and two very legitimate DEs. It was the best, healthiest defense he might ever play on and precisely the ideal situation for him to break out.
I'm not saying the book is closed on his development. He's too young for that. But he absolutely had the opportunity to this past season. I don't think he showed anything that we didn't already know. He's a load against the run, and just okay as pass rusher. Which is kind of what he projected to be when he was a draftee.
'He's a load against the run, and just okay as pass rusher'...
Agreed. Which is why he's miscast as a 3T in our scheme. I won't blame Hank if he leaves the Giants for a nose slot in a 3-4 or even the 1T in a defense similar to ours. that's where he can put his abilities on display to their maximum in order to optimize his value for future contracts imo.
has anything to do with drafting a QB in round #1. Likewise I doubt that trying to win a SB with Eli "now" has anything to do with the Giants not drafting a QB in the 1st round. They are mutually independent.
Signing Hankins would have more to do with not drafting a DT in round 1 or 2, unless he only signs 1 year an then you might see a DT drafted early as his replacement for next year.
As for QB, the Giants don't stop playing in the NFL when Eli hangs them up. If a QB they rate extremely high is there at #23 (above all other remaining players) they will take him, because Eli is one missed block away from retirement.
That said, Kizer and maybe Watson (who the ef is Trubisky?) are the only two I'd consider in the 1st. But in reality, there is no 1st round worthy QB in this draft.
RE: Would the Giants want to sign Hankins for only a year?
Hankins is not a JAG - he's a very good and very reliable player who has many stand out moments to back it up.
He may not be Snacks - but Snacks has proven that he's one of the best players in the league. No - Hankins is not Snacks but he's much better than average and he also still has some upside. The Giants are definitely better with him on the team than not.
The only issue here is really: what is a fair price?
I am sure the Giants placed a more than fair value on him - and the problem is Hankins wants to be paid more than Snacks. The Postons are notorious for over-reaching so they are probably bolstering a contentiousness bargaining climate.
In my view what is happening is that other teams are not really meeting the Giants commitment value to him - and even trying to nibble away at it.
My hope is that Hankins starts seeing that his bread is buttered better with the Giants than holding out hope for anyone waiving a huge contract.
Hankins is with more to the Giants than other teams. He knows the defense and is a known quantity to the Giants. On top of that he is young and healthy. The bottom line is we were the only team that could stop Dallas rushing attack. Can we plug another player in his spot and have the same results? Maybe. Or maybe not. That is vital to winning the division. With our cap room there should be no reason we get out bid by another team (unless it's rediculous offer).
Hankins is not a JAG - he's a very good and very reliable player who has many stand out moments to back it up.
He may not be Snacks - but Snacks has proven that he's one of the best players in the league. No - Hankins is not Snacks but he's much better than average and he also still has some upside. The Giants are definitely better with him on the team than not.
The only issue here is really: what is a fair price?
I am sure the Giants placed a more than fair value on him - and the problem is Hankins wants to be paid more than Snacks. The Postons are notorious for over-reaching so they are probably bolstering a contentiousness bargaining climate.
In my view what is happening is that other teams are not really meeting the Giants commitment value to him - and even trying to nibble away at it.
My hope is that Hankins starts seeing that his bread is buttered better with the Giants than holding out hope for anyone waiving a huge contract.
The Postons are his Agents? NOW it all makes sense
"Hankins, on the other hand, remains unsigned because, reportedly, his agent Kevin Poston (who has been known to make outlandish demands before and cause all kinds of free agency havoc) is apparently insisting Hankins wants a multi-year deal that pays him top-of-the-market money. If these demands are still being made, they they are delusional..."
Leary jumped ship and Free retired. So that will hurt them. Lael Collins is there but hasn't been a world beater to date. Their most important unit is set to take a step back albeit not a huge one.
but their real hit was on D - they lost their entire secondary! Carr, Claiborne, Wilcox and Barry Church all gone. And their starting NT McClain who played very well for them. And DE Crawford a rotational piece.
This on top of the Gregory suspension and the bad news on Jaylon Smith. Their D took a massive hit and Church was their leader.
but their real hit was on D - they lost their entire secondary! Carr, Claiborne, Wilcox and Barry Church all gone. And their starting NT McClain who played very well for them. And DE Crawford a rotational piece.
This on top of the Gregory suspension and the bad news on Jaylon Smith. Their D took a massive hit and Church was their leader.
That DC in Arlington always finds a way... They should have sucked ever since they lost Ware on Defense but it hasn't been the case, maybe 'tis the year.
but their real hit was on D - they lost their entire secondary! Carr, Claiborne, Wilcox and Barry Church all gone. And their starting NT McClain who played very well for them. And DE Crawford a rotational piece.
This on top of the Gregory suspension and the bad news on Jaylon Smith. Their D took a massive hit and Church was their leader.
That DC in Arlington always finds a way... They should have sucked ever since they lost Ware on Defense but it hasn't been the case, maybe 'tis the year.
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Mike Jones (@MikeJonesWaPo)
3/24/17, 12:20 PM
Was told most around the league view Hankins mostly as a two-down player and he wants more right now than teams are willing to pay.
Wow, that is quite an "insight" by that Jones. No shit Sherlock.
Kratch is a house organ. Take a guess as to where that "information" is coming from.
At some point you run the risk of a team moving in a different direction which hurts your bargaining position.
My guess is he is having a difficult time building up the courage to swallow a pill not to his liking. I do not think he is getting good advice from his agent either.
At some point you run the risk of a team moving in a different direction which hurts your bargaining position.
My guess is he is having a difficult time building up the courage to swallow a pill not to his liking. I do not think he is getting good advice from his agent either.
If he signs here, I can see a 4 year, 35 mil contract with 15-20 guaranteed. Guessing of course, but if he has to "settle" for around 7 a year, I would hope he could force himself to swallow a pill..
3 weeks until the draft, I can't imagine his value will go up post-draft even with injuries (and camp doesn't even start until the end of July). So strange.
Which similar players? There doesn't seem to be very many.
My guess is players like Brandon Williams (5 years, $52 million) and Nick Fairley (4 years, $28 million). That's if Hankins is looking for a multi-year deal.
Which similar players? There doesn't seem to be very many.
My guess is players like Brandon Williams (5 years, $52 million) and Nick Fairley (4 years, $28 million). That's if Hankins is looking for a multi-year deal.
Yep, and Poe, they were all part of the pool, how similar they are is debatable.
3 weeks until the draft, I can't imagine his value will go up post-draft even with injuries (and camp doesn't even start until the end of July). So strange.
And it certainly doesn't help that he's not down at Duke practicing with Eli!
I'm not saying the book is closed on his development. He's too young for that. But he absolutely had the opportunity to this past season. I don't think he showed anything that we didn't already know. He's a load against the run, and just okay as pass rusher. Which is kind of what he projected to be when he was a draftee.
They may not want him to be a 3T.
Signing Hankins would have more to do with not drafting a DT in round 1 or 2, unless he only signs 1 year an then you might see a DT drafted early as his replacement for next year.
As for QB, the Giants don't stop playing in the NFL when Eli hangs them up. If a QB they rate extremely high is there at #23 (above all other remaining players) they will take him, because Eli is one missed block away from retirement.
That said, Kizer and maybe Watson (who the ef is Trubisky?) are the only two I'd consider in the 1st. But in reality, there is no 1st round worthy QB in this draft.
By breakout year I just mean that he stays healthy, he has six or seven sacks, and he regularly applies pressure up the middle when the QB drops back.
Don't want another Bennett where Hankins learns how to play a two dimensional game with us and then just thanks us and says goodbye.
IMO the Only way they sign him for a year if it's dirt cheap. Not much else
Out there so why waste cap space for this or next year
He may not be Snacks - but Snacks has proven that he's one of the best players in the league. No - Hankins is not Snacks but he's much better than average and he also still has some upside. The Giants are definitely better with him on the team than not.
The only issue here is really: what is a fair price?
I am sure the Giants placed a more than fair value on him - and the problem is Hankins wants to be paid more than Snacks. The Postons are notorious for over-reaching so they are probably bolstering a contentiousness bargaining climate.
In my view what is happening is that other teams are not really meeting the Giants commitment value to him - and even trying to nibble away at it.
My hope is that Hankins starts seeing that his bread is buttered better with the Giants than holding out hope for anyone waiving a huge contract.
He may not be Snacks - but Snacks has proven that he's one of the best players in the league. No - Hankins is not Snacks but he's much better than average and he also still has some upside. The Giants are definitely better with him on the team than not.
The only issue here is really: what is a fair price?
I am sure the Giants placed a more than fair value on him - and the problem is Hankins wants to be paid more than Snacks. The Postons are notorious for over-reaching so they are probably bolstering a contentiousness bargaining climate.
In my view what is happening is that other teams are not really meeting the Giants commitment value to him - and even trying to nibble away at it.
My hope is that Hankins starts seeing that his bread is buttered better with the Giants than holding out hope for anyone waiving a huge contract.
The Postons are his Agents? NOW it all makes sense
"Hankins, on the other hand, remains unsigned because, reportedly, his agent Kevin Poston (who has been known to make outlandish demands before and cause all kinds of free agency havoc) is apparently insisting Hankins wants a multi-year deal that pays him top-of-the-market money. If these demands are still being made, they they are delusional..."
The Postons are his Agents? NOW it all makes sense
You don't say.
This on top of the Gregory suspension and the bad news on Jaylon Smith. Their D took a massive hit and Church was their leader.
This on top of the Gregory suspension and the bad news on Jaylon Smith. Their D took a massive hit and Church was their leader.
That DC in Arlington always finds a way... They should have sucked ever since they lost Ware on Defense but it hasn't been the case, maybe 'tis the year.
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but their real hit was on D - they lost their entire secondary! Carr, Claiborne, Wilcox and Barry Church all gone. And their starting NT McClain who played very well for them. And DE Crawford a rotational piece.
This on top of the Gregory suspension and the bad news on Jaylon Smith. Their D took a massive hit and Church was their leader.
That DC in Arlington always finds a way... They should have sucked ever since they lost Ware on Defense but it hasn't been the case, maybe 'tis the year.
Agreed. Marinelli is special
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Mike Jones (@MikeJonesWaPo)
3/24/17, 12:20 PM
Was told most around the league view Hankins mostly as a two-down player and he wants more right now than teams are willing to pay.
Kratch is a house organ. Take a guess as to where that "information" is coming from.
Bruce, do you have that much confidence in Slade?
My guess is he is having a difficult time building up the courage to swallow a pill not to his liking. I do not think he is getting good advice from his agent either.
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today's the day! 😜😜
Bruce, do you have that much confidence in Slade?
Of course not..
My guess is he is having a difficult time building up the courage to swallow a pill not to his liking. I do not think he is getting good advice from his agent either.
If he signs here, I can see a 4 year, 35 mil contract with 15-20 guaranteed. Guessing of course, but if he has to "settle" for around 7 a year, I would hope he could force himself to swallow a pill..
[quote] a QB to ride the bench for three years. Doesnt make sense. [/quote
Unless that QB turns into a great player. Then it's the single best draft pick since Eli.
Here's my offer... - ( New Window )
He never said which Monday.
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Oh wait, it's all fluid..😎
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You've fallen into the slade trap..jmo lol
He never said which Monday.
This is true..😜
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You've fallen into the slade trap..jmo lol
He never said which Monday.
This is true..😜
Rainy Days and Mondays
So you're saying its coming?
My guess is players like Brandon Williams (5 years, $52 million) and Nick Fairley (4 years, $28 million). That's if Hankins is looking for a multi-year deal.
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Which similar players? There doesn't seem to be very many.
My guess is players like Brandon Williams (5 years, $52 million) and Nick Fairley (4 years, $28 million). That's if Hankins is looking for a multi-year deal.
Yep, and Poe, they were all part of the pool, how similar they are is debatable.
And it certainly doesn't help that he's not down at Duke practicing with Eli!