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Schwartz: One Giant D-lineman facing financial reality check

Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/24/2017 7:50 am
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The grass is only greener when it represents the color of money.

Even then, sometimes it is best served to stay where you are.

This is the perception versus reality debate defensive tackle Johnathan Hankins must be waging, as NFL free agency is more than two weeks old and he has not found a new team, nor has he returned to his old team. Limbo is no place to be when big bucks get thrown around and none of it is tossed your way. Eventually, that game of catch dries up...

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One Giant D-lineman facing financial reality check - ( New Window )
Does he sign a one year deal?  
Joey from GlenCove : 3/24/2017 7:55 am : link
How much will teams pay next year for a DT who isnt a pass rushing threat
It's very interesting how the market  
TyFromQueens : 3/24/2017 7:57 am : link
Dried up for him. Ironically,if it wasn't for Hankins getting injured in 2015,we aren't having this conversation.
Well  
Joey in VA : 3/24/2017 8:08 am : link
That proves what many here have thought, he's just not that impactful or overly talented. He's a pretty wide bodied guy but not a disruptor or a difference maker and certainly not an immovable nose tackle type. He's solid, nothing more and should be easily replaced if he wants a big payday.
RE: It's very interesting how the market  
jcn56 : 3/24/2017 8:08 am : link
In comment 13404655 TyFromQueens said:
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Dried up for him. Ironically,if it wasn't for Hankins getting injured in 2015,we aren't having this conversation.


I'm not so sure about that, I think it's his performance in 2016 with all the talent around him that's causing interest in him to wane.
I understand these players do and should try  
Beezer : 3/24/2017 8:13 am : link
to max out their income. The careers are short, they're tough, and it's a high-stakes game.

But in the article Schwartz refers to the Baltimore DT striking gold, getting $10 million a year. Meanwhile Hankings' re-done contract was 5 for $46m?

Honestly, $9.2 million and he still not signed?

Sorry. I just have no sympathy for someone looking at, and scoffing at that kind of payday.
Anyone know who his agent is?  
njm : 3/24/2017 8:31 am : link
Somebody, either Hankins or his agent, had some unrealistic expectations. At this point maybe 1 year for $7.5 mil might get this settled, at least temporarily. BTW, the article referred to him as an "above average" player.
7.5m?  
Carl in CT : 3/24/2017 8:35 am : link
I would say it's down to 5-6 now. The market has been set. I could even see it lower.
I would expect a one year deal may be less than  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/24/2017 8:41 am : link
The long term one. And he's got to weigh the signing bonus/guarantee amount vs what he may may get offered next year. If he got 4 years for 30 he better take it if he can get like 15 million guaranteed. NT is not a position of longevity except for very few people.



Per Spotrac,  
Pete in MD : 3/24/2017 8:44 am : link
his agent is Kevin Poston at DEAL Elite Athlete Management. From their (somewhat douchey) website, it looks like they only have five clients and one of those is a draft prospect.
The DEAL, LLC - ( New Window )
It sounds like he (and his agent) over valued himself  
ZogZerg : 3/24/2017 8:59 am : link
and teams passed on him and signed other players to fill their need. I don't see any team offering him big money now since he was passed over.

I don't see how a rotational gig in Miami is better than re-signing with the Giants.

And, I don't understand Schwartz suggesting the Giants up the offer. If anything, the offer is going the other way.

Hankins needs to get himself in better shape and focus on getting better this year so he can eventually get paid.
RE: Per Spotrac,  
UConn4523 : 3/24/2017 9:02 am : link
In comment 13404679 Pete in MD said:
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his agent is Kevin Poston at DEAL Elite Athlete Management. From their (somewhat douchey) website, it looks like they only have five clients and one of those is a draft prospect. The DEAL, LLC - ( New Window )


Haha, what a shitty website. Want to attract top talent, don't slap together a shit website. There's a reason you pay a premium for a good agent...
That Limerick Guy has a source  
The_Boss : 3/24/2017 9:05 am : link
Telling him there are 2 other teams in the mix and the NYG do not have the sweetest contract on the table. We shall see.
RE: That Limerick Guy has a source  
mfsd : 3/24/2017 9:08 am : link
In comment 13404703 The_Boss said:
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Telling him there are 2 other teams in the mix and the NYG do not have the sweetest contract on the table. We shall see.


And if there are other bidders, I doubt he gives us a hometown discount...he's probably a little raw we ponied up for Snacks and Vernon last year and JPP this year (as we should have) and are playing hardball with him
2 years ago  
annexOPR : 3/24/2017 9:16 am : link
he'd have hit it big in free agency. He has not flashed the pass rushing potential since ... that is what teams pay big money for - unless you are an immovable object like Snacks.

I know he's "our guy" and people are still psychologically damaged by the tragic losses of Cofield/Griffin/Joseph over the years [I really did love Griffin], but Hankins is nothing special - and the rest of the NFL agrees.

He's a good player. He would not be a huge loss on a line with JPP/Vernon/Snacks already here. He would not make a good defense great. He is not a "playmaker". He's good. I'd love him back, but his initial contract demands were a joke - which is why a good, young DT is still sitting there. It'll only get worse for him as the draft nears.
No offense to TLG, but I don't think that's the case  
jcn56 : 3/24/2017 9:17 am : link
We're rumored to have offered him $7M. If there's another team and they're willing to go to $8M, and Miami keeps calling him at $4M - what's the holdup? Does he think some other team coming out of the shadows to offer him more? Is he trying to get the Giants to move up a bit to match the higher offer?

Right now, if he had a better offer, I'm pretty sure he'd have jumped on it.
Can't blame him for maxing out the money  
AnnapolisMike : 3/24/2017 9:20 am : link
e probably would be well served taking the guaranteed money now and putting himself in position for another payday at 29 years old. A one year contract is risky. If he gets injured it could be all over.
Even if he has 3 offers  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/24/2017 9:20 am : link
Each is most likely different. Length And guaranteeed $$ if different make
It harder

He may have. A better one year offer for
Another team
It a better long term one from the Giants.

No an easy decision. And who knows if his agent or him really ha e a plan or an clue.




RE: Well  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/24/2017 9:21 am : link
In comment 13404663 Joey in VA said:
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That proves what many here have thought, he's just not that impactful or overly talented. He's a pretty wide bodied guy but not a disruptor or a difference maker and certainly not an immovable nose tackle type. He's solid, nothing more and should be easily replaced if he wants a big payday.


Joe aren't you more of an X and O's type guy? Correct me if I'm wrong, when Hankins switched from a 3 tech to the 1 tech his job is essentially to take on double teams and free up the rest of line? So you would expect his numbers to be down in that position compared to the other players around him?
If there were a $9M per offer on the table  
JonC : 3/24/2017 9:28 am : link
he'd be signed already. The $7M per rumor is probably in the ballpark.
Supposedly the Eagles were sniffing around earlier.  
robbieballs2003 : 3/24/2017 9:41 am : link
Maybe they are the other team.
JonC  
Big Rick in FL : 3/24/2017 9:43 am : link
I've heard the same. Also heard Miami is only offering a little over half of what we are.
...  
annexOPR : 3/24/2017 9:44 am : link
I still think the only real hold up in re-signing here is pride

if the giants really are offering that, I highly highly doubt he's getting significantly more anywhere else. the big money waves in free agency are all done.
Harrison is making about  
ryanmkeane : 3/24/2017 10:01 am : link
9M per year. No way in hell Giants are going to offer that to Hankins. I'd be shocked if a team gave him that much.
Take the guaranteed multi year contract  
spike : 3/24/2017 10:27 am : link
NFL careers are short
Potentially good news either way  
SLIM_ : 3/24/2017 12:02 pm : link
I'd like to see this defense stay together and it looks like we would be able to for at least a year. Kennard and Cassilas are free agents so they may go but front 4 and back 5 will be intact.

If he signs elsewhere and it is for somewhat big money, we get a comp pick as our big ticket signings were cuts.

He has a terrible agent  
RobCarpenter : 3/24/2017 12:26 pm : link
Kind of like that real estate agent that lists a house for $1 million when it's real value is closer to $500K.
If Miami has offered half  
HomerJones45 : 3/24/2017 12:32 pm : link
you have to question our evaluation of him.

I wonder if the union is going to start asking questions about the lack of free agent action and the seemingly growing number of one year deals.
Are we going to talk about  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/24/2017 12:57 pm : link
the fact that many around here wanted to tag this jackass and let JPP go?

The franchise number for DT is around $13 million.

Where did all those posters go? Strange indeed.
RE: Are we going to talk about  
David in LA : 3/24/2017 2:46 pm : link
In comment 13405189 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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the fact that many around here wanted to tag this jackass and let JPP go?

The franchise number for DT is around $13 million.

Where did all those posters go? Strange indeed.


People were so vocal about tagging him, and the only compelling reason was age. Backing up the Brinks truck for a guy that played one good year, and the others being so-so sounds like a great plan!
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