NFT: Mets vs. Astros- THORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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GREAT lineup.

Duda is batting 7th? Phew

Has he been productive?

Any changes to his swing and that big loop he had last year?

has looked great offensively. Throwing is still horrendous.

Nice, compact swing. If he stays healthy I think this is finally going to be the year we've been expecting from him offensively.

His work defensively is another story...

Draft tonight. Thinking about a late round flier on D'Arnaud if I don't end up with one of the top 2-3 guys.

It's a 1 catcher league, I think piecing together D'Arnaud with a currently injured Tom Murphy could be a really nice value play.

I'd rather have a bad defensive catcher who can hit than a bad defensive catcher who can't hit.

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Draft tonight. Thinking about a late round flier on D'Arnaud if I don't end up with one of the top 2-3 guys. It's a 1 catcher league, I think piecing together D'Arnaud with a currently injured Tom Murphy could be a really nice value play.

Mine is Sunday. At C I still like Zunino as a post-hype sleeper

Especially Thor, getting better at holding runners on. That will mitigate a little bit of d'Arnaud's throwing issues. If we have a hard time holding runners again, players are going to run wild on us.

Really hope we can get that under control this year. It became a big problem last year.

I think I was the last team to take one and I wound up with McCann.. which I'm not really too thrilled with.

d'Arnaud actually went undrafted and Zunino is available. Wondering if I should make a play for one of them. I feel like McCann is totally replaceable.. I'd rather have a guy with upside.

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I think I was the last team to take one and I wound up with McCann.. which I'm not really too thrilled with. d'Arnaud actually went undrafted and Zunino is available. Wondering if I should make a play for one of them. I feel like McCann is totally replaceable.. I'd rather have a guy with upside.

It's always a roll of the dice with those later catchers. I'm in a 2 catcher league (I already have Gary Sanchez) but there is something nice about having 2 decent catchers. TDA certainly has upside (injuries obviously a major red flag). Zunino is just a personal "buy low" sleeper for me. His line drive, hard hit ball numbers were excellent. I think he still has Gattis-like upside.

He's such a spark...I'm sure he'll ramp it up.

swap Duda and Bruce. I think there is a better chance Duda gets on ahead of Bruce vs. the alternative.

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Especially Thor, getting better at holding runners on. That will mitigate a little bit of d'Arnaud's throwing issues. If we have a hard time holding runners again, players are going to run wild on us. Really hope we can get that under control this year. It became a big problem last year.

Honestly (and I could be dead wrong on this) but I think his "slower time to the plate" issue was way overblown last season. I'm sure that is part of it but I believe the bigger issue was paying attention to people on base and having a catcher that couldn't throw out runners well (when TdA was catching). Then it was made a big story and EVERYONE started running on him, which is only going to spike the numbers and story. Massively increase the steal attempts on ANY pitcher and the numbers likely spike.

If he can manage to keep attention to the runners, then things should improve.

Or, you know, just strike everyone out.

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In comment 13404994 arcarsenal said: Quote: I think I was the last team to take one and I wound up with McCann.. which I'm not really too thrilled with. d'Arnaud actually went undrafted and Zunino is available. Wondering if I should make a play for one of them. I feel like McCann is totally replaceable.. I'd rather have a guy with upside. It's always a roll of the dice with those later catchers. I'm in a 2 catcher league (I already have Gary Sanchez) but there is something nice about having 2 decent catchers. TDA certainly has upside (injuries obviously a major red flag). Zunino is just a personal "buy low" sleeper for me. His line drive, hard hit ball numbers were excellent. I think he still has Gattis-like upside.

My league is very power heavy.. so guys who can pop a lot of HR's have a ton of value and K's are only -0.5 so even if they're high-whiff guys, a-la Chris Davis, it doesn't really kill their value.

That's why Zunino is kind of intriguing. Even if he doesn't hit for high average.. if he winds up near the top of the catcher crop in HR's, he'd be worth owning.

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In comment 13404985 arcarsenal said: Quote: Especially Thor, getting better at holding runners on. That will mitigate a little bit of d'Arnaud's throwing issues. If we have a hard time holding runners again, players are going to run wild on us. Really hope we can get that under control this year. It became a big problem last year. Honestly (and I could be dead wrong on this) but I think his "slower time to the plate" issue was way overblown last season. I'm sure that is part of it but I believe the bigger issue was paying attention to people on base and having a catcher that couldn't throw out runners well (when TdA was catching). Then it was made a big story and EVERYONE started running on him, which is only going to spike the numbers and story. Massively increase the steal attempts on ANY pitcher and the numbers likely spike. If he can manage to keep attention to the runners, then things should improve. Or, you know, just strike everyone out.

Yeah, I 100% think it's correctable. I think it's more technique than delivery. Just hoping it's something they worked on ironing out so we can limit that shit from happening again this year.

As much as people want to not believe that.

It's also something that rarely improves, except incrementally over time at best.

Having said that, I'll take a healthy Thor with problems holding runners on over almost any pitcher in all of baseball.

But having a poor throwing catcher shouldn't be discounted.

article on Bruce has opened my eyes to him. Anybody who is open to new ideas and suggestions esp with new data looks good in my book. Hopefully, he'll have a great offensive year.

was mostly Thor's personal catcher last year, and TDA only sparingly caught him, just my impression?

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was mostly Thor's personal catcher last year, and TDA only sparingly caught him, just my impression?

That was more of a byproduct of baserunners stealing off of Thor left and right.

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In comment 13405093 pjcas18 said: Quote: was mostly Thor's personal catcher last year, and TDA only sparingly caught him, just my impression? That was more of a byproduct of baserunners stealing off of Thor left and right.

we can all surmise that, but I was responding to Phi's comment about Thor and the SB's:

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article on Bruce has opened my eyes to him. Anybody who is open to new ideas and suggestions esp with new data looks good in my book. Hopefully, he'll have a great offensive year.

It's definitely a positive sign, but I think I mentioned the other day that it's more a product of him coming from the Reds than anything else.

this spring?

I thought that TdA caught for Thor more than he did but it was only 4 start. However, 12 out of his 48 basestealers came in those 4 games.

Again, not trying to imply that stolen bases are mostly a catcher issue. But I do hope that TdA can improve on that. But if he can hit his stride offensively, I can live with the defense.

He hits great almost every spring training and parts of April. Then like clockwork, something gets banged up and nicked. To which, his swing changes and he's not the same offensively.

I really like TDA and hoping this is the year he stays healthy and produces but not counting on it. If he plays more then 80 games, I'll be thrilled!

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Travis d'Arnaud is actually 0-for-12 throwing out base stealers this spring. He got credit for his only caught stealing on a Matz pickoff.

that's 1 area i'm still pretty surprised we haven't at least added a few bodies.

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that's 1 area i'm still pretty surprised we haven't at least added a few bodies.

They did not bring anybody in (even on a minor league deal). It's Rivera/Plawecki and then 27 year old minor leaguer Xorge Carrillo.

Do people know how much catching throws impact the average game?? According to BP's "Throwing Runs" metric the best catcher in baseball saved his team 2.6 runs in 2016. TWO POINT SIX OVER THE ENTIRE SEASON. That worth .016 runs a game, or in other words completely nothing.

Throwing out runners might be the biggest waste of a stat in sports history.

Now compare that to pitch framing which directly impacts thousands of calls, ect. per year.

It's ridiculous.

like Rene Rivera will be catching opening day.

reportedly looked "awful". Might not be ready for opening day either.

TDA having an interesting day.

Usually not good when you barely reach the mound when trying to throw a runner out. And your SS can't stop from laughing at your throw.

Then not even close on a pitch out...

are interpreting Thor's post game comments as a subtle jab at TDA.

The guy literally can't throw anyone out. I could steal a base on him.

TDA is an embarrassment back there

David Lennon ✔ @DPLennon
TC reiterated #Mets feelings on d�Arnaud. As long as he contributes at the plate, they�re not going to sweat him behind it.

Mike Puma ✔ @NYPost_Mets
Collins on d'Arnaud, who is hitting .325 this spring: "If he's driving in a ton of runs, you will ignore what the throwing is like."

Michael Mayer @themainemets
Rene Rivera was absolutely horrendous, cost Syndergaard strikes and raised his pitch count.

Michael Mayer @themainemets
The one thing that continues to confuse me about anti-pitch framing Mets fans.

You saw a prime example of it the reverse effect in WC game

Matt Ehalt @MattEhalt
Terry says its speeding up the throw for Travis. Said throws have velocity but just too slow.

when he caught Thor last year was. It really seemed to me the catchers had pretty much no chance.

It will be our 4 year old's first baseball game.

So psyched!

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when he caught Thor last year was. It really seemed to me the catchers had pretty much no chance.

Yeah and he was considered to have one of the best arms in the business. Thor fucking sucks at holding runners on. Oh well.

it seems they haven't worked on it at all given how today's game went. You think they would work on this glaring issue given the embarrassment of what happened last year. Every pitcher holds runners on. One step closer to first base is likely the difference between safe and out.

But...TdA is just embarrassingly bad at throwing out runners. Every one of his throws were awful. It's funny that TC mentioned velocity because while watching the replays I thought the throws looked slow.

And Z, I don't disagree that catchers throwing out runners probably isn't a big impact. However, that is during a normal game. If every game was like a Thor/TdA game, the impact would be much much greater. Teams run at will on the both of them.

To say it has been worked on a ton all offseason would be an understatement. It's not easily fixed, nor quickly. And will never be "fixed", just make it less painful.

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To say it has been worked on a ton all offseason would be an understatement. It's not easily fixed, nor quickly. And will never be "fixed", just make it less painful.

Fair enough. It's confusing to me why it's so hard for a career pitcher to hold runners on, but you'd know better than me.

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In comment 13406122 Shecky said: Quote: To say it has been worked on a ton all offseason would be an understatement. It's not easily fixed, nor quickly. And will never be "fixed", just make it less painful. Fair enough. It's confusing to me why it's so hard for a career pitcher to hold runners on, but you'd know better than me.

Because Thor is really REALLY bad at it. As in, "one of the worst ever" bad. So even if it improves this year, he will likely be the worst in baseball at it. But again, it's literally his only fault. I'd still take him over virtually any pitcher in the game.

I'd love to see it improve, but the reality is it's been exposed even worse due to the coverage of it towards the end of the year. So even if it improves, it will be tested more often. I'd rather he focus on the other more important things rather than let it become a distractiion when he is pitching with runners on base.

Is it a problem with throwing to first? He seemed to be fine with that from what I saw. An attention span thing? Whatever it is, I just hate seeing Thor give up a single and it automatically turns into a triple.

But you are right, if it can't be helped then just focus on other stuff.

is throwing better today. Threw a guy out (albeit on a pitchout) and had another throw that was right on but dropped by the infielder.

Interesting (and unfortunate) to hear about Thor Shecky. I guess it's like you said, Mets and Thor can just keep on working on it and hope to minimize the pain.

two more runners who were trying to steal. Up to 3 on the day now.

on the day now.

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Is it a problem with throwing to first? He seemed to be fine with that from what I saw. An attention span thing? Whatever it is, I just hate seeing Thor give up a single and it automatically turns into a triple. But you are right, if it can't be helped then just focus on other stuff.

He's just slow, I don't see that changing.

Bias is showing. Lol. TDA was above average throwing out runner's in 2015 (before his shoulder issues in 2016)

DeGrom hit 100 mph on the gun this morning.

followed by a Conforto blast to start the "B Mets" off against Dickey and the Braves in the first.

What is up with him? What did the doctors put in that elbow?

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What is up with him? What did the doctors put in that elbow?

Credits the offseason throwing program with Warthen. Been hitting 97-ish since his first spring training game. This is after showing up and barely hitting 90 mph last spring. Crazy.

The more I think he has indeed improved. Not thrilled with the walks but....

Yes, TdA was about middle of the pack (average) in throwing out runners in 2015. However, TdA was awful in 2016, 2014 and 2013. Bottom of the barrel if he were to be measured against qualified catchers. Maybe 2015 was the outlier?

I'm sure that Noah being slow the plate is going to be a built-in excuse for TdA's throwing woes, but you cannot escape the stats. And the stats say that he's bad. I hope he can improve and get some more zip on his throws.

As for Thor, I wouldn't change his windup to make it quicker. But I would have him throw over to first a thousand times so these runners aren't so comfortable.

If TDA hits and keeps up his excellent pitch framing I'm going to be thrilled. As I outlined above the best catcher in baseball in throwing out runners saved his team a whopping 2 runs over 162 games. The worst gave up -2 run. You can keep the 2-4 runs. It's such a useless stat.

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If TDA hits and keeps up his excellent pitch framing I'm going to be thrilled. As I outlined above the best catcher in baseball in throwing out runners saved his team a whopping 2 runs over 162 games. The worst gave up -2 run. You can keep the 2-4 runs. It's such a useless stat.

I agree is probably not the biggest deal. I just fear that it takes on a life of its own (like last year) where people just run at-will on TdA. And especially during Thor starts (not that he will be catching a lot - and that has more to do with Thor). Probably an overreaction but it is what it is.

I obviously would rather him be better at it than not.

are in the lineup today against Dickey lol. Sucks this guy is going to be in our division this year.

"starting hitters" lol

If Conforto stays in Vegas for roughly 43ish games the Mets gain another year of control. Boras will sure to be bringing it up in season.

Is that people run at will against TDA and it gets in his head. Because once something gets in his head, it's over...

only around 40 pitches.

Marc Carig ✔@MarcCarig
Left oblique strain for Juan Lagares.

Anthony DiComo ✔ @AnthonyDiComo
Juan Lagares, who just tripled and scored, is batting a cool .300 with two homers and that three-base hit in his last nine games. #Mets

Marc Carig ✔ @MarcCarig
Was interested to see if Rafael Montero would pound the strike zone even against big league hitters. He�s done that.

He's been hitting screaming line drives all spring.

First Nimmo. Now possibly Legares. Conforto desperately trying to keep his ML spot lol

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He's been hitting screaming line drives all spring. First Nimmo. Now possibly Legares. Conforto desperately trying to keep his ML spot lol

Those damn oblique injuries seem to last at least a couple of weeks. Ugh.

Not a lot of Ks but pounding the strikezone and getting a ton of weak contact.

will make the team now thanks to Lagares injury

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will make the team now thanks to Lagares injury

Yeah, he has to unless Nimmo or Lagares magically make it back in time. No other option.

most likely will miss at least a month.

But I think Legares was more "precautionary" than an "oh shit". But then again, how often does day-to-day turn into a month for the Mets?

Montero might be a lock for the long man spot at this point. 1.96 ERA this spring. Sewald likely goes to Vegas.

What is up with the Familia suspension? WBC is no longer an excuse.

Harvey stays in extended or heads north with the team. Guess his next start will be telling. If he goes north Lugo goes to Vegas I presume.

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Montero might be a lock for the long man spot at this point. 1.96 ERA this spring. Sewald likely goes to Vegas. What is up with the Familia suspension? WBC is no longer an excuse.

Can't announce it IMMEDIATELY after. That would make it look like MLB waited till after the Classic to announce it lol

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Montero might be a lock for the long man spot at this point. 1.96 ERA this spring. Sewald likely goes to Vegas. What is up with the Familia suspension? WBC is no longer an excuse.

We can always drop Gilmartin from the 40 man if we don't want to immediately put Wright on the 60 day DL for roster flexibility purposes. Besides Sewald, is there anybody else that is not already on the 40 man who really must be kept? Even Ty Kelly or Phillip Evans duplicate what T.J. Rivera provides and Rivera is already on the 40 man

In comment 13406352 Mike in NY said:

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In comment 13406348 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Montero might be a lock for the long man spot at this point. 1.96 ERA this spring. Sewald likely goes to Vegas. What is up with the Familia suspension? WBC is no longer an excuse. We can always drop Gilmartin from the 40 man if we don't want to immediately put Wright on the 60 day DL for roster flexibility purposes. Besides Sewald, is there anybody else that is not already on the 40 man who really must be kept? Even Ty Kelly or Phillip Evans duplicate what T.J. Rivera provides and Rivera is already on the 40 man

I dont think Sandy wants to max out every possible 40 man spot. Sure, Goeddel and Gilmartin can be removed but there isn't a lot of room past them. Sure I think Sewald could be added but if it's close I think the tie obviously goes to the man with the 40 man spot and Montero is having a pretty good spring. I do think Ty Kelly is added. TJ Rivera and Flores look like the backup middle infielders until Wright comes back (Reynolds already sent to minor league camp). Lagares and Ty Kelly looked like the backup OF. If Lagares is down long term than Conforto replaces Lagares. Ty Kelly still makes the team.

In comment 13406350 Shecky said:

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In comment 13406348 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Montero might be a lock for the long man spot at this point. 1.96 ERA this spring. Sewald likely goes to Vegas. What is up with the Familia suspension? WBC is no longer an excuse. Can't announce it IMMEDIATELY after. That would make it look like MLB waited till after the Classic to announce it lol

LOL. What a bunch of bullshit.

topped off at 87 this spring, he can be removed as well

Every single one of them. Reyes, Duda, Walker, Cabrera (yes he does have an option), Granderson, and Bruce.

There might be some major turnover next year. Guys like Nimmo, Conforto, Cecchini, Rosario, Smith, and I'd even say TJ Rivera need to be getting plenty of consistent at-bats in preparation of getting their numbers called in the not so distant future.

He's going to be out a while IMO.

Marc Carig ✔ @MarcCarig
Lagares missed 22 games in 2014 with an intercostal strain. He says this oblique injury suffered today doesn�t feel as bad.

IMO. If Familia doesn't get suspended I'd actually think Smoker might once again have a hard time making the team due to options.

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Marc Carig ✔ @MarcCarig Lagares missed 22 games in 2014 with an intercostal strain. He says this oblique injury suffered today doesn�t feel as bad.

Lol cmon. He said "as bad" aka not as bad as the previous injury.

Michael Mayer @themainemets
Rafael Montero has certainly been a pleasant surprise this spring:

18.1 IP, 14 H, 4 ER (1.96 ERA), 8 BB/21 K

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In comment 13406369 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Marc Carig ✔ @MarcCarig Lagares missed 22 games in 2014 with an intercostal strain. He says this oblique injury suffered today doesn�t feel as bad. Lol cmon. He said "as bad" aka not as bad as the previous injury.

He saying it doesnt feel as bad as a time he injured it that was already lower than the 30 games you predicted. Im not going to speculate on "how bad" or what the heck he talking about lol. We have no idea at this point.

I'd feel bad for the guy. He's waited a long time and pushed through a lot of obstacles to play in the majors. Plus I'd like to see him in action.

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I'd feel bad for the guy. He's waited a long time and pushed through a lot of obstacles to play in the majors. Plus I'd like to see him in action.

The upside of Smoker is so much higher than a guy like Edgin but Edgin is pitching well now and is seemingly a decent backup LOOGY. Doubt the Mets discard him so he's holding the cards right now. The Familia suspension is holding everything up. Ive seen speculation he might not even get suspended at all or that its at least less than 30. We'll see! Smoker still has a shot though.

Smoker makes it.

miss 30 games. Nice try though. Oblique is generally a 3-6 week injury. It's March 25th, if he missed a month he'd miss about 20 games.

Anderson and now Ramirez. Wish the Mets would do this more often

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Indians, Jose Ramirez, pending physical, agree to 4-year $26 million extension. Deal includes club options for 2022 and 2023.

but there arent enough spots. Sewald has almost no shot now IMO.

No Familia Suspension...

Familia
Reed
Salas
Blevins
Robles
Edgin

One of Montero, Smoker, or Lugo for last spot

Famila suspension...

Reed
Salas
Blevins
Robles
Edgin

Two of Smoker, Lugo, Montero, possibly Sewald (since a 40 man spot is open for Familia)

Understood and agree. But the Indians need to strike proactively in an attempt to regulate team finances long term. IF the Mets continue the trend of increasing payroll and behaving like the money machine big market franchise they are it's not as big deal for us. IF.

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miss 30 games. Nice try though. Oblique is generally a 3-6 week injury. It's March 25th, if he missed a month he'd miss about 20 games.

OH JFC. Excuse me 30 DAYS which is still more than how long he was out last time that he is saying he feels better than. lol. You will nitpick anything. How are any of us supposed to know what Lagares meant by that? I just speculated that maybe it wasn't "that bad". Are we going to argue what Lagares's, yours, and my definition of "that bad" is now?

Anthony DiComo ✔ @AnthonyDiComo
"I think I�m going to be ready," Lagares said in reference to the regular season. "There�s not a lot" of discomfort in his oblique. #Mets

Marc Carig ✔ @MarcCarig
TC on Lagares: �I�m concerned. Those things can be one of those injuries that don�t go away for awhile. I�m very concerned."

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In comment 13406394 DanMetroMan said: Quote: miss 30 games. Nice try though. Oblique is generally a 3-6 week injury. It's March 25th, if he missed a month he'd miss about 20 games. OH JFC. Excuse me 30 DAYS which is still more than how long he was out last time that he is saying he feels better than. lol. You will nitpick anything. How are any of us supposed to know what Lagares meant by that? I just speculated that maybe it wasn't "that bad". Are we going to argue what Lagares's, yours, and my definition of "that bad" is now?

Guy YOU were wrong. Just admit it. He said "as bad" not "that bad". He was referencing the previous injury. Just admit you read it wrong and move on. "That bad" and "as bad" are not the same thing and you know it. Has NOTHING to do with knowing what Lagares meant. He was referencing another injury. If I broke my toe and later stubbed it and said "it's not AS bad" as the previous injury it doesn't tell me it's not "that" bad.

Marc Carig ✔@MarcCarig
Conforto gonna be seeing more reps in CF.

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but there arent enough spots. Sewald has almost no shot now IMO. No Familia Suspension... Familia Reed Salas Blevins Robles Edgin One of Montero, Smoker, or Lugo for last spot Famila suspension... Reed Salas Blevins Robles Edgin Two of Smoker, Lugo, Montero, possibly Sewald (since a 40 man spot is open for Familia)

If Lugo makes the rotation that would open up a spot for Smoker

are one of the slowest healing muscle injuries. Remember when people were raving about how quickly Nimmo would return from the hammy? Now he's "not close" per TC.

is not making the rotation. Near 0% chance. Gsellman locked it up.

Robert Gsellman leads all @Mets starters in ERA (1.56), IP (17.1), OPS
(.581), and 2nd in WHIP behind deGrom (1.10). #Mets

In comment 13406408 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13406403 ZGiants98 said: Quote: In comment 13406394 DanMetroMan said: Quote: miss 30 games. Nice try though. Oblique is generally a 3-6 week injury. It's March 25th, if he missed a month he'd miss about 20 games. OH JFC. Excuse me 30 DAYS which is still more than how long he was out last time that he is saying he feels better than. lol. You will nitpick anything. How are any of us supposed to know what Lagares meant by that? I just speculated that maybe it wasn't "that bad". Are we going to argue what Lagares's, yours, and my definition of "that bad" is now? Guy YOU were wrong. Just admit it. He said "as bad" not "that bad". He was referencing the previous injury. Just admit you read it wrong and move on. "That bad" and "as bad" are not the same thing and you know it. Has NOTHING to do with knowing what Lagares meant. He was referencing another injury. If I broke my toe and later stubbed it and said "it's not AS bad" as the previous injury it doesn't tell me it's not "that" bad.

He was referencing a minor injury that he came back quickly from and was saying it wasn't even as bad as that. So I said "that bad". I cant believe we are having this discussion. lol. All good man but I'm bowing way out of this one. I apologize for coming off confusing.

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is not making the rotation. Near 0% chance. Gsellman locked it up.

Harvey and Wheeler in extended spring training until they are healthy and go with Thor-JdG-Gsellman-Matz-Lugo

or has that been ruled out?

don't even see the rationale for Lugo in the pen except now that Salas doesn't look ready they may have to consider it. TC already noted AAA/AA SP depth is very thin right now (thus Adam Wilk being out of the running for the pen). They need to maintain some SP depth until the Harvey/Wheeler stuff is figured out.

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or has that been ruled out?

Collins shut that down. He said "Matt Harvey is in our rotation". Obviously Collins could change his mind but he seemed almost defiant when asked.

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In comment 13406415 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is not making the rotation. Near 0% chance. Gsellman locked it up. Harvey and Wheeler in extended spring training until they are healthy and go with Thor-JdG-Gsellman-Matz-Lugo

As noted, Collins said Harvey is in the rotation. No extended for him.

...expect to see Harvey up for the simple reason he's a major draw. They'll rationalize he can work out the 'kinks' in Flushing especially if his velocity is touching 94-95. It's the wrong move but I think it's going to fall out this way.

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Terry raved on Gsellman. Said WBC not a big factor in race for 5th. Nimmo isnt close. Harvey is in rotation.

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In comment 13406422 ZGiants98 said: Quote: or has that been ruled out? Collins shut that down. He said "Matt Harvey is in our rotation". Obviously Collins could change his mind but he seemed almost defiant when asked.

Ok I missed that then thanks. Still think the Harvey situation is shaky. If he gets bombed this week and is throwing 92 again they might need to reconsider that.

I think Lugo is still in the running for a pen spot (not that I want him there) but we'll see. If the Mets were dead set on sending him to Vegas for depth they could make the move now as they have done with Reynolds, Rowen, and others.

There you go. Wrong decision.

Sorry that was so big.

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add montero would be 8 deep

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Awesome, Z!!

Exciting year.

This spring has quieted almost all concerns we had coming in. So many players had huge springs coming off injuries. Nimmo and Lagares's injuries sting a little but they'll be back soon. Harvey is a little behind but I think he'll round into shape eventually and to be honest, we don't really need him anymore.

The Mets are loaded across the board. We've waited a long time for this.

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This spring has quieted almost all concerns we had coming in. So many players had huge springs coming off injuries. Nimmo and Lagares's injuries sting a little but they'll be back soon. Harvey is a little behind but I think he'll round into shape eventually and to be honest, we don't really need him anymore. The Mets are loaded across the board. We've waited a long time for this.

Let's hope that they stay healthy!!

I'm glad they have depth on the bench and some in AAA. Especially in early spring when cooler weather​causes injury.