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NFT: Yanks Talk 3/25: Cessa sent down

BC Eagles94 : 3/25/2017 9:40 am
Position player roster would be 100% set if not for injury to Didi. Will be interesting to see who they keep on. I think Torreyes gets bulk of time at SS but the open roster spot I think goes to Tejada. As he has a lot of MLB experience at SS, can play some 3B and 2B too, and has proven to be a capable MLB hitter. Kozma simply just can't hit. Don't think they put Wade on 40 man roster for a month in bigs, when he has never even played AAA.

Cessa is gone, leaving 5 for last two rotation spots. As good as Montgomery has been, again I don't think they put him on 40 ...and have him start in majors. He played very little AAA last year and I think starts down there. Warren seems destined for bullpen to start the year. Really comes down to Mitchell, Severino and Green IMO. I think Mitchell has earned one of the spots. Neither of the other two have really earned the other. Toss up for me there, with Severino having an edge since Yanks want him to succeed as a starter so badly.

Last couple bullpen spots aren't talked about much...but are a big competition. Chapman, Betances, Clippard, Warren, and Layne have spots nailed down. One will go to a long reliever, probably whoever doesn't win that last rotation spot (likely Green). But they may prefer Green starting in AAA, so it could end up being Niese. He has a lot of experience and is a lefty.

Thought the other spot would go to Shreve when camp started. But he stinks and doesn't gets lefties out really well. Heller has played the best of the kids and has a legit shot there, think he has a leg up on Holder. Darkhorse is Frieri, who I think may be playing himself into the roster. He has top-notch MLB experience, and great stuff. But was nowhere last year and not sure will be in camp long enough to earn a spot. May have to start in AAA where he said he will go.

What are other people's thoughts on the open spot in middle infield, last two rotation spots, and last two bullpen spots??
Cashman  
Steve in Greenwich : 3/25/2017 10:03 am : link
stated yesterday that they will be skipping the 5th starter in the rotation the first two turns through due to off days so it sounds like they are going to differ that decision for a little while. I cant remember which beat writer it was but someone inferred that moving CC up into the 2 spot of the rotation over Pineda may be to breakup the lefties so that CC and Montgomery are not the 3-4 back to back in the early season rotation. One spot on the 40 is easy to come by with Tyler Austin moving to the 60 man DL, but would the Yankees want to use that spot on Montgomery, Frieri or Ruben Tejada.
Frieri is interesting, stuff seems back...  
Dunedin81 : 3/25/2017 10:04 am : link
As for subs, I could see Torreyes playing most of the time with Castro backing up and Refsnyder subbing. Kozma or Tejada would be Joe-like moves and Wade would be a big surprise. Problem (a nice problem at that) is that nobody needs to go on the 60 day yet. Austin could, Didi should be back before that.
I think that they should send Severino down again. He's not  
yatqb : 3/25/2017 10:06 am : link
a finished product by any means. If so, then Mitchell and Green win the last two spots, giving Montgomery a bit more time in AAA.

I agree about Torreyes and Tejada.
RE: I think that they should send Severino down again. He's not  
Dunedin81 : 3/25/2017 10:27 am : link
In comment 13406140 yatqb said:
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a finished product by any means. If so, then Mitchell and Green win the last two spots, giving Montgomery a bit more time in AAA.

I agree about Torreyes and Tejada.


Severino looked filthy yesterday. Everything was working. The problem with AAA is he's simply that much better than everyone, there is no challenge to burning everyone with heat. Give him the ball every fifth day and leave it at that. Nobody else has run away with the competition.
RE: Frieri is interesting, stuff seems back...  
Beer Man : 3/25/2017 11:04 am : link
In comment 13406138 Dunedin81 said:
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As for subs, I could see Torreyes playing most of the time with Castro backing up and Refsnyder subbing. Kozma or Tejada would be Joe-like moves and Wade would be a big surprise. Problem (a nice problem at that) is that nobody needs to go on the 60 day yet. Austin could, Didi should be back before that.
Agree. I think he heads north with the team. He has been a strikeout machine this Spring.
I really hope the put Sev in the pen  
Ron from Ninerland : 3/25/2017 12:28 pm : link
and stop this same nonsense that they pulled with Joba . Severino is lights out in the pen in both short and long relief. Be happy with that. The prospect of SBC coming out of the pen should be as daunting as DMC was last year to the opposition. With all the off days the really don't need a fifth starter until the middle of May
Good point about the 5th starter...  
BC Eagles94 : 3/25/2017 1:41 pm : link
That may mean they even send both Green and Severino down to get starts down there, if they prefer that for these young kids...over long relief in majors until they need to start. But then it becomes a #'s game down in AAA for the starters. If Severino, Green, and Cessa are all down there starting...you round it out with Montgomery and Adams. But then what do you do with Enns, who sould be starting at AAA this year.
Bird HR #7!  
guitarguybs12 : 3/25/2017 2:13 pm : link
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RE: Bird HR #7!  
mfsd : 3/25/2017 2:20 pm : link
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Amazing. At this point I hope he just saves some for the season!
They also sent down Clint Fraiser.  
superspynyg : 3/25/2017 2:44 pm : link
To AAA.
RE: I really hope the put Sev in the pen  
Mike from SI : 3/25/2017 3:04 pm : link
In comment 13406230 Ron from Ninerland said:
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and stop this same nonsense that they pulled with Joba . Severino is lights out in the pen in both short and long relief. Be happy with that. The prospect of SBC coming out of the pen should be as daunting as DMC was last year to the opposition. With all the off days the really don't need a fifth starter until the middle of May


Starters are so much more valuable, you gotta give the kid a chance to fail. I wonder if Yankees fans with Joba feel the same way about Giants fans and Sehorn/punt returning: we let one catastrophe color our thoughts about it when the probabilities may be otherwise.
Yanks refuse to lose once again!  
guitarguybs12 : 3/25/2017 4:04 pm : link
2 run comeback/walkoff in the 9th. Man hopefully this attitude translates into the regular season
Pineda  
shelovesnycsports : 3/25/2017 4:31 pm : link
Scares the crap out of me. He can really screw up the rotation.
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If Montgomery is the 4th  
section125 : 3/25/2017 5:33 pm : link
best starter he goes on to the 40 man. Right it is a toss up with Mitchell. I really don't think Severino is consistent enough to stay right now.

Severino needs to go down and perfect those off speed pitches. If he gets blown up in the majors every 5th day that is not doing him or the Yankees any good. Even if it is only until the all star break, it seems it would be better for him to gain confidence and control of the changes especially.
RE: If Montgomery is the 4th  
rich in DC : 3/25/2017 8:09 pm : link
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best starter he goes on to the 40 man. Right it is a toss up with Mitchell. I really don't think Severino is consistent enough to stay right now.

Severino needs to go down and perfect those off speed pitches. If he gets blown up in the majors every 5th day that is not doing him or the Yankees any good. Even if it is only until the all star break, it seems it would be better for him to gain confidence and control of the changes especially.


IMO, last year was the time to send him down to work on those pitches. The fact that he resisted made last year a lost year. Sending him back again will likely result in more lost time.

Look, Cashman has already indicated publicly that the Yankee front office views 2017 as a transition year. Just stick Severino in the rotation until at least the trade deadline. Sink or swim time- none of this pulling him back and forth. Make clear this is his chance and he has to make the most of it with so much young SP coming up behind him.

If he fails, he fails- and would probably become a dominant reliever in 2018- just in time to replace Clippard.

If the light finally comes on and he figures it his off-speed stuff and command- then the upside is a potential #2 SP.

Neither one is a bad scenario- but use 2017 to figure out which one is his future- not spring training.
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Toastt34 : 3/25/2017 8:29 pm : link
+1 Great post.

In comment 13406614 rich in DC said:
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best starter he goes on to the 40 man. Right it is a toss up with Mitchell. I really don't think Severino is consistent enough to stay right now.

Severino needs to go down and perfect those off speed pitches. If he gets blown up in the majors every 5th day that is not doing him or the Yankees any good. Even if it is only until the all star break, it seems it would be better for him to gain confidence and control of the changes especially.



IMO, last year was the time to send him down to work on those pitches. The fact that he resisted made last year a lost year. Sending him back again will likely result in more lost time.

Look, Cashman has already indicated publicly that the Yankee front office views 2017 as a transition year. Just stick Severino in the rotation until at least the trade deadline. Sink or swim time- none of this pulling him back and forth. Make clear this is his chance and he has to make the most of it with so much young SP coming up behind him.

If he fails, he fails- and would probably become a dominant reliever in 2018- just in time to replace Clippard.

If the light finally comes on and he figures it his off-speed stuff and command- then the upside is a potential #2 SP.

Neither one is a bad scenario- but use 2017 to figure out which one is his future- not spring training.
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section125 : 3/25/2017 8:40 pm : link
In comment 13406635 Toastt34 said:
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+1 Great post.

In comment 13406614 rich in DC said:


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best starter he goes on to the 40 man. Right it is a toss up with Mitchell. I really don't think Severino is consistent enough to stay right now.

Severino needs to go down and perfect those off speed pitches. If he gets blown up in the majors every 5th day that is not doing him or the Yankees any good. Even if it is only until the all star break, it seems it would be better for him to gain confidence and control of the changes especially.



IMO, last year was the time to send him down to work on those pitches. The fact that he resisted made last year a lost year. Sending him back again will likely result in more lost time.

Look, Cashman has already indicated publicly that the Yankee front office views 2017 as a transition year. Just stick Severino in the rotation until at least the trade deadline. Sink or swim time- none of this pulling him back and forth. Make clear this is his chance and he has to make the most of it with so much young SP coming up behind him.

If he fails, he fails- and would probably become a dominant reliever in 2018- just in time to replace Clippard.

If the light finally comes on and he figures it his off-speed stuff and command- then the upside is a potential #2 SP.

Neither one is a bad scenario- but use 2017 to figure out which one is his future- not spring training.



He is going to get crushed and that is not good. The light is not just going to come on. He needs to be able to throw it without it causing losses and without him losing confidence.
So if he goes out there against major league hitters and repeats last year that will not be helpful. He needs low pressure reps.

I'll just have to respectfully disagree with youse guys. I'm just happy to see most of the young guys doing well.
After Tanaka...  
M.S. : 3/25/2017 8:44 pm : link

...how have the Yankees starting pitchers looked in the Grapefruit League?
RE: RE: RE: RE: If Montgomery is the 4th  
Dan in the Springs : 3/25/2017 8:46 pm : link
In comment 13406654 section125 said:
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In comment 13406635 Toastt34 said:

I'll just have to respectfully disagree with youse guys. I'm just happy to see most of the young guys doing well.


Just keep in mind that pitchers are working on pitches and situational pitching in spring training, not necessarily pitching to win. This means that at times a pitcher might stick with a pitch that isn't working just to see if he can it corrected. In the regular season when a pitcher doesn't have the control he wants with a pitch he uses is sparingly, sticking with other pitches.

I'm not saying this is exactly what's happened with Severino or for that matter Pineda, just giving a reminder and reason for some hope with both.
The problem with  
Phil in LA : 3/25/2017 8:51 pm : link
Montgomery is he's not on the 40, and they are already at 40, so they'll have to make a move. He really has looked like one of the top 5 through camp.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: If Montgomery is the 4th  
section125 : 3/25/2017 8:51 pm : link
In comment 13406658 Dan in the Springs said:
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In comment 13406635 Toastt34 said:

I'll just have to respectfully disagree with youse guys. I'm just happy to see most of the young guys doing well.



Just keep in mind that pitchers are working on pitches and situational pitching in spring training, not necessarily pitching to win. This means that at times a pitcher might stick with a pitch that isn't working just to see if he can it corrected. In the regular season when a pitcher doesn't have the control he wants with a pitch he uses is sparingly, sticking with other pitches.

I'm not saying this is exactly what's happened with Severino or for that matter Pineda, just giving a reminder and reason for some hope with both.


Could be...
Listening to Cashman  
PaulN : 3/26/2017 9:20 am : link
I don't think Montgomery is going to be one of the 5 starters, He mentioned the fact that he only has I believe 50-60 innings in triple A, it sounded to me that he would not start out on the roster, I am not saying I agree, but if you listen close, I think Cashman feels they need to make a more immediate decision on what Severino is, starter or relief pitcher, I would not be surprised to see them give him a shot and if he blows this one they may look at him as a relief pitcher. So I think Severino will be one of the starters, the other spot will be between Green and Mitchell. We all know Green has pitched better, not certain that will be the deciding factor though. This is all based on what I heard from Cashman today.
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