The Giants pick Jabril Peppers with the 23rd pick

see it. Talented player, but I'm still not sure he wouldn't be better as a RB.

Left Tackle?

In comment 13404032 MotownGIANTS said:

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on the back end will be nice for years to come

Except they are the same player. Peppers isn't a FS no matter what his 40 time is. Of he had elite coverage skills he would have never lined up for a single snap at LB. He was supposed to be a CB. didn't play well there. Moved to S. Then to LB. He's going to wind up a SS rover type in the NFL.

The silliness of him practicing w the LBs was a great move by him as his agent but he's not a good fit for the Giants unless they think he grows into a WILL.

Want that guy then Reddick over him if both are there.

I thought Thompson was doing well at that role before his injury.

For the 23rd pick !

football player ... He can be a starter at FS, PR/KR and nickle day 1.

No he can't play FS and nickle at the same time so maybe as a rookie he learns FS and nickle DB. year 2 starting FS.

Say Thompson pans out ....

Peppers is your KR/PR and nickle DB and backup FS

plus he is in your dime package and is a good gunner on coverage. Not to mention the odd trick play.

Its the 23rd pick not top 10 pick.


That is a lot of value in the cap era for a Bottom of the 1st rd pick

He belongs in the box, that is where he would excel. While we already have Landon Collins there, maybe Peppers could play a S/LB hybrid, like Deone Buchanon on AZ. His versatility would definitely provide value, but my strong suspicion is that the Giants will look elsewhere.

mocked Peppers to NYG. Great athlete and a ballplayer, just put him out there.

.... I'm afraid we've got greater needs elsewhere.

I love love love Peppers and would be excited to see him in blue, but not if it means sacrificing a quality player at a position of great need, like TE, OT, or RB.

In comment 13404164 Bluenatic said:

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.... I'm afraid we've got greater needs elsewhere. I love love love Peppers and would be excited to see him in blue, but not if it means sacrificing a quality player at a position of great need, like TE, OT, or RB.

I'm biased in this way as well. He's a dynamic KR.

If Howard or Njoku are available they'll be the pick, though if Cook is available that would be interesting.
After that I think it's probably Taco. Don't think it will be an OL or Peppers.

Last year, had JPP (pressure, run D), Cromartie & Thompson been healthy the whole year and into the playoffs we'd have had the league's #1 defense. Honest, we were a couple nicks away from being that dominant.

I want the BPA at #23 and if its Peppers so freaking be it.

instead of a guy like Peppers, that'd be a mistake.

In comment 13404033 Stan in LA said:

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In comment 13404031 Gman11 said: Quote: he core a apple? Oh, you're going way back there...

I knew there were enough geezers here that would remember that reference.

You're as great as people say. Players with elite skillset get put in positions to exploit that as much as possible. Nobody's taking a great cover guy and asking him to play rush LB instead. Or if they are, it's bad coaching.

He seems to be a much better playing near the LOS and near all the action and most scouting reports back that up.

Baker.

He can do everything. Peppers can do for you.

...it really doesn't. His best position imo is SS. You know who plays that position for us right?? WILL is a stretch given his physical stature. His production on the ball as a pass defender is suspect. 1 career INT and only 10 PD's doesn't scream 1st Round FS to me.

IMO we can and will do better in both the production and 'fit' in our defense if we go that side of the ball in Round 1.

In comment 13404249 KWALL2 said:

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Baker. He can do everything. Peppers can do for you.

Baker seems like a guy that would get worn down in the pros. He's barely 200 lbs and he's gonna play safety? I'd have concerns of his ability to stay healthy at that weight.

In comment 13404255 Torrag said:

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...it really doesn't. His best position imo is SS. You know who plays that position for us right?? WILL is a stretch given his physical stature. His production on the ball as a pass defender is suspect. 1 career INT and only 10 PD's doesn't scream 1st Round FS to me. IMO we can and will do better in both the production and 'fit' in our defense if we go that side of the ball in Round 1.

He played FS 1 season ... he was not targeted teams new better. If he was horrible in coverage there would be film of him getting torched

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This guys is a stud athlete and his only knocks are pretty specifically that you shouldn't put him at those positions.

As a coverman he hasn't been an impressive playmaker. Those are the facts and he has had enough coverage assignments that is a fair statement.

Why draft a guy to play his third best position when the results don't project there? There will be better options for us if he's even there. Which I doubt because someone that needs a SS will draft him before #23. We just don't need one so it makes no sense.

He's a lot like Collins in a lot of ways. I think his pro position is SS or possibly RB.

maybe better

In comment 13404098 LI NHB said:

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but I don't see Peppers being a great fit if we're talking a plug and play starter.

Your right, that's why I want Taco instead.

In comment 13404208 Gman11 said:
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One of the greatest shows ever. Luluuuuuu.

In Collins first year, he was not a good SS but very good playing near the line of scrimmage. In fact there was a lot of talk here about a position change to LB. His pass coverage skills increased significantly in his 2nd yesterday and he became a very good SS. I'm thinking that Peppers could be that hybrid LB. I'm assuming that Thompson will be the starting FS with Adams as backup. But I'm beginning to like Peppers more and more

In comment 13404031 Gman11 said:

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he core a apple?

lmao!

The league is full of 200lbs Safeties including some of the best like Mccourty, Weddle, and Thomas.

Baker is a do everything S. I think Peppers can play a hybrid LB/S role and he can play with Collins. Baker may be a better fit though. I'd also bet on him being a better NFL player than Peppers.

In comment 13404356 gtt350 said:

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maybe better

That's quite a bold statement considering that Peppers rarely played RB in college

In comment 13404356 gtt350 said:

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maybe better

His burst is crazy.

he was a HS all American RB never played defense in HS

In comment 13404593 gtt350 said:

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he was a HS all American RB never played defense in HS

Hence, my comment on utility. We cover a lot of bases with one pick. Plus, like many here say, we are now in a matchup league where traditional roles on offense and defense are blurred. He would be an amazing asset in the red zone.

In comment 13404045 gtt350 said:

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And I don't think he will go as early as some think. Again, if we can move back which the Giants have done in the past and add another mid-late round pick, that picks looks better and better. Use that mid-late rounder on an developmental OT.

Don't think the Giants want a part of him though. No info, just a feeling

he would be a terrific addition. he can do everything Mc Caffery can do and much more.

In comment 13404619 gtt350 said:

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he would be a terrific addition. he can do everything Mc Caffery can do and much more.

This. ^^ Strong kid that will withstand the pounding better than McCaffrey. Put him at RB and let him develop at a position he played as a kid. He was misused at Michigan. A 5'11", 215 bowling ball. The perfect compliment to Perkins.

KR and LB/S, to boot. A solid pick that allows us to do more with less picks later. How many of the other potential draftees play multiple positions and play them well?

The guy doesn't have a real position. His best position might be on offense and I'm certainly not drafting a guy with a handful of career carries in the first round. Too small & not a good enough tackler to play LB. Doesn't seem to have the ball skills you want at FS.

We seem to be just fine at the Safety position. Collins is one of the top 3 Safeties in the league. Maybe the best. Darian Thompson looked very good in the 1 full game he played last year. Also impressed throughout mini & training camp. Andrew Adams played very well for a rookie UDFA that was thrown into a starting role. He should be better in his 2nd year especially with less snaps. If I was the Giants I'd add a vet Safety in the Deon Grant mold to teach the young guys.

Want nothing to do with a college safety who averaged 4 tackles a game for his career and forced 1 career turnover. Yes you read that correctly. In 27 games he forced 1 turnover. That was an INT. No fumbles recovered and no forced fumbles.

should be weary of "plugging holes" for first round picks. The goal is to get pro bowl talent in the first round. Peppers fits that mold.

On the one hand we have our SS so why draft him to fill a role he's not suited for. On the other why draft a RB that hasn't toted the rock since high school. He's just not the right fit for us.

Guys his size (or Landon's size) do not have the build to play WILL full-time in the NFL where LBs are typically thicker, more powerfully built fire hydrants of 235 lbs+.

I'm surprised to read the lack of instincts and recognition on Peppers, it would suggest a big leap of faith to project him to FS in the NFL.

In comment 13404164 Bluenatic said:

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.... I'm afraid we've got greater needs elsewhere. I love love love Peppers and would be excited to see him in blue, but not if it means sacrificing a quality player at a position of great need, like TE, OT, or RB.

This.

and TE and RB can be addressed later in the draft.

The draft normally isn't about now, it's about getting the best talent that fits your system and culture.

In comment 13404779 ryanmkeane said:

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should be weary of "plugging holes" for first round picks. The goal is to get pro bowl talent in the first round. Peppers fits that mold.

He really doesn't though. He's a DB that isn't great in coverage, isn't a very good tackler and doesn't create turnovers. Where is the Pro Bowler in that? As a return man sure he has Pro Bowl potential. Not on defense though.

he was linebacker of the year in the Big 10, 72 tackles and 16 tackles for loss. He isn't a good tackler?

In comment 13404118 AcidTest said:

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see it. Talented player, but I'm still not sure he wouldn't be better as a RB.

I wonder that too... but what if the Giants actually *did* draft him as an RB?

I don't see it, but that would be mighty intriguing.

Great college player can have weaknesses.

In comment 13404249 KWALL2 said:

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Baker. He can do everything. Peppers can do for you.

Now we're talkin'. I wonder what the draft projections for Baker are -- I'd think too many teams are wary of his size to take him in the first.

In comment 13405194 ryanmkeane said:

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he was linebacker of the year in the Big 10, 72 tackles and 16 tackles for loss. He isn't a good tackler?

No he's not a good tackler. He missed over 15% of his tackle attempts in 2015 & 2016 combined. Including 20.4% of his tackle attempts in 2015.

I doubt that gets better in the NFL. That's a very high percentage of tackles to miss in college. He's not a big guy. Certainly wouldn't trust him playing LB or SS. Don't think he's got good enough ball skills to play FS. Great college player. Don't see where he fits on an NFL defense. I'd have no problem taking him in the 3rd or 4th round. Just not any higher.