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Round 1 (23rd) — Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin Off the board: LB Zach Cunningham, LB Haason Reddick, TE David Njoku, Other players considered: RB Christian McCaffrey, TE O.J. Howard, DE Taco Charlton, DE Derek Barnett, DE Charles Harris, OL Cam Robinson I could have gone several ways here. There is a group of Giants fans who will pan me for not selecting Alabama tight end O.J. Howard. I know that. I believe, though, that fixing the offensive line is more important that adding a tight end, and getting a guy most think can be an instant starter at a tackle spot was something I wasn’t going to pass up. Also, with the depth of tight ends in this draft I felt confident I could get a good one later on. I would have been really tempted to take Reddick or Cunningham here, but both were already off the board. Bolles, incidentally, was still available. Ramczyk, oddly, is ranked N0. 23 on our newest prospect Big Board. Here is some what Chris(?) wrote in his Ramczyk prospect profile: There is a lot to like about Ryan Ramczyk, though some of it depends on your perspective. Is his injury a problem or does playing through it show off his mental toughness? Does the fact that he only has one year of major college football make him a risk, or does it illustrate his work ethic? Regardless of your feelings on those potential risks, he does enough well already to suggest a player who can step in and contribute from Day 1, and only get better with more experience and coaching. On the field for Wisconsin, Ramczyk looks like an NFL tackle. He is a brutish run blocker, which has to interest a team that can’t run the ball, and a solid pass protector. He, of course, has issues that need coaching up, but he doesn’t have some of the issues that plague many college tackles coming out. The question is if he falls to the Giants, will they have the stomach for his potential risks? Round 2 (55th) — Jordan Willis, DE, Kansas State Round 3 — Bucky Hodges, TE, Virginia Tech Round 4 — Samaje Perine, RB, Oklahoma Round 5 — Jerod Evans, QB, Virginia Tech Round 6 — Zane Gonzalez, PK, Arizona State Round 7 — Nate Hairston, CB, Temple |
I don't follow ncaa k's, so I couldn't tell you if the 6th is a wise spot for a kicker or not. I'd rather go somewhere else than Evans in the 5th. Unless Webb falls into their laps at 55, I don't think I'd be using a pick on a QB in this draft.
I think he effectively acknowledged that (re realism), but nevertheless weighed in with reasons why
An ungawdly amount of smoke around this time. It will worsen
Not only is there no way Howard is there at 23, but there is no way that Njoku goes before him.
I hate the Bucky pick. The guy is not a TE, but a slot wr. He was literally laughed at by Mayock and co. when he demonstrated his ability to get in a 3-point stance in the blocking drills at the combine.
In addition, with their knowledge of training camps, it is likely that RR could not beat out Flowers at LT, Fluker at RT in a fair camp where management is not trying to justify logic defying picks.
Adjusting for risk, not at all impressed.
And then a roster space waste in drafting a project QB (who will likely never pan out), when they just re-signed Josh Johnson for two more years and added Geno Smith, with Eli under contract for the next 3 seasons? Why on earth would the Giants do that?
And then draft a kicker? Just horrible. Zane Gonzalez isn't even all that.
Basically, I like the first round pick but after that it's one of the worst mock drafts I've ever seen in my entire life.
And then a roster space waste in drafting a project QB (who will likely never pan out), when they just re-signed Josh Johnson for two more years and added Geno Smith, with Eli under contract for the next 3 seasons? Why on earth would the Giants do that?
And then draft a kicker? Just horrible. Zane Gonzalez isn't even all that.
Basically, I like the first round pick but after that it's one of the worst mock drafts I've ever seen in my entire life.
Given the countless crap that's been out there the last three or more decades, that's quite the hyperbole..But, hey...
In 1984 the Giants were coming off a 3-12-1 season and had needs everywhere. Everywhere, that is, except outside linebacker. Lawrence Taylor, Byron Hunt and Andy Headon were all 25 or younger. And yet, with the third pick overall they took another outside linebacker, Carl Banks. I don't think they regretted it. Valentine wouldn't have taken him either.
In 2010 the Giants had Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora and Matthias Kiwanuka at defensive end. In the first round that year they took another, Jason Pierre-Paul. They haven't regretted that one either.
Teams that use the draft to "address their needs" will be addressing the same needs year after year, over and over. They never get any better. The Rams have been addressing their need at offensive tackle for years. Alex Barron. Jason Smith. Greg Robinson. All first round picks (Smith and Robinson each went second overall). None of them could play worth anything.
The Giants will take the player with the highest grade, the player with the best chance to succeed in pro football. That's how you get better.
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Jordan Willis in the 2nd? Why would the Giants make a premium investment in a 3rd DE, who will be signed for 4 years with no 5th year option, when they have both Vernon and JPP signed also for the next 4 years?
And then a roster space waste in drafting a project QB (who will likely never pan out), when they just re-signed Josh Johnson for two more years and added Geno Smith, with Eli under contract for the next 3 seasons? Why on earth would the Giants do that?
And then draft a kicker? Just horrible. Zane Gonzalez isn't even all that.
Basically, I like the first round pick but after that it's one of the worst mock drafts I've ever seen in my entire life.
Given the countless crap that's been out there the last three or more decades, that's quite the hyperbole..But, hey...
I thought about it for a second and still said, yup, one of the worst I've ever seen. The picks after the first are that nonsensical.
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Jordan Willis in the 2nd? Why would the Giants make a premium investment in a 3rd DE, who will be signed for 4 years with no 5th year option, when they have both Vernon and JPP signed also for the next 4 years?
And then a roster space waste in drafting a project QB (who will likely never pan out), when they just re-signed Josh Johnson for two more years and added Geno Smith, with Eli under contract for the next 3 seasons? Why on earth would the Giants do that?
And then draft a kicker? Just horrible. Zane Gonzalez isn't even all that.
Basically, I like the first round pick but after that it's one of the worst mock drafts I've ever seen in my entire life.
Given the countless crap that's been out there the last three or more decades, that's quite the hyperbole..But, hey...
I thought about it for a second and still said, yup, one of the worst I've ever seen. The picks after the first are that nonsensical.
I disagree. I like Perine in the 4th and Hairston in the 7th.
Based on his combine, Willis is likely to be selected before #55, although the Giants did meet with him.
I agree the Giants may take a day three developmental QB like Evans, but I hope they don't. I would prefer they not take a QB this year, but if they do, it should be in the first or second round.
In 1984 the Giants were coming off a 3-12-1 season and had needs everywhere. Everywhere, that is, except outside linebacker. Lawrence Taylor, Byron Hunt and Andy Headon were all 25 or younger. And yet, with the third pick overall they took another outside linebacker, Carl Banks. I don't think they regretted it. Valentine wouldn't have taken him either.
In 2010 the Giants had Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora and Matthias Kiwanuka at defensive end. In the first round that year they took another, Jason Pierre-Paul. They haven't regretted that one either.
Teams that use the draft to "address their needs" will be addressing the same needs year after year, over and over. They never get any better. The Rams have been addressing their need at offensive tackle for years. Alex Barron. Jason Smith. Greg Robinson. All first round picks (Smith and Robinson each went second overall). None of them could play worth anything.
The Giants will take the player with the highest grade, the player with the best chance to succeed in pro football. That's how you get better.
The Giants marry need w rankings. Almost all teams do. They didn't always draft the highest rated guy. My bet is Gurley was rated higher than Flowers when the pick came up. I'm sure there were a few others too. Just not that much higher. So people whom insist teams always draft BPA are just wrong. Sometimes they just can't pass on a guy like Banks but when you have glaring holes teams often will take a slightly less rated guy. Suppose the best rated guy on their board is a WR this year. The Giants would pass on a LB FS OL or TE whose grade is a bit less for a 4th WR? Not a chance
I agree. Gotta think about the player most likely to help the offense in 2017 and beyond.
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The Giants would pass on a LB FS OL or TE whose grade is a bit less for a 4th WR? Not a chance
If Williams is there, I think he would be the pick, except if Howard is there.
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The Giants would pass on a LB FS OL or TE whose grade is a bit less for a 4th WR? Not a chance
If Williams is there, I think he would be the pick, except if Howard is there.
Totally disagree. Don't think they want a 4th WR. They don't need him. Heck you can make an argument for a CB or FS or a TE. Williams won't be the pick. It's a weak year for WRs. I think he goes around 15-20
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The Giants would pass on a LB FS OL or TE whose grade is a bit less for a 4th WR? Not a chance
If Williams is there, I think he would be the pick, except if Howard is there.
Totally disagree. Don't think they want a 4th WR. They don't need him. Heck you can make an argument for a CB or FS or a TE. Williams won't be the pick. It's a weak year for WRs. I think he goes around 15-20
I agree he's gone by 23 (Williams), but if he's there and he is the top player on the board, I doubt they pass to take a lesser level player. If he is in the same tier as a CB, DE and maybe a TE (Howard and maybe Njoku) then they will pick one of the others. You take the best player and worry about the rest later.
Yes, if you grade that FS well enough. Thompson had an injury label in the draft. He hasn't proven anything.
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FS drafted high as we have Darian Thompson waiting in the wings?
Yes, if you grade that FS well enough. Thompson had an injury label in the draft. He hasn't proven anything.
He had an injury label in the draft? As I recall, he missed two games as a Senior (concussion). That was it.
Especially with the insane prices being paid for mediocre LTs like REiff and Okung.
I wouldn't hate Ramcyk in RD 1, if we like his medical. Or any OL, including Lamp, guard or not.
I agree 100%, you have to go the superior talent OJ, in this scenario.
But as much as I want to bolster early the worse unit on the team, along with Howard, there is no way I'm passing on McCaffrey for Ramcyck either. I loved the Perkins pick in the 5th rd. last year. However, Ed's son, takes our offense to a totally different level.
In 1984 the Giants were coming off a 3-12-1 season and had needs everywhere. Everywhere, that is, except outside linebacker. Lawrence Taylor, Byron Hunt and Andy Headon were all 25 or younger. And yet, with the third pick overall they took another outside linebacker, Carl Banks. I don't think they regretted it. Valentine wouldn't have taken him either.
In 2010 the Giants had Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora and Matthias Kiwanuka at defensive end. In the first round that year they took another, Jason Pierre-Paul. They haven't regretted that one either.
A 3-11 team at Pick #3 Drafts the best player available...PERIOD---with the exception of a QB, when they don't need a QB. Pick #3 was Banks. Pick #15, years later, was JPP--- and if a Freak Pass Rusher drops to 23, He will be a Giant!!!!...GUARANTEED!!!!!....otherwise, I believe a TE or a DT will carry a heavy weighting.
An 11 win team at 23 is likely to be swayed by NEED--- there is some likelihood that a #23 Left tackle will be more Project than Instant Impact.
This year the Giants have greatly reduced the number of their immediate needs, (they could struggle through hoping their oline will mature) so that they are much less dependent on what other teams do. In essence they have already procured both overcoat and umbrella. So it is time to stop worrying about the present weather.
Thus, just ignore present needs, and plan for the long term health and potential of the team, pick younger, tougher, more durable, prospects with upside, even if they look somewhat raw now. (eg JPP). Even a QB, if the opportunity arises. Put simply, take the best player available.