- first back to back wins last night
- 6-7 record in march- really since Lin is back they have played solid basketball. Better record in march then the cavs!
-for all the yogi-mania, Seth curry took his job yesterday- dinwiddie has shown well since increased minutes
- levert continues to show that he is a starter and could be a very good one- lots of poise and didn't even have an offseason after foot surgery.
-team defense has been much better since losing bogdonovic and kilpatrick getting hurt
- kj McDaniel making a case for minutes next year - acy also finding a minutes nitch- both bring toughness-the young kid from Kentucky they ha e on a 10d is showing decently but he needs a jumper.
-Lopez looking very good- finishing the year with high stock if they did want to trade him (don't think they will)
- Atkinson scouting in Europe right now- and 2 mid 20s picks, plus the expectation of making runs at porter and pope.(likely matched)
- one disappointment is I'd like to see more improvement from Hollis Jefferson - very inconsistent- jury still out- Justin Hamilton I though could be ok- he is not an NBA player.
Last stretch of games should be fun to watch- especially relative to the dec-feb stretch!
whitehead has an nba body and no fear- i think he has a role off the bench- a rodney stuckey type
praiseworthy new administration.
I don't think it will be their first choice to go the RFA route again. Instead I think they'll make a run at a UFA combo guard like George Hill or Jeff Teague to start in the backcourt almost interchangeably with Lin. Hill is really perfect other than the fact that he's 30 years old. Atkinson has played lineups with multiple ball handlers in this recent stretch, both guys have ties to people in this organization and I'd imagine we'll be able to match their highest bids. Very interested to see what Marks does at the draft since he's got 2 picks and it's a deeper draft than last year. Things are definitely looking up for the organization.
He reminds me of Batum. His shot is better than expected, as is his athleticism. Also has some similarities to Kerry Kittles, and not just because he's a Net.
Still think RHJ has the most upside, though. Don't know if he'd ever find his shot but if he's playing the 4 he has enough ball handling/play making abilities to create some mismatches. Good rebounder and without saying, amazing defender.
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looks like a gordan hayward type. good handle, smooth game. better defender, less natural scoring ability.
He reminds me of Batum. His shot is better than expected, as is his athleticism. Also has some similarities to Kerry Kittles, and not just because he's a Net.
those might be better comparisons. the batum one. though i think he is a bit more agile. i think he can make an All star game --- that type of talent, which is a good thing
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Yogi is a "gem" despite seeing very little of him in the NBA and after a few weeks looking like JAG... Levert will NOT be an all star--- but just the 4th best player on a good team. very precise.
man I wish i had all the facts.
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he's a 4th option on a good team. A nice find in the late first. He won't sniff an all star game.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Yogi is a "gem" despite seeing very little of him in the NBA and after a few weeks looking like JAG... Levert will NOT be an all star--- but just the 4th best player on a good team. very precise.
man I wish i had all the facts.
How exactly is levert on some other planet than than yogi? He's a SF that's a very slow average 3 point shooter, averaging 7.7 ppg. And he's about to be 23. Yet he's a "Gordon Hayward" type? What am I missing here?
Yogi is a gem in the sense he's an effective role player (what Caris Lavert is) yet the Mavs didn't have to spend a single 1st round pick on him.
I was a big fan of Laverts throughout his entire college career. The dude is a gamer. He has a role on a good team in the NBA. He'll average 15-17 ppg in his prime. He wasn't a consistently 3 point shooter in college and that's why he slipped so far (that and injuries).
If he can get his 3 point shot down he's a Wesley Matthews-type (who, btw, is an ELITE 3 point shooter). Lavert the better play maker. Not Gordon Hayward.
A steal in the late first nonetheless.
I dont think saying someone who can maybe average 17 with 5 assists and 5 boards playing good d... maybe makes 1 AS game... its crazy.
I dont think saying someone who can maybe average 17 with 5 assists and 5 boards playing good d... maybe makes 1 AS game... its crazy.
Well Gordon Hayward is more than just an all star. He's not an all NBA player, but he's what maybe a top 20-25 player in the league?
Even as a Lavert fan I think that's above and beyond his capabilities. On the other hand, Matthews is a winning player who you ideally want as a 4th/5th option on a contending team. Hayward could potentially be a #3 or even a #2 (albeit if you have a Lebron/KD/Kawhi as the #1) which is more or less my point.
Matthews a great player, but I wouldn't say he was ever anything higher than a top 40-ish player at the peak of his career.
I don't see how I'm dissing Levert or anything. I'm claiming a 23 year old wing player who is averaging 8 ppg and shooting 31% from 3 on the worst team in the NBA can be a 4th option on a contender. I don't know how That's disrespecting him.
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between a all nba player, and a guy that can make an all star game.
I dont think saying someone who can maybe average 17 with 5 assists and 5 boards playing good d... maybe makes 1 AS game... its crazy.
Well Gordon Hayward is more than just an all star. He's not an all NBA player, but he's what maybe a top 20-25 player in the league?
Even as a Lavert fan I think that's above and beyond his capabilities. On the other hand, Matthews is a winning player who you ideally want as a 4th/5th option on a contending team. Hayward could potentially be a #3 or even a #2 (albeit if you have a Lebron/KD/Kawhi as the #1) which is more or less my point.
Matthews a great player, but I wouldn't say he was ever anything higher than a top 40-ish player at the peak of his career.
I don't see how I'm dissing Levert or anything. I'm claiming a 23 year old wing player who is averaging 8 ppg and shooting 31% from 3 on the worst team in the NBA can be a 4th option on a contender. I don't know how That's disrespecting him.
I think that's fair, but personally I think he's somewhere in between the two. Atkinson still limits him...He's getting maybe 20 mpg and remember he didn't have a full offseason. I think we can all agree he has the potential to be a good player.
I totally agree he's hasn't looked like, and likely never will be, someone you can play the offense through as a primary option (like Hayward), but he's already pretty clearly a starter level player - which is more than you can say about most 3&D guys (or non-lotto rookies).
If Lin was healthy they would have won 30 games so I think that's the baseline for next year before seeing what they do in the offseason. Depending on what they do I don't think it's crazy that they could be .500 next year. Yes it will take overachieving, but it's not totally out of the realm of possibility. George Hill would be a really nice fit in the backcourt next to Lin.
I totally agree he's hasn't looked like, and likely never will be, someone you can play the offense through as a primary option (like Hayward), but he's already pretty clearly a starter level player - which is more than you can say about most 3&D guys (or non-lotto rookies).
I agree with this completely.
I don't know where I'm coming off as if I've only looked at his ESPN page. Based off stats, he's not a very good NBA player. I never said that. I think he's a good player and will be a good contributor if/when the Nets are good again. I just don't think he'll be a top 25 NBA player. Shoot me.
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is having watched almost every game this year... i think next year will be enjoyable to watch- and will be the last hopeless year of this rebuild (the following year if they suck they get a top pick)
If Lin was healthy they would have won 30 games so I think that's the baseline for next year before seeing what they do in the offseason. Depending on what they do I don't think it's crazy that they could be .500 next year. Yes it will take overachieving, but it's not totally out of the realm of possibility. George Hill would be a really nice fit in the backcourt next to Lin.
Short of getting KD, Steph or Lebron I don't think they can sniff .500.
But that's not the goal. If you're signing george hills you'll be stuck in mediocrity without ever landing a top pick to give you a shot at drafting an actual star.
The Nets are 0-14 in the 14 games Lopez missed over the last two years. Just think about that. Lopez isn't part of the future, he needs to get dealt and then the following year the Nets will be favorites to get the #1 pick in 2019 (or whenever they get their pick back).
Sure, the Nets may give that 10 win nets team a run for its money without brook, but they need to stockpile as many picks/young players for when they do finally get that top 3 pick.
they have made it clear that they want guys that are interchangeable... combo guards, bigger PGs, and playing 4 out motion, which is nice to watch
they have made it clear that they want guys that are interchangeable... combo guards, bigger PGs, and playing 4 out motion, which is nice to watch
So basically what Jason Kidd wants.
You get $10 tickets from the scalpers for many games and can sit anywhere you want. I was there for 'Biggie Night,' funny stuff.
no penalty for redistributing to your team--- but the point is the nets have space and not may suitors... and forward coommittments are low/nothing-- so signing a good player that fits their mold even if a lot.... isnt going to restrict anything going forward
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is having watched almost every game this year... i think next year will be enjoyable to watch- and will be the last hopeless year of this rebuild (the following year if they suck they get a top pick)
If Lin was healthy they would have won 30 games so I think that's the baseline for next year before seeing what they do in the offseason. Depending on what they do I don't think it's crazy that they could be .500 next year. Yes it will take overachieving, but it's not totally out of the realm of possibility. George Hill would be a really nice fit in the backcourt next to Lin.
Short of getting KD, Steph or Lebron I don't think they can sniff .500.
But that's not the goal. If you're signing george hills you'll be stuck in mediocrity without ever landing a top pick to give you a shot at drafting an actual star.
The Nets are 0-14 in the 14 games Lopez missed over the last two years. Just think about that. Lopez isn't part of the future, he needs to get dealt and then the following year the Nets will be favorites to get the #1 pick in 2019 (or whenever they get their pick back).
Sure, the Nets may give that 10 win nets team a run for its money without brook, but they need to stockpile as many picks/young players for when they do finally get that top 3 pick.
I could see the Nets being next year's surprise team like the Heat were this year. They entered the year with a few starting level players returning (Dragic, Whiteside) and some interesting young guys like Winslow and Tyler Johnson (sidenote: f*ck Dwade for costing us TJ on a steal of a contract). They also had a really good coach who got them to play really hard and a great GM who consistently finds unexpected contributors in their culture.
The biggest positive this season has got to be the combo of Atkinson/Marks showing they can deliver similarly in terms of building a positive culture and finding talent with minimal assets. Next year the baseline should be higher than this year just by getting slightly better luck and who knows how much the management team will be able to get done in their second offseason. I don't expect them to swing and miss as much in year 2.
At deadline I felt trade, now I lean keep. If someone overpays with a top 15 pick and there's a top draft target still available, sure, but I wouldn't be shopping him. Reasonable contract and a very good offensive center. The 3 pt shot brings a lot of value opening up the paint.
That's a bad comparison. The Heat have Dragic and Whiteside, too much better players than anyone the Nets have. Dragic was an All NBA player just 3 years ago. Whiteside is an All Defensive team player/borderline all star.
I don't see how the Nets can sniff .500 for the next 3-4 years (nor why the hell would you want to, give #1 overall picks to Boston for 2 years and then when its the Nets turn the picks are outside of the lottery?).
Miami is a cute story, but at the end of the day they're going to run into the same issues the Hawks have. Miami should be blowing up their roster. They aren't going anywhere with their team.
I'm sorry, I'm not letting a nice 26 game stretch this season from Lin get in the way of me thinking that he's anything close to the player Dragic is (factoring in too how much rest Lin is getting from all his injuries).
Lopez is a good player don't get me wrong, but Whiteside can anchor a top level defense. Lopez hasn't shown that.
You're also leaving out Waiters and James Johnson (who is criminally underrated, probably Miami's 3rd best player). I don't see those types of players on the Nets.
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success this year (Spo should be coach of the year). I disagree that there's a big difference in talent between Dragic/Lin or Lopez/Whiteside or the rosters overall (RHJ/Levert/Winslow/TJ). The centers each obviously have totally different play styles, but they're both borderline all stars right around 20 PER this year, as are Dragic and Lin for that matter.
I'm sorry, I'm not letting a nice 26 game stretch this season from Lin get in the way of me thinking that he's anything close to the player Dragic is (factoring in too how much rest Lin is getting from all his injuries).
Lopez is a good player don't get me wrong, but Whiteside can anchor a top level defense. Lopez hasn't shown that.
You're also leaving out Waiters and James Johnson (who is criminally underrated, probably Miami's 3rd best player). I don't see those types of players on the Nets.
Good thing the draft and offseason haven't happened yet. Not sure what part of "next year" was confusing.
Kj McDaniel looking like he will have a spot in the rotation next year- defense slowly improving- and Lin obviously making a huge difference
Glass getting less empty
if you are looking for a contender, may want to pass on viewing.
It doesn't hurt that the Lakers are doing a tank job that makes Sam Hinkie jealous!
As a Nets fan, not much to look forward to over the next 2 years, but this team has shown a lot of resilience.