This guy is everything Leonard Floyd was except stouter at the POA, stronger and more versatile. Unlike Floyd, Reddick has actually played on all three levels of D, not just flashed. Unlike Floyd, he doesnt get caught up in the wash and isnt just "in the neighborhood" of the tackle. He is actually initiating the play and making the tackle. Unlike Floyd, he isnt guided aside once the Tackle gets his feet, he can hook and suddenly take an inside approach to the quarterback.
Yes he played at Temple as opposed to an SEC school. But this guy is every bit the player people talked about when discussing Floyd (which I hated as the Giants pick) except with more work ethic and strength.
So if Floyd went top ten, where does this kid go? Most mocks Ive seen have him going 15-25, which puts us on the very edge. If the Giants love him, I think we would have to move up, significantly, to do so. Just a cursory look at other teams ahead of us, I see trading up to 15 behind the Eagles would be the necessary move if the Giants want him badly. Personally I think he is the last piece to going from being the great D we were last year to being a truly Offense wrecking, carnivorous defense you cant game plan against. I have not been as sold on a linebacker pick in the first round in years, probably ever. But we just committed big dollars to our DL. We also have a very good secondary with a burgeoning star at SS. We have been very frugal with our LBs...and I understand why. Reddick would not only instantly benefit from the likes of the secondary behind him, the two pass rushers that are going to command attention of multiple blockers in front of him, but he and Collins would make those dink and dunk, 3 step offenses like the Pats have fits.
I have never seen a player that woukd have the instantaneous impact that Reddick would. The unmentioned fact in this post, that he walked on to the team, also shows that he will work for his success. I know BBI has been fairly warm to his being our choice. But I think he may not even make it to 15, however, if he made it to 13, would you make the jump and what would you be willing to give up?
Foster, Bama
Dont be a prick! Lol. I said not mentioned because I was done talking about his atttibutes and had realized I hadnt yet pointed that out.
I understand that many people talk about players who wont be there at 23, but this guy is such a talent and just a good football player, I think he goes before 15. His being 5" shorter than Floyd is exactly why he is the more likeable prospect. He can get under most Tackles and TEs. The last time I wanted a prospect this badly was Conklin last year. Prior to that, I think it was Roethlisberger.
The guy I want is Cam Robinson.
The guy I want is Cam Robinson.
Id be okay with Robinson. Hes the only OL I want at 23. I want the nasty that Bama guys bring. But he apparently has average ability. Reddick is a game wrecker with our D.
And how do you "not think he represents good value?" Hes a potential 3 down LB which the Giants havent had in years, and can actually add to an already fiercesome defensive personnel.
And how do you "not think he represents good value?" Hes a potential 3 down LB which the Giants havent had in years, and can actually add to an already fiercesome defensive personnel.
That's my thinking about him too. I feel the same way about Cunningham.
The guy I want is Cam Robinson.
Yeah, it would be great to get a 4th RT on this team!
Before you ask, Hart, Fluker, Flowers. Giants need a LT. That's Ramczyk or Bolles, possibly Garcia in the 2nd.
In my view you don't take those type of guys in the 1st.
Mike Mayock on Reddick's Senior Bowl experience:
Player who made the most money:
Haason Reddick, LB, Temple: He had a really impressive week. He was a hand-in-the-dirt 4-3 defensive end with a lot of sack production at Temple, but down here they asked him to stand up and play two different positions, and every day he got better. His attitude about the switch was terrific; I got a kick out of how he embraced it. The last two days of practice, I don't think he lost a rep. He bounced around and made plays all week. At 6-foot-1 and 237 pounds I think he showed versatility. I came into the week wondering what he would be at the next level, and at the end of the practice sessions I left thinking he could be an inside linebacker in a 3-4, an outside linebacker in a 4-3, and an occasional edge rusher. Bottom line: He showed he can do a bunch of things and do them well.
The guy I want is Cam Robinson.
Yeah, it would be great to get a 4th RT on this team!
Before you ask, Hart, Fluker, Flowers. Giants need a LT. That's Ramczyk or Bolles, possibly Garcia in the 2nd.
He's a young guy, doesn't turn 22 until October. And, yeah, I know we heard that about Flowers, but again, Robinson isn't Flowers. I think he's smarter and more coachable, which is why I believe his best football is ahead of him. It's also why I expect him to go in the top twenty despite the current projections.
Thomas and Cassilas would just be back-ups in that ideal scenario.
Point?? Maybe this crew of linebacker's is already set and much better than we're giving them credit for. Note, that's conjecture, not a certainty, but if that's anywhere close to reality then I want all efforts put into the offense....running back, offensive lineman, offensive linemen and, oh!, Offensive lineman.
You'd just run around them - and it wouldn't be that hard.
we need the picks .
In my view you don't take those type of guys in the 1st.
He is 6'6", 322lbs, with 35 1/2 inch arms and 10 1/2 inch hands, and runs a 5.15 forty. He hasn't always been consistent and he can be lazy at times with his technique, but I think he's smart enough to realize wins in the NFL don't come as easy as they do at the college level.
But don't get your hopes up, he won't make it to the 23rd pick. I'm already resigned to that fact.
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*first round money is out of the question to invest in Cam
Look at the Giants 1st Round history. I challenge anyone to find the player in the last two decades that carried these concerns that actually was the pick. Good Luck because there isn't one. Nor should there be imo. These guys are the face of the franchise. The investment is huge both monetarily and in the repercussions to your roster if they implode in NY.
BTW I've heard it told it was his gun but he was covered for because of his football status. Which I believe. It was certainly found under the drivers seat of his car in which he was sitting at the time. No one will ever know the truth but do the math.
This doesn't add up to NY Giants 1st Round pick imo. Dallas Cowboys? Yeah, you see what I'm saying. Risk/Reward is a big part of the assessment. Randy Gregory?
Thomas and Cassilas would just be back-ups in that ideal scenario.
Point?? Maybe this crew of linebacker's is already set and much better than we're giving them credit for. Note, that's conjecture, not a certainty, but if that's anywhere close to reality then I want all efforts put into the offense....running back, offensive lineman, offensive linemen and, oh!, Offensive lineman.
Take off the road colored glasses. Would you trade a 3rd round pick straight up for any of these linebackers? I hope you said no and realized there isn't truly any difference making 3 down NFL talent there.
Are you serious? Like in never?
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Is a LB that needs to be taught how to tackle properly or he will be out of the league in 3 years. He is a textbook hugger and NFL guys don't go down that easy.
In my view you don't take those type of guys in the 1st.
Reddick? You sure you don't mean Zach Cunningham?
You are right. Got them confused. Good catch
We have good tool LBers. Goodson is a 2 down thumper. Robinson is a decent WLB. Casillas may be our most well rounded LB. And he's a JAG. He has flashes but if he wasn't a great leader, he would lose a ton of value.
Reddick Goodson and Kennard would be a solid unit. Each would fill a role in a 4-3. And Reddick would be the best talent by far.
I hope teams are as low on him as the people in this thread are. I'd be surprised if we trade up in 1. So if he falls to us, that would be amazing.
But Armstead was the top recruit in the nation coming out of HS but tore his ACL at Miami, causing him to drop in the NFL draft.
Reddick was a walk-on. Great story. But I'm not sure about the football instincts.
I admit he's my man crush in this draft but with good reason. If he were available at #23 and the Giants went in a different direction I'd be terribly disappointed. I don't think it will com to that.
BTW I've heard it told it was his gun but he was covered for because of his football status. Which I believe. It was certainly found under the drivers seat of his car in which he was sitting at the time. No one will ever know the truth but do the math.
I don't care that he was in possession of a stolen gun and smoked weed unless it was he who stole the gun (and there's no reason to believe it was) or if he failed a pre-scheduled drug test (because that would mean he knew he was going to be tested and still couldn't resist temptation). It merits questioning him on the subject to see if it demonstrates a pattern of bad judgment, but as isolated incidents go, it doesn't suggest "bad character" on the part of a 20-year old kid. Did he test positive for marijuana at the combine? If he did (as Randy Gregory did), it's a problem, if he didn't, it isn't a problem. 90% of the NFL smokes weed and that's a conservative estimate.
"It might be under the driver's seat but I can't prove who put it there," Jones told the local TV station. "Even if I could get DNA showing that he had touched it at some point in time, that does not mean that he obtained it."
Though only Robinson and Jones were arrested and taken to jail, there were four people in Robinson's rental car early in the morning of May 17. The other two were handcuffed initially, Guerriero said, but only Jones and Robinson were booked. The incident report obtained through public records made no mention of the other two involved in the case.
Only a half gram of marijuana was found in the car, Guerriero said, and nobody had clear possession. The arrests were made, Guerriero said, only after Jones alerted police to the gun on his lap.
"Mr. Jones is the one who called it to the police's attention because he didn't want anything to happen," Guerriero said. "'Look, I have a gun in my lap. My hands are up. I just want to show you.'"
Possessing the gun didn't violate the law, so Guerriero said were no grounds for further searches. The attorney said it wasn't clear if the car occupants gave consent to search the vehicle.
"Nothing said they did," Guerriero said.
Jerry Jones, the local DA, said there were considerations beyond the evidence that went into his decision to drop prosecution.
"I want to emphasize once again that the main reason I'm doing this is that I refuse to ruin the lives of two young men who have spent their adolescence and their teenage years, working and sweating, while we were all home in the air conditioning," Jones told KNOE.
And as for your question about the last time the Giants drafted a player in the first round with "these concerns"....
Manning, 19, is the son of former Ole Miss and New Orleans Saints star Archie Manning and the brother of Peyton Manning, quarterback for the NFL's Indianapolis Colts.
Also charged were Justin Wade, a redshirt freshman linebacker from Jackson, according to justice court records.
The charges were filed after campus police were called to a fraternity party late Saturday night. Records show Manning also was charged with disorderly conduct, while Wade, 19, faced an additional charge of possession of liquor by a minor.
Campus police declined to discuss the charges, and a spokesman for the Oxford Police Department said his agency was not involved.
Manning, contacted Thursday by telephone in Oxford, said he had no comment and Wade could not be reached.
``Apparently two of our players, Eli Manning and Justin Wade, have used poor judgment at a party over the weekend,'' Ole Miss football coach David Cutcliffe said in a statement.
``Although I do not condone their behavior in any way, I know these young men regret their actions and we will take steps to ensure they have learned from their mistakes,'' Cutcliffe said.
The coach said disciplinary action would be taken ``as an internal team matter.''
As for Reddick, other than their size and speed, I don't see the comparison to Armstead. Jessie was mainly a coverage LB who could play the run, but he didn't rush the passer much. Meanwhile, pass-rushing seems to be Reddick's bread and butter. Everyone is projecting Reddick at either weakside or Mike, but I think SAM might be his best LB position. He doesn't have Seth Joyner's size, but Joyner is the one I would "hope to" compare him to. Joyner could do it all as a LB: cover, play the run, and rush the QB. I haven't seen a SAM like him since, but if the Giants are projecting Reddick as the next Seth Joyner than sign me up!
p.s.-- What do Jessie Armstead and Seth Joyner have in common? They were both 8th round picks. Joyner was the 208th pick in 1986, Armstead was the 207th pick in 1993.
There is still no concrete finding in the Robinson arrest. They swept it under the rug for the sake of the Alabama football program. That's the truth. Guns and drugs in one fell swoop. Exacerbated by continuing dialogue throughout his career about his dedication to the game and his work habits. Hence the widespread acknowledged concern about his character.
I understand you're desperate to back up your argument but you've got to do better than this.
p.s.--If you don't have a plan for Reddick to rush the QB in your scheme, you're making a mistake. What a waste that would be. That would be like drafting Njoku to be your blocking TE.