NFT: 3/25 Knicks Talk - Noah Suspended 20 Games

In comment 13406446 nygiants16 said:

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looked like the pressure got to him, when my team is down i want the best player on my team to take over the game and settle the game and it seemed like he never could.. he looked content staying on the perimiter

Apparently his Mom is seriously ill and was in rough enough shape that his Dad couldn't even attend the game last night. Might have played a factor with his play.

KP has four fouls already. Gasol torching Billy. Hopefully the tank has enough fuel to get through another 10 games.

In comment 13406630 Eli Wilson said:

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In comment 13406446 nygiants16 said: Quote: looked like the pressure got to him, when my team is down i want the best player on my team to take over the game and settle the game and it seemed like he never could.. he looked content staying on the perimiter Apparently his Mom is seriously ill and was in rough enough shape that his Dad couldn't even attend the game last night. Might have played a factor with his play.

that makes sense, also looked like he was limping at the end of the game..

he just didnt look like what i have seen all season

Pop's facial expressions are priceless.

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Quite a few are at home, but hopefully that won't matter. Shut Melo down please. We don't need a random 30-point game down the stretch to beat Chicago or Detroit or something.

In terms of potential non-surprise wins:

76'ers have x2 against the Nets + Knicks (final game)

Magic have x2 against the Nets

Kings have Phoenix, Lakers, and Mavericks

Knicks have 8 straight games against either playoff teams, or fighting for the 8th seed (Pistons/Bulls/Heat), finishing with the 76'ers

Theres a chance!

Bottom 5 going into lottery. But you know the Knicks, with all those games at home, there will be 2 or 3 victories.

In comment 13406898 Carl in CT said:

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Bottom 5 going into lottery. But you know the Knicks, with all those games at home, there will be 2 or 3 victories.

i think this knee thing for melo is setting up a shut down for rest of season type thing, at least i hope

I know there is a lot of hate around here for Rose/ Melo, I actually think with one of them playing we are a better team than both. Our D is better, and one player can free lance as the focal point on offense. If our pick is Tatum/Fox would determine who I would keep. I might be in the minority as most want them both gone.

In comment 13406913 Carl in CT said:

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I know there is a lot of hate around here for Rose/ Melo, I actually think with one of them playing we are a better team than both. Our D is better, and one player can free lance as the focal point on offense. If our pick is Tatum/Fox would determine who I would keep. I might be in the minority as most want them both gone.

I think it has just gotten to the point that just blowing it up is the best option

keeping rose and getting rid of melo wouldnt be the worse thing if knicks didnt draft a point guard..

from this year as possible.

Get a PG that passes the damn ball.

In comment 13406992 giantsfan44ab said:

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from this year as possible. Get a PG that passes the damn ball.

yeah i got to this point as well..

if knicks are going to build around this years pick , kp and willy need to distance from melo and rose...

and Melo both have to go. We need to have new leadership. Focus needs to be KP, Willy and the kid we take this year in the lottery. Still digging the Sergio Rodriguez idea

In comment 13406999 DanMetroMan said:

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and Melo both have to go. We need to have new leadership. Focus needs to be KP, Willy and the kid we take this year in the lottery. Still digging the Sergio Rodriguez idea

if rose or melo would take a backseat i wouldnt having 1 back BUT neither are going to take a back seat to the young guys..

you will have a better shot at getting doncic or porter

has shown 0 indication that he cares about anything but himself. He didn't go out of his way to work with/help the kids this year, no reason to believe next season will be different. Sergio Rodriguez is nothing special but he played with Willy and I suspect he would be far better for their development. Further, he's not going to win games by himself (Rose potentially could). It's time to move on. KP may not be ready to be some vocal leader or even "the guy" but time to remove artificial barriers toward his development. Maybe he needed Melo as a rookie. He no longer does.

looks like Phil Jackson's wet dream. A basketball prodigy with off the charts IQ.

think Sergio Rodriguez also makes sense as a mentor as he's a high iq "true" PG. Lets face it, even if we draft a PG high the rookie PG isn't playing 35 minutes per night. Every single one of the top pick PG's would likely profit from having a solid vet with them.

If this is how he played defense and conducted himself while trying to get a new big contract, I'd hate to see how hard he tries when his money is locked up. Buyer beware.

In comment 13407022 PhiPsi125 said:

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If this is how he played defense and conducted himself while trying to get a new big contract, I'd hate to see how hard he tries when his money is locked up. Buyer beware.

He claims he cares about winning and not money... so if he comes back it means

Not a single good team was interested OR he's going to the highest bidder aka the Knicks valued him over the rest of the league. Either outcome = stay away.

Sure would be nice to hear from Phil when this is over.

In comment 13407031 bceagle05 said:

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Sure would be nice to hear from Phil when this is over.

I'm admittedly critical of Phil but I really do find it bizarre how he handles the media. Why doesn't he try and create the narrative instead of letting others? Get out there and speak on your terms.

and it was helpful. I remember he and Mills even held a "town hall" for fans that aired on MSG Network. People would be thrilled if he admitted we made one last attempt to build around Melo and it failed, now we're going in a new direction.

In comment 13406188 mitch300 said:

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There are only 10 games left in the season,would he have to sit out 10 next season when it is not illegal ?

The league said he will begin serving the suspension when he is physically able to play.

Through 71 games, Westbrook is averaging 31.2 pts, 10.4 assists, and 10.5 rebounds per game. Westbrook needs 76 rebounds and 85 assists in his last 11 regular season games to average the season triple double

In comment 13407039 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13407031 bceagle05 said: Quote: Sure would be nice to hear from Phil when this is over. I'm admittedly critical of Phil but I really do find it bizarre how he handles the media. Why doesn't he try and create the narrative instead of letting others? Get out there and speak on your terms.

Honestly don't think it's him.

Nobody in this city hates the media more than Dolan. Phil Jackson couldn't stop talking to the media in LA. It's how he used to get his agendas out, play mind games with refs, and tweak his players.

come back 18 down vs the Clips.

Knicks currently in a tie for 4th, but the sixers, kings and wolves are all right there.

Currently 5 could move to 4 if we tank. Come on Phil don't fuck it up!

In comment 13407318 Jon in NYC said:

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come back 18 down vs the Clips. Knicks currently in a tie for 4th, but the sixers, kings and wolves are all right there.

Sixers play Pacers now, pretty winnable.

The sixers/knicks slots will be settled on the last day of the season I feel like.

Big win for SAC. Knicks will be (un)favored in probably every single game until the Sixers matchup. I like the sound of 4th.

It's been a nice weekend for the tank, no doubt. Detroit's limping into MSG tomorrow night though. Hopefully Melo's out again.

but this melo thing seems like one of those things they are going to use rest of the season..

if the past 2 games meant anything no dkubt he plays

In comment 13407321 Carl in CT said:

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Currently 5 could move to 4 if we tank. Come on Phil don't fuck it up!

Haha, what would Phil do to fuck it up? Coach the team?

I've yet to see Monk do anything over 3 partial games I've watched. Monk is just totally uninvolved. Both have excellent athleticism though.

is growing on me too, but he needs to develop an outside shot. He just has 0 range right now.

He still seems hesitant to take anyone one on one. Scared of TOs it seems like (just speculating).

I just don't see what warrants a top 5 pick outside athleticism.

his apology?

his form is not screwed up..

he also has had good games shooting from midrange and his 3 point shot got.better as season has gone on..

it is hard not to like him

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was a good FT shooter in college too.

fucked up, but seeing Fox cry after losing today makes me want to draft him more. I just want some dudes that fucking care, are smart, and play hard.

If we ever get good, it'll be because a group of young guys who give a shit take ownership of the team. KP fits that description, but we need more.

In comment 13407406 bceagle05 said:

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If we ever get good, it'll be because a group of young guys who give a shit take ownership of the team. KP fits that description, but we need more.

It's really a culture thing. Melo is a hell of a player, but I honestly don't think he cares enough about winning.

That part I'm not worried about. Seems pretty smart, high character. A true basketball lifer.

It's just all the John Wall comps are unfairly going to be thrown around draft time.
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In comment 13407396 Jon in NYC said:

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was a good FT shooter in college too.

Man i was wrong about shump i thought he was going to be a steal

In comment 13407396 Jon in NYC said:

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was a good FT shooter in college too.

I'm actually taking a sports analytics class and my group in that class is analyzing a data set that has NBA players current and college shooting stats.

So for curiosity sake, I just went and looked at players that shot as high as Fox has from the line (74%) and as poorly as he has had from 3 (23%, before adjusting for todays game) and he'd be the first guard to do so (caveat: the data set starts from 2000).

But if you expand the query a little (70% or higher college FT%, 30% or lower college 3pt shooting), there are 8 players, 3 of which have shot better than 35% in the NBA: Mo Williams (shot 85% from FT in college), Henry Walker (?) and Kyle Weaver (also ?).

The other 5 who shot below 35% from 3 in the NBA are Tyreke Evans, Marcus smart, jeryl sasser (?), Ray McCallum, and Will Barton.

%s are strictly career numbers.

especially the Iman Shumpert (huh?) one, is that Fox is being compared to guys who did not leave college after their freshman seasons. For example, it took 3 years in college for Shumpert to be a "good" free throw shooter. As a freshman, Shumpert's shooting statistics were across the board abominable. I didn't even say that Fox was a "good" FT shooter... I just said he was better than Fultz, Ball, and Smith Jr.

Evans is probably the closest comparison, but they were clearly not the same level of athlete as freshmen (and Evans was good athlete and a high lottery pick).