NFT: Knicks Chat: 3/27

On dallas. OKC scored the last 14 points of the game to win by 1.

Kings interested in Hinkie.

Phil Jackson knows he has little time left to salvage his clusterfuck of a presidency, so he'll likely make quick fix moves out of desperation. Dolan doesn't give a shit as long as he's turning a profit. Rose is stat-padding for his next contract. Melo wants 30,000 points and a Hall of Fame enshrinement. Everyone's looking out for number one at the expense of what's best for the franchise.

To hear Hornacek talk about trying to build some momentum for next year made me laugh out loud. Wanna build momentum? Get your hands on Jackson, Tatum or Ball - not Malik Monk.

That has to come from above, always. Coaches think short term. The franchise bears the responsibility of the prudent and long term view.

Except the Knicks, who haven't had a plan since ever.

In comment 13408687 bceagle05 said:

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Phil Jackson knows he has little time left to salvage his clusterfuck of a presidency, so he'll likely make quick fix moves out of desperation. Dolan doesn't give a shit as long as he's turning a profit. Rose is stat-padding for his next contract. Melo wants 30,000 points and a Hall of Fame enshrinement. Everyone's looking out for number one at the expense of what's best for the franchise. To hear Hornacek talk about trying to build some momentum for next year made me laugh out loud. Wanna build momentum? Get your hands on Jackson, Tatum or Ball - not Malik Monk.

How much can you really blame on the players though?

Melo is 32. We've been too coddled as fans by Dirk and Duncan and Nash, star players who didn't fall off until their 40s, but those are guys are the exceptions and not the norms. If you want to get mad at Melo for not adapting, sure I guess.

Jackson traded for an oft injured PG who has been shooting sub 40% in seasons prior and is on his last deal of FA. I don't know that you expect him to cater to KP. Again, he's in the meat of his career, I'm not sure how much you can expect him to change his game at this point of his career.

He would have instructed the coach to limit Melo's minutes (he def needs less wear on those tires) limit Rose's minutes (he is gone at end of season) and just play the players who will likely be back next year.

Even the coach has little to gain by winning a couple of meaningless games. Horn will be back next year and a top 3-4 pick could make next year more successful than the 7-9 pick.

Typical Knicks very very shortsighted planning.

3 hours ago – via New York Daily News
Joakim Noah could begin his 20-game suspension for failing a drug test as soon as Wednesday, meaning best-case scenario he’ll miss 12 games next season when games actually matter. Noah, who is recovering from knee surgery, was examined by doctors prior to Monday’s game to determine if he can practice again. If Noah is medically cleared, he can train with the team Tuesday and the league will have to start his suspension a day later when New York hosts the Heat — starting the clock with eight games remaining in this lost season.

In comment 13408733 PhilSimms15 said:

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He would have instructed the coach to limit Melo's minutes (he def needs less wear on those tires) limit Rose's minutes (he is gone at end of season) and just play the players who will likely be back next year. Even the coach has little to gain by winning a couple of meaningless games. Horn will be back next year and a top 3-4 pick could make next year more successful than the 7-9 pick. Typical Knicks very very shortsighted planning.

The sat a healthy Melo twice. So they severely limited his minutes.

The Knicks were not going to close out the season with 14 consecutive losses. So people shouldnt have a panic attack about them picking up a win here or there.

in where we pick, and could be a big difference. Yeah, kudos to the Knicks for sitting him for two games. Whatever. Playing Melo and Rose for 35 minutes each last night was unnecessary. They still may have won the game but let's stop pretending that it's okay to win a game here or there. Will it happen? Probably. But we don't need to facilitate it.

I don't blame the players. And I don't blame Hornacek. They are all trying to win. The fact that Hornacek played Melo and Rose so much last night is just proof that the FO hasn't instructed him to "lose." Which is discouraging. The only focus right now should be draft positioning.

You can absolutely play Melo and Rose. However, you cannot have them taking over and winning games, which then can (and will) certainly do.

It's funny how the logic behind injuries is being applied. They are rushing Noah back in order to get the clock started on his suspension. This is presumably in order to help them next year.

Why not apply that logic to Melo and Rose's 'nagging injuries". Any nba exec with a brain would see the Knicks current situation and try to lose as much as possible to maximize ping pong balls. Instead the Knicks will have two players with zero future on the Knicks playing big minutes. I can see Jackson's end of season statement now- " We like the momentum from the wins we had down the stretch", failing to mention it bumped them from the 4th spot to the 8th.

for the sake of tanking, they do not like the stigma it brings, sam hinkie lost his job for tanking..

and dont give me the lakers, the lakers could trade 5 first round licks for dwyane wade and the media would say oh what a great move the lakers made

vs "tanking" late in the season after things didn't work out.

Teams out of the race "tank" all the time at the end of the year. Most aren't as forward about it like the Suns, Lakers and 76ers. But it happens every year. I don't buy the stigma part. Get a better draft position, get a better prospect, start winning and nobody cares or even remembers.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with limiting the minutes of your better players in the last 15 games of a meaningless season. Also gives a team the change to give the younger players burn and evaluate.

I actually respect the Lakers and Suns being open about it. Why hide it?

And spare me the argument about being fair to the fans who pay to come watch. What about the shit product they've put out all year? Or Phil refusing to speak to the fanbase the entire season?

Phil should unexpectedly send Derrick Rose home before one upcoming game and tell him to go home to chicago to visit his family. Payback for going awol earlier in the season. Phil could actually get some support for doing it.

knicks are 2-8 in their last 10 and are not tanking properly?

how much more losing you want them to do?

Now we have to our part.

In comment 13410005 bceagle05 said:

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Now we have to our part.

minnesota also won

Philly had like half a team, too. Saric is really coming on strong.

In comment 13410020 bceagle05 said:

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Philly had like half a team, too. Saric is really coming on strong.

Simmons has the biggest potential, but i think saric is their best prospect..

i think embiid is jist always going to be hurt

They were only 1 game behind and would have picked before us if we were tied (we beat them twice). Up to 5th now one game behind Orlando. Once eliminated (and we are close) I would expect a BIG tank.

In comment 13410022 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 13410020 bceagle05 said: Quote: Philly had like half a team, too. Saric is really coming on strong. Simmons has the biggest potential, but i think saric is their best prospect.. i think embiid is jist always going to be hurt

Saric is going to be really good, but Simmons has top 10 player in the league potential and my way-too-early-hot take is that he will get there. He will be putting up Jokic-esque statlines (not as efficient of a shooter but more assists). If either one of the two develops a 3 point shot that's one hell of a duo in itself.

Surveyed their "Forecast panel" (no idea what that is) to rank the management decision maker(s) and the coach for each team on a 0-10 scale. The Knicks came in last. Not good to be perceived as the worst run team in the league but that is what they are.

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