Does everyone start getting shut down today?
notes around the league:
-tank is doing well, Kings with an 18 point comeback w/ 5 minutes left. WCS with the game winning putback.
- Turner 17 and 16
-IT with 30, Crowder 25
-Davis 31 and 13
-MVP/possible playoff matchup: Harden 23 & 5, Westbrook w/ 39 and the triple double
-kemba 31 and 9
-Mirotic with 28, butler 20 and 14 assists
-Lopez 23, Lin 19 and 8
-Klay 31, Steph 21 and 11
-Portland ties Denver for the 8 spot. Lillard with 22.
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As Knicks fans, I think you have to root for the Lakers to keep their pick. 1) You don't want to see the Sixers get a top 5 pick and 2) keeping the pick allows for the slim chance Magic decides to go all in trading for PG13 and Melo. Very unlikely but one of the only scenarios the Knicks receive any value in trading Carmelo.
Seems petty, but I don't think I hate any sports team more than the Lakers (except the eagles). I can't explain it, rooting for them to keep their pick probably means they land Ball and their future looks bright. They lose it, all their players are closer to FA and they will have to max/trade them. I think the entire future depends on whether they keep this pick or not.
The Lakers need to experience a 15 year drought at least once IMO.
As Knicks fans, I think you have to root for the Lakers to keep their pick. 1) You don't want to see the Sixers get a top 5 pick and 2) keeping the pick allows for the slim chance Magic decides to go all in trading for PG13 and Melo. Very unlikely but one of the only scenarios the Knicks receive any value in trading Carmelo.
On the other hand, anything that would worsen the asset Boston gets is good for the Knicks. Boston could be in position to run the east for years if they hit big in the next draft or two.
C'mon really? And that'll count against Smith and Fultz because they didn't sign onto the CBB recruiting powerhouse for a free trip to the elite eight?
Fox is a great kid, don't get me wrong, but he's so irked about the loss that he will declare for the draft by week's end?
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The Nets have scored 105 or more 14 times.
Well they're averaging 106/game, good for 13th in the NBA. But they're doing it with #1 overall pace and #28 overall off-rtg.
I'm not suggesting they are good. Just found it interesting a team with so little offensive talent was scoring so many points.
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The Nets have scored 105 or more 14 times.
Well they're averaging 106/game, good for 13th in the NBA. But they're doing it with #1 overall pace and #28 overall off-rtg.
I'm not suggesting they are good. Just found it interesting a team with so little offensive talent was scoring so many points.
Yeah, and I think the explanation is pace rather than offensive efficiency. You can score a lot of points if you are running a seven seconds or less defense.
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Brooklyn has a 5 game "lead" on the Lakers/ Suns for top pick. Nets play 76ers twice and Magic twice. Also have the reeling Pistons and face the Bulls twice. Any chance they win 5 or 6 games with the Lakers losing out to tie or concede the top pick?
As Knicks fans, I think you have to root for the Lakers to keep their pick. 1) You don't want to see the Sixers get a top 5 pick and 2) keeping the pick allows for the slim chance Magic decides to go all in trading for PG13 and Melo. Very unlikely but one of the only scenarios the Knicks receive any value in trading Carmelo.
Seems petty, but I don't think I hate any sports team more than the Lakers (except the eagles). I can't explain it, rooting for them to keep their pick probably means they land Ball and their future looks bright. They lose it, all their players are closer to FA and they will have to max/trade them. I think the entire future depends on whether they keep this pick or not.
The Lakers need to experience a 15 year drought at least once IMO.
Also, if they Lakers keep this years pick, the 2019 1st they owe to Orlando becomes two second round picks. I think it's safe to say the stakes have never been higher for a lottery than the Lakers this year.
1) Jackson
2) Ball
3) Fultz
4)Tatum
5)Fox
DX still has the "traditional 3" in the consensus order. At this point I'm just chalking it up to keeping things interesting in March
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Does not compute.
Makes others on the floor better due to passing. He controls games.
New mock draft out today has Lonzo dropping to Knicks at 4. new mock draft - ( New Window )
you realize jackson averaged 3 assists per game right?
also no chance lakers pass on ball
Yes, and agree.
Listen, I'm fine with JJ in a normal year. I just have watched the Knicks play without a premier point guard forever. These kids all look special and if one is there, i'd hope the Knicks take him.
2) Ball
3) Jackson
4) Tatum
5) Fox
6) Smith Jr.
I'm also very fine with any of the six. There are years when any of them would have been the consensus no. 1 overall.
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Does not compute.
Makes others on the floor better due to passing. He controls games.
New mock draft out today has Lonzo dropping to Knicks at 4. new mock draft - ( New Window )
you realize jackson averaged 3 assists per game right?
also no chance lakers pass on ball
Yes, and agree.
Listen, I'm fine with JJ in a normal year. I just have watched the Knicks play without a premier point guard forever. These kids all look special and if one is there, i'd hope the Knicks take him.
So you'd pass on a potential Kawhi Leonard to take a Dennis Schroeder just so the Knicks are fine at PG?
We can argue about the legitmiacy of those comparisons, but that IS the premise you seem to be insinuating by saying the Knicks should take a PG no matter what.
motion offense dan. that and they have lin back... but they play the modern style NBA offense.
they have started winning some games partly because they lost 2 of their worst defenders, bogs and kilpatrick--- replacing with your boy KJ...
but its really the 4 out 1 in with lopez dragging bigs outside, that creates the easy shots and points.
they play at a very fast pace
I'd say perimeter defense. Or the potential of being a legitimate all defensive team player. I know the Knicks would never be able to implement a switch everything style of defense with KP and Willy at the 2 big spots, but having as many guys who can switch/disrupt the PnR is never a bad thing in the modern NBA. He's a SF that can provide rim protection, something i only really see Lebron, D Raymond, Kawhi and Giannis do in the NBA.
The volume stats aren't there but efficiency wise (and form wise) he looks like a great shooter. He's 6'10 and can hit pull ups, fadeaways and 3 pointers. In space in the NBA I also think he can give you 3-4 assists per game, has good awareness. Also an elite rebounder for a SF.
I don't think he'll be dropping 25 in the NBA, but I think he can potentially give you 17+ ppg, 3 assists and 8-9 rebounds a game with great defense.
The idea of starting 3 6'10+ players (2 that can provide spacing and rim protection and the third who can give you 12-13 boards a game) is extremely intriguing to me. Jackson is my favorite player in the draft but you can talk me into Isaac over him just based on pure shooting ability.
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Does not compute.
Makes others on the floor better due to passing. He controls games.
New mock draft out today has Lonzo dropping to Knicks at 4. new mock draft - ( New Window )
you realize jackson averaged 3 assists per game right?
also no chance lakers pass on ball
Yes, and agree.
Listen, I'm fine with JJ in a normal year. I just have watched the Knicks play without a premier point guard forever. These kids all look special and if one is there, i'd hope the Knicks take him.
So you'd pass on a potential Kawhi Leonard to take a Dennis Schroeder just so the Knicks are fine at PG?
We can argue about the legitmiacy of those comparisons, but that IS the premise you seem to be insinuating by saying the Knicks should take a PG no matter what.
No. that's not what I am saying AT ALL. I am saying that I think each one of these PGs are special talents and I think they will each be better fits on the knicks and Porzingis going forward. I am not saying draft a shitty PG just to draft one. Nice straw man argument though.
Smith looks like he's gonna be a star. Has all the tools you would want from a PG in this NBA. Explosiveness, can shoot, drive, and facilitate. I think he is more ready than Fox at this point but the upside of Fox could be higher with his size. Knicks actually should be in good shape for this draft.
People also haven't seen Smith at his best yet. By his estimation, he played at about 80% this year. His knee should be more fully recovered next year.
Melo is here for one year maximum (and I'd say the odds of that are 50/50). Drafting at another position just because of Melo is a good way to keep the franchise in the shitter.
Kobe didn't force LA into drafting Okafor. I don't think the approach for Melo should be any different.
Workouts and the post-season pick apart will move players. I dont think Fultz will be dislodged, and my general observation is the the consensus #1 is not a guy who typically falls during the draft evaluation period. Guys who spent the season at #1 tend to stay there.
Adding a 3 might just be the stake that drives Melo out.
At this point Im Fultz and then Jackson. Then probably Ball -- Im not going to kill him too bad over the UK game.
Man, it would be a franchise changer to move up in the lottery.
Detroit tonight, Miami twice, Boston, Chicago, washington, Memphis and Toronto.
There's also the fact that finishing the season on a 14 game losing streak can demoralize the team, but maybe it forces Melo out. Boy it would be a bummer sitting right outside the bottom 3 and not getting in.
He's my clear #1 for the Knicks. Smith, I could see going higher as well. But I also like him.
Jackson
Fultz
Ball
Smith
Fox
are my top five. I like the Euro guard and really like TJ Leaf as well. Very deep draft well into the second round for getting a serviceable big and even a role playing PG.
Good year to suck.
I have him just outside the top ten right now... but in his workouts, teams will likely see how comfortable he is with playing Point.
I don't know. Monk is crazy athletic and his ability to score off the dribble is at a pretty high level. I think he's going to be a very good pro.
That being said I think they'll have him ranked below Fox and Smith (and of course the top 3 or 4 guys as well)
he played like he didnt give a shit and once ucla got down in the 2nd half it looked like he just gave up, he played like he was trying not to get hurt..
then after the game no emotion no nothing, just i am going pro thanks ucla but bye i am out, he acted like he didny give a shit..
i know i am probably over analyzing but if kni ks passed on him i wouldnt be mad
In any event, I dont think Rose helps us win any more than Lee, Willy etc. Melo I think can win a game on his own here or there. I just havent see that bear out with Rose.
I have him just outside the top ten right now... but in his workouts, teams will likely see how comfortable he is with playing Point.
Just think playing the odds that it's going to be rough going for a kid of his size to be as successful at the next level. If he had any shot of being a PG I'd feel differently. I think big 2's are going to give him a lot of trouble. I won't lose my mind if he's the pick, kid has talented but there just aren't a ton of successful 2's that are his size and he really doesn't have any secondary skills to fall back on. He's not a big passer, or a good rebounder, his defense seems to have varied opinions but being undersized likely isn't going to help him defensively.
That's why he screams philly to me. Can play completely off the ball, provides spacing. Can heat up in a minute, but also cool down for stretches. He's a 2 on offense but a 1 on defense.
One of the oldest looking college players ever. Wouldn't surpise me if he carved out a nba bench spot though. Talented down low.
Monk scares me for the Knicks. Dennis Smith is the one guy I would love. Really like his skillset as an NBA point guard.
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due did nothing on offense for long stretches. Barely moved. Im really not interested in him at this point.
That's why he screams philly to me. Can play completely off the ball, provides spacing. Can heat up in a minute, but also cool down for stretches. He's a 2 on offense but a 1 on defense.
He looked lost off-ball. I'd like to see one of his good games to see what people are seeing. I see a plus athlete who can hit shots if he takes them, even contested ones. But in a single elimination tournament I saw the most passive play I've ever seen out of a purported star player. He just stood around and waited. Didnt even really serve as much of a decoy.
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