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giantsfan44ab : 3/27/2017 9:40 am
Does everyone start getting shut down today?

notes around the league:

-tank is doing well, Kings with an 18 point comeback w/ 5 minutes left. WCS with the game winning putback.

- Turner 17 and 16

-IT with 30, Crowder 25

-Davis 31 and 13

-MVP/possible playoff matchup: Harden 23 & 5, Westbrook w/ 39 and the triple double

-kemba 31 and 9

-Mirotic with 28, butler 20 and 14 assists

-Lopez 23, Lin 19 and 8

-Klay 31, Steph 21 and 11

-Portland ties Denver for the 8 spot. Lillard with 22.

DraftExpress uploaded a fox matchup against UCLA analysis, linked
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Some nights, KP has guys guarding him  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/27/2017 8:18 pm : link
that couldn't alter his shot if they held up a folding chair. On those nights, he needs the strength to hold his position down low and a few simple post moves.
Fantastic job, Phil. Let's let Melo win a pointless game for us.  
PhiPsi125 : 3/27/2017 8:36 pm : link
This team shouldn't win a game the rest of the season. I promise you, the garden will be sold out again next year.

Can we please end this charade?
Melo played 20 minutes and scored 19 points in the first half  
PhiPsi125 : 3/27/2017 8:44 pm : link
Lol, let's he plays less in the second half.
Oh fuck you Carmelo.  
bceagle05 : 3/27/2017 8:54 pm : link
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RE: Oh fuck you Carmelo.  
PhiPsi125 : 3/27/2017 8:55 pm : link
In comment 13408597 bceagle05 said:
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Yup, exactly.
Keep playing him Horny and Phil  
PhiPsi125 : 3/27/2017 8:56 pm : link
F'ing morons.
Carmelo must've read about the Knicks eying Josh Jackson  
Canton : 3/27/2017 8:58 pm : link
as his replacement in the draft and decide to reward Phil with a huge fuck you 🖕
RE: Keep playing him Horny and Phil  
nygiants16 : 3/27/2017 8:58 pm : link
In comment 13408601 PhiPsi125 said:
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F'ing morons.


wtf do you want them to do? just bemch him for no reason?

you realize silver is jist waiting to start fining teams for sitting players for no reason..

Six minutes and counting.  
bceagle05 : 3/27/2017 9:02 pm : link
No points this half for the Pistons.
RE: RE: Keep playing him Horny and Phil  
PhiPsi125 : 3/27/2017 9:03 pm : link
In comment 13408604 nygiants16 said:
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F'ing morons.



wtf do you want them to do? just bemch him for no reason?

you realize silver is jist waiting to start fining teams for sitting players for no reason..


How about we start with not playing him for 40 minutes? How about you let him play (to appease Silver and the fans) while limiting his minutes? How about having some forward thinking about the future of this franchise.

Yeah, let's worry about fines. Check back with me when that actually happens. Meanwhile, the other team's that don't give a shot about fines with set up their future.
melo has sat out the last 2 games  
nygiants16 : 3/27/2017 9:08 pm : link
so yeah keep killing them when he has sat out 2 games in a row...

Where were you the past 2 games applaudimg them for sitting melo? oh yeah thats right you are just here to bitch..

RE: melo has sat out the last 2 games  
PhiPsi125 : 3/27/2017 9:14 pm : link
In comment 13408614 nygiants16 said:
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so yeah keep killing them when he has sat out 2 games in a row...

Where were you the past 2 games applaudimg them for sitting melo? oh yeah thats right you are just here to bitch..


Oh get bent...because you are such a beacon of the perfect fan on these threads. What do you give a shit whether I applaud the team for sitting him? Applaud the for making rational decisions al the time? No, I get it...kill me for not living my life on BBI every second of the day like you. Got it.

But you are right...allowing Melo to play almost the entirety of the first three quarters while having an amazing game is a much better plan.

Go Knicks?
Tobias Harris letting us down tonight.  
bceagle05 : 3/27/2017 9:17 pm : link
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well when you come here to bitch about phil and hornacek  
nygiants16 : 3/27/2017 9:18 pm : link
not caring aboit the future because they are playing melo and in actuatuality they sat him for 2 games, how can you say they dont care?

if knicks were losing this game and melo was playing horrible would you be bitching?

My point is if you are going to kill phil and hornacek and be fair and mention they sat him for 2 games, rather than coming on here oh fuck this guy and fuck that guy, brings nothing to the thread...

when phil trades melo for sog shit you will come on here and rip phil for trading melo for dog shit..
Didn't know it was a requirement to be equitable with my posts  
PhiPsi125 : 3/27/2017 9:26 pm : link
New BBI rule?

I'm not allowed to complain about Phil and Hornacek without also giving them praise? You think its entirely possible that I already think that but for some reason I need to say it because it makes you feel better?

And don't tell me what I will or will not say in the future. You have no idea what I think.

I'm sorry my once-in-a-blue-moon post bitching about Hornacek playing a hot Melo the entire first half in a meaningless game really burned your biscuits. Must have really ruined the thread for you this unique thought that didn't come up from anyone else on this or any other thread.

I'm sincerely sorry.
apology accepted  
nygiants16 : 3/27/2017 9:29 pm : link
thank you now we can move on...

have a good night
Knicks working on giving this one away ...  
Del Shofner : 3/27/2017 9:29 pm : link
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We can dream..  
Canton : 3/27/2017 9:30 pm : link
Pistons on a 9-0 run
RE: apology accepted  
PhiPsi125 : 3/27/2017 9:40 pm : link
In comment 13408631 nygiants16 said:
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thank you now we can move on...

have a good night


love you ;)
RE: RE: apology accepted  
nygiants16 : 3/27/2017 9:41 pm : link
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thank you now we can move on...

have a good night



love you ;)


😘
Standing ovations for Melo and Rose?  
bceagle05 : 3/27/2017 9:46 pm : link
Glad to see the Wall Street guys and their whores get to go home happy!
orlando is losing  
nygiants16 : 3/27/2017 9:47 pm : link
Knicks will drop to 6th BUT

sixers play brooklyn tomorrow so hopefully win there for them...

orlando also plays brooklyn this week..

so hopefully that will even it back up

Sucks  
TyreeHelmet : 3/27/2017 9:51 pm : link
Knicks fans are in a tough position. If it was KP and Willy going off and winning these games is one thing, having Melo and Rose combine for 50 isn't fun to watch on this point in the season.

You can't ever get mad at the players for not tanking though.
We're lucky this is a deep draft  
bceagle05 : 3/27/2017 9:52 pm : link
because we'll try our best to fuck this up. We're not even eliminated from the playoffs yet.
Cavs/ Spurs  
TyreeHelmet : 3/27/2017 10:22 pm : link
Just some random thoughts watching the Spurs destroy Cleveland.

- Deron Williams is awful. Not sure he helps them at all in the playoffs.

-JR Smith isn't the same since his injury. Needs more time to get his game back.

- I saw Derrick Williams exert more effort on defense tonight than he did his entire time with the Knicks. He still is not a good NBA player though.

- Patty Mills is going to get paid big this offseason. I want the Knicks to truly rebuild but if they are intent on signing a PG, I'll take Mills over Rose/Teague/Holiday.

- Gasol can still play. I can see him causing problems on the glass and down low offensively against GSW in limited spots.

-This "players only" broadcast on TNT is definitely different. Not really a fan so far but I could see it working with the right guys.
No gasol for memphis  
nygiants16 : 3/27/2017 10:30 pm : link
hopefully sacto can get a win
Knicks = Idiots  
PhilSimms15 : 3/27/2017 10:41 pm : link
Team can't even tank right. KP! Melo and Rose all playing 35 minutes. Why are the Knicks so stupid as a franchise?
I'd stay clear of Mills  
giantsfan44ab : 3/27/2017 10:47 pm : link
I don't think he's going to get significantly less than what Teague, hill, Holiday are gonna get. He's also not any younger, not much more pass first than rose, and not very good on defense.
RE: Knicks = Idiots  
nygiants16 : 3/27/2017 10:54 pm : link
In comment 13408674 PhilSimms15 said:
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Team can't even tank right. KP! Melo and Rose all playing 35 minutes. Why are the Knicks so stupid as a franchise?


coaches will never coach to lose and players will never play to lose, just never going to happen
RE: RE: Knicks = Idiots  
Del Shofner : 3/27/2017 11:02 pm : link
In comment 13408680 nygiants16 said:
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coaches will never coach to lose and players will never play to lose, just never going to happen


this, plus this was a big game for Detroit and those it's competing with for a playoff spot.
Westbrook just hit a game winner  
giantsfan44ab : 3/27/2017 11:04 pm : link
On dallas. OKC scored the last 14 points of the game to win by 1.

Kings interested in Hinkie.
Jeff Hornacek knows he has little job security. Every win counts.  
bceagle05 : 3/27/2017 11:13 pm : link
Phil Jackson knows he has little time left to salvage his clusterfuck of a presidency, so he'll likely make quick fix moves out of desperation. Dolan doesn't give a shit as long as he's turning a profit. Rose is stat-padding for his next contract. Melo wants 30,000 points and a Hall of Fame enshrinement. Everyone's looking out for number one at the expense of what's best for the franchise.

To hear Hornacek talk about trying to build some momentum for next year made me laugh out loud. Wanna build momentum? Get your hands on Jackson, Tatum or Ball - not Malik Monk.
It's not hornacek's job to decide to lose games  
Ten Ton Hammer : 3/27/2017 11:25 pm : link
That has to come from above, always. Coaches think short term. The franchise bears the responsibility of the prudent and long term view.

Except the Knicks, who haven't had a plan since ever.
RE: Jeff Hornacek knows he has little job security. Every win counts.  
giantsfan44ab : 3/28/2017 12:00 am : link
In comment 13408687 bceagle05 said:
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Phil Jackson knows he has little time left to salvage his clusterfuck of a presidency, so he'll likely make quick fix moves out of desperation. Dolan doesn't give a shit as long as he's turning a profit. Rose is stat-padding for his next contract. Melo wants 30,000 points and a Hall of Fame enshrinement. Everyone's looking out for number one at the expense of what's best for the franchise.

To hear Hornacek talk about trying to build some momentum for next year made me laugh out loud. Wanna build momentum? Get your hands on Jackson, Tatum or Ball - not Malik Monk.


How much can you really blame on the players though?

Melo is 32. We've been too coddled as fans by Dirk and Duncan and Nash, star players who didn't fall off until their 40s, but those are guys are the exceptions and not the norms. If you want to get mad at Melo for not adapting, sure I guess.

Jackson traded for an oft injured PG who has been shooting sub 40% in seasons prior and is on his last deal of FA. I don't know that you expect him to cater to KP. Again, he's in the meat of his career, I'm not sure how much you can expect him to change his game at this point of his career.
If Jackson was as smart as he thinks he is  
PhilSimms15 : 3/28/2017 5:13 am : link
He would have instructed the coach to limit Melo's minutes (he def needs less wear on those tires) limit Rose's minutes (he is gone at end of season) and just play the players who will likely be back next year.

Even the coach has little to gain by winning a couple of meaningless games. Horn will be back next year and a top 3-4 pick could make next year more successful than the 7-9 pick.

Typical Knicks very very shortsighted planning.


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DanMetroMan : 3/28/2017 9:52 am : link
3 hours ago – via New York Daily News
Joakim Noah could begin his 20-game suspension for failing a drug test as soon as Wednesday, meaning best-case scenario he’ll miss 12 games next season when games actually matter. Noah, who is recovering from knee surgery, was examined by doctors prior to Monday’s game to determine if he can practice again. If Noah is medically cleared, he can train with the team Tuesday and the league will have to start his suspension a day later when New York hosts the Heat — starting the clock with eight games remaining in this lost season.
RE: If Jackson was as smart as he thinks he is  
Deej : 3/28/2017 10:12 am : link
In comment 13408733 PhilSimms15 said:
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He would have instructed the coach to limit Melo's minutes (he def needs less wear on those tires) limit Rose's minutes (he is gone at end of season) and just play the players who will likely be back next year.

Even the coach has little to gain by winning a couple of meaningless games. Horn will be back next year and a top 3-4 pick could make next year more successful than the 7-9 pick.

Typical Knicks very very shortsighted planning.



The sat a healthy Melo twice. So they severely limited his minutes.

The Knicks were not going to close out the season with 14 consecutive losses. So people shouldnt have a panic attack about them picking up a win here or there.
Disagree. Picking up a win or two is likely the difference  
PhiPsi125 : 3/28/2017 10:58 am : link
in where we pick, and could be a big difference. Yeah, kudos to the Knicks for sitting him for two games. Whatever. Playing Melo and Rose for 35 minutes each last night was unnecessary. They still may have won the game but let's stop pretending that it's okay to win a game here or there. Will it happen? Probably. But we don't need to facilitate it.

I don't blame the players. And I don't blame Hornacek. They are all trying to win. The fact that Hornacek played Melo and Rose so much last night is just proof that the FO hasn't instructed him to "lose." Which is discouraging. The only focus right now should be draft positioning.

You can absolutely play Melo and Rose. However, you cannot have them taking over and winning games, which then can (and will) certainly do.
Injuries  
TyreeHelmet : 3/28/2017 12:12 pm : link
It's funny how the logic behind injuries is being applied. They are rushing Noah back in order to get the clock started on his suspension. This is presumably in order to help them next year.

Why not apply that logic to Melo and Rose's 'nagging injuries". Any nba exec with a brain would see the Knicks current situation and try to lose as much as possible to maximize ping pong balls. Instead the Knicks will have two players with zero future on the Knicks playing big minutes. I can see Jackson's end of season statement now- " We like the momentum from the wins we had down the stretch", failing to mention it bumped them from the 4th spot to the 8th.
Teams fo not like to sit players  
nygiants16 : 3/28/2017 12:18 pm : link
for the sake of tanking, they do not like the stigma it brings, sam hinkie lost his job for tanking..

and dont give me the lakers, the lakers could trade 5 first round licks for dwyane wade and the media would say oh what a great move the lakers made
I think there is a difference between using "tanking" as your strategy  
PhiPsi125 : 3/28/2017 12:42 pm : link
vs "tanking" late in the season after things didn't work out.

Teams out of the race "tank" all the time at the end of the year. Most aren't as forward about it like the Suns, Lakers and 76ers. But it happens every year. I don't buy the stigma part. Get a better draft position, get a better prospect, start winning and nobody cares or even remembers.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with limiting the minutes of your better players in the last 15 games of a meaningless season. Also gives a team the change to give the younger players burn and evaluate.
Tank  
TyreeHelmet : 3/28/2017 12:52 pm : link
I actually respect the Lakers and Suns being open about it. Why hide it?

And spare me the argument about being fair to the fans who pay to come watch. What about the shit product they've put out all year? Or Phil refusing to speak to the fanbase the entire season?

Phil should unexpectedly send Derrick Rose home before one upcoming game and tell him to go home to chicago to visit his family. Payback for going awol earlier in the season. Phil could actually get some support for doing it.
wait  
nygiants16 : 3/28/2017 2:24 pm : link
knicks are 2-8 in their last 10 and are not tanking properly?

how much more losing you want them to do?
Philly knocks off Brooklyn!  
bceagle05 : 3/28/2017 9:56 pm : link
Now we have to our part.
RE: Philly knocks off Brooklyn!  
nygiants16 : 3/28/2017 10:10 pm : link
In comment 13410005 bceagle05 said:
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Now we have to our part.


minnesota also won
It's like a baseball pennant race.  
bceagle05 : 3/28/2017 10:13 pm : link
Philly had like half a team, too. Saric is really coming on strong.
RE: It's like a baseball pennant race.  
nygiants16 : 3/28/2017 10:14 pm : link
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Philly had like half a team, too. Saric is really coming on strong.


Simmons has the biggest potential, but i think saric is their best prospect..

i think embiid is jist always going to be hurt
It also helped that Minn won.  
Carl in CT : 3/28/2017 10:20 pm : link
They were only 1 game behind and would have picked before us if we were tied (we beat them twice). Up to 5th now one game behind Orlando. Once eliminated (and we are close) I would expect a BIG tank.
RE: RE: It's like a baseball pennant race.  
giantsfan44ab : 3/28/2017 11:21 pm : link
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Philly had like half a team, too. Saric is really coming on strong.



Simmons has the biggest potential, but i think saric is their best prospect..

i think embiid is jist always going to be hurt


Saric is going to be really good, but Simmons has top 10 player in the league potential and my way-too-early-hot take is that he will get there. He will be putting up Jokic-esque statlines (not as efficient of a shooter but more assists). If either one of the two develops a 3 point shot that's one hell of a duo in itself.
ESPN  
Deej : 3/29/2017 8:04 am : link
Surveyed their "Forecast panel" (no idea what that is) to rank the management decision maker(s) and the coach for each team on a 0-10 scale. The Knicks came in last. Not good to be perceived as the worst run team in the league but that is what they are.

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