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Looks like it will be the Vegas Raiders

jeff57 : 3/27/2017 8:10 am
Per Schefter:


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Sure sounds like the Raiders have all the votes they need today to move to Las Vegas. Get used to...the Las Vegas Raiders.


Feel bad for the great Oakland fans. Lose the Raiders twice. In the league where money is all that matters.

Vegas  
English Alaister : 3/27/2017 8:15 am : link
is a city on the cusp of a serious water problem. It wouldn't be high on my list of places to move an NFL team to.
it will be a 9th home game for the visitors  
Victor in CT : 3/27/2017 8:50 am : link
........
Good for them  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 3/27/2017 9:00 am : link
glad to see them get out of the hell hole of Oakland.
RE: Vegas  
AnnapolisMike : 3/27/2017 9:04 am : link
In comment 13407537 English Alaister said:
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is a city on the cusp of a serious water problem. It wouldn't be high on my list of places to move an NFL team to.


No different than the entire SW. Building a city in the desert is never a great idea.

Money talks
Young players with a lot of free time  
Section331 : 3/27/2017 9:26 am : link
and a lot of cash in Vegas sounds to me like a recipe for disaster.
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jeff57 : 3/27/2017 9:55 am : link
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Before the Oakland Raiders play their first game in Las Vegas, the NFL will change a pretty important rule.

For the first time, the league will allow referees and other on-field officials into the city.

Yes, you read that correctly.

To guard against even the appearance of a conflict, the league has for decades prohibited its officials from visiting Las Vegas at any point during the season -- with the exception of personal emergencies or mandatory meetings for their non-NFL jobs. They are allowed to visit in the offseason, provided they inform the NFL office. But even then, they are barred from sportsbooks.


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jeff57 : 3/27/2017 9:56 am : link
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So we can call them the  
DonQuixote : 3/27/2017 10:23 am : link
Vaiders?
RE: So we can call them the  
jeff57 : 3/27/2017 10:24 am : link
In comment 13407688 DonQuixote said:
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Vaiders?

The Invaiders.
Another Goodell disaster in the making  
moespree : 3/27/2017 11:00 am : link
I will admit if I'm wrong, but I can't see anyway even remotely that they are still in Vegas 10 years from now. I do not think they will even make it a decade there.
Las Vegas Rhinos  
Chris684 : 3/27/2017 11:21 am : link
Great name to fit in the with the true feel of the city.
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Mdgiantsfan : 3/27/2017 11:34 am : link
I used to be stationed in Vegas when I was in the military and always longed for a professional sports team in that city. Glad it may finally come to fruition. But at the same time, Raider football outside of Oakland feels unnatural.
I think all the people wringing their hands  
Gman11 : 3/27/2017 11:42 am : link
because it's Las Vegas are crazy. It's not like there isn't gambling, nightlife, hookers, etc. in any other big city.

However, the Raiders fans are the ones getting the shaft. They have been pretty loyal to a team that hasn't done shit in 15 years. The fans (customers) are never considered in these decisions.
Vegas is booming, this will be terrific  
gtt350 : 3/27/2017 11:59 am : link
the water issue really isn't bad in that we had record snowfalls this year
and will use the Israel system of converting sea water to drinking water 50 years from now.

the Stadium will benefit UNLV who will play there as well as entertainment, soccer and talk of even final four basketball.

I have been a Jersey boy my whole life, moving here has been an epiphany
just fabulous. 75 degrees today and the rest of the week, surrounded by snow cover mountains, legalized pot to boot
RE: Vegas is booming, this will be terrific  
Stan in LA : 3/27/2017 12:02 pm : link
In comment 13407858 gtt350 said:
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the water issue really isn't bad in that we had record snowfalls this year
and will use the Israel system of converting sea water to drinking water 50 years from now.

the Stadium will benefit UNLV who will play there as well as entertainment, soccer and talk of even final four basketball.

I have been a Jersey boy my whole life, moving here has been an epiphany
just fabulous. 75 degrees today and the rest of the week, surrounded by snow cover mountains, legalized pot to boot


All true, but Vegas in the summer is a HELLHOLE. No two ways about it.
Vegas in the summer is not bad at all, first off the strip  
gtt350 : 3/27/2017 12:09 pm : link
which most people think is vegas is 5 to 7 degrees cooler.
Summerlin up in the Red Rock canyon where I am is a stones throw away from Mt Charleston which is 20 degrees cooler at 9000 ft.
many people also use the summer as travel months so going to California, flying to Hawaii, taking a cruise to Alaska or even flying back east to visit are all options. I flew back to Jersey last August and said holy shit 90's and humid sucks. it's all good though
Stan also there is this new marvelous technology  
gtt350 : 3/27/2017 12:11 pm : link
called air conditioning, works great. I kid.
Stan you're a good guy
RE: So we can call them the  
superspynyg : 3/27/2017 12:21 pm : link
In comment 13407688 DonQuixote said:
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Vaiders?



mooch off Star Wars...The Vaders. AWSOME!!!
What about the Vipers?  
jeff57 : 3/27/2017 12:25 pm : link

at least we won't be calling them the Golden Knights  
gtt350 : 3/27/2017 12:34 pm : link
what a terrible name for a hockey team imho.
RE: Vegas is booming, this will be terrific  
ErichBarnes102 : 3/27/2017 12:57 pm : link
In comment 13407858 gtt350 said:
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the water issue really isn't bad in that we had record snowfalls this year

So Lake Mead is down what - only 140 ft. or so? Awesome ;)

RE: Vegas is booming, this will be terrific  
santacruzom : 3/27/2017 1:04 pm : link
In comment 13407858 gtt350 said:
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the water issue really isn't bad in that we had record snowfalls this year
and will use the Israel system of converting sea water to drinking water 50 years from now.


So what about the 48 years between this year, and 50 years from now?
Schefter  
jeff57 : 3/27/2017 2:07 pm : link
Raiders to Vegas: 31-1 Miami opposed, per source
RE: RE: Vegas is booming, this will be terrific  
BH28 : 3/27/2017 2:09 pm : link
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the water issue really isn't bad in that we had record snowfalls this year
and will use the Israel system of converting sea water to drinking water 50 years from now.



So what about the 48 years between this year, and 50 years from now?


I don't think us Californians have any right to give anyone else shit about their drought conditions. How is the Raiders in OAK any different than the Raiders in LAS from a drought perspective?
LaCanfora  
jeff57 : 3/27/2017 2:15 pm : link
Expectation among some in the vote meeting is that Raiders would play next 2yrs in Oakland though that could change over time

Talk about home field advantage  
LCtheINTMachine : 3/27/2017 2:29 pm : link
How do you keep the visiting team in check over there? These are sex-crazed, super-rich ballers we are talking about, there's already enough shorties over there.

On the flip side, this is great news for our Odell Beckham! That'll be a prime-time game for sure if we ever play there.
Never mind  
LCtheINTMachine : 3/27/2017 2:31 pm : link
According to Kratch, the Giants won't have the opportunity to play the Raiders in Las Vegas until 2025. Odell will be 32 by then and who knows A - if he'll be on our team and B - if isn't ball and chained by then. Not that the latter would slow him down in Vegas.
So whos moving to  
spike : 3/27/2017 2:38 pm : link
Oakland next?

Jacksonville?
now is the time  
Sasuke : 3/27/2017 2:41 pm : link
to buy property in vegas... it will quad its value in 15 years
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gtt350 : 3/27/2017 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13407978 santacruzom said:
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our water source is the Colorado river not lake Mead


the water issue really isn't bad in that we had record snowfalls this year
and will use the Israel system of converting sea water to drinking water 50 years from now.



So what about the 48 years between this year, and 50 years from now?
RE: now is the time  
RobCarpenter : 3/27/2017 2:57 pm : link
In comment 13408123 Sasuke said:
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to buy property in vegas... it will quad its value in 15 years


Weren't people saying that in 2006?
Rob people made a fortune flipping houses  
gtt350 : 3/27/2017 3:04 pm : link
back then until the crash.
RE: Rob people made a fortune flipping houses  
RobCarpenter : 3/27/2017 3:09 pm : link
In comment 13408162 gtt350 said:
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back then until the crash.


And a bunch of people totally lost their shirts as well, see the article below.

Not meant as a criticism of Las Vegas, just making the point that trying to make money off of increases in Real Estate is very risky.
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Sasuke : 3/27/2017 3:23 pm : link
In comment 13408174 RobCarpenter said:
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back then until the crash.



And a bunch of people totally lost their shirts as well, see the article below.

Not meant as a criticism of Las Vegas, just making the point that trying to make money off of increases in Real Estate is very risky. Bankruptcy surges - ( New Window )


Im thinking buying to own and rent out, flipping is extremely risky, renting is profitable in small increments until closure then the dollars roll in.
people owning 2nd homes to rent is very popular out here  
gtt350 : 3/27/2017 3:49 pm : link
look not to be political but the push in 2006 that everyone should be able to own a house was sheer lunacy. loans were given to people with no chance of sustaining a mortgage.
What's the over/under on the first dumbass player who....  
Crispino : 3/27/2017 4:38 pm : link
manages to get his picture taken on somebody's cellphone in the company of a bookie?
that will be a concern if that shows  
gtt350 : 3/27/2017 5:21 pm : link
up on the sportsbooks
I hate when billionaire owners  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 3/28/2017 6:11 am : link
try to milk $ from the taxpayers. Build your own damn stadium.
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jeff57 : 3/28/2017 7:54 am : link
In comment 13408739 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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try to milk $ from the taxpayers. Build your own damn stadium.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Klaatu : 3/28/2017 8:07 am : link
In comment 13408739 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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try to milk $ from the taxpayers. Build your own damn stadium.


Okay, but when they do, they're going to look to build them in places where they can maximize their revenue, get the best return on their investment. So, don't be surprised if that leads to more teams moving. Smaller market cities will most likely get left out in the cold.

You can't have it both ways. I don't like subsidizing billionaires, either, but you can't expect them to make decisions that will hurt their own bottom line.
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jeff57 : 3/28/2017 8:12 am : link
In comment 13408779 Klaatu said:
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try to milk $ from the taxpayers. Build your own damn stadium.



Okay, but when they do, they're going to look to build them in places where they can maximize their revenue, get the best return on their investment. So, don't be surprised if that leads to more teams moving. Smaller market cities will most likely get left out in the cold.

You can't have it both ways. I don't like subsidizing billionaires, either, but you can't expect them to make decisions that will hurt their own bottom line.


Oh please. Their bottom line isn't being hurt. They just want more and more. Greedier and greedier. They make money hand over fist, particularly with the TV contracts. They're not moving because they're hurting. They're moving because they are greedy m'fkers.
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jeff57 : 3/28/2017 8:19 am : link
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They rolled belly up. Politicians raised taxes to provide a historic $750 million public subsidy.

This led to unremarked-upon cognitive dissonance in Las Vegas. Even as politicians increased taxes for stadiums, Clark County school officials voted last spring to increase public class sizes and to close a school for at-risk students. There was simply no money. “



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Klaatu : 3/28/2017 8:30 am : link
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try to milk $ from the taxpayers. Build your own damn stadium.



Okay, but when they do, they're going to look to build them in places where they can maximize their revenue, get the best return on their investment. So, don't be surprised if that leads to more teams moving. Smaller market cities will most likely get left out in the cold.

You can't have it both ways. I don't like subsidizing billionaires, either, but you can't expect them to make decisions that will hurt their own bottom line.



Oh please. Their bottom line isn't being hurt. They just want more and more. Greedier and greedier. They make money hand over fist, particularly with the TV contracts. They're not moving because they're hurting. They're moving because they are greedy m'fkers.


They're businessmen, not philanthropists.
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jeff57 : 3/28/2017 8:45 am : link
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try to milk $ from the taxpayers. Build your own damn stadium.



Okay, but when they do, they're going to look to build them in places where they can maximize their revenue, get the best return on their investment. So, don't be surprised if that leads to more teams moving. Smaller market cities will most likely get left out in the cold.

You can't have it both ways. I don't like subsidizing billionaires, either, but you can't expect them to make decisions that will hurt their own bottom line.



Oh please. Their bottom line isn't being hurt. They just want more and more. Greedier and greedier. They make money hand over fist, particularly with the TV contracts. They're not moving because they're hurting. They're moving because they are greedy m'fkers.



They're businessmen, not philanthropists.


Of course they're not philanthropists. Philanthropists donate money they have. And not all businessmen on the scale of these folks are greedy bastards. Many feel a responsibility and loyalty to the people who have made their enterprise successful.
If governments are stupid enough to give away money...  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 3/28/2017 1:45 pm : link
...can't really blame he team owners for taking it.

The whole thing is a giant con. There are so many better things they spend their money on. There very little evidence for any significant, long-term economic boost from building stadiums and arenas.

And, in most cases, the majority of taxpayers don't want to build these things with public money. So elected officials and league reps collude to push these things through with little or no input from the people who will actually be paying the bills.

The funny thing here is that the Raiders are going to have to play in Oakland for two or three more years before their new digs are ready. If they though they attendance problems before, just wait.
I hadn't paid close attention, and only just saw that they'll remain  
Mad Mike : 3/28/2017 3:05 pm : link
in Oakland both this year and next. (And possibly 2019, since the new stadium won't be ready until 2020, though I assume they'll use a college stadium in Nevada rather than stick around). When's the last time a team played an entire season as a lame duck after having already announced it was leaving. Two seasons? Seems weird.
RE: I hadn't paid close attention, and only just saw that they'll remain  
jeff57 : 3/28/2017 4:05 pm : link
In comment 13409520 Mad Mike said:
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in Oakland both this year and next. (And possibly 2019, since the new stadium won't be ready until 2020, though I assume they'll use a college stadium in Nevada rather than stick around). When's the last time a team played an entire season as a lame duck after having already announced it was leaving. Two seasons? Seems weird.

Houston Oilers in the mid-90s.
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