Lots of people on this site are supporting throwing yet another premium pick at the OL. There a ton of reasons not to do that. The first is there will be players with much higher ceilings at other positions which will be available at number 23. In fact, with it becoming more clear this week at least 2 QB's will be taken before number 23 it looks to me like it is at least 50/50 that Njoku will be there at our pick. Regardless, one of Njoku, Cook, Reddick, Cunningham, Williams will be there. First round is your opportunity to get a great player not just a player who is good and helps with a need. You need to be thinking the next 8 to 10 years not just about 2017.
The other problem is that a fourth premium pick on OL is REALLY BAD roster construction and cap allocation. You spend a premium pick on a blue goose left tackle...that's it. The other positions are filled by drafting OL in rounds 2 to 5. You draft them in those rounds and you draft them often! Those guys are talented and they are motivated to make a name for themselves. This creates lots of competition and guys pushing each other. More importantly, when a guy becomes over priced you can let him walk because you have guys coming up from below. Have you seen what O-linemen have been paid in free agency??? Its ridiculous. If we pick OL at #23 Jerry will have tried to draft a left tackle on three separate occasions and we could possibly STILL be searching for a LT. Follow the Patriot's model. They draft a solid LT in Solder at #17 and the rest of their OL is is made up of Theiry (3rd round), Andrews (FA), Mason (4th round) and Cannon (5th round). Remember Snee (2nd round) O'Hara (FA) and Seibert (FA). Those guys worked out okay didn't they??? Also, part of the reason the offense has looked bad is that the only true playmaker is OBJ. Use the first round to get difference makers on offense and defense. Use rounds 2 to 5 to pick a couple of OL each year to create a good talent base and maximize competition. Jerry...PLEASE NO OL AT #23!!!!!
Since 2010 the Giants have drafted 6 OL after the second round.
These picks include; Petrus (5), Brewer (4), Mosely(4) , McCants (6), Herman (7), and Hart (7). None of these players had starting ability. Hart is still questionable.
The Giants have drafted 3 OL in the first 2 rounds and all three are starting. It appears that if the Giants want to improve the line through the draft it must be a premium pick.
Also this is a particularly weak draft for tackles,
I'm all for giving Flowers a chance to develop, but we still have holes on the OL a low pick could help. And I'm not saying we need one in round 1, or reach if the value isn't there (as the Giants judge the player, not draft boards), but I'd like one by rd 3 to add competition. And I wouldn't mind a round 1 TE, which also may help the OL (along w/Ellison).
The Giants have drafted 3 OL in the first 2 rounds and all three are starting. It appears that if the Giants want to improve the line through the draft it must be a premium pick.
Archer, of those 3, one is "pretty good" (Pugh), one is somewhat questionable (Richburg), and 1 has shown he isn't good at all so far (Flowers).
So, the Giants can waste picks on the Oline at any round and screw it up with the best of 'em. They need better Oline, TE and LB scouts, IMO.
If the Giants have a grade on Robinson, Ramczyk, or Bolles that is equal to or greater than any other prospect available when they are on the clock, they should take the OL. Period. Exclamation Point.
And I suspect they will. Myles Garrett, John Allen, and Solomon Thomas are not making it to pick #23....
...2nd round choice.
We need a talent upgrade along the O-line.
I'll take that wherever and whenever I can.
Round One
Round Two
Round Three
Whatever.
Our O-line has sucked since 2012.
Oh and he works his butt off as I witnessed him reviewing the free agent list and reviewing tape on his iPad while on a treadmill with his very hot girlfriend looking over his other shoulder.
The Giants have not improved the OL this year via free agency.
The Giants need to find at least one more starting quality OL if they intend to improve the OL.
This can be done through the draft, trades, or free agency.
Since the Giants hardly ever trade, and they have not demonstrated an inclination to spend money on a quality free agent OL, it seems that the draft is the Giants only remaining option.
If the intention is to find a player in the draft who can contribute this year, that player would have to be drafted in the first round.
There are only 4-5 OL who are projected to be starters in the first year.
And the odds of finding a quality first year starter diminish significantly each round.
I do not propose that the Giants reach for a player. If there is no quality OL at the time they draft, I would either trade down or draft the best player available.
You can have a good player on a poor unit.
If the Giants draft board looks anything like that, we should be crossing our fingers that one of the three OT's (Robinson, Ramczyk, and Bolles) is still available when the Giants are on the clock.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Giants drafted 2 Oline players. Remember, Pugh is probably looking for the same money Snacks makes and he'll get it somewhere.
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that OL should be selected in the first few rounds of every draft. constantly build and fortify the line. we've seen what it looks like when it gets neglected.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Giants drafted 2 Oline players. Remember, Pugh is probably looking for the same money Snacks makes and he'll get it somewhere.
Let me know players who are rated 1st rounders that are not 1st round talent. Why we should steer clear of certain players, but not positions. Unless they take a kicker, punter or FB in the 1st I would be open to anything. We need talent, get the coaches the talent and they can win.
But this offseason they restructured almost every major contract they had and still lost heavily in the defensive secondary and failed to sign the free agent pass rusher they craved.
With a defense average at best, and mortgaged up to the hilt, Dallas doesn't look so scary.
Difference was a guy at QB that didn;t make many mistakes, and they added a great RB.
It's not just the OL - Dallas has one virtually nothing with their OL. If Prescot goes down, or goes the way of Nick Foles, their OL won't bail them out, they didn't in 2015. You need top skill players to win Super Bowls.
Giants have simply made some terrible choices over the last ten years in the draft which is why the offensive line has been a weakness the last five years.
There was no replacement in the pipeline for Chris Snee, Sean O'Hara, David Diehl. Will Beatty had durability issues throughout his career. Free Agent pickups like David Baas, JD Walton and Geof Schwartz proved to be stop gap players instead of solutions.
OT, so be it. Another WR, so be it. More talent with game changing upside is a good thing, don't care how deep anyone thinks we are at any 1 position, you are never deep enough in the NFL.
Giants have simply made some terrible choices over the last ten years in the draft which is why the offensive line has been a weakness the last five years.
There was no replacement in the pipeline for Chris Snee, Sean O'Hara, David Diehl. Will Beatty had durability issues throughout his career. Free Agent pickups like David Baas, JD Walton and Geof Schwartz proved to be stop gap players instead of solutions.
My one quibble is that the Giants' row system means that there can be more than one "best player available" on their board at any one time. If the top row left on their board has five guys in it, then there are five BPAs. In that case, need breaks the tie.
I agree 100% that if there's an OT in their top row when they're on the clock in the first, they'll take him. If not, they won't.