agree it's almost all about the money, but if another team offers him slightly less, he'd still be better off going there, if they allow him to be a a true 1T. If he comes back here, he'll be more of a 3T. I like the idea of two large DTs, especially against Dallas, but he needs to play as many snaps as possible as a 1T. That probably won't happen here.
If Giants go deep in playoffs with shutdown defense,which could happen, his value goes up even if he plays at last years level. He knows the system and coaches and teammates. If he goes elsewhere, he has to learn everything new and something tells me he's not the brightest guy around
or long term contract, this team is absolutely stacked. I have not been this excited about this team heading into a season since 2008 and we still have the draft.
I understand that there are legitimate concerns about the offensive line but I would bet that at least 2 offensive lineman will be drafted next month, including likely a 1st or 2nd round selection.
It is an extremely exciting time for us fans as we should be Superbowl contenders for Eli's home stretch over the next few years.
Solid player, does what needs to get done. Surprised the Giants have the money to pull it off. I thought JPP would stick, didn't think they'd be able to afford Hankins.
he comes back, I think it increases the chance we take a QB in round one.
I hope you're wrong, with all due respect. There are really just 2 QB's I'd be on board with. One (Trubisky) is potentially the first QB taken and the other (Webb) isn't worth investing the 23rd overall pick on.
the Giants go QB in the first now. They are trying to win with Eli for the next three years.Not going to have a QB riding the bench for that amount of time.
the Giants go QB in the first now. They are trying to win with Eli for the next three years.Not going to have a QB riding the bench for that amount of time.
Don't think Hankins has any effect on the Giants taking a QB in the first. If a QB is at the top of our draft board the Giants will probably take him. Highly unlikely though as most likely Trubisky, Watson & Mahomes will go top 20.
If he doesn't sign with the Giants.....It's because the Giants didn't want him. The Giants are holding all the cards and all the chips.
I suspect, he is signing with the Giants.
Limerick was probably hearing Hankins team last grasp to sweeten pot.....Teams in bidding wars market has passed.
I see no major advantage to do a 1 year 8 million deal.....I suspect it's a 4 years 30 million. Hankins will still be under 30....So possibly another big pay day for him and a reasonable but rate for the Giants.
Would the Giants want to sign Hankins for only a year? Â
If he has a breakout year then his price goes up and we probably lose him to free agency next year.
By breakout year I just mean that he stays healthy, he has six or seven sacks, and he regularly applies pressure up the middle when the QB drops back.
Don't want another Bennett where Hankins learns how to play a two dimensional game with us and then just thanks us and says goodbye.
First, that scenario doesn't seem likely at all.
But if he does, what can you do? It's his fault for not playing himself into a long term deal before the end of his contract. You can't give a player a long term extension based on very aggressive projections. We've got three years of games that suggests he's not going to turn into a 3-technique pocket-pushing pass rusher.
that is my mystery team, I think they need to upgrade their D.
I doubt Hankins takes a one year deal to stay here.
FA's who take take one year deals, most likely do it with
another team to try and reset their own market foe the following year. It's possible, he decides to do it,
but with another team.
A probably forgotten tidbit (I certainly forgot) by Leonard Â
It is unfortunate teams aren’t willing to give Hankins the long-term, lucrative deal he wants. His blocked field goal against New Orleans, returned for a touchdown by Janoris Jenkins, was the primary reason the Giants started the season 2-0 and not 1-1, to demonstrate one of his key contributions from 2016.
I remember a block and a sack that went for Defensive TDs Â
Plays made my Hankins.. or plays made by the guy in between JPP, Snacks and OV. The sack against Cleveland was him taking advantage of one on one blocking and the block was a combo of everyone on that line as it was for JPPs block too.
Mike Jones (@MikeJonesWaPo)
3/24/17, 12:20 PM
Was told most around the league view Hankins mostly as a two-down player and he wants more right now than teams are willing to pay.
*take into account he's a part-time player - and that's not going to change anywhere else
*Snacks gets $9M. Snacks is eating doubles and looks like 3x the player while Hank is 1on1. If Hank is being offered $7M he should be sign it before someone puts the smelling salts under mgmt's nose. He's a space eater - effective holding the line but there are lots of guys around the league who do that, some at vet minimum. The delta between the play isn't $7M. Come back, it's fun to keep the guys together c'mon Hank!
the Giants go QB in the first now. They are trying to win with Eli for the next three years.Not going to have a QB riding the bench for that amount of time.
Don't think Hankins has any effect on the Giants taking a QB in the first. If a QB is at the top of our draft board the Giants will probably take him. Highly unlikely though as most likely Trubisky, Watson & Mahomes will go top 20.
Most likely? I think it's highly unlikely that Mahomes goes top 20. And very possible that one of Watson/Trubisky falls outside the top 20 as well.
If Hankins agrees to a reasonable offer, why would you not sign him? This defense front worked last year, did it not ? We sucked before that and look at all the $$$ we spent to get it back on track. Give the guy a contract, he has earned it, and cut bait with Bromley. MO
he comes back, I think it increases the chance we take a QB in round one.
Not even close. The team is manning (no pun intended) to win now, not in 2-3 years. Manning is capable performing well for the next (2) years, providing LOT is addressed and he doesn't get slaughtered due to poor OL play!
he comes back, I think it increases the chance we take a QB in round one.
Not even close. The team is manning (no pun intended) to win now, not in 2-3 years. Manning is capable performing well for the next (2) years, providing LOT is addressed and he doesn't get slaughtered due to poor OL play!
If I thought Manning had just 2 years of productivity left(I don't), I'd draft a QB yesterday
How much of Manning's iron man streak is due to good fortune and Â
If he has a breakout year then his price goes up and we probably lose him to free agency next year.
By breakout year I just mean that he stays healthy, he has six or seven sacks, and he regularly applies pressure up the middle when the QB drops back.
Don't want another Bennett where Hankins learns how to play a two dimensional game with us and then just thanks us and says goodbye.
First, that scenario doesn't seem likely at all.
But if he does, what can you do? It's his fault for not playing himself into a long term deal before the end of his contract. You can't give a player a long term extension based on very aggressive projections. We've got three years of games that suggests he's not going to turn into a 3-technique pocket-pushing pass rusher.
If Hankins managed seven sacks in his second season, and was hurt the following season when the whole defense absolutely hit bottom, I don't find it so improbable that he couldn't come up with six or seven sacks.
But if he is really no better than average at the position, why is everyone making such a fuss about bringing him back this year.
But he was healthy this year, and surrounded by an all pro DT Â
and two very legitimate DEs. It was the best, healthiest defense he might ever play on and precisely the ideal situation for him to break out.
I'm not saying the book is closed on his development. He's too young for that. But he absolutely had the opportunity to this past season. I don't think he showed anything that we didn't already know. He's a load against the run, and just okay as pass rusher. Which is kind of what he projected to be when he was a draftee.
'He's a load against the run, and just okay as pass rusher'... Â
Agreed. Which is why he's miscast as a 3T in our scheme. I won't blame Hank if he leaves the Giants for a nose slot in a 3-4 or even the 1T in a defense similar to ours. that's where he can put his abilities on display to their maximum in order to optimize his value for future contracts imo.
has anything to do with drafting a QB in round #1. Likewise I doubt that trying to win a SB with Eli "now" has anything to do with the Giants not drafting a QB in the 1st round. They are mutually independent.
Signing Hankins would have more to do with not drafting a DT in round 1 or 2, unless he only signs 1 year an then you might see a DT drafted early as his replacement for next year.
As for QB, the Giants don't stop playing in the NFL when Eli hangs them up. If a QB they rate extremely high is there at #23 (above all other remaining players) they will take him, because Eli is one missed block away from retirement.
That said, Kizer and maybe Watson (who the ef is Trubisky?) are the only two I'd consider in the 1st. But in reality, there is no 1st round worthy QB in this draft.
RE: Would the Giants want to sign Hankins for only a year? Â
Hankins is not a JAG - he's a very good and very reliable player who has many stand out moments to back it up.
He may not be Snacks - but Snacks has proven that he's one of the best players in the league. No - Hankins is not Snacks but he's much better than average and he also still has some upside. The Giants are definitely better with him on the team than not.
The only issue here is really: what is a fair price?
I am sure the Giants placed a more than fair value on him - and the problem is Hankins wants to be paid more than Snacks. The Postons are notorious for over-reaching so they are probably bolstering a contentiousness bargaining climate.
In my view what is happening is that other teams are not really meeting the Giants commitment value to him - and even trying to nibble away at it.
My hope is that Hankins starts seeing that his bread is buttered better with the Giants than holding out hope for anyone waiving a huge contract.
Correct- he's back in BBI's good graces.
I understand that there are legitimate concerns about the offensive line but I would bet that at least 2 offensive lineman will be drafted next month, including likely a 1st or 2nd round selection.
It is an extremely exciting time for us fans as we should be Superbowl contenders for Eli's home stretch over the next few years.
I hope you're wrong, with all due respect. There are really just 2 QB's I'd be on board with. One (Trubisky) is potentially the first QB taken and the other (Webb) isn't worth investing the 23rd overall pick on.
Don't think Hankins has any effect on the Giants taking a QB in the first. If a QB is at the top of our draft board the Giants will probably take him. Highly unlikely though as most likely Trubisky, Watson & Mahomes will go top 20.
I suspect, he is signing with the Giants.
Limerick was probably hearing Hankins team last grasp to sweeten pot.....Teams in bidding wars market has passed.
I see no major advantage to do a 1 year 8 million deal.....I suspect it's a 4 years 30 million. Hankins will still be under 30....So possibly another big pay day for him and a reasonable but rate for the Giants.
By breakout year I just mean that he stays healthy, he has six or seven sacks, and he regularly applies pressure up the middle when the QB drops back.
Don't want another Bennett where Hankins learns how to play a two dimensional game with us and then just thanks us and says goodbye.
By breakout year I just mean that he stays healthy, he has six or seven sacks, and he regularly applies pressure up the middle when the QB drops back.
Don't want another Bennett where Hankins learns how to play a two dimensional game with us and then just thanks us and says goodbye.
Why not? We don't lose anything in that scenario. We can't have everything. Players have big years and move on, happens to every single team.
By breakout year I just mean that he stays healthy, he has six or seven sacks, and he regularly applies pressure up the middle when the QB drops back.
Don't want another Bennett where Hankins learns how to play a two dimensional game with us and then just thanks us and says goodbye.
First, that scenario doesn't seem likely at all.
But if he does, what can you do? It's his fault for not playing himself into a long term deal before the end of his contract. You can't give a player a long term extension based on very aggressive projections. We've got three years of games that suggests he's not going to turn into a 3-technique pocket-pushing pass rusher.
Not true. I never said that.
What I heard was that 3 teams are in the mix. Giants, Dolphins and another team trying to come in late and get a good player on a team friendly deal.
Although my source has not heard of anything imminent with the Giants, as in something happening by Monday.
I doubt Hankins takes a one year deal to stay here.
FA's who take take one year deals, most likely do it with
another team to try and reset their own market foe the following year. It's possible, he decides to do it,
but with another team.
It is unfortunate teams aren’t willing to give Hankins the long-term, lucrative deal he wants. His blocked field goal against New Orleans, returned for a touchdown by Janoris Jenkins, was the primary reason the Giants started the season 2-0 and not 1-1, to demonstrate one of his key contributions from 2016.
Quote:
That Limerick Guy has a source who says otherwise.
Not true. I never said that.
What I heard was that 3 teams are in the mix. Giants, Dolphins and another team trying to come in late and get a good player on a team friendly deal.
Although my source has not heard of anything imminent with the Giants, as in something happening by Monday.
Thanks for clearing that up
Mike Jones (@MikeJonesWaPo)
3/24/17, 12:20 PM
Was told most around the league view Hankins mostly as a two-down player and he wants more right now than teams are willing to pay.
They are not taking a QB in RD 1
Quote:
he comes back, I think it increases the chance we take a QB in round one.
They are not taking a QB in RD 1
I would be SHOCKED if that occurred
*if you're aware of other DTs around the league
*take into account he's a part-time player - and that's not going to change anywhere else
*Snacks gets $9M. Snacks is eating doubles and looks like 3x the player while Hank is 1on1. If Hank is being offered $7M he should be sign it before someone puts the smelling salts under mgmt's nose. He's a space eater - effective holding the line but there are lots of guys around the league who do that, some at vet minimum. The delta between the play isn't $7M. Come back, it's fun to keep the guys together c'mon Hank!
Quote:
the Giants go QB in the first now. They are trying to win with Eli for the next three years.Not going to have a QB riding the bench for that amount of time.
Don't think Hankins has any effect on the Giants taking a QB in the first. If a QB is at the top of our draft board the Giants will probably take him. Highly unlikely though as most likely Trubisky, Watson & Mahomes will go top 20.
Most likely? I think it's highly unlikely that Mahomes goes top 20. And very possible that one of Watson/Trubisky falls outside the top 20 as well.
+1.
Not even close. The team is manning (no pun intended) to win now, not in 2-3 years. Manning is capable performing well for the next (2) years, providing LOT is addressed and he doesn't get slaughtered due to poor OL play!
Quote:
he comes back, I think it increases the chance we take a QB in round one.
Not even close. The team is manning (no pun intended) to win now, not in 2-3 years. Manning is capable performing well for the next (2) years, providing LOT is addressed and he doesn't get slaughtered due to poor OL play!
If I thought Manning had just 2 years of productivity left(I don't), I'd draft a QB yesterday
No kidding ourselves, on the first play of the first preseason game he could be knocked out for the season or for the rest of his career.
Quote:
If he has a breakout year then his price goes up and we probably lose him to free agency next year.
By breakout year I just mean that he stays healthy, he has six or seven sacks, and he regularly applies pressure up the middle when the QB drops back.
Don't want another Bennett where Hankins learns how to play a two dimensional game with us and then just thanks us and says goodbye.
First, that scenario doesn't seem likely at all.
But if he does, what can you do? It's his fault for not playing himself into a long term deal before the end of his contract. You can't give a player a long term extension based on very aggressive projections. We've got three years of games that suggests he's not going to turn into a 3-technique pocket-pushing pass rusher.
If Hankins managed seven sacks in his second season, and was hurt the following season when the whole defense absolutely hit bottom, I don't find it so improbable that he couldn't come up with six or seven sacks.
But if he is really no better than average at the position, why is everyone making such a fuss about bringing him back this year.
I'm not saying the book is closed on his development. He's too young for that. But he absolutely had the opportunity to this past season. I don't think he showed anything that we didn't already know. He's a load against the run, and just okay as pass rusher. Which is kind of what he projected to be when he was a draftee.
They may not want him to be a 3T.
Signing Hankins would have more to do with not drafting a DT in round 1 or 2, unless he only signs 1 year an then you might see a DT drafted early as his replacement for next year.
As for QB, the Giants don't stop playing in the NFL when Eli hangs them up. If a QB they rate extremely high is there at #23 (above all other remaining players) they will take him, because Eli is one missed block away from retirement.
That said, Kizer and maybe Watson (who the ef is Trubisky?) are the only two I'd consider in the 1st. But in reality, there is no 1st round worthy QB in this draft.
By breakout year I just mean that he stays healthy, he has six or seven sacks, and he regularly applies pressure up the middle when the QB drops back.
Don't want another Bennett where Hankins learns how to play a two dimensional game with us and then just thanks us and says goodbye.
IMO the Only way they sign him for a year if it's dirt cheap. Not much else
Out there so why waste cap space for this or next year
He may not be Snacks - but Snacks has proven that he's one of the best players in the league. No - Hankins is not Snacks but he's much better than average and he also still has some upside. The Giants are definitely better with him on the team than not.
The only issue here is really: what is a fair price?
I am sure the Giants placed a more than fair value on him - and the problem is Hankins wants to be paid more than Snacks. The Postons are notorious for over-reaching so they are probably bolstering a contentiousness bargaining climate.
In my view what is happening is that other teams are not really meeting the Giants commitment value to him - and even trying to nibble away at it.
My hope is that Hankins starts seeing that his bread is buttered better with the Giants than holding out hope for anyone waiving a huge contract.