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allstarjim : 3/23/2017 12:54 pm
A lot of you draft addicts like me are familiar with the draft simulator at Fanspeak. If you aren't, there are many different big boards to select from when running your draft simulation, and based on the big board, you can get some pretty wild results. Yes, a few of them are really off the wall stupid (Like Jeff Risdon, Matt Miller of Bleacher Report, & Draft Utopia). Draft Utopia even has Fabian Moreau listed as the draft's 73rd AND 76th overall player... so there's that.

However, over the last week, I decided it would be interesting to do separate mocks using (almost) ALL of the big boards. Team needs were kept static (Fanspeak). This is for discussion, and I think in particular the 1st round simulations are most helpful, but please, I know that some of these simulations and big boards are so out of touch with reality. These are players I like and I think the Giants will like, and there are some common threads.

The most common first round pick was Ramczyk, but there were a couple of simulations where Jonathan Allen fell to our spot, and he was the pick. For these mocks, I prioritized Ramczyk over Bolles, but ask me next week and I might have the reverse.

What you won't find at all: Any QB. I do not believe the Giants are looking for a QB in this draft, and I don't think they should. They have 2 viable backups (depending on your definition of viable) in Geno Smith and Josh Johnson, and the most durable QB in the NFL who is under contract for the next 3 seasons... I think next year is the year they will look for a QB in the draft to groom.

You also won't find a high priority on tight ends. I didn't really purposely avoid them, just that I liked other players at positions the Giants put a higher priority on at the spots where a tight end would've been considered at the pick. I think the Giants don't need to force TE, they have Tye, Adams, and Ellison, as well as Lacosse in case of injury attrition. Certainly the Giants could draft one, and I certainly would like to see them get a good one, and this is a good draft for one, but I'd rather have a Caleb Brantley or Chris Wormley in the 2nd than a Evan Engram or Bucky Hodges, for example.

These mocks might also help introduce some players in the later rounds to some posters you may not already be familiar with that the Giants may target. I'm working on providing the shareable link to the Google spreadsheet showing the full mock draft results, as well as some of the players I passed on in favor of the pick in each round. However, BBI doesn't like the link... so I'm trying to work on that and will add to the comments if I get it worked out.

Without further ado, here are TWELVE mock draft simulation results:

Inside the Pylon
Rd1/23 Jonathan Allen, DT, Alabama
Rd2/55 Cordrea Tankersly, CB, Clemson
Rd3/87 ArDarius Stewart, WR, Alabama
Rd4/140 Jeremy McNichols, RB, Boise St
Rd5/167 Aviante Collins, OT, TCU
Rd6/207 Avery Moss, DE, Youngstown St
Rd7/241 Joe Williams, RB, Utah

CBS
Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin
Chris Wormley, DT, Michigan
Adoree' Jackson, CB, USC
D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas
Josh Reynolds, WR, Texas A& M
Jalen Reeves-Maybin, LB, Tennessee
Joe Williams, RB, Utah

Bleacher Report - Matt Miller
Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin
Obi Melifonwu, S, UCONN
Chris Wormley, DT, Michigan
DeMarcus Walker, DE, FSU
Josh Malone, WR, Tennessee
ArDarius Stewart, WR, Alabama
Aaron Jones, RB, UTEP

Fanspeak
O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama
Caleb Brantley, DT, Florida
Antonio Garcia, OT, Troy
Amara Darboh, WR, Michigan
Howard Wilson, CB, Houston
Aaron Jones, RB, UTEP
De'Angelo Henderson, RB, Coastal Carolina

Draft Countdown
Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin
Alvin Kamara, RB, Tennessee
Dalvin Tomlinson, DT, Alabama
Ahkthello Witherspoon, CB, Colorado
Josh Malone, WR, Tennessee
Jayon Brown, LB, UCLA
Shaquill Griffin, CB, UCF

Brandon Norris - Arrowhead Addiction
Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin
Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama
Joe Mixon, RB, Oklahoma
ArDarius Stewart, WR, Alabama
Duke Riley, LB, LSU
Amara Darboh, WR, Michigan
Tanzel Smart, DT, Tulane

Drafttek
Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin
Caleb Brantley, DT, Florida
Alvin Kamara, RB, Tennessee
ArDarius Stewart, WR, Alabama
Julie'n Davenport, OT, Bucknell
Fabian Moreau, CB, UCLA
Josh Malone, WR, Tennessee

Scott Carasik - Falconswire
Obi Melifonwu, S, UCONN
Garrett Bolles, OT, Utah
Cordrea Tankersly, CB, Clemson
Joe Mixon, RB, Oklahoma
Davon Godchaux, DT, LSU
Kenny Golladay, WR, Northern Illinois
Joe Williams, RB, Utah

NFL Mock
Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin
Caleb Brantley, DT, Florida
Zay Jones, WR, East Carolina
Jordan Leggett, TE, Clemson
Jamaal Williams, RB, BYU
Jalen Reeves-Maybin, LB, Tennessee
Brendan Langley, CB, Lamar

Composite Big Board
Jonathan Allen, DT, Alabama
Obi Melifonwu, S, UCONN
ArDarius Stewart, WR, Alabama
Jeremy McNichols, RB, Boise State
Jeremy Sprinkle, TE, Arkansas
Kenny Golladay, WR, Northern Illinois
Brendan Langley, CB, Lamar

Jeff Risdon - Real GM
Malik Hooker, S, Ohio State
Garrett Bolles, OT, Utah
Amara Darboh, WR, Michigan
D'Onta Foreman, RB, Texas
Howard Wilson, CB, Houston
Isaac Rochell, DT, Notre Dame
Jayon Brown, LB, UCLA

Draft Utopia
Garrett Bolles, OT, Utah
David Njoku, TE, Miami
Caleb Brantley, DT, Florida
Amara Darboh, WR, Michigan
Jeremy McNichols, RB, Boise St
ArDarius Stewart, WR, Alabama
Jamaal Williams, RB, BYU

I'll also answer any questions about the decision-making and positional priorities, and why I like certain players, and also welcome your mock drafts in this thread as well for further discussion.
Link - just copy paste to your browser  
allstarjim : 3/23/2017 12:55 pm : link
It won't let me link with the url code: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-2_e2Mx3zSMQ3dr9XPj_syIkzYhOd1K30H_RWiLu0AU/edit?usp=sharing
No  
MotownGIANTS : 3/23/2017 12:56 pm : link
way we pickup Mixon ....
2nd try  
allstarjim : 3/23/2017 12:56 pm : link
Trying the hyperlinking one more time.
Full Mock Draft results - ( New Window )
You forgot one  
Anakim : 3/23/2017 12:58 pm : link
Anakim's:

1) RB Dalvin Cook of Florida State
2) FS Marcus Williams of Utah
3) DT Larry Ogunjobi of Charlotte
4) OT Julie'n Davenport of Bucknell
5) OLB Jalen Reeves-Maybin of Tennessee
6) CB Shaq Griffin of Central Florida
7) DE Deatrich Wise Jr. of Arkansas
This is cool  
Young Elijah : 3/23/2017 1:00 pm : link
It would probably be more telling if you could throw it in excel and show it in a matrix where Round is the X axis and site is the Y axis so we can see the players by round. If someone is savvy enough, give it a shot!
RE: No  
allstarjim : 3/23/2017 1:00 pm : link
In comment 13403960 MotownGIANTS said:
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way we pickup Mixon ....


Glad you mentioned him. I never drafted him prior to the third... and I admit the Giants MAY have him off their board. But he's a first round talent, and this was an incident several years ago, and admittedly what he did was despicable. But a lot of time has passed, and it's up to the teams to evaluate if he earned a second chance. I don't know if he has or he hasn't, and I know the Giants are conservative when it comes to matters like this, but I wouldn't take him off my board if he represented great value and I felt confident in his remorsefulness and behavior since the incident, and that's why I drafted him in certain mocks if he represented enough value at the pick. Certainly, if he's available in the third, that's phenomenal value in terms of just the skill and football ability of the player.
Looking at the first pick only in each mock  
superspynyg : 3/23/2017 1:01 pm : link
I would be fine with all but the safety that is not Hooker.

having said that; no way
Johnathan Allen or Malik Hooker or OJ Howard falls to us at 23. Maybe if the stars align Howard does.
Jonathan Allen  
jeff57 : 3/23/2017 1:01 pm : link
On a line with JPP, Harrison and Vernon? Might be the best foursome since the days of the Purple People Eaters.
RE: This is cool  
allstarjim : 3/23/2017 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13403971 Young Elijah said:
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It would probably be more telling if you could throw it in excel and show it in a matrix where Round is the X axis and site is the Y axis so we can see the players by round. If someone is savvy enough, give it a shot!


They are all in order by round... I may be misunderstanding your vision here.
RE: Jonathan Allen  
allstarjim : 3/23/2017 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13403976 jeff57 said:
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On a line with JPP, Harrison and Vernon? Might be the best foursome since the days of the Purple People Eaters.


I agree, it's such a long shot to happen... I wouldn't say impossible because there are a lot of guys that teams will like in the top 22 picks, and if he somehow, some way, fell to 23, again, is nearly unthinkable, he has to be the pick. In terms of a theoretical Giants board, I would have him at the very top, personally, even over Garrett, because Garrett is a DE and we have Vernon and JPP under contract for the next 4 years.
DT in first round as BPA at 23?  
Big Blue '56 : 3/23/2017 1:14 pm : link
Asking, not commenting
RE: Looking at the first pick only in each mock  
allstarjim : 3/23/2017 1:14 pm : link
In comment 13403975 superspynyg said:
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I would be fine with all but the safety that is not Hooker.

having said that; no way
Johnathan Allen or Malik Hooker or OJ Howard falls to us at 23. Maybe if the stars align Howard does.


I have a lot of guys ahead of Melifonwu. Where I took him in the first, it was basically like a worst case scenario for the Giants. But Melifonwu is a helluva consolation prize. If you put him in that defensive backfield, it's pretty spectacular to think about. I mentioned in another thread how he would fit. On the face you would think that there is no room for him with Collins and Thompson penciled in as starters. I think Melifonwu would step in at FS, Thompson would be on the field in nickel sets, with either Melifonwu or Landon Collins dropping in at a linebacker spot (this wouldn't affect the big 3 of Jenkins, DRC, and Apple).

So your defense on passing downs would likely be Vernon, Snacks, JPP, Kennard(?) up front, the aforementioned corners, Keenan Robinson and say Landon Collins at LBer, and Melifonwu and Thompson deep. Or some variation thereof... and just typing that gets me amped.
If Allen  
ryanmkeane : 3/23/2017 1:15 pm : link
fell to 23 I think Reese would have a heart attack. Sign me up for that
Hooker may not be ready  
jeff57 : 3/23/2017 1:17 pm : link
for the beginning of training camp. That's the only reason I can see him falling. Even still, hard to believe he would fall that far.
RE: DT in first round as BPA at 23?  
allstarjim : 3/23/2017 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13403997 Big Blue '56 said:
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Asking, not commenting


If it's Allen, he's BPA, yes. In terms of methodology, I always try to balance BPA, team need, and positional scarcity with each pick. That's the reason why in most cases RB's weren't taken prior to the 4th or 5th round... because looking at the players available, I felt I could wait longer and still get a good RB I liked later.
RE: If Allen  
jeff57 : 3/23/2017 1:19 pm : link
In comment 13404001 ryanmkeane said:
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fell to 23 I think Reese would have a heart attack. Sign me up for that


He has arthritis in his shoulders. Allen, not Reese. Unclear how much of a concern it is.
RE: Hooker may not be ready  
allstarjim : 3/23/2017 1:19 pm : link
In comment 13404004 jeff57 said:
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for the beginning of training camp. That's the only reason I can see him falling. Even still, hard to believe he would fall that far.


I agree, and in a dozen simulations he only fell to the 23rd pick in 1 of them.
You mentioned Fabian Moreau in your opening g statement  
Earl the goat : 3/23/2017 2:07 pm : link
He's out 4-6 months with torn pectoral. Sure to drop him down the board
Thanks for the update  
allstarjim : 3/23/2017 2:18 pm : link
Could be a value pick if he falls to the 3rd.
I think Giants have surprise pick  
NikkiMac : 3/23/2017 2:43 pm : link
In store for us

How about LB JARRAN DAVIS FLORIDA

OR
TE EVAN ENGRAM OLE MISS
in the first round !!!!!
NFL Mock or Draft Utopia would work for me  
Rjanyg : 3/23/2017 2:56 pm : link
All the others suck
RE: RE: No  
santacruzom : 3/23/2017 5:29 pm : link
In comment 13403973 allstarjim said:
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In comment 13403960 MotownGIANTS said:


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way we pickup Mixon ....



Glad you mentioned him. I never drafted him prior to the third... and I admit the Giants MAY have him off their board. But he's a first round talent, and this was an incident several years ago, and admittedly what he did was despicable. But a lot of time has passed, and it's up to the teams to evaluate if he earned a second chance. I don't know if he has or he hasn't, and I know the Giants are conservative when it comes to matters like this, but I wouldn't take him off my board if he represented great value and I felt confident in his remorsefulness and behavior since the incident, and that's why I drafted him in certain mocks if he represented enough value at the pick. Certainly, if he's available in the third, that's phenomenal value in terms of just the skill and football ability of the player.


Maybe this conversation is out of scope here, but...

Was Mixon related to the woman he punched? Was it in the context of any sort of sexual assault, or abuse motivated primarily by the fact that she was a woman? Or did he punch someone due to an escalated conflict, and that someone happened to be a woman?
One thing in common  
XBRONX : 3/23/2017 5:45 pm : link
Giants dont need a stud LB
IF Jonathan Allen Is There At 23 (unlikely)  
pa_giant_fan : 3/23/2017 6:02 pm : link
He better be the pick, don't care who else might available.
Draft Utopia would be a home run  
PatersonPlank : 3/23/2017 8:13 pm : link
Those first 3 picks would be great.
Awesome work  
DavidinBMNY : 3/23/2017 10:05 pm : link
I agree with others about Mixon. The giants are still feeling the aftermath of Josh Brown. Listen Nixon is going to make the nfl and he is an excellent player but I see him more on the jets in rd 2 then us.

Otherwise a lot of excellent combos. I would take almost all of those.
RE: I think Giants have surprise pick  
allstarjim : 3/24/2017 12:45 am : link
In comment 13404149 NikkiMac said:
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In store for us

How about LB JARRAN DAVIS FLORIDA

OR
TE EVAN ENGRAM OLE MISS
in the first round !!!!!


Too many better players will be at 23 at bigger positions of need. Engram could be a surprise pick, I will grant you that. But I just don't think the bang for the buck is there at 23. Potentially in the 2nd round at 55 but even then I passed over him when available in favor of highly ranked cornerbacks or defensive lineman, and occasionally a OT.
This is stupid sorry...  
Sasuke : 3/24/2017 7:10 am : link
And also part of the reason why mocks are generally pointless, especially the simulators.

There are guys that you listed in the late 4-6th rounds that won't... absolutely wont make it out of the 2nd or early 3rd.

you have to understand that most teams don't just draft need/ they take a BPA approach as well. The way these mocks have shaped out it looks like the giants are going to have steals at every round!

mocks are only good for the top 5 at best everything outside of that is useless.
RE: Awesome work  
santacruzom : 3/24/2017 3:13 pm : link
In comment 13404563 DavidinBMNY said:
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I agree with others about Mixon. The giants are still feeling the aftermath of Josh Brown.


Right, but... can Mixon and his camp present his episode as something that's categorically different from persistent spousal abuse?

I see it as a separate category. Brown was consistently abusing his wife, which therefore presents him as a beater of women (or at least, a beater of the woman he's married to). I think Mixon's episode presents him as a guy who can be provoked into punching an instigator who happened to be a woman, and not necessarily a habitual abuser of women.

Now, whether the Giants or any other team wants someone who can fairly easily fly off the handle and punch a person hard enough to injure their face is a related legitimate question.
CBS Drafttek  
Bluesbreaker : 3/25/2017 1:19 am : link
Both look decent have no idea after round 3 don't know
the players good enough .
Were not gonna sniff Allen or Howard I'm leary of Cook .
I would feel much better going into this season with
two O-line early .. Love Foreman as a compliment to Perkins .
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