NFT: Yankees almost end of ST thread

coupled with Ellsbury and Gardner they might actually have a running game.

In comment 13408265 Dunedin81 said:

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it's a great read. Nuggets about almost everyone of consequence, so it's a long read. Link - ( New Window )

Great stuff. Thanks.
I can see why Littell is the kind of young player one would want to root for.

to add Wade to the 40. Does that make sense?

In comment 13408265 Dunedin81 said:

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it's a great read. Nuggets about almost everyone of consequence, so it's a long read. Link - ( New Window )

Great read. Thanks Dune for leading me to RAB. Just passed the website it to my father in law. I check in on Mike and his guys daily.
Still stoked about the minors and the young guys. Only way to improve the year is Jacoby going away. I don't hate him, just the ridiculous intractable contract. What idiot pays him that money when he was never better than Gardner. It is worse than the Hank's A-Rod contract.

Anyway, this could be a very good year.

In comment 13408421 yatqb said:

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to add Wade to the 40. Does that make sense?

They won't cut Carter yet. They gave him too much. Ideally they trade Ref or put Austin on the 60 day.

losing a spot based on spring training. And do the Yanks want to start the arbitration clocks on their young players in April?

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losing a spot based on spring training. And do the Yanks want to start the arbitration clocks on their young players in April?

Depends on the player. Torres and Frazier no, borderline guys like Wade and even Montgomery I doubt it's a major consideration.

I think the Yanks and the fans need to be patient because big guys have ups and downs. Also hope Hicks comes on strong and helps our team but believe Judge will grow as a right fielder. Torres, Frazier, Austin, Mateo, McKinney, Florial and a host of others have a great chance to be Yanks in the near future. My wishful starting pitchers in the next couple of years are Tanaka, Severino, Kaprelian, Montgomery, and Adams. I also hope we take a hard look at the Japanese player Ohtani. Don't want much but I am very excited about our future. Sorry to ramble...just ready for some baseball.

In comment 13408017 Heisenberg said:

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I don't really know this scout, but he's super high on Montgomery. Quote: Every game I watch as a scout is a treat. There are some games, however, when I see a position player or pitcher that makes me want to scream, “Hey, look at this guy! Do you see what he’s doing?” That happened to me in a recent spring training game in Port Charlotte, Florida. The Tampa Bay Rays were hosting the New York Yankees in a meaningless spring training game. They are meaningless perhaps for the veterans just trying to get in shape and work toward opening day. But spring games are mega meaningful for prospects on the cusp of earning a place on the team’s 25-man roster. Long and lankly lefty Jordan Montgomery took the mound as the starting pitcher for the Yankees. I had never seen him pitch. I had never heard any buzz about him at all. It didn’t take long for Montgomery to make me sit up in my seat and take notice. Here’s what I saw: He filled up the strike zone with fastballs, sliders and changeups. He used a very solid repertoire of outstanding pitches and kept the Rays off-balance. In his 4.1 innings, Montgomery struck out eight and walked none. His command and control were impeccable. Montgomery threw his fastball between 91 and 93 miles per hour with terrific late movement on the ball. He would mix in a very solid 85 mph slider and a changeup that would greet the hitter at 84 miles per hour and buckled their knees. His curveball is another offering that he throws at 71 mph. Montgomery knows how to pitch. He uses all quadrants of the plate and certainly isn’t afraid to work inside. He has excellent mound demeanor. He is very savvy and cool on the mound and doesn’t get rattled or distracted. Montgomery has the ability to be a dominating pitcher. Link - ( New Window )

I like reading this because I have been high on Montgomery. He is the only young pitcher who really pitched well enough to earn a spot in the rotation this year. Last year he was more dominant in AAA than AA. I would love for him to be in the rotation.

Korma is not very good. With so many other very good young prospects, investing any time with Korma on the big club seems a waste. I feel similarly about Hicks. He had his chance and showed he likely already hit his ceiling. He has a great arm, but is not a great defender. Right now, I think Judge is as much better option with an actual ceiling. And, there are other prospects very close. Hicks is a waste of a spot.

I had no problem sigoing Carter. But that was insurance. With all the young guys he looking great and Holliday hitting, there is no need for Carter. He really shouldn't take a single regular AB from Bird or Judge. I guess he's fine for about a game a week to give a guy a rest.

Severino is the biggest conundrum. He has shown not to be special as a starter because of his secondary stuff. But, I think he still has shown just enough talent to not give up on him as a starter. In my opinion, the only way he should make the team out of camp is if they determine he is a reliever. You don't throw him out there to work on his stuff again. That should be in Scranton with this being his make or break year. Either he masters his secondary stuff and starts, or you only consider him a reliever moving forward.

In comment 13408745 Matt M. said:

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Korma is not very good. With so many other very good young prospects, investing any time with Korma on the big club seems a waste. I feel similarly about Hicks. He had his chance and showed he likely already hit his ceiling. He has a great arm, but is not a great defender. Right now, I think Judge is as much better option with an actual ceiling. And, there are other prospects very close. Hicks is a waste of a spot.

It is Pete Kozma and he is a fair player. He can play IF or OF. He looked decent in the games I watched this spring. While he wouldn't be considered for the Bronx if Didi was healthy, he's not a bad player. His value is he can field several positions at a major league bench level. Not sure of his bat, but probably fair to below average. I'd prefer to see Wade, but the 40 man roster spot is the problem. If they lose Kozma when he goes through waivers to be taken off the 40, no big deal. Same cannot be said for Wade.

Hicks has played very well in ST, and you are just wrong on his defense. He is good with that cannon arm. He has great range and might very well be better in CF than Ellsbury. Since August last year his bat has gotten much better. This spring he has truly pushed Judge for the right field job, but his true value is he can play all 3 OF positions beyond capably.

I'm one of the few that agrees with you on Severino.

That's really it.

I also think his defense is strong, not just his arm but his range...gold glove? No...but a 4th OF good enough to play all 3 positions well is valuable.

The Yanks have conviction in him - I can see him playing 3-4 games a week, spelling Judge but also Gardy and Ellsbury, who we all know gets banged up often.

But also agree we should give Judge every chance to play regularly, no just platoon against lefties.

I haven't seen him live enough to make this comparison physically, but the stories of Montgomery make me think of a young Pettitte - a less heralded prospect at the time bc he wasn't overpowering, rarely threw harder than 91-92 coming up, but had command of 4 pitches that were effective against both righties and lefties. Plus easily repeatable, non-violent mechanics that helped him stay mostly healthy

In comment 13408768 mfsd said:

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I also think his defense is strong, not just his arm but his range...gold glove? No...but a 4th OF good enough to play all 3 positions well is valuable. The Yanks have conviction in him - I can see him playing 3-4 games a week, spelling Judge but also Gardy and Ellsbury, who we all know gets banged up often. But also agree we should give Judge every chance to play regularly, no just platoon against lefties. I haven't seen him live enough to make this comparison physically, but the stories of Montgomery make me think of a young Pettitte - a less heralded prospect at the time bc he wasn't overpowering, rarely threw harder than 91-92 coming up, but had command of 4 pitches that were effective against both righties and lefties. Plus easily repeatable, non-violent mechanics that helped him stay mostly healthy

On Montgomery = Pettitte. IMO, that is exactly right. Just to show how prospect rankings can look bad in hindsight, through most of the early 1990's, the Yanks top SP were Brien Taylor (who I still believe would have been a star if he had not hurt that shoulder) and Sterling Hitchcock. Pettitte just went year to year and then burst on the scene.

People also forget that in 1995, many thought that the Yanks top prospect was Ruben Rivera, followed closely by Derek Jeter.

I also think that Pettitte kind of snuck up on most NY media because everyone thought that the Mets had 3 future superstar SP in Wilson, Isringhausen and Pulsipher.

Is reminiscent of Andy's, but his stuff is more like Boomer's.

but the Andy comparison makes a lot of sense. Both horses, both strike-throwers with deep repertoires, neither one really a strikeout pitcher though. Neither dominant in the minors but both pitching to high-2's-low 3's ERA at every stop along the way. We'll see whether those comparisons hold if/when Montgomery starts getting regular starts at the major league level.

In comment 13409033 rich in DC said:

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In comment 13408768 mfsd said: Quote: I also think his defense is strong, not just his arm but his range...gold glove? No...but a 4th OF good enough to play all 3 positions well is valuable. The Yanks have conviction in him - I can see him playing 3-4 games a week, spelling Judge but also Gardy and Ellsbury, who we all know gets banged up often. But also agree we should give Judge every chance to play regularly, no just platoon against lefties. I haven't seen him live enough to make this comparison physically, but the stories of Montgomery make me think of a young Pettitte - a less heralded prospect at the time bc he wasn't overpowering, rarely threw harder than 91-92 coming up, but had command of 4 pitches that were effective against both righties and lefties. Plus easily repeatable, non-violent mechanics that helped him stay mostly healthy On Montgomery = Pettitte. IMO, that is exactly right. Just to show how prospect rankings can look bad in hindsight, through most of the early 1990's, the Yanks top SP were Brien Taylor (who I still believe would have been a star if he had not hurt that shoulder) and Sterling Hitchcock. Pettitte just went year to year and then burst on the scene. People also forget that in 1995, many thought that the Yanks top prospect was Ruben Rivera, followed closely by Derek Jeter. I also think that Pettitte kind of snuck up on most NY media because everyone thought that the Mets had 3 future superstar SP in Wilson, Isringhausen and Pulsipher.

Was Ruben Rivera the one who stole Jeter's glove to sell for money, or was that someone else?

In comment 13409352 Mike from SI said:

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In comment 13409033 rich in DC said: Quote: In comment 13408768 mfsd said: Quote: I also think his defense is strong, not just his arm but his range...gold glove? No...but a 4th OF good enough to play all 3 positions well is valuable. The Yanks have conviction in him - I can see him playing 3-4 games a week, spelling Judge but also Gardy and Ellsbury, who we all know gets banged up often. But also agree we should give Judge every chance to play regularly, no just platoon against lefties. I haven't seen him live enough to make this comparison physically, but the stories of Montgomery make me think of a young Pettitte - a less heralded prospect at the time bc he wasn't overpowering, rarely threw harder than 91-92 coming up, but had command of 4 pitches that were effective against both righties and lefties. Plus easily repeatable, non-violent mechanics that helped him stay mostly healthy On Montgomery = Pettitte. IMO, that is exactly right. Just to show how prospect rankings can look bad in hindsight, through most of the early 1990's, the Yanks top SP were Brien Taylor (who I still believe would have been a star if he had not hurt that shoulder) and Sterling Hitchcock. Pettitte just went year to year and then burst on the scene. People also forget that in 1995, many thought that the Yanks top prospect was Ruben Rivera, followed closely by Derek Jeter. I also think that Pettitte kind of snuck up on most NY media because everyone thought that the Mets had 3 future superstar SP in Wilson, Isringhausen and Pulsipher. Was Ruben Rivera the one who stole Jeter's glove to sell for money, or was that someone else?

It was Rube Rivera. Million $$ talent, five cent head.

Never amounted to anything in the show, but IIRC as the story goes, when he was being scouted by the Yanks as a teenager, he recommended they also take a look at his cousin Mariano - for that, he holds a special place in Yankees history

can't have hurt his case for RF.

Gardy
Sanchez
Bird
Holliday
Ellsbury

Then some combo/order of Judge/Hicks, Headley, Castro, and Torreyes until Didi comes back.

I like that plan - Sanchez will likely be our highest OBP guy, giving him protection of Bird will help him get more pitches to hit too

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Wade's locker is empty. #Yankees

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Yanks make one move official. Tyler Wade reassigned to minor league camp, presumably to the RailRiders.

Typical Girardi garbage...I hope the team tanks and he and Cashman finally get fired!

Kaprielian in my keeper league, make me look good Kap!

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Typical Girardi garbage...I hope the team tanks and he and Cashman finally get fired!

Wade has no AAA time and if added will occupy a 40-man spot all season, while Kozma can be easily DFA'ed. I have my qualms with Girardi and with Cashman, but this is not an occasion for them.

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Joe Girardi confirms that the Yankees will not name a fifth starter. They will carry eight relievers until April 16.

MLB experience is more valuable. Kozma is garbage. The Yankees have no shot at winning this year so continue the transition to young players!

Didi will be back in a month anyway.

In comment 13410561 Greg from LI said:

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Didi will be back in a month anyway.

Yup and Cash commented in a recent interview they've screwed up a couple guys by rushing them. Mostly pitchers, but it's obvious they're trying to stay on plan with the kids

that the Yankees have a chance to win this year? Be rational and there is only one conclusion and that is this is another transitional year to a much younger and more competitive team going forward.

The Yankees do not have the starting pitching to compete. Even if the youngsters step up and succeed they won't have enough inning for October!

The Yankees need to dump as many veterans as possible unless they have a future and that number is very small. Play as many young players as they can bearing in mind that none get a full year of service time.

Kozma gives the Yankees NOTHING! He is a waste! Just typical crap that is unnecessary when building for the future!

Cashman and Girardi need to be FIRED!

Yes, I do think the future of this team is extremely bright!

What the hell do the Yankees' odds of winning anything have to do with rushing Tyler Wade to the majors when A)he's never played above AA B)he's not going to stay a fulltime shortstop anyway with Torres breathing down his neck and C)Kozma's only around as a glove on the bench anyway? Torreyes is going to be the starting SS in Didi's absence. Deviating from the development plan and burning one of his options so Wade can ride the pine until Didi returns in a month is simply stupid.

And you can bitch and moan about Cashman all you want, but he's the guy that restocked the farm system with all these great prospects in a rather short time, and Girardi's recent teams have consistently outperformed their pythag. You do a lot of loud whining while saying nothing.

he is horrible at everything a fan wants. He brings nothing to the organization that 10th grader couldn't do!

Wade deserves to be here...he earns this chance. I want to see what he can do. Torreyes and Kozma have no value to the next team...Wade might!

So let's hurry up and fire the manager and GM responsible for putting us in this situation!!

All joking aside, Girardi ain't perfect, but IMO he does a fine job managing the roster, especially the younger players and bullpen. A big part of managing now in the mostly post-steroids/greenies era is keeping a roster rested and fresh through the second half...which means using all 25 guys and giving the starters regular rest, as they can't rely on their now-banned supplements to stay strong through the season. That goes for all of baseball, not just the Yankees.

This team has over-achieved the last couple seasons, we really had no business competing for a playoff spot all season last year.

Cashman has made some bad moves (Ellsbury and Headley contracts, for starters), but he got the chance to go all in with the youth movement last season, and early returns show he played it like an ace. He'll get a long leash to see how the organization develops from here.

Neither of them are going anywhere, unless they want to.

He hit .259/.352/.349. Wanna see his MLB projections for this year?

PECOTA: .233/.299/.353 (.227 TAv)
Steamer: .224/.284/.315 (61 wRC+)
ZiPS: .234/.299/.316 (67 wRC+)

Torreyes, as a minor leaguer, hit .269/.327/.369 in AA and .258/.305/.374 in the Bronx. In other words, Wade at this point is unlikely to hit any more than Torreyes will. What's the big rush? Let Wade get his feet wet in Scranton and let him get some reps in the OF so he can be the supersub they're planning while Torres is the future at SS.

Let him continue to get regular ABs and pay a ton of positions for us down in AAA, and when he's really ready bring him up.

agree with Greg and mfsd. I know it can be frustrating . One point though I want to make.The Yanks have also shown in the past that they don't trust/have confidence in some of the kids. Yeah Sanchez came up and essentialy took the job away from McCann. However, he pretty much had to set records to do it. Let's not forget the B.S. with Steven Drew.Refsnyder never was given a chance to take over that position. The only reason why Girardi put Refsnyder in at the end of the season, was because Drew was not physically able to play. I am curious and hope Refsnyder gets traded and gets a chance to play everyday just to see what he can really do. Sometimes the Yanks base there lineup on payroll rather than performance. Mitchell,Warren and Severino all had better springs than CC. I understand it's spring training and CC being a veteran gets to just pitch into shape. However, come mid June and CC is pitching lousy you really think he will be removed from the rotation?

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he is horrible at everything a fan wants. He brings nothing to the organization that 10th grader couldn't do! Wade deserves to be here...he earns this chance. I want to see what he can do. Torreyes and Kozma have no value to the next team...Wade might!

People like you are the reason the team spent a decade plus avoiding a real rebuild. Just absolutely no knowledge of how player development works.

now I am a bad fan for being realistic? Girardi is terrible at explaining why he does things. He gets praised for pen management but if you really look he loses winable games. He is a reactive manager when I prefer a proactive manager. I want to push action, be aggressive. I want to see young players play and not sit on the bench so a has been can continue. To me, Girardi has been a huge disappointment!

in 1-run games. Girardi is far from perfect but getting that awful roster over .500 was a small miracle.

but how many games did he give up on? I watched many games last year and saw plenty that they might have won had a different approach been implemented. Girardi is fine as long as he has the superior team but he's horrible when he doesn't. I would take twenty other managers over him.

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Girardi is fine as long as he has the superior team but he's horrible when he doesn't.

Again, you're talking out of your ass. The Yankees have outperformed their pythag for most of the past several seasons. They've overachieved with a weak roster. You're given concrete examples and you respond with meaningless abstractions.

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but how many games did he give up on? I watched many games last year and saw plenty that they might have won had a different approach been implemented. Girardi is fine as long as he has the superior team but he's horrible when he doesn't. I would take twenty other managers over him.

Just like Greg said above...Girardi has outperformed his Pythag in 6 of the 9 seasons he's been managing the club. But go on about him and needing superior teams to win.

But guess what - you could say that about pretty much any manager. He manages the pen well and he's kept the clubhouse mostly free of drama and tabloid fodder.

LMFAO...this makes someone a good manager? Give me a break! Girardi is not a good manager of the pen...frankly he is well below average. Girardi is not a leader. What he and Cashman are...night managers. Guys who can keep production going but never ask them to do more than that. If you do we get what we have now...mediocrety!

Based on what?

truly one of life's IQ tests.

If Girardi was fired tomorrow he'd have a manager's job the very next day.

The Yanks had no business competing the last two seasons. They aren't any good. Yet they did. I wonder why.

Everyone hates the baseball mgr. It's tiring.

you think he is good at managing the pen? Why?