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slade: He will be signed by Monday

Big Blue '56 : 3/24/2017 6:50 pm
For those who believe

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He will be signed by
Slade : 6:33 pm : link : reply
Monday.

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But he was healthy this year, and surrounded by an all pro DT  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/26/2017 1:24 am : link
and two very legitimate DEs. It was the best, healthiest defense he might ever play on and precisely the ideal situation for him to break out.

I'm not saying the book is closed on his development. He's too young for that. But he absolutely had the opportunity to this past season. I don't think he showed anything that we didn't already know. He's a load against the run, and just okay as pass rusher. Which is kind of what he projected to be when he was a draftee.
'He's a load against the run, and just okay as pass rusher'...  
Torrag : 3/26/2017 1:33 am : link
Agreed. Which is why he's miscast as a 3T in our scheme. I won't blame Hank if he leaves the Giants for a nose slot in a 3-4 or even the 1T in a defense similar to ours. that's where he can put his abilities on display to their maximum in order to optimize his value for future contracts imo.
The fact that they want Hankins  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/26/2017 6:58 am : link
suggests that they are content with having 2 big bodies in the middle.

They may not want him to be a 3T.
I doubt that re-signing Hankins  
section125 : 3/26/2017 7:40 am : link
has anything to do with drafting a QB in round #1. Likewise I doubt that trying to win a SB with Eli "now" has anything to do with the Giants not drafting a QB in the 1st round. They are mutually independent.

Signing Hankins would have more to do with not drafting a DT in round 1 or 2, unless he only signs 1 year an then you might see a DT drafted early as his replacement for next year.

As for QB, the Giants don't stop playing in the NFL when Eli hangs them up. If a QB they rate extremely high is there at #23 (above all other remaining players) they will take him, because Eli is one missed block away from retirement.

That said, Kizer and maybe Watson (who the ef is Trubisky?) are the only two I'd consider in the 1st. But in reality, there is no 1st round worthy QB in this draft.
RE: Would the Giants want to sign Hankins for only a year?  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/26/2017 9:35 am : link
In comment 13405824 SB 42 and 46 and ? said:
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If he has a breakout year then his price goes up and we probably lose him to free agency next year.

By breakout year I just mean that he stays healthy, he has six or seven sacks, and he regularly applies pressure up the middle when the QB drops back.

Don't want another Bennett where Hankins learns how to play a two dimensional game with us and then just thanks us and says goodbye.


IMO the Only way they sign him for a year if it's dirt cheap. Not much else
Out there so why waste cap space for this or next year
Draft  
XBRONX : 3/26/2017 9:40 am : link
a QB to ride the bench for three years. Doesnt make sense.
I don't get a lot of the above frankly  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/26/2017 10:05 am : link
Hankins is not a JAG - he's a very good and very reliable player who has many stand out moments to back it up.

He may not be Snacks - but Snacks has proven that he's one of the best players in the league. No - Hankins is not Snacks but he's much better than average and he also still has some upside. The Giants are definitely better with him on the team than not.

The only issue here is really: what is a fair price?

I am sure the Giants placed a more than fair value on him - and the problem is Hankins wants to be paid more than Snacks. The Postons are notorious for over-reaching so they are probably bolstering a contentiousness bargaining climate.

In my view what is happening is that other teams are not really meeting the Giants commitment value to him - and even trying to nibble away at it.

My hope is that Hankins starts seeing that his bread is buttered better with the Giants than holding out hope for anyone waiving a huge contract.

Agree is with Gidefor...  
Jolly Blue Giant : 3/26/2017 10:19 am : link
Hankins is with more to the Giants than other teams. He knows the defense and is a known quantity to the Giants. On top of that he is young and healthy. The bottom line is we were the only team that could stop Dallas rushing attack. Can we plug another player in his spot and have the same results? Maybe. Or maybe not. That is vital to winning the division. With our cap room there should be no reason we get out bid by another team (unless it's rediculous offer).
RE: I don't get a lot of the above frankly  
Big Blue '56 : 3/26/2017 10:21 am : link
In comment 13406983 gidiefor said:
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Hankins is not a JAG - he's a very good and very reliable player who has many stand out moments to back it up.

He may not be Snacks - but Snacks has proven that he's one of the best players in the league. No - Hankins is not Snacks but he's much better than average and he also still has some upside. The Giants are definitely better with him on the team than not.

The only issue here is really: what is a fair price?

I am sure the Giants placed a more than fair value on him - and the problem is Hankins wants to be paid more than Snacks. The Postons are notorious for over-reaching so they are probably bolstering a contentiousness bargaining climate.

In my view what is happening is that other teams are not really meeting the Giants commitment value to him - and even trying to nibble away at it.

My hope is that Hankins starts seeing that his bread is buttered better with the Giants than holding out hope for anyone waiving a huge contract.


The Postons are his Agents? NOW it all makes sense
Per Kratch as posted by Dawg:  
Big Blue '56 : 3/26/2017 10:25 am : link
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"Hankins, on the other hand, remains unsigned because, reportedly, his agent Kevin Poston (who has been known to make outlandish demands before and cause all kinds of free agency havoc) is apparently insisting Hankins wants a multi-year deal that pays him top-of-the-market money. If these demands are still being made, they they are delusional..."

RE:  
Klaatu : 3/26/2017 10:26 am : link
In comment 13406991 Big Blue '56 said:
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The Postons are his Agents? NOW it all makes sense




You don't say.
It should be noted Dallas has lost two starters on the O-Line  
Torrag : 3/26/2017 10:35 am : link
Leary jumped ship and Free retired. So that will hurt them. Lael Collins is there but hasn't been a world beater to date. Their most important unit is set to take a step back albeit not a huge one.
agreed re: DAL OL  
area junc : 3/26/2017 10:52 am : link
but their real hit was on D - they lost their entire secondary! Carr, Claiborne, Wilcox and Barry Church all gone. And their starting NT McClain who played very well for them. And DE Crawford a rotational piece.

This on top of the Gregory suspension and the bad news on Jaylon Smith. Their D took a massive hit and Church was their leader.
RE: agreed re: DAL OL  
est1986 : 3/26/2017 12:30 pm : link
In comment 13407016 area junc said:
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but their real hit was on D - they lost their entire secondary! Carr, Claiborne, Wilcox and Barry Church all gone. And their starting NT McClain who played very well for them. And DE Crawford a rotational piece.

This on top of the Gregory suspension and the bad news on Jaylon Smith. Their D took a massive hit and Church was their leader.


That DC in Arlington always finds a way... They should have sucked ever since they lost Ware on Defense but it hasn't been the case, maybe 'tis the year.
RE: RE: agreed re: DAL OL  
Big Blue '56 : 3/26/2017 12:33 pm : link
In comment 13407070 est1986 said:
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In comment 13407016 area junc said:


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but their real hit was on D - they lost their entire secondary! Carr, Claiborne, Wilcox and Barry Church all gone. And their starting NT McClain who played very well for them. And DE Crawford a rotational piece.

This on top of the Gregory suspension and the bad news on Jaylon Smith. Their D took a massive hit and Church was their leader.



That DC in Arlington always finds a way... They should have sucked ever since they lost Ware on Defense but it hasn't been the case, maybe 'tis the year.


Agreed. Marinelli is special
LOL his agent being one of the Poston bros  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/26/2017 12:56 pm : link
Actually does explain everything. I thought they were long gone.
RE: Per Dawg thread  
HomerJones45 : 3/26/2017 12:58 pm : link
In comment 13406126 Big Blue '56 said:
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Mike Jones (@MikeJonesWaPo)
3/24/17, 12:20 PM
Was told most around the league view Hankins mostly as a two-down player and he wants more right now than teams are willing to pay.
Wow, that is quite an "insight" by that Jones. No shit Sherlock.

Kratch is a house organ. Take a guess as to where that "information" is coming from.
Well,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/27/2017 8:18 am : link
today's the day! 😜😜
Come back home, Johnathan Hankins.  
Ira : 3/27/2017 8:23 am : link
You know you want to.
RE: Well,  
mrvax : 3/27/2017 8:29 am : link
In comment 13407541 Big Blue '56 said:
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today's the day! 😜😜


Bruce, do you have that much confidence in Slade?
with whom is the big question  
AnnapolisMike : 3/27/2017 8:38 am : link
At some point you run the risk of a team moving in a different direction which hurts your bargaining position.

My guess is he is having a difficult time building up the courage to swallow a pill not to his liking. I do not think he is getting good advice from his agent either.
RE: RE: Well,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/27/2017 8:59 am : link
In comment 13407548 mrvax said:
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In comment 13407541 Big Blue '56 said:


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today's the day! 😜😜



Bruce, do you have that much confidence in Slade?


Of course not..
RE: with whom is the big question  
Big Blue '56 : 3/27/2017 9:03 am : link
In comment 13407554 AnnapolisMike said:
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At some point you run the risk of a team moving in a different direction which hurts your bargaining position.

My guess is he is having a difficult time building up the courage to swallow a pill not to his liking. I do not think he is getting good advice from his agent either.


If he signs here, I can see a 4 year, 35 mil contract with 15-20 guaranteed. Guessing of course, but if he has to "settle" for around 7 a year, I would hope he could force himself to swallow a pill..
$7M x 4 $28M total  
mrvax : 3/27/2017 9:13 am : link
with 12 guaranteed is more than fair, IMO. That would be my final offer. I'd go get his replacement this week also.
I think the Giants might wait until after the draft to sign Hank's  
yatqb : 3/27/2017 9:32 am : link
replacement if he doesn't sign with us before that. If they loved Odrick they'd have told Poston to shove it by now.
Slade if you are right on this!!!!  
est1986 : 3/27/2017 9:50 am : link
It's not even Tuesday,  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 3/27/2017 9:54 am : link
Since when does big news come on Monday? lol
RE: Draft  
djm : 3/27/2017 10:13 am : link
In comment 13406964 XBRONX said:
[quote] a QB to ride the bench for three years. Doesnt make sense. [/quote

Unless that QB turns into a great player. Then it's the single best draft pick since Eli.
I have word Anthony Davis just arrived at Newark Airport...  
adamg : 3/27/2017 7:07 pm : link
Day ain't over yet  
Patrick77 : 3/27/2017 7:11 pm : link
But if he doesn't sign today it would appear Slade is regressing to the mean after nailing the Marshall signing.
RE: $7M x 4 $28M total  
Milton : 3/27/2017 7:24 pm : link
In comment 13407592 mrvax said:
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with 12 guaranteed is more than fair, IMO. That would be my final offer. I'd go get his replacement this week also.

Here's my offer... - ( New Window )
.  
arcarsenal : 3/27/2017 7:44 pm : link
Welp.....
I'll give things are fluid but if it goes about a a day or 2 from toda  
micky : 3/27/2017 8:09 pm : link
You've fallen into the slade trap..jmo lol
Oh well..  
Big Blue '56 : 3/28/2017 8:22 am : link
Oh wait, it's all fluid..😎
RE: I'll give things are fluid but if it goes about a a day or 2 from toda  
aquidneck : 3/28/2017 8:26 am : link
In comment 13408549 micky said:
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You've fallen into the slade trap..jmo lol


He never said which Monday.
RE: Oh well..  
Klaatu : 3/28/2017 8:34 am : link
In comment 13408792 Big Blue '56 said:
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Oh wait, it's all fluid..😎


RE: RE: Oh well..  
Big Blue '56 : 3/28/2017 9:02 am : link
In comment 13408801 Klaatu said:
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In comment 13408792 Big Blue '56 said:


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Oh wait, it's all fluid..😎





👍
RE: RE: I'll give things are fluid but if it goes about a a day or 2 from toda  
Big Blue '56 : 3/28/2017 9:03 am : link
In comment 13408793 aquidneck said:
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You've fallen into the slade trap..jmo lol



He never said which Monday.


This is true..😜
RE: RE: RE: I'll give things are fluid but if it goes about a a day or 2 from toda  
Klaatu : 3/28/2017 9:33 am : link
In comment 13408827 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 13408793 aquidneck said:


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In comment 13408549 micky said:


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You've fallen into the slade trap..jmo lol



He never said which Monday.



This is true..😜


Rainy Days and Mondays
Monday??  
Blue Angel : 4/5/2017 8:46 pm : link
Monday, Monday, can't trust that day!!
was thinking about this today and Hankins  
micky : 4/5/2017 10:01 pm : link
some Monday I guess he'll sign..........................
slade is a bit impatient with sharing  
JonC : 4/6/2017 9:02 am : link
not unlike 3/4 of BBI on any given topic.
RE: slade is a bit impatient with sharing  
UConn4523 : 4/6/2017 9:03 am : link
In comment 13419172 JonC said:
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not unlike 3/4 of BBI on any given topic.


So you're saying its coming?
I haven't heard anything on Hank for weeks  
JonC : 4/6/2017 9:05 am : link
only that his value (a few weeks ago) to NYG was significantly below the figures similar players were signing for on the open market.
I'm curious  
Ron Johnson 30 : 4/6/2017 9:10 am : link
Which similar players? There doesn't seem to be very many.
interesting  
UConn4523 : 4/6/2017 9:13 am : link
3 weeks until the draft, I can't imagine his value will go up post-draft even with injuries (and camp doesn't even start until the end of July). So strange.
RE: I'm curious  
Klaatu : 4/6/2017 9:27 am : link
In comment 13419181 Ron Johnson 30 said:
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Which similar players? There doesn't seem to be very many.


My guess is players like Brandon Williams (5 years, $52 million) and Nick Fairley (4 years, $28 million). That's if Hankins is looking for a multi-year deal.
RE: RE: I'm curious  
JonC : 4/6/2017 9:28 am : link
In comment 13419209 Klaatu said:
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In comment 13419181 Ron Johnson 30 said:


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Which similar players? There doesn't seem to be very many.



My guess is players like Brandon Williams (5 years, $52 million) and Nick Fairley (4 years, $28 million). That's if Hankins is looking for a multi-year deal.


Yep, and Poe, they were all part of the pool, how similar they are is debatable.
RE: interesting  
Klaatu : 4/6/2017 9:32 am : link
In comment 13419183 UConn4523 said:
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3 weeks until the draft, I can't imagine his value will go up post-draft even with injuries (and camp doesn't even start until the end of July). So strange.


And it certainly doesn't help that he's not down at Duke practicing with Eli!

Maybe this is why Bob Geldof doesn't like mondays  
Mad Mike : 4/6/2017 9:49 am : link
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