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CMicks3110 : 3/26/2017 9:39 am
Start on Monday scratched. Elbow irritation. Mets downplay seriousness
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Matz threw this morning...  
ZGiants98 : 3/27/2017 10:45 am : link
The commentary from Collins yesterday is a little fishy to me. I almost wonder if they are trying to push him a bit. How hurt could he be if they went right back to letting him throw a day later?
RE: Familia  
sshin05 : 3/27/2017 10:51 am : link
In comment 13407729 DanMetroMan said:
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100% deserves to be suspended but the way they have handled this is pathetic. Why punish the Mets? Why not give them a chance to prep?


I know very strange. It sounds like MLB doesnt know what they are doing more or less.
RE: I don't want Niese back  
sshin05 : 3/27/2017 10:55 am : link
In comment 13407625 Metnut said:
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here again, but he gave the Mets some really solid years on some bad teams. Sad that his arm gave out when the team finally got good again.


Very true. Some of his injuries probably have led to his demise. How the heck did we get Walker for him and got out of Bastardo's contract?
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DanMetroMan : 3/27/2017 10:57 am : link
Mets pitching coach Dan Warthen said Monday that Steven Matz is working on shortening his arm angle to put "less bang" on his troublesome left elbow.
Altering pitching mechanics to compensate for discomfort in a specific area is often how minor injuries turn into major injuries. Matz has been scratched from his final turn in the Grapefruit League rotation due to irritation in his left elbow, and he felt some lingering tightness Monday while throwing on flat ground from 70 feet. The young southpaw is ticketed for the 10-day disabled list to open the 2017 regular season. Seth Lugo is probably going to take his spot.
Source: David Lennon on TwitterMar 27 - 10:40 AM
I guess  
sshin05 : 3/27/2017 10:59 am : link
this means Monty is going to make the team.
RE: Familia  
Shecky : 3/27/2017 11:01 am : link
In comment 13407729 DanMetroMan said:
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100% deserves to be suspended but the way they have handled this is pathetic. Why punish the Mets? Why not give them a chance to prep?

Regardless of how it looks (or what eventually is said publicly) - there are no surprises...
Good chart to look at  
Shecky : 3/27/2017 11:07 am : link
Article will be boring for most, but summarized in the chart
Mets projected injuries - ( New Window )
Well I guess thats that  
ZGiants98 : 3/27/2017 11:09 am : link
then in regards to Matz. Hopefully, he's back soon.
I have a feeling this is going to be the norm  
pjcas18 : 3/27/2017 11:12 am : link
for Matz. Every start he does make you're going to hold your breath hoping he gets through it and doesn't wind up on the DL or another TJ after the start.

I guess it's kind of gravy though in some regards because at one point I thought I read his career was almost over before it even really started with all the arm injuries in the minors and the difficult recovery.
Lugo and  
Ron Johnson : 3/27/2017 11:17 am : link
Gsellman have earned it.

The Mets are right to send a message to Wheeler and Matz.
Familia ruling could come today....  
ZGiants98 : 3/27/2017 2:08 pm : link
Eddie Coleman supposedly heard 2 weeks.
Lugo is having a bad day....  
ZGiants98 : 3/27/2017 2:10 pm : link
Wheeler is having a good day topping at 97 MPH.
RE: Familia ruling could come today....  
Metnut : 3/27/2017 2:12 pm : link
In comment 13408058 ZGiants98 said:
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Eddie Coleman supposedly heard 2 weeks.


Would be less than people were expecting but maybe we shouldn't be surprised. The facts re: Chapman were worse and more conclusive than Familia so a lesser suspension would make sense.
Wheeler  
ZGiants98 : 3/27/2017 2:13 pm : link
4 IP 1H 0R 0ER 1BB 2SO
Matz going on DL  
speedywheels : 3/27/2017 2:14 pm : link
Like clockwork, lol.

Poor kid just can't put together a full season...
RE: RE: Familia ruling could come today....  
ZGiants98 : 3/27/2017 2:14 pm : link
In comment 13408066 Metnut said:
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In comment 13408058 ZGiants98 said:


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Eddie Coleman supposedly heard 2 weeks.



Would be less than people were expecting but maybe we shouldn't be surprised. The facts re: Chapman were worse and more conclusive than Familia so a lesser suspension would make sense.


Agree 100% and Ive said that since the beginning. If Chapman got 30, Familia should get less.
Should say Wheeler got through 4 innings in only  
ZGiants98 : 3/27/2017 2:17 pm : link
52 pitches which had been in an issue in the past.
If Wheeler and Lugo were auditioning  
ZGiants98 : 3/27/2017 2:22 pm : link
for Matz's spot during his 10 day DL stint today, Wheeler won hands down.
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ZGiants98 : 3/27/2017 2:23 pm : link
Matt Ehalt @MattEhalt
Only hit Wheeler has allowed through four is to the opposing pitcher. Four scoreless almost entire Miami starting offense.
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ZGiants98 : 3/27/2017 2:35 pm : link
David Lennon ✔ @DPLennon
Lugo's done: 4.1 IP, 8 H, 4 R, 0 BB, 3 SO, 3 HR. 83 pitches.
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ZGiants98 : 3/27/2017 2:36 pm : link
Anthony DiComo ✔ @AnthonyDiComo
Final lines for Mets candidates...

Lugo:
4.1 IP, 8 H, 4 ER, 0 BB, 3 K, 83 pitches

Wheeler:
5.0 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 3 K, 70 pitches
Gilmartin  
DanMetroMan : 3/27/2017 2:44 pm : link
has a shoulder injury. "Smart" of him to let this be known now, gets to collect MLB money.
Tebow  
DanMetroMan : 3/27/2017 2:46 pm : link
saw 7 pitches from Scherzer over 2 ab's, 6 strikes lol
TJ is heating up...  
ZGiants98 : 3/27/2017 2:50 pm : link
Matt Ehalt @MattEhalt
TJ Rivera with a three-run homer off a lefty.
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ZGiants98 : 3/27/2017 2:50 pm : link
Mike Puma ✔ @NYPost_Mets
Mets brass is supposed to meet tomorrow to hammer out the roster. Wheeler has sure made a case for inclusion.
John Maine  
Shecky : 3/27/2017 2:53 pm : link
With another good outing today
Looks  
DanMetroMan : 3/27/2017 2:59 pm : link
likely Wheeler wins the spot but opens on the DL. Under the new rules he'd be eligible to return as game 5 aka no downside.
Lagares  
DanMetroMan : 3/27/2017 3:02 pm : link
and Nimmo expected to open on the DL which means after all of that Conforto ends up making it.
I honestly didn't think Wheeler would seriously be considered...  
ZGiants98 : 3/27/2017 3:02 pm : link
since he's going to be on a strict pitch count this year. Im thrilled he's pitching well though.
Personally  
DanMetroMan : 3/27/2017 3:04 pm : link
I would have gone with Lugo. Wheeler has absolutely no chance of opening the year in the rotation and still pitching into September let alone helping in the playoffs. I guess they will just accept that. I'd still go with Lugo and open Wheeler in the minors but I have no say lol
RE: John Maine  
spike : 3/27/2017 3:04 pm : link
In comment 13408142 Shecky said:
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With another good outing today


I thought he went into coaching.
John Maine?  
Rob in Rockaway : 3/27/2017 3:07 pm : link
THAT John Maine?
RE: John Maine?  
DanMetroMan : 3/27/2017 3:07 pm : link
In comment 13408170 Rob in Rockaway said:
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THAT John Maine?


Shecky refers to Wheeler as John Maine
Interesting  
DanMetroMan : 3/27/2017 3:08 pm : link
that Darling sort of questioned Matz's "toughness" and then the articles come out where Sandy apparently seemed frustrated with him.
Sort of reminds me of last year when  
ZGiants98 : 3/27/2017 3:10 pm : link
the organization was pissed at Montero. MRI's came back clean but he kept complaining that he was hurt. Who knows.
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ZGiants98 : 3/27/2017 3:11 pm : link
Michael Mayer @themainemets
1-2-3 inning for Paul Sewald who continues his great spring and could find himself in the Mets bullpen very soon.
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ZGiants98 : 3/27/2017 3:12 pm : link
Anthony DiComo ✔ @AnthonyDiComo
Zack Wheeler: "I think today proved that I am ready." #Mets
RE: RE: John Maine?  
Rob in Rockaway : 3/27/2017 3:12 pm : link
In comment 13408172 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13408170 Rob in Rockaway said:


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THAT John Maine?



Shecky refers to Wheeler as John Maine


Thought I was losing it lol
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ZGiants98 : 3/27/2017 3:16 pm : link
Mike Puma ✔ @NYPost_Mets
Mets brass was impressed by Wheeler. On thing they will discuss is whether he has the stamina right now for rotation.
RE: Interesting  
Metnut : 3/27/2017 3:17 pm : link
In comment 13408173 DanMetroMan said:
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that Darling sort of questioned Matz's "toughness" and then the articles come out where Sandy apparently seemed frustrated with him.


It's a hard spot for him though no? Wouldn't you rather him "over-report" mild elbow soreness/tenderness and let the trainers/doctors make the decision on how to proceed rather than him try to pitch through it? Harvey tried to pitch through things for a while last year, despite there clearly being an issue, and he got rocked a bunch of times and neither him nor the Mets were better off for it.

I get that we need more innings from Matz, but I'm more than OK with him taking it a bit easy here in March if something didn't feel right.
RE: Sort of reminds me of last year when  
Shecky : 3/27/2017 3:19 pm : link
In comment 13408177 ZGiants98 said:
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the organization was pissed at Montero. MRI's came back clean but he kept complaining that he was hurt. Who knows.


I don't see their situations as comparable
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ZGiants98 : 3/27/2017 3:19 pm : link
David Lennon ✔ @DPLennon
Lugo said he had trouble downshifting from high intensity of WBC.
RE: RE: Interesting  
DanMetroMan : 3/27/2017 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13408195 Metnut said:
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In comment 13408173 DanMetroMan said:


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that Darling sort of questioned Matz's "toughness" and then the articles come out where Sandy apparently seemed frustrated with him.



It's a hard spot for him though no? Wouldn't you rather him "over-report" mild elbow soreness/tenderness and let the trainers/doctors make the decision on how to proceed rather than him try to pitch through it? Harvey tried to pitch through things for a while last year, despite there clearly being an issue, and he got rocked a bunch of times and neither him nor the Mets were better off for it.

I get that we need more innings from Matz, but I'm more than OK with him taking it a bit easy here in March if something didn't feel right.


I'm not one to judge someone else's health. I have absolutely no clue regarding Matz. I was merely commenting on the fact that Darling sort of threw it out there and then Sandy (apparently, because I'm only reading the quotes in the paper) displayed some frustration. It just leads me to believe this is an ongoing theme. Not taking sides either way.
Fab five to start the season  
spike : 3/27/2017 3:22 pm : link
Thor Degrom Harvey Gselman Wheeler
I  
DanMetroMan : 3/27/2017 3:23 pm : link
still go with Lugo given the choice all things considered but I'm guessing it's Wheeler.
Rather  
sshin05 : 3/27/2017 3:24 pm : link
go with Lugo too since Wheeler innings limit could be a problem, but i guess they'll cross that bridge when they get there.
I'm actually  
sshin05 : 3/27/2017 3:25 pm : link
more excited by Gsellman than the others.
RE: Rather  
DanMetroMan : 3/27/2017 3:26 pm : link
In comment 13408220 sshin05 said:
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go with Lugo too since Wheeler innings limit could be a problem, but i guess they'll cross that bridge when they get there.


But you are guaranteed not having Wheeler at the end of the season. It's as if his innings limit is 175 and maybe they push it to 200. His stated limit is 125. There is simply no way for him to go all season + playoffs with a limit anywhere near there (that doesn't even include his impact on the pen as he builds up innings). Do we know he can go a consistent 6 innings when he's yet to do so?
Bryce  
DanMetroMan : 3/27/2017 3:31 pm : link
Harper is going to have a monster season:(
RE: RE: Sort of reminds me of last year when  
ZGiants98 : 3/27/2017 3:51 pm : link
In comment 13408201 Shecky said:
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In comment 13408177 ZGiants98 said:


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the organization was pissed at Montero. MRI's came back clean but he kept complaining that he was hurt. Who knows.



I don't see their situations as comparable


That's interesting. Mets brass was frustrated with Montero because his MRI's were clean but he was complaining of pain. The insinuation from Mets brass might be that they are frustrated with Matz because his MRI was clean but he was complaining of pain.
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