Pretty embarrassing for a known corrupt program with no academic (or other) standards whatsoever to lose to actual student athletes.
As for JT III, it was time. 2007 is a long damn time ago. I think the students and alumni afforded him plenty of patience. Time to get it moving back in the right direction.
as of now to have only 4-5 scholarship players on the team next year. Its testament to the poor recruiting job JT III did. Georgetown is a high profile program and there are some brand new beautiful facilities on campus. Hopefully we can attract some real talent.
wouldn't really be seen as moving on from that regime. I have no idea whether Payrick has the goods to be a successful college coach, but in this case, his Georgetown ties might hurt him.
I hear Amaker, Rice and Danny Hurley will likely be reached out to. Marshall will probably be too expensive and his wife is nuts. I think Ewing wants to remain in the NBA
Long shot - but they should pursue the Shaka Smarts, Greg Marshalls, Archie Millers of the world
Well surprised to read/hear from above that Skaka is already looking to leave Texas... but I highly doubt the other two would consider a lateral move. What's in it for them other than "Georgetown used to play in the BE and have epic games with St Johns, Cuse and UConn 10-20 years ago" ?
of McCullough Gym on campus. 3-23 the year Big John got there. He turned it around with an ex-postal worker named Spriggs, who was a shot blocker. Then another center named Wildon. Derrick Jackson was his first gifted guard , who played in the back court with a guy named Rosenberger, I think it was, who hurt us.
Then the steady stream of talent . Al Dutch, Johnny Duren, building up to Ewing from Cambridge Latin. They kept adding . National recruiting footprint . Internationally as well.
Now they are pretty much where they were under The Undertaker, who took over immediately for JT. They are original Big East. Therefore I root for them at all times. It will be a tough hire now because Indiana will be first dibs. But I wish them the best. A quick return to prominence .
RE: It's not the public hype and recruiting machine
Shaka could leave Texas. Apparently he doesn't like it there and he'd be far more successful in his old Mid-Atlantic stomping grounds. If I were G'Town I'd see if he wants to revitalize those old connections
RE: RE: It's not the public hype and recruiting machine
It used to be, but BE is still right there on the court and I the brackets most years.
I'm down on the program bigtime but I don't think it's a lateral move for Miller/Marshall. That's not to say those guys can't do a lot better.
Archie Miller is never leaving Arizona where he has a shot at a national championship every year for G'Town
Archie Miller coaches Dayton, his brother Sean coaches Arizona. But you're right about Sean probably not leaving his job anytime soon. Archie could be lured away from Dayton.
RE: RE: RE: It's not the public hype and recruiting machine
It used to be, but BE is still right there on the court and I the brackets most years.
I'm down on the program bigtime but I don't think it's a lateral move for Miller/Marshall. That's not to say those guys can't do a lot better.
Archie Miller is never leaving Arizona where he has a shot at a national championship every year for G'Town
Archie Miller coaches Dayton, his brother Sean coaches Arizona. But you're right about Sean probably not leaving his job anytime soon. Archie could be lured away from Dayton.
Why do I confuse them!!!! But you're right, G'Town is a much better job than Dayton so Archie could be had. My bad
and I'm weary of the focus on Amaker. Hopefully the admin demonstrates their commitment to the flagship athletic program of the school. JTIII was a great guy but it was time. No need to pay someone about $3.5mm per year to be a babysitter...
Archie Miller coaches Dayton, his brother Sean coaches Arizona. But you're right about Sean probably not leaving his job anytime soon. Archie could be lured away from Dayton.
Why do I confuse them!!!! But you're right, G'Town is a much better job than Dayton so Archie could be had. My bad
why is Georgetown a better job than Dayton? And in any event several Power Conference teams have been after Miller for years - he's a the top of a lot of wish lists. NC State would have loved to have had their former alum, but my guess is he turned them down. Indiana will certainly kick the tires, and one of the posters here thinks he'll end up at Ohio State in a year.
Georgetown is in DC. It's a program that has won a National Championship and has a national following at one of the country's premier universities. It's in a big , wealthy market. It's in a better conference that's trending upwards. Georgetown over Dayton as a coaching destination is a no brainer.
Georgetown is in DC. It's a program that has won a National Championship and has a national following at one of the country's premier universities. It's in a big , wealthy market. It's in a better conference that's trending upwards. Georgetown over Dayton as a coaching destination is a no brainer.
I've got nothing against G'Town, but "national following"? (how many national TV games did they get last year?) In general, you're living in the distant past throughout the paragraph.
I'm sure St Johns and Seton Hall fans could make similar cases about living in a nice city, final 4s our parents watched, etc.
Anyway, my retort had more to do with Miller being a hot name at 'power 5' schools for a couple of years now... its a no brainer he turns down an offer from any mid-major that doesnt have 4 x 5 on the front of it.
Hell, Temple could probably make the same pitch you just made
If people here don't think Georgetown is head and shoulders a more prestigious job at a more prestigious institution than Seton Hall, St Johns, Dayton, and Temple, far be it from me to dig my heels in.
But this thread has gone sideways anyhow.
I brought up the Miller name in passing as a way of expressing my point that Georgetown should be tracking down every name in that eschelon before even considering for a second bringing back Ewing on a heart-strings nostalgia redux.
throughout the past decade (this year being the exception), has produced NBA lottery picks, opened up a $65mm basketball facility this season, made the final four within the last 10 years, and won their conference as recently as a few years ago.
The program has been run down immensely over the past couple of years but let's not pretend that Georgetown is some commuter school that's living off nostalgia from the 80s or 90s...we'll take the late 2000s
My friends brother Tremont committed to Georgetown
He was supposed to be the first real PG that Thompson had to run his boring offensive system. Needless the say, the first call that the new coach should make is to Waters.
USA Today has a piece which argues that Georgetown actually represents the most desirable job on the market, even when considering Indiana. The author makes the point that the Georgetown administration and Hoya fans historically have had an extremely high amount of patience with their coaches, thus an incoming HC wouldn't face unrealistic expectations.
I'll add that Paul Tagliabue is heading up the search committee so that gives me some confidence that this search will be thorough. Ranking the available jobs - ( New Window )
throughout the past decade (this year being the exception), has produced NBA lottery picks, opened up a $65mm basketball facility this season, made the final four within the last 10 years, and won their conference as recently as a few years ago.
The program has been run down immensely over the past couple of years but let's not pretend that Georgetown is some commuter school that's living off nostalgia from the 80s or 90s...we'll take the late 2000s
I know it doesn't seem that long ago that Georgetown was in the final four, but the kids they're recruiting now were likely 7 or 8 years old, in other words they don't even remember when Georgetown was really good.
RE: Tremont's decommit likely added to JT3 being fired...
He was supposed to be the first real PG that Thompson had to run his boring offensive system. Needless the say, the first call that the new coach should make is to Waters.
USA Today has a piece which argues that Georgetown actually represents the most desirable job on the market, even when considering Indiana. The author makes the point that the Georgetown administration and Hoya fans historically have had an extremely high amount of patience with their coaches, thus an incoming HC wouldn't face unrealistic expectations.
I'll add that Paul Tagliabue is heading up the search committee so that gives me some confidence that this search will be thorough. Ranking the available jobs - ( New Window )
Thanks for this Burberry. I remain skeptical but unlike the earlier posts about championships in the 80s .... Your post actually made a compelling argument why this might attract real coaching talent.
Again aside from being bitter about the east regional finals a decade ago I've got nothing against the Hoyas. Good luck.
I'd have thought we would have heard more this week. Are they waiting out Alford?
If Marshall was the guy (he'd be top of my list if them unless Hoiberg wanted out from Bulls or something) you'd think that'd be close or leaked by now.
But I can't see them being bold enough to break the Thompson legacy to go with Tommy Amaker. He had his big break already and did nothing with it.
Tagliabue steering the search does give me a good level of confidence that the process will be sound and that the pitches they make will have some credibility.
In fact they really are similar. Both are basketball only programs which got really good during the glory years of the Big East. Once it died so did they. I seriously doubt top kids being recruited today have a strong opinion about either school. The other Big East schools that are now in big conferences, like Cuse, have blown by them.maube even Rutgers for that matter. I believe GTown and St John's will soon be like LaSalle, San Francisco, and CCNY, a history footnote that they used to be good.
Either Georgrtown or St Johns will be a LaSalle, San Fran, or whatever that other school is you just listed when they play in a conference that had a National Champion last season, the #1 overall seed going into this year's tournament, and has 2 different teams alive in the Sweet 16 / Elite 8 right now.
Georgetown vs St Johns is a matter of opinion. I'm not objective, so I'll spare everyone my comparison of the attractiveness of those jobs.
There are people who believe that Georgetown is the single most desirable open job in college basketball right now. Even as a Georgetown fan, I don't think that's true, but some of the comments here are amazing.
There are people who believe that Georgetown is the single most desirable open job in college basketball right now. Even as a Georgetown fan, I don't think that's true, but some of the comments here are amazing.
Haha, well the ones guys comments about LaSalle were a little over the top. But personally, while I think Georgetown is pretty decent/good job, i was reacting above to you throwing out the 3 hottest coaching names in the country as potential fills... one or two of which were lateral moves for the coach in question. That seemed naive to me.
Absent of course Georgetown throwing $20 million at somebody... because money talks... i think their sites are probably going to be a little less mainstream.
I just want them to at least go big game hunting before they hire Tommy freaking Amaker. Even if not one of the horn names, there are much better coaches for which this job would be a big step up in their career.
In fact they really are similar. Both are basketball only programs which got really good during the glory years of the Big East. Once it died so did they. I seriously doubt top kids being recruited today have a strong opinion about either school. The other Big East schools that are now in big conferences, like Cuse, have blown by them.maube even Rutgers for that matter. I believe GTown and St John's will soon be like LaSalle, San Francisco, and CCNY, a history footnote that they used to be good.
I have to disagree here. I don't want to disparage St. John's but it's still a commuter school. Georgetown alumni has some serious money and it remains one of the most prestigious schools in the nation. It also has a gorgeous campus in one of the nicest areas of DC. The right coach can make them a top 10 team. Georgetown also isn't that far removed from a final 4 appearance. They have recent NBA lottery picks, St. John's hasn't had one since Artest.
Count me in the camp re: Indiana > Gtown > most jobs...
The needs of both Indiana and Georgetown are unique and lend themselves to a different type of coaching candidate.
Indiana is a pressure cooker but can offer incredible resources and exposure as one of the national "blue bloods." I'd imagine that they need a coach who can win big and win soon, while comfortable being the public ambassador of the university.
Georgetown is a conservative/guarded program that can offer stability and DC as its podium. The admin will demand any candidate to stress the "student-athlete" balance which naturally precludes many top recruiting targets. This is a job where a coach can rebuild for a few years without much pressure and can focus more purely on basketball/recruiting with less emphasis on public or media responsibilities.
I just want them to at least go big game hunting before they hire Tommy freaking Amaker. Even if not one of the horn names, there are much better coaches for which this job would be a big step up in their career.
When I read Amaker's wiki bio, mentioning that he regularly meets with Harvard scholars for breakfast to discuss sociopolitical issues, I shuddered. DeGioia would eat that up.
When I read Amaker's wiki bio, mentioning that he regularly meets with Harvard scholars for breakfast to discuss sociopolitical issues, I shuddered. DeGioia would eat that up.
Vomit. I'm really relying on the idea that Tags wants to win and has the full force of the board behind him.
I went through the alumnus hiring experience with my undergrad institution (Colorado) when they hired favorite son, Jon Embree, to lead the football program. That experiment was an unmitigated disaster which devolved into bitter fractures within the fan base, AD, and former athletes. We just emerged out of that sort of awkward relationship at Georgetown so I'd be hesitant to engage in it again.
That being said, Ewing seems to have the coaching chops, he would know how to navigate the political institutions at Hilltop, and his name might have some nice cache on the recruiting trail. If Ewing could assemble a solid cast of recruiters with DMV-ties....big upside
As for JT III, it was time. 2007 is a long damn time ago. I think the students and alumni afforded him plenty of patience. Time to get it moving back in the right direction.
Long shot - but they should pursue the Shaka Smarts, Greg Marshalls, Archie Millers of the world before going back down memory lane. Just my view.
When Georgetown was great in the regular season, they fell short in the tournament for the most part.
Last few years though they haven't even made the tournament.
That, coupled with some alumni who complained, multiple players transferring + decomitting ultimately led to this.
Hope they stay clear of PE as well. I do think he wants to stay in the NBA.
I think Amaker is the top candidate by a decent margin. From the NoVA area and has been rumored to really seek the position.
I hope GU doesn't rush too much in hiring. I think they still have enough of a reputation to hire a decent candidate, but they need to be patient.
Long shot - but they should pursue the Shaka Smarts, Greg Marshalls, Archie Millers of the world
Well surprised to read/hear from above that Skaka is already looking to leave Texas... but I highly doubt the other two would consider a lateral move. What's in it for them other than "Georgetown used to play in the BE and have epic games with St Johns, Cuse and UConn 10-20 years ago" ?
I'm down on the program bigtime but I don't think it's a lateral move for Miller/Marshall. That's not to say those guys can't do a lot better.
Then the steady stream of talent . Al Dutch, Johnny Duren, building up to Ewing from Cambridge Latin. They kept adding . National recruiting footprint . Internationally as well.
Now they are pretty much where they were under The Undertaker, who took over immediately for JT. They are original Big East. Therefore I root for them at all times. It will be a tough hire now because Indiana will be first dibs. But I wish them the best. A quick return to prominence .
I'm down on the program bigtime but I don't think it's a lateral move for Miller/Marshall. That's not to say those guys can't do a lot better.
Archie Miller is never leaving Arizona where he has a shot at a national championship every year for G'Town
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It used to be, but BE is still right there on the court and I the brackets most years.
I'm down on the program bigtime but I don't think it's a lateral move for Miller/Marshall. That's not to say those guys can't do a lot better.
Archie Miller is never leaving Arizona where he has a shot at a national championship every year for G'Town
Archie Miller coaches Dayton, his brother Sean coaches Arizona. But you're right about Sean probably not leaving his job anytime soon. Archie could be lured away from Dayton.
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It used to be, but BE is still right there on the court and I the brackets most years.
I'm down on the program bigtime but I don't think it's a lateral move for Miller/Marshall. That's not to say those guys can't do a lot better.
Archie Miller is never leaving Arizona where he has a shot at a national championship every year for G'Town
Archie Miller coaches Dayton, his brother Sean coaches Arizona. But you're right about Sean probably not leaving his job anytime soon. Archie could be lured away from Dayton.
Why do I confuse them!!!! But you're right, G'Town is a much better job than Dayton so Archie could be had. My bad
Archie Miller coaches Dayton, his brother Sean coaches Arizona. But you're right about Sean probably not leaving his job anytime soon. Archie could be lured away from Dayton.
Why do I confuse them!!!! But you're right, G'Town is a much better job than Dayton so Archie could be had. My bad
why is Georgetown a better job than Dayton? And in any event several Power Conference teams have been after Miller for years - he's a the top of a lot of wish lists. NC State would have loved to have had their former alum, but my guess is he turned them down. Indiana will certainly kick the tires, and one of the posters here thinks he'll end up at Ohio State in a year.
I've got nothing against G'Town, but "national following"? (how many national TV games did they get last year?) In general, you're living in the distant past throughout the paragraph.
I'm sure St Johns and Seton Hall fans could make similar cases about living in a nice city, final 4s our parents watched, etc.
Anyway, my retort had more to do with Miller being a hot name at 'power 5' schools for a couple of years now... its a no brainer he turns down an offer from any mid-major that doesnt have 4 x 5 on the front of it.
But this thread has gone sideways anyhow.
I brought up the Miller name in passing as a way of expressing my point that Georgetown should be tracking down every name in that eschelon before even considering for a second bringing back Ewing on a heart-strings nostalgia redux.
The program has been run down immensely over the past couple of years but let's not pretend that Georgetown is some commuter school that's living off nostalgia from the 80s or 90s...we'll take the late 2000s
USA Today has a piece which argues that Georgetown actually represents the most desirable job on the market, even when considering Indiana. The author makes the point that the Georgetown administration and Hoya fans historically have had an extremely high amount of patience with their coaches, thus an incoming HC wouldn't face unrealistic expectations.
I'll add that Paul Tagliabue is heading up the search committee so that gives me some confidence that this search will be thorough.
Ranking the available jobs - ( New Window )
The program has been run down immensely over the past couple of years but let's not pretend that Georgetown is some commuter school that's living off nostalgia from the 80s or 90s...we'll take the late 2000s
I know it doesn't seem that long ago that Georgetown was in the final four, but the kids they're recruiting now were likely 7 or 8 years old, in other words they don't even remember when Georgetown was really good.
USA Today has a piece which argues that Georgetown actually represents the most desirable job on the market, even when considering Indiana. The author makes the point that the Georgetown administration and Hoya fans historically have had an extremely high amount of patience with their coaches, thus an incoming HC wouldn't face unrealistic expectations.
I'll add that Paul Tagliabue is heading up the search committee so that gives me some confidence that this search will be thorough. Ranking the available jobs - ( New Window )
Thanks for this Burberry. I remain skeptical but unlike the earlier posts about championships in the 80s .... Your post actually made a compelling argument why this might attract real coaching talent.
Again aside from being bitter about the east regional finals a decade ago I've got nothing against the Hoyas. Good luck.
If Marshall was the guy (he'd be top of my list if them unless Hoiberg wanted out from Bulls or something) you'd think that'd be close or leaked by now.
I would bet Amaker gets the job.
Tagliabue steering the search does give me a good level of confidence that the process will be sound and that the pitches they make will have some credibility.
Georgetown vs St Johns is a matter of opinion. I'm not objective, so I'll spare everyone my comparison of the attractiveness of those jobs.
There are people who believe that Georgetown is the single most desirable open job in college basketball right now. Even as a Georgetown fan, I don't think that's true, but some of the comments here are amazing.
There are people who believe that Georgetown is the single most desirable open job in college basketball right now. Even as a Georgetown fan, I don't think that's true, but some of the comments here are amazing.
Haha, well the ones guys comments about LaSalle were a little over the top. But personally, while I think Georgetown is pretty decent/good job, i was reacting above to you throwing out the 3 hottest coaching names in the country as potential fills... one or two of which were lateral moves for the coach in question. That seemed naive to me.
Absent of course Georgetown throwing $20 million at somebody... because money talks... i think their sites are probably going to be a little less mainstream.
I have to disagree here. I don't want to disparage St. John's but it's still a commuter school. Georgetown alumni has some serious money and it remains one of the most prestigious schools in the nation. It also has a gorgeous campus in one of the nicest areas of DC. The right coach can make them a top 10 team. Georgetown also isn't that far removed from a final 4 appearance. They have recent NBA lottery picks, St. John's hasn't had one since Artest.
Indiana is a pressure cooker but can offer incredible resources and exposure as one of the national "blue bloods." I'd imagine that they need a coach who can win big and win soon, while comfortable being the public ambassador of the university.
Georgetown is a conservative/guarded program that can offer stability and DC as its podium. The admin will demand any candidate to stress the "student-athlete" balance which naturally precludes many top recruiting targets. This is a job where a coach can rebuild for a few years without much pressure and can focus more purely on basketball/recruiting with less emphasis on public or media responsibilities.
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When I read Amaker's wiki bio, mentioning that he regularly meets with Harvard scholars for breakfast to discuss sociopolitical issues, I shuddered. DeGioia would eat that up.
Vomit. I'm really relying on the idea that Tags wants to win and has the full force of the board behind him.
I went through the alumnus hiring experience with my undergrad institution (Colorado) when they hired favorite son, Jon Embree, to lead the football program. That experiment was an unmitigated disaster which devolved into bitter fractures within the fan base, AD, and former athletes. We just emerged out of that sort of awkward relationship at Georgetown so I'd be hesitant to engage in it again.
That being said, Ewing seems to have the coaching chops, he would know how to navigate the political institutions at Hilltop, and his name might have some nice cache on the recruiting trail. If Ewing could assemble a solid cast of recruiters with DMV-ties....big upside
I still want Shaka