Does everyone start getting shut down today?
notes around the league:
-tank is doing well, Kings with an 18 point comeback w/ 5 minutes left. WCS with the game winning putback.
- Turner 17 and 16
-IT with 30, Crowder 25
-Davis 31 and 13
-MVP/possible playoff matchup: Harden 23 & 5, Westbrook w/ 39 and the triple double
-kemba 31 and 9
-Mirotic with 28, butler 20 and 14 assists
-Lopez 23, Lin 19 and 8
-Klay 31, Steph 21 and 11
-Portland ties Denver for the 8 spot. Lillard with 22.
DraftExpress uploaded a fox matchup against UCLA analysis, linked
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I think as long as they can nab a top 5-6 pick I'd be happy.
Was very active on defense though. Love to see that given his physical tools.
I hope DX puts out an analysis against UNC. They actually play defense.
Personally, only player id take over Jackson is fultz.
Jackson and ball is 50/50 for me.
I don't dislike the player but too much downside for this team where they'll be picking. Feels like if the Knicks drafted him he'd just turn into a chucker who plays no D.
if they pass on Fox for JJ I'm fucking done. I like him, don't get me wrong but this draft is all about getting a floor general for the next 10-15 years.
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Jackson and would even pass on the PGs for him
if they pass on Fox for JJ I'm fucking done. I like him, don't get me wrong but this draft is all about getting a floor general for the next 10-15 years.
Prepare to be done then. 0% chance the Knicks would take Fox over Jackson. Absolutely none.
i could see him seeing them as scottie pippen
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Jackson and would even pass on the PGs for him
if they pass on Fox for JJ I'm fucking done. I like him, don't get me wrong but this draft is all about getting a floor general for the next 10-15 years.
Prepare to be done then. 0% chance the Knicks would take Fox over Jackson. Absolutely none.
i think jackson has a kawhi leonard type ceiling..
people forget leonard came into the league with no jump shot
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Jackson and would even pass on the PGs for him
Personally, only player id take over Jackson is fultz.
Jackson and ball is 50/50 for me.
i disagree on this. Fultz, Ball, Fox are better players. JJ's shooting could be a problem at the next level. Look if none of those 3 are available, i'd run to take him, but to me those 3 are exactly what this team needs.
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Jackson and would even pass on the PGs for him
Personally, only player id take over Jackson is fultz.
Jackson and ball is 50/50 for me.
i disagree on this. Fultz, Ball, Fox are better players. JJ's shooting could be a problem at the next level. Look if none of those 3 are available, i'd run to take him, but to me those 3 are exactly what this team needs.
jackson is going 3 or 4 guaranteed..
maybe higher depending if celtics draft for need
"A source told The Post that Jackson felt Gasol was headed for a steep decline and considered a big-money deal risky as he sought a replacement for the traded Robin Lopez."
"He sounded disappointed in Jackson for not even calling him in July as Jackson had during his previous free agency in 2014. Gasol then declined to back the Zen Master in his attempt to force-feed the triangle. Gasol said he believes Jackson should back off and let the coaches and players figure out a system."- NYPOST
I'd love to know the real truth how much Noah's visit to Phil in Montana played in him signing him.
Also, I love to hear that the Knicks are interested in Jackson ( who wouldn't be), but the line about having a "triangle skill set" really worries me. What exactly is a triangle skill set? Being really good and talented at basketball?
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Jackson and would even pass on the PGs for him
if they pass on Fox for JJ I'm fucking done. I like him, don't get me wrong but this draft is all about getting a floor general for the next 10-15 years.
Prepare to be done then. 0% chance the Knicks would take Fox over Jackson. Absolutely none.
who am i kidding. Ive been done with them every year since the Layden years...i'll talk myself into them again around September.
Yes I would. I know he's been a disaster but odds are still very low on a 2nd rounder being a good player (of course there are success stories) but nobody was suggesting Hezonja was a reach at 5. I'd take my chances on rebuilding him.
Makes others on the floor better due to passing. He controls games.
New mock draft out today has Lonzo dropping to Knicks at 4.
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Sure why not. Where the Knicks 2nd rounders are going to fall have very little value. Hezonja was the 5th overall pick 2 years ago. He's been awful but that's a guy I would to take a chance on.
I would love to figure out a way for the Knicks to get a late 1st in this draft. This class just seems so deep and if they are truly going in a youth movement, I'd love to see another rookie for next years team.
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Sure why not. Where the Knicks 2nd rounders are going to fall have very little value. Hezonja was the 5th overall pick 2 years ago. He's been awful but that's a guy I would to take a chance on.
I would love to figure out a way for the Knicks to get a late 1st in this draft. This class just seems so deep and if they are truly going in a youth movement, I'd love to see another rookie for next years team.
Yeah, i think they have to try to acquire another couple picks so you assume they will. But then again, Phil is running the team so I'm sure they won't.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
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Does not compute.
Makes others on the floor better due to passing. He controls games.
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you realize jackson averaged 3 assists per game right?
also no chance lakers pass on ball
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Does not compute.
Makes others on the floor better due to passing. He controls games.
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News flash: PGs pass the ball
Derrick Rose passes the ball. What the hell does that mean?
Jackson gives you playmaking at an additional position besides PG.
The Knicks need talent, not a position. Jackson has the potential to guard 4 positions at the NBA level. That's what the Knicks need.
Geez, who's coaching their D? Kurt Rambis?
i could see him seeing them as scottie pippen
Agree completely with this. I'm not banking on a point guard at all, and would be thrilled with Jackson or Tatum.
Never say never but he would have to drastically improve his ball handling. I think he could definitely become a facilator but a point guard? I don't see it. I love him as a prospect though.
2) Ball
3) Jackson
4) Tatum
5) Fox
6) Smith Jr.
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i think phil falls in love with tatum or jackson...
i could see him seeing them as scottie pippen
Agree completely with this. I'm not banking on a point guard at all, and would be thrilled with Jackson or Tatum.
if they do go jackson or tatum, i want mason in the 2nd, he is not going to be some star player but he plays hard leaves it all oit on the court, can dribble drive, shoot the 3 and he has good vision
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his problem is his height and he will get passed over because of it
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Don't rule out Jacksons ability to potentially play PG in the NBA.
Never say never but he would have to drastically improve his ball handling. I think he could definitely become a facilator but a point guard? I don't see it. I love him as a prospect though.
Remember when the Bucks tried Giannis at PG his 2nd year and it was a disaster?
Hell,the Lakers have tried Ingram at the point and I like Jacksons handle, passing ability and first step more.
It's a stretch no doubt, but Jackson is capable of working out of the pick and roll. Maybe he won't be a primary PG but you can leave him out there with the 2nd unit and create some offense.
As Knicks fans, I think you have to root for the Lakers to keep their pick. 1) You don't want to see the Sixers get a top 5 pick and 2) keeping the pick allows for the slim chance Magic decides to go all in trading for PG13 and Melo. Very unlikely but one of the only scenarios the Knicks receive any value in trading Carmelo.
2) Ball
3) Jackson
4) Tatum
5) Fox
6) Smith Jr.
Great year to suck - I'd be happy with any of the above. Hell, if we fall to 7 and take Isaac I'm happy, and I'd be OK with the Frenchman at 8.
2) Ball
3) Jackson
4) Tatum
5) Fox
6) Smith Jr.
I think I'd put smith 4th. One of his strengths is being able to breakdown a defense without needing a pick.
Not to keep bringing this back on fox, but watching U.K. This month and going back and watching fox highlights, I haven't seen him able to do anything unless a screen is set for him. Seems way too passive to initiate anything in ISO.
Well they're averaging 106/game, good for 13th in the NBA. But they're doing it with #1 overall pace and #28 overall off-rtg.
As Knicks fans, I think you have to root for the Lakers to keep their pick. 1) You don't want to see the Sixers get a top 5 pick and 2) keeping the pick allows for the slim chance Magic decides to go all in trading for PG13 and Melo. Very unlikely but one of the only scenarios the Knicks receive any value in trading Carmelo.
Seems petty, but I don't think I hate any sports team more than the Lakers (except the eagles). I can't explain it, rooting for them to keep their pick probably means they land Ball and their future looks bright. They lose it, all their players are closer to FA and they will have to max/trade them. I think the entire future depends on whether they keep this pick or not.
The Lakers need to experience a 15 year drought at least once IMO.
As Knicks fans, I think you have to root for the Lakers to keep their pick. 1) You don't want to see the Sixers get a top 5 pick and 2) keeping the pick allows for the slim chance Magic decides to go all in trading for PG13 and Melo. Very unlikely but one of the only scenarios the Knicks receive any value in trading Carmelo.
On the other hand, anything that would worsen the asset Boston gets is good for the Knicks. Boston could be in position to run the east for years if they hit big in the next draft or two.
C'mon really? And that'll count against Smith and Fultz because they didn't sign onto the CBB recruiting powerhouse for a free trip to the elite eight?
Fox is a great kid, don't get me wrong, but he's so irked about the loss that he will declare for the draft by week's end?
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The Nets have scored 105 or more 14 times.
Well they're averaging 106/game, good for 13th in the NBA. But they're doing it with #1 overall pace and #28 overall off-rtg.
I'm not suggesting they are good. Just found it interesting a team with so little offensive talent was scoring so many points.
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The Nets have scored 105 or more 14 times.
Well they're averaging 106/game, good for 13th in the NBA. But they're doing it with #1 overall pace and #28 overall off-rtg.
I'm not suggesting they are good. Just found it interesting a team with so little offensive talent was scoring so many points.
Yeah, and I think the explanation is pace rather than offensive efficiency. You can score a lot of points if you are running a seven seconds or less defense.
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Brooklyn has a 5 game "lead" on the Lakers/ Suns for top pick. Nets play 76ers twice and Magic twice. Also have the reeling Pistons and face the Bulls twice. Any chance they win 5 or 6 games with the Lakers losing out to tie or concede the top pick?
As Knicks fans, I think you have to root for the Lakers to keep their pick. 1) You don't want to see the Sixers get a top 5 pick and 2) keeping the pick allows for the slim chance Magic decides to go all in trading for PG13 and Melo. Very unlikely but one of the only scenarios the Knicks receive any value in trading Carmelo.
Seems petty, but I don't think I hate any sports team more than the Lakers (except the eagles). I can't explain it, rooting for them to keep their pick probably means they land Ball and their future looks bright. They lose it, all their players are closer to FA and they will have to max/trade them. I think the entire future depends on whether they keep this pick or not.
The Lakers need to experience a 15 year drought at least once IMO.
Also, if they Lakers keep this years pick, the 2019 1st they owe to Orlando becomes two second round picks. I think it's safe to say the stakes have never been higher for a lottery than the Lakers this year.
1) Jackson
2) Ball
3) Fultz
4)Tatum
5)Fox
DX still has the "traditional 3" in the consensus order. At this point I'm just chalking it up to keeping things interesting in March
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Does not compute.
Makes others on the floor better due to passing. He controls games.
New mock draft out today has Lonzo dropping to Knicks at 4. new mock draft - ( New Window )
you realize jackson averaged 3 assists per game right?
also no chance lakers pass on ball
Yes, and agree.
Listen, I'm fine with JJ in a normal year. I just have watched the Knicks play without a premier point guard forever. These kids all look special and if one is there, i'd hope the Knicks take him.
2) Ball
3) Jackson
4) Tatum
5) Fox
6) Smith Jr.
I'm also very fine with any of the six. There are years when any of them would have been the consensus no. 1 overall.
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Does not compute.
Makes others on the floor better due to passing. He controls games.
New mock draft out today has Lonzo dropping to Knicks at 4. new mock draft - ( New Window )
you realize jackson averaged 3 assists per game right?
also no chance lakers pass on ball
Yes, and agree.
Listen, I'm fine with JJ in a normal year. I just have watched the Knicks play without a premier point guard forever. These kids all look special and if one is there, i'd hope the Knicks take him.
So you'd pass on a potential Kawhi Leonard to take a Dennis Schroeder just so the Knicks are fine at PG?
We can argue about the legitmiacy of those comparisons, but that IS the premise you seem to be insinuating by saying the Knicks should take a PG no matter what.
motion offense dan. that and they have lin back... but they play the modern style NBA offense.
they have started winning some games partly because they lost 2 of their worst defenders, bogs and kilpatrick--- replacing with your boy KJ...
but its really the 4 out 1 in with lopez dragging bigs outside, that creates the easy shots and points.
they play at a very fast pace
I'd say perimeter defense. Or the potential of being a legitimate all defensive team player. I know the Knicks would never be able to implement a switch everything style of defense with KP and Willy at the 2 big spots, but having as many guys who can switch/disrupt the PnR is never a bad thing in the modern NBA. He's a SF that can provide rim protection, something i only really see Lebron, D Raymond, Kawhi and Giannis do in the NBA.
The volume stats aren't there but efficiency wise (and form wise) he looks like a great shooter. He's 6'10 and can hit pull ups, fadeaways and 3 pointers. In space in the NBA I also think he can give you 3-4 assists per game, has good awareness. Also an elite rebounder for a SF.
I don't think he'll be dropping 25 in the NBA, but I think he can potentially give you 17+ ppg, 3 assists and 8-9 rebounds a game with great defense.
The idea of starting 3 6'10+ players (2 that can provide spacing and rim protection and the third who can give you 12-13 boards a game) is extremely intriguing to me. Jackson is my favorite player in the draft but you can talk me into Isaac over him just based on pure shooting ability.
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Does not compute.
Makes others on the floor better due to passing. He controls games.
New mock draft out today has Lonzo dropping to Knicks at 4. new mock draft - ( New Window )
you realize jackson averaged 3 assists per game right?
also no chance lakers pass on ball
Yes, and agree.
Listen, I'm fine with JJ in a normal year. I just have watched the Knicks play without a premier point guard forever. These kids all look special and if one is there, i'd hope the Knicks take him.
So you'd pass on a potential Kawhi Leonard to take a Dennis Schroeder just so the Knicks are fine at PG?
We can argue about the legitmiacy of those comparisons, but that IS the premise you seem to be insinuating by saying the Knicks should take a PG no matter what.
No. that's not what I am saying AT ALL. I am saying that I think each one of these PGs are special talents and I think they will each be better fits on the knicks and Porzingis going forward. I am not saying draft a shitty PG just to draft one. Nice straw man argument though.
Smith looks like he's gonna be a star. Has all the tools you would want from a PG in this NBA. Explosiveness, can shoot, drive, and facilitate. I think he is more ready than Fox at this point but the upside of Fox could be higher with his size. Knicks actually should be in good shape for this draft.
People also haven't seen Smith at his best yet. By his estimation, he played at about 80% this year. His knee should be more fully recovered next year.
Melo is here for one year maximum (and I'd say the odds of that are 50/50). Drafting at another position just because of Melo is a good way to keep the franchise in the shitter.
Kobe didn't force LA into drafting Okafor. I don't think the approach for Melo should be any different.
Workouts and the post-season pick apart will move players. I dont think Fultz will be dislodged, and my general observation is the the consensus #1 is not a guy who typically falls during the draft evaluation period. Guys who spent the season at #1 tend to stay there.
Adding a 3 might just be the stake that drives Melo out.
At this point Im Fultz and then Jackson. Then probably Ball -- Im not going to kill him too bad over the UK game.
Man, it would be a franchise changer to move up in the lottery.
Detroit tonight, Miami twice, Boston, Chicago, washington, Memphis and Toronto.
There's also the fact that finishing the season on a 14 game losing streak can demoralize the team, but maybe it forces Melo out. Boy it would be a bummer sitting right outside the bottom 3 and not getting in.
He's my clear #1 for the Knicks. Smith, I could see going higher as well. But I also like him.
Jackson
Fultz
Ball
Smith
Fox
are my top five. I like the Euro guard and really like TJ Leaf as well. Very deep draft well into the second round for getting a serviceable big and even a role playing PG.
Good year to suck.
I have him just outside the top ten right now... but in his workouts, teams will likely see how comfortable he is with playing Point.
I don't know. Monk is crazy athletic and his ability to score off the dribble is at a pretty high level. I think he's going to be a very good pro.
That being said I think they'll have him ranked below Fox and Smith (and of course the top 3 or 4 guys as well)
he played like he didnt give a shit and once ucla got down in the 2nd half it looked like he just gave up, he played like he was trying not to get hurt..
then after the game no emotion no nothing, just i am going pro thanks ucla but bye i am out, he acted like he didny give a shit..
i know i am probably over analyzing but if kni ks passed on him i wouldnt be mad
In any event, I dont think Rose helps us win any more than Lee, Willy etc. Melo I think can win a game on his own here or there. I just havent see that bear out with Rose.
I have him just outside the top ten right now... but in his workouts, teams will likely see how comfortable he is with playing Point.
Just think playing the odds that it's going to be rough going for a kid of his size to be as successful at the next level. If he had any shot of being a PG I'd feel differently. I think big 2's are going to give him a lot of trouble. I won't lose my mind if he's the pick, kid has talented but there just aren't a ton of successful 2's that are his size and he really doesn't have any secondary skills to fall back on. He's not a big passer, or a good rebounder, his defense seems to have varied opinions but being undersized likely isn't going to help him defensively.
That's why he screams philly to me. Can play completely off the ball, provides spacing. Can heat up in a minute, but also cool down for stretches. He's a 2 on offense but a 1 on defense.
One of the oldest looking college players ever. Wouldn't surpise me if he carved out a nba bench spot though. Talented down low.
Monk scares me for the Knicks. Dennis Smith is the one guy I would love. Really like his skillset as an NBA point guard.
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due did nothing on offense for long stretches. Barely moved. Im really not interested in him at this point.
That's why he screams philly to me. Can play completely off the ball, provides spacing. Can heat up in a minute, but also cool down for stretches. He's a 2 on offense but a 1 on defense.
He looked lost off-ball. I'd like to see one of his good games to see what people are seeing. I see a plus athlete who can hit shots if he takes them, even contested ones. But in a single elimination tournament I saw the most passive play I've ever seen out of a purported star player. He just stood around and waited. Didnt even really serve as much of a decoy.
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due did nothing on offense for long stretches. Barely moved. Im really not interested in him at this point.
That's why he screams philly to me. Can play completely off the ball, provides spacing. Can heat up in a minute, but also cool down for stretches. He's a 2 on offense but a 1 on defense.
He looked lost off-ball. I'd like to see one of his good games to see what people are seeing. I see a plus athlete who can hit shots if he takes them, even contested ones. But in a single elimination tournament I saw the most passive play I've ever seen out of a purported star player. He just stood around and waited. Didnt even really serve as much of a decoy.
Fox and Monk never seemed to be on the same page at UK. They both just took turns trying to create for themselves, never seemed to be in sync.
I think with NBA spacing he will flourish. He will score lots of points, not sure much else. Has the tools to be a good defender for his size.
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1) Fultz
2) Ball
3) Jackson
4) Tatum
5) Fox
6) Smith Jr.
I'm also very fine with any of the six. There are years when any of them would have been the consensus no. 1 overall.
Knicks desperately need a PG, especially one that can play both ways, so to me I'd go Fultz, Ball, Fox. If those three gone then Jackson and Tatum next up. I'd be happy with any of those five, but estatic with one of the three PGs.
it is really hard to just sit out players when everyone knows you want to tank and with the whole resting thing it is just a weird decision...
will be interesting what his minutes are like tonight..
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Melos playing tonight. Who's making the decision on if he plays? What a strange situation.
it is really hard to just sit out players when everyone knows you want to tank and with the whole resting thing it is just a weird decision...
will be interesting what his minutes are like tonight..
Phoenix and the Lakers aren't even trying to hide it. Sent the veterans home for the year. Why not just do the same with Melo? What if he gets a serious injury?
Benching Melo would be one step worse -- benching a clear starter who is also somewhat of a draw. Maybe not at BBI, but there are a lot of paying ticket holders who will be upset if Melo is just sat while healthy.
Benching Melo would be one step worse -- benching a clear starter who is also somewhat of a draw. Maybe not at BBI, but there are a lot of paying ticket holders who will be upset if Melo is just sat while healthy.
Also: no one goes to Suns games.
Drummond and a future first to Knicks
Noah and Lee and this years lottery pick to Pistons
Would either side consider it?
Next trade. Melo is 90% gone by draft this summer and will probably only except a trade to Lakers or Clippers
Melo to Lakers for Clarkson and future first
Knicks now have plenty of cap space
Contract offer to Aaron Gordon who's a restricted FA I believe
Starting Lineup 2017-2018
Drummond
KP
Gordon
Holiday
Clarkson
Bench
Kooz
Randle
Wily
Their two second round draft picks
Agreed.
I've really soured on drummond. He's not really the stout defender his athleticism would suggest (though still young). Are we sure he's tangibly better than Willy? Certainly not offensively.
2) Ball
3) Jackson
4) Tatum
5) Fox
6) Smith Jr.
Those are the top 6 players, although I'd rate players 4-6...
4 - Smith
5 - Tatum
6 - Fox
Like plenty of others have said, I'd be happy with any of those 6 guys. As much as I love Jackson, I would have to take Fultz and Ball over him (if/when the Knicks win the lottery... hehe) simply because I need to get the most I can out of KP and Willy.
Dirk was the comp that made sense, and on his good nights, you can kind of see it. He's a shooter.
Can we please end this charade?
Yup, exactly.
wtf do you want them to do? just bemch him for no reason?
you realize silver is jist waiting to start fining teams for sitting players for no reason..
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F'ing morons.
wtf do you want them to do? just bemch him for no reason?
you realize silver is jist waiting to start fining teams for sitting players for no reason..
How about we start with not playing him for 40 minutes? How about you let him play (to appease Silver and the fans) while limiting his minutes? How about having some forward thinking about the future of this franchise.
Yeah, let's worry about fines. Check back with me when that actually happens. Meanwhile, the other team's that don't give a shot about fines with set up their future.
Where were you the past 2 games applaudimg them for sitting melo? oh yeah thats right you are just here to bitch..
Where were you the past 2 games applaudimg them for sitting melo? oh yeah thats right you are just here to bitch..
Oh get bent...because you are such a beacon of the perfect fan on these threads. What do you give a shit whether I applaud the team for sitting him? Applaud the for making rational decisions al the time? No, I get it...kill me for not living my life on BBI every second of the day like you. Got it.
But you are right...allowing Melo to play almost the entirety of the first three quarters while having an amazing game is a much better plan.
Go Knicks?
if knicks were losing this game and melo was playing horrible would you be bitching?
My point is if you are going to kill phil and hornacek and be fair and mention they sat him for 2 games, rather than coming on here oh fuck this guy and fuck that guy, brings nothing to the thread...
when phil trades melo for sog shit you will come on here and rip phil for trading melo for dog shit..
I'm not allowed to complain about Phil and Hornacek without also giving them praise? You think its entirely possible that I already think that but for some reason I need to say it because it makes you feel better?
And don't tell me what I will or will not say in the future. You have no idea what I think.
I'm sorry my once-in-a-blue-moon post bitching about Hornacek playing a hot Melo the entire first half in a meaningless game really burned your biscuits. Must have really ruined the thread for you this unique thought that didn't come up from anyone else on this or any other thread.
I'm sincerely sorry.
have a good night
have a good night
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thank you now we can move on...
have a good night
love you ;)
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sixers play brooklyn tomorrow so hopefully win there for them...
orlando also plays brooklyn this week..
so hopefully that will even it back up
You can't ever get mad at the players for not tanking though.
- Deron Williams is awful. Not sure he helps them at all in the playoffs.
-JR Smith isn't the same since his injury. Needs more time to get his game back.
- I saw Derrick Williams exert more effort on defense tonight than he did his entire time with the Knicks. He still is not a good NBA player though.
- Patty Mills is going to get paid big this offseason. I want the Knicks to truly rebuild but if they are intent on signing a PG, I'll take Mills over Rose/Teague/Holiday.
- Gasol can still play. I can see him causing problems on the glass and down low offensively against GSW in limited spots.
-This "players only" broadcast on TNT is definitely different. Not really a fan so far but I could see it working with the right guys.
coaches will never coach to lose and players will never play to lose, just never going to happen
this, plus this was a big game for Detroit and those it's competing with for a playoff spot.
Kings interested in Hinkie.
To hear Hornacek talk about trying to build some momentum for next year made me laugh out loud. Wanna build momentum? Get your hands on Jackson, Tatum or Ball - not Malik Monk.
Except the Knicks, who haven't had a plan since ever.
To hear Hornacek talk about trying to build some momentum for next year made me laugh out loud. Wanna build momentum? Get your hands on Jackson, Tatum or Ball - not Malik Monk.
How much can you really blame on the players though?
Melo is 32. We've been too coddled as fans by Dirk and Duncan and Nash, star players who didn't fall off until their 40s, but those are guys are the exceptions and not the norms. If you want to get mad at Melo for not adapting, sure I guess.
Jackson traded for an oft injured PG who has been shooting sub 40% in seasons prior and is on his last deal of FA. I don't know that you expect him to cater to KP. Again, he's in the meat of his career, I'm not sure how much you can expect him to change his game at this point of his career.
Even the coach has little to gain by winning a couple of meaningless games. Horn will be back next year and a top 3-4 pick could make next year more successful than the 7-9 pick.
Typical Knicks very very shortsighted planning.
Joakim Noah could begin his 20-game suspension for failing a drug test as soon as Wednesday, meaning best-case scenario he’ll miss 12 games next season when games actually matter. Noah, who is recovering from knee surgery, was examined by doctors prior to Monday’s game to determine if he can practice again. If Noah is medically cleared, he can train with the team Tuesday and the league will have to start his suspension a day later when New York hosts the Heat — starting the clock with eight games remaining in this lost season.
Even the coach has little to gain by winning a couple of meaningless games. Horn will be back next year and a top 3-4 pick could make next year more successful than the 7-9 pick.
Typical Knicks very very shortsighted planning.
The sat a healthy Melo twice. So they severely limited his minutes.
The Knicks were not going to close out the season with 14 consecutive losses. So people shouldnt have a panic attack about them picking up a win here or there.
I don't blame the players. And I don't blame Hornacek. They are all trying to win. The fact that Hornacek played Melo and Rose so much last night is just proof that the FO hasn't instructed him to "lose." Which is discouraging. The only focus right now should be draft positioning.
You can absolutely play Melo and Rose. However, you cannot have them taking over and winning games, which then can (and will) certainly do.
Why not apply that logic to Melo and Rose's 'nagging injuries". Any nba exec with a brain would see the Knicks current situation and try to lose as much as possible to maximize ping pong balls. Instead the Knicks will have two players with zero future on the Knicks playing big minutes. I can see Jackson's end of season statement now- " We like the momentum from the wins we had down the stretch", failing to mention it bumped them from the 4th spot to the 8th.
and dont give me the lakers, the lakers could trade 5 first round licks for dwyane wade and the media would say oh what a great move the lakers made
Teams out of the race "tank" all the time at the end of the year. Most aren't as forward about it like the Suns, Lakers and 76ers. But it happens every year. I don't buy the stigma part. Get a better draft position, get a better prospect, start winning and nobody cares or even remembers.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with limiting the minutes of your better players in the last 15 games of a meaningless season. Also gives a team the change to give the younger players burn and evaluate.
And spare me the argument about being fair to the fans who pay to come watch. What about the shit product they've put out all year? Or Phil refusing to speak to the fanbase the entire season?
Phil should unexpectedly send Derrick Rose home before one upcoming game and tell him to go home to chicago to visit his family. Payback for going awol earlier in the season. Phil could actually get some support for doing it.
how much more losing you want them to do?
minnesota also won
Simmons has the biggest potential, but i think saric is their best prospect..
i think embiid is jist always going to be hurt
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Philly had like half a team, too. Saric is really coming on strong.
Simmons has the biggest potential, but i think saric is their best prospect..
i think embiid is jist always going to be hurt
Saric is going to be really good, but Simmons has top 10 player in the league potential and my way-too-early-hot take is that he will get there. He will be putting up Jokic-esque statlines (not as efficient of a shooter but more assists). If either one of the two develops a 3 point shot that's one hell of a duo in itself.
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