duggan estimated it at 5-to-6M.  
Kevin in Annapolis : 3/23/2017 11:39 am : link
In comment 13403860 Racer said:
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Which is what Pat Kirwan has been telling callers for their teams in the middle of the draft pack.
How much salary cap space do the Giants need for their draft picks? - ( New Window )


Racer - In that article you linked Duggan says don't worry about the 5.5 number as it won't count in the top 51. Real cap hit from rookie is 2.26

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To clean all of that up:

*Giants' rookie pool: $5,517,776
*Giants' actual cap hit for 2017 draft picks: $2,262,776
people always forget  
Chip : 3/23/2017 11:43 am : link
that when you sign someone new that the 51st player becomes the 52nd player and he doesn't count this time of the year.

So when you sign your 4-7th round draft picks there salary is close to the 51st player so they really don't count that much.
RE: RE: Last week, Duggan estimated it at 5-to-6M.  
Big Blue '56 : 3/23/2017 11:43 am : link
In comment 13403870 Kevin in Annapolis said:
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In comment 13403860 Racer said:


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Which is what Pat Kirwan has been telling callers for their teams in the middle of the draft pack.
How much salary cap space do the Giants need for their draft picks? - ( New Window )



Racer - In that article you linked Duggan says don't worry about the 5.5 number as it won't count in the top 51. Real cap hit from rookie is 2.26



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To clean all of that up:

*Giants' rookie pool: $5,517,776
*Giants' actual cap hit for 2017 draft picks: $2,262,776



Thanks, Kevin
Dump JT Thomas, sign Hankins, sign Pugh.  
Tom in NY : 3/23/2017 11:48 am : link
Hopefully with those moves they can still finish in the $10MM surplus area, setting themselves up for 2018 FA.

RE: Joe thomas  
Stan in LA : 3/23/2017 11:53 am : link
In comment 13403855 The Dude said:
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2017 cap hit is 11.5......


Which could be lowered significantly with a restructure.
RE: people always forget  
Optimus-NY : 3/23/2017 12:06 pm : link
In comment 13403871 Chip said:
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that when you sign someone new that the 51st player becomes the 52nd player and he doesn't count this time of the year.

So when you sign your 4-7th round draft picks there salary is close to the 51st player so they really don't count that much.


Correct. It's called cap displacement.

FYI - The only 2 salary cap numbers that will count against the cap now since the Top 51 Rule is in effect during the off-season with respect to draft picks are the cap numbers for the 1st and 2nd round draft picks. The figures are slotted (23rd and 55th overall picks for the Giants). Take cap displacement into effect and those two figures of approx. $1.93M and $828K will decrease by at least $500K each.



Rookie Pool Estimates - ( New Window )
I don't think extending Pugh  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/23/2017 1:05 pm : link
at this point is very smart. They don't really need the space, and I'm not sure they want to hitch their wagon to him with a big contract just yet considering he can't stay healthy, and he has been solid, but unspectacular.

Let him play this year out and see if he stays healthy
RE: RE: Last week, Duggan estimated it at 5-to-6M.  
Racer : 3/23/2017 1:06 pm : link
In comment 13403870 Kevin in Annapolis said:
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In comment 13403860 Racer said:
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Which is what Pat Kirwan has been telling callers for their teams in the middle of the draft pack.
How much salary cap space do the Giants need for their draft picks? - ( New Window )

Racer - In that article you linked Duggan says don't worry about the 5.5 number as it won't count in the top 51. Real cap hit from rookie is 2.26

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To clean all of that up:
*Giants' rookie pool: $5,517,776
*Giants' actual cap hit for 2017 draft picks: $2,262,776



Thanks, would be better to read a whole article before linking.

If you look at the end of year 2016 cap hit for the rookies, the $2-3M figure totally makes sense when you consider similar numbers coming in for 2017 and what numbers will be displaced from the current 51.
RE: I don't think extending Pugh  
David in LA : 3/23/2017 1:47 pm : link
In comment 13403983 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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at this point is very smart. They don't really need the space, and I'm not sure they want to hitch their wagon to him with a big contract just yet considering he can't stay healthy, and he has been solid, but unspectacular.

Let him play this year out and see if he stays healthy


Agreed
agreed  
ArcadeSlumlord : 3/23/2017 2:23 pm : link
wait on Pugh
Pugh is the best OLinemen they have, as sad as that is.  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/23/2017 2:27 pm : link
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RE: They should be able to afford Hankins, whatever  
djstat : 3/23/2017 2:33 pm : link
In comment 13403803 Big Blue '56 said:
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the final numbers are that they hopefully agree on..
THEY DON'T CARE AS MUCH ABOUT HANKINS AS YOU DO
Enough to absorb Joe Thomas  
Rflairr : 3/23/2017 4:50 pm : link
Contract
Need a RB.  
shelovesnycsports : 3/23/2017 5:10 pm : link
Just in case something happens to Perkins, can't rely on a rookie.
RE: I don't think extending Pugh  
mrvax : 3/23/2017 5:44 pm : link
In comment 13403983 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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at this point is very smart. They don't really need the space, and I'm not sure they want to hitch their wagon to him with a big contract just yet considering he can't stay healthy, and he has been solid, but unspectacular.

Let him play this year out and see if he stays healthy


George: the downside to this is the fact that this year saw huge gobs of $ going to average veteran Oline guys. Pugh is versatile and a bit above average, IMO. He may command a king's ransom next year as a FA.
RE: Need a RB.  
mrvax : 3/23/2017 5:44 pm : link
In comment 13404377 shelovesnycsports said:
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Just in case something happens to Perkins, can't rely on a rookie.



The Cows did last year.
RE: RE: Need a RB.  
shelovesnycsports : 3/23/2017 5:49 pm : link
In comment 13404423 mrvax said:
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In comment 13404377 shelovesnycsports said:


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Just in case something happens to Perkins, can't rely on a rookie.




The Cows did last year.


Non of the top backs will be there when we pick. Unless Mccafferty falls it will be a 4-7 pick.
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