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Dunedin81 : 3/27/2017 12:54 pm
Ruben Tejada was sent down today, along with Solano, meaning that the SS competition now appears to be between Pete Kozma and Tyler Wade.

Indications are that Severino is likely to end up with one of the remaining two rotation spots.

Judge and Hicks are still neck and neck. Judge has played well, but so has Hicks and Hicks is arguably the better defender (and can play all three spots).
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They want Wade to succeed  
superspynyg : 3/27/2017 12:59 pm : link
They want him to be our Ben Zobrist. Good hitter who can may all over.

They have always been high on Hicks potential. Last year may have been a down year. If Hicks wins does Judge go to AAA or will he be on the bench?

I have a hard time believing Hicks is going to start over Judge  
The_Boss : 3/27/2017 1:00 pm : link
Both have played well this spring. If it's neck and neck, as it appears it is, the Yanks are going to likely go with their home grown prospect. He's not going to cut down on his K's if he's playing 2-3 times a week.
RE: I have a hard time believing Hicks is going to start over Judge  
The_Boss : 3/27/2017 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13407969 The_Boss said:
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Both have played well this spring. If it's neck and neck, as it appears it is, the Yanks are going to likely go with their home grown prospect. He's not going to cut down on his K's if he's playing 2-3 times a week.


Actually he will cut down his K's. Ha. The bottom line is Judge needs consistent AB's. He won't grow as a player if he's a platoon RF.
RE: They want Wade to succeed  
rich in DC : 3/27/2017 1:04 pm : link
In comment 13407967 superspynyg said:
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They want him to be our Ben Zobrist. Good hitter who can may all over.

They have always been high on Hicks potential. Last year may have been a down year. If Hicks wins does Judge go to AAA or will he be on the bench?


Hicks is going to play against LHP and have either Ellsbury or Gardner sit. He's also insurance against the inevitable Ellsbury DL stint.
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SoZKillA : 3/27/2017 1:05 pm : link
Kozma and Chris Carter... they're so incredibly bad.
Seems to me...  
GiantJake : 3/27/2017 1:09 pm : link
that Torreyes is going to play SS and Kozma will carried as defensive insurance. Wade should be the SS at Scranton. Kozma is expendable and it's not tragic if he eventually needs to be designated for assignment to open a 40 man roster spot. There is a decent chance that he would pass through waivers and wind up back at Scranton.
RE: .  
nygnyy274 : 3/27/2017 1:11 pm : link
In comment 13407980 SoZKillA said:
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Kozma and Chris Carter... they're so incredibly bad.






Carter is a strikeout machine. I think he's had like 35 at bats this spring and has struck out 24 times
Yea I think Hicks will be the 4th OF  
Stu11 : 3/27/2017 1:13 pm : link
He seems to be well suited for that role. I know some say send Severino down to work on his secondary stuff. Problem is they did that last year and we are right back in the same place. I think the time is now, especially with the team expectations not so high this year to find out if he can be a successful SP vs. major league hitters. His future may be in the pen, but either way I think now is the time to find out.
Carter?  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 3/27/2017 1:26 pm : link
Anyone who strikes out 24 times in 35 at bats cannot play in the Major Leagues. Unless he homers the other nine times.
Math?  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 3/27/2017 1:27 pm : link
or should I say, homers the other 11 times!
RE: Math?  
giants#1 : 3/27/2017 1:28 pm : link
In comment 13408010 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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or should I say, homers the other 11 times!


If he homered 9 times in 35 ABs, it wouldn't matter if he struck out 24 times and popped up the other 2!
I posted this on another thread - Jordan Montgomery write up  
Heisenberg : 3/27/2017 1:32 pm : link
I don't really know this scout, but he's super high on Montgomery.

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Every game I watch as a scout is a treat. There are some games, however, when I see a position player or pitcher that makes me want to scream, “Hey, look at this guy! Do you see what he’s doing?”

That happened to me in a recent spring training game in Port Charlotte, Florida.

The Tampa Bay Rays were hosting the New York Yankees in a meaningless spring training game. They are meaningless perhaps for the veterans just trying to get in shape and work toward opening day. But spring games are mega meaningful for prospects on the cusp of earning a place on the team’s 25-man roster.

Long and lankly lefty Jordan Montgomery took the mound as the starting pitcher for the Yankees. I had never seen him pitch. I had never heard any buzz about him at all.

It didn’t take long for Montgomery to make me sit up in my seat and take notice. Here’s what I saw: He filled up the strike zone with fastballs, sliders and changeups. He used a very solid repertoire of outstanding pitches and kept the Rays off-balance. In his 4.1 innings, Montgomery struck out eight and walked none. His command and control were impeccable.

Montgomery threw his fastball between 91 and 93 miles per hour with terrific late movement on the ball. He would mix in a very solid 85 mph slider and a changeup that would greet the hitter at 84 miles per hour and buckled their knees. His curveball is another offering that he throws at 71 mph.

Montgomery knows how to pitch. He uses all quadrants of the plate and certainly isn’t afraid to work inside. He has excellent mound demeanor. He is very savvy and cool on the mound and doesn’t get rattled or distracted.

Montgomery has the ability to be a dominating pitcher.

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RE: .  
Del Shofner : 3/27/2017 1:36 pm : link
In comment 13407980 SoZKillA said:
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Kozma and Chris Carter... they're so incredibly bad.


Kozma at least can pick it as a fielder.
Mayo on the Yanks' Spring  
Dunedin81 : 3/27/2017 1:45 pm : link
Good stuff about Torres and Mateo, names Park and Florial potential sleepers.
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Heisenberg  
Dunedin81 : 3/27/2017 1:46 pm : link
The Sale comparison was a bit much, but Montgomery has improved significantly - stuff, K rates - over the last year so there's a chance that he could be more than just a fringey back-end guy.
RE: Heisenberg  
superspynyg : 3/27/2017 2:16 pm : link
In comment 13408032 Dunedin81 said:
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The Sale comparison was a bit much, but Montgomery has improved significantly - stuff, K rates - over the last year so there's a chance that he could be more than just a fringey back-end guy.


People love the guys that throw 100. But if you can thrown low 90's with nasty secondary pitches to keep hitters off balance, then you can have great success.
Yeah, the comps are strange to hear but Montgomery has really produced  
Heisenberg : 3/27/2017 2:25 pm : link
It would be fun for him to win the job out of ST.
Carter strikes out a ton  
djm : 3/27/2017 2:27 pm : link
but his OBP isn't bad and he's a run producer. If he can get on base at a 340 clip he's worthy of getting at bats.
RE: RE: Heisenberg  
Victor in CT : 3/27/2017 2:35 pm : link
In comment 13408077 superspynyg said:
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In comment 13408032 Dunedin81 said:


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The Sale comparison was a bit much, but Montgomery has improved significantly - stuff, K rates - over the last year so there's a chance that he could be more than just a fringey back-end guy.



People love the guys that throw 100. But if you can thrown low 90's with nasty secondary pitches to keep hitters off balance, then you can have great success.


Yes. It's called "pitching". Baseball seems to have collectively forgotten at every level that it's about getting outs, not hitting MPH on a radar gun.
Hicks  
PaulN : 3/27/2017 2:40 pm : link
Is going to get plenty of at bats as the backup for every outfield position, why would he be a right fielder, it makes no sense and is stupid, the Yanks can't be that stupid. Hicks may possibly be a better player then Gardner and Ellsbury now, if he continues to play like he has, Hicks and Judge have been better then Gardner and Ellsbury. What I see is that Hicks, Ellsbury, Gardner, and Judge will all get about 400-450 at bats, if you times 600 by 3 and divide by 4 that is 450, they need more power from the outfield, this is a way to get that, you simply can not play both Gardner and Ellsbury on the same day too many times, it is counter productive.

Wade makes all the sense in the world to stay up, him and Torreyes will do a very good job here. You have your starting 9, you add Hicks, Wade, Romine and the stupidest move in the world, Carter, and that gives us 13.
Severino  
PaulN : 3/27/2017 2:51 pm : link
Is going to get one of the starting roles, but I don't think he is going to succeed in that role, I think he is destined for the bullpen and he could be very successful there. I think they may start out with Green as the forth starter, I don't think Montgomery is going to start out on the big club, too few innings in triple a, I think he will be a mid season call up, and I also think the yanks are going to make a trade for Quintana, not that I agree, but I think it will happen unless they play so bad they are not in contention, then they will trade off the players they can for more prospects.
The solution is obvious  
Ron from Ninerland : 3/27/2017 2:57 pm : link
DFA Khris Karter on opening day and add Montgomery to the 40. I really hope we don't have to watch this stiff constantly strike out and strand runners until they finally give up on him in June.
When  
mitch300 : 3/27/2017 3:03 pm : link
the Yanks signed Carter I think it was as an insurance policy in case Bird wouldn't make the team. With Bird and Holiday doing well, when will Carter get at bats? How effect will he be getting an at bat 1-2 week.
It would be nice if Severino makes it as a starter. But if he doesn't  
Victor in CT : 3/27/2017 3:04 pm : link
they could move him into the Bettances role and trade Bettances since he is getting close to FA. THey'd proably get a good return, and Sev fills the role cheaply for the next 5 years.

But I am still hoping that Severino (and perhaps Montgomery) makes it the is year as a starter. And next year a healthy Kaprelian. Alot to ask, but isn't that what March ans Spring Training is for?
RAB's prospect preview...  
Dunedin81 : 3/27/2017 3:59 pm : link
it's a great read. Nuggets about almost everyone of consequence, so it's a long read.
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I hope they give Taylor Wade  
mavric : 3/27/2017 4:05 pm : link
a shot at SS while Didi recovers. The kid has superb defensive skills and is smooth as glass. He used to be thought of "glove only" and would already qualify as one of the top defensive SS's in the majors. But he has shown in Spring Training that he also swings a pretty sweet bat. I like the kid a lot and hope he sticks
And that speed...  
Dunedin81 : 3/27/2017 4:15 pm : link
coupled with Ellsbury and Gardner they might actually have a running game.
RE: RAB's prospect preview...  
Jay in Toronto : 3/27/2017 4:31 pm : link
In comment 13408265 Dunedin81 said:
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it's a great read. Nuggets about almost everyone of consequence, so it's a long read. Link - ( New Window )


Great stuff. Thanks.
I can see why Littell is the kind of young player one would want to root for.
I'm guessing that they'll have to trade Refsnyder or dump Carter  
yatqb : 3/27/2017 5:44 pm : link
to add Wade to the 40. Does that make sense?
RE: RAB's prospect preview...  
section125 : 3/27/2017 7:04 pm : link
In comment 13408265 Dunedin81 said:
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it's a great read. Nuggets about almost everyone of consequence, so it's a long read. Link - ( New Window )


Great read. Thanks Dune for leading me to RAB. Just passed the website it to my father in law. I check in on Mike and his guys daily.
Still stoked about the minors and the young guys. Only way to improve the year is Jacoby going away. I don't hate him, just the ridiculous intractable contract. What idiot pays him that money when he was never better than Gardner. It is worse than the Hank's A-Rod contract.

Anyway, this could be a very good year.
RE: I'm guessing that they'll have to trade Refsnyder or dump Carter  
Dunedin81 : 3/27/2017 7:05 pm : link
In comment 13408421 yatqb said:
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to add Wade to the 40. Does that make sense?


They won't cut Carter yet. They gave him too much. Ideally they trade Ref or put Austin on the 60 day.
Carter isn't  
LS : 3/27/2017 7:54 pm : link
losing a spot based on spring training. And do the Yanks want to start the arbitration clocks on their young players in April?
RE: Carter isn't  
Dunedin81 : 3/27/2017 8:21 pm : link
In comment 13408536 LS said:
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losing a spot based on spring training. And do the Yanks want to start the arbitration clocks on their young players in April?


Depends on the player. Torres and Frazier no, borderline guys like Wade and even Montgomery I doubt it's a major consideration.
Huge Judge fan  
dune69 : 3/27/2017 8:29 pm : link
I think the Yanks and the fans need to be patient because big guys have ups and downs. Also hope Hicks comes on strong and helps our team but believe Judge will grow as a right fielder. Torres, Frazier, Austin, Mateo, McKinney, Florial and a host of others have a great chance to be Yanks in the near future. My wishful starting pitchers in the next couple of years are Tanaka, Severino, Kaprelian, Montgomery, and Adams. I also hope we take a hard look at the Japanese player Ohtani. Don't want much but I am very excited about our future. Sorry to ramble...just ready for some baseball.
RE: I posted this on another thread - Jordan Montgomery write up  
Matt M. : 3/28/2017 6:20 am : link
In comment 13408017 Heisenberg said:
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I don't really know this scout, but he's super high on Montgomery.



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Every game I watch as a scout is a treat. There are some games, however, when I see a position player or pitcher that makes me want to scream, “Hey, look at this guy! Do you see what he’s doing?”

That happened to me in a recent spring training game in Port Charlotte, Florida.

The Tampa Bay Rays were hosting the New York Yankees in a meaningless spring training game. They are meaningless perhaps for the veterans just trying to get in shape and work toward opening day. But spring games are mega meaningful for prospects on the cusp of earning a place on the team’s 25-man roster.

Long and lankly lefty Jordan Montgomery took the mound as the starting pitcher for the Yankees. I had never seen him pitch. I had never heard any buzz about him at all.

It didn’t take long for Montgomery to make me sit up in my seat and take notice. Here’s what I saw: He filled up the strike zone with fastballs, sliders and changeups. He used a very solid repertoire of outstanding pitches and kept the Rays off-balance. In his 4.1 innings, Montgomery struck out eight and walked none. His command and control were impeccable.

Montgomery threw his fastball between 91 and 93 miles per hour with terrific late movement on the ball. He would mix in a very solid 85 mph slider and a changeup that would greet the hitter at 84 miles per hour and buckled their knees. His curveball is another offering that he throws at 71 mph.

Montgomery knows how to pitch. He uses all quadrants of the plate and certainly isn’t afraid to work inside. He has excellent mound demeanor. He is very savvy and cool on the mound and doesn’t get rattled or distracted.

Montgomery has the ability to be a dominating pitcher.

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I like reading this because I have been high on Montgomery. He is the only young pitcher who really pitched well enough to earn a spot in the rotation this year. Last year he was more dominant in AAA than AA. I would love for him to be in the rotation.
I really am at a loss with some of the Yankees thinking  
Matt M. : 3/28/2017 6:34 am : link
Korma is not very good. With so many other very good young prospects, investing any time with Korma on the big club seems a waste. I feel similarly about Hicks. He had his chance and showed he likely already hit his ceiling. He has a great arm, but is not a great defender. Right now, I think Judge is as much better option with an actual ceiling. And, there are other prospects very close. Hicks is a waste of a spot.

I had no problem sigoing Carter. But that was insurance. With all the young guys he looking great and Holliday hitting, there is no need for Carter. He really shouldn't take a single regular AB from Bird or Judge. I guess he's fine for about a game a week to give a guy a rest.

Severino is the biggest conundrum. He has shown not to be special as a starter because of his secondary stuff. But, I think he still has shown just enough talent to not give up on him as a starter. In my opinion, the only way he should make the team out of camp is if they determine he is a reliever. You don't throw him out there to work on his stuff again. That should be in Scranton with this being his make or break year. Either he masters his secondary stuff and starts, or you only consider him a reliever moving forward.
RE: I really am at a loss with some of the Yankees thinking  
section125 : 3/28/2017 7:15 am : link
In comment 13408745 Matt M. said:
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Korma is not very good. With so many other very good young prospects, investing any time with Korma on the big club seems a waste. I feel similarly about Hicks. He had his chance and showed he likely already hit his ceiling. He has a great arm, but is not a great defender. Right now, I think Judge is as much better option with an actual ceiling. And, there are other prospects very close. Hicks is a waste of a spot.


It is Pete Kozma and he is a fair player. He can play IF or OF. He looked decent in the games I watched this spring. While he wouldn't be considered for the Bronx if Didi was healthy, he's not a bad player. His value is he can field several positions at a major league bench level. Not sure of his bat, but probably fair to below average. I'd prefer to see Wade, but the 40 man roster spot is the problem. If they lose Kozma when he goes through waivers to be taken off the 40, no big deal. Same cannot be said for Wade.

Hicks has played very well in ST, and you are just wrong on his defense. He is good with that cannon arm. He has great range and might very well be better in CF than Ellsbury. Since August last year his bat has gotten much better. This spring he has truly pushed Judge for the right field job, but his true value is he can play all 3 OF positions beyond capably.

I'm one of the few that agrees with you on Severino.
Yeah the attraction of Kozma is that he's a easy DFA...  
Dunedin81 : 3/28/2017 7:38 am : link
That's really it.
Hicks has had a strong spring  
mfsd : 3/28/2017 7:54 am : link
I also think his defense is strong, not just his arm but his range...gold glove? No...but a 4th OF good enough to play all 3 positions well is valuable.

The Yanks have conviction in him - I can see him playing 3-4 games a week, spelling Judge but also Gardy and Ellsbury, who we all know gets banged up often.

But also agree we should give Judge every chance to play regularly, no just platoon against lefties.

I haven't seen him live enough to make this comparison physically, but the stories of Montgomery make me think of a young Pettitte - a less heralded prospect at the time bc he wasn't overpowering, rarely threw harder than 91-92 coming up, but had command of 4 pitches that were effective against both righties and lefties. Plus easily repeatable, non-violent mechanics that helped him stay mostly healthy

RE: Hicks has had a strong spring  
rich in DC : 3/28/2017 11:11 am : link
In comment 13408768 mfsd said:
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I also think his defense is strong, not just his arm but his range...gold glove? No...but a 4th OF good enough to play all 3 positions well is valuable.

The Yanks have conviction in him - I can see him playing 3-4 games a week, spelling Judge but also Gardy and Ellsbury, who we all know gets banged up often.

But also agree we should give Judge every chance to play regularly, no just platoon against lefties.

I haven't seen him live enough to make this comparison physically, but the stories of Montgomery make me think of a young Pettitte - a less heralded prospect at the time bc he wasn't overpowering, rarely threw harder than 91-92 coming up, but had command of 4 pitches that were effective against both righties and lefties. Plus easily repeatable, non-violent mechanics that helped him stay mostly healthy


On Montgomery = Pettitte. IMO, that is exactly right. Just to show how prospect rankings can look bad in hindsight, through most of the early 1990's, the Yanks top SP were Brien Taylor (who I still believe would have been a star if he had not hurt that shoulder) and Sterling Hitchcock. Pettitte just went year to year and then burst on the scene.

People also forget that in 1995, many thought that the Yanks top prospect was Ruben Rivera, followed closely by Derek Jeter.

I also think that Pettitte kind of snuck up on most NY media because everyone thought that the Mets had 3 future superstar SP in Wilson, Isringhausen and Pulsipher.
His seeming obscurity  
Phil in LA : 3/28/2017 11:19 am : link
Is reminiscent of Andy's, but his stuff is more like Boomer's.
Repertoires are somewhat different...  
Dunedin81 : 3/28/2017 1:24 pm : link
but the Andy comparison makes a lot of sense. Both horses, both strike-throwers with deep repertoires, neither one really a strikeout pitcher though. Neither dominant in the minors but both pitching to high-2's-low 3's ERA at every stop along the way. We'll see whether those comparisons hold if/when Montgomery starts getting regular starts at the major league level.
RE: RE: Hicks has had a strong spring  
Mike from SI : 3/28/2017 1:33 pm : link
In comment 13409033 rich in DC said:
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In comment 13408768 mfsd said:


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I also think his defense is strong, not just his arm but his range...gold glove? No...but a 4th OF good enough to play all 3 positions well is valuable.

The Yanks have conviction in him - I can see him playing 3-4 games a week, spelling Judge but also Gardy and Ellsbury, who we all know gets banged up often.

But also agree we should give Judge every chance to play regularly, no just platoon against lefties.

I haven't seen him live enough to make this comparison physically, but the stories of Montgomery make me think of a young Pettitte - a less heralded prospect at the time bc he wasn't overpowering, rarely threw harder than 91-92 coming up, but had command of 4 pitches that were effective against both righties and lefties. Plus easily repeatable, non-violent mechanics that helped him stay mostly healthy




On Montgomery = Pettitte. IMO, that is exactly right. Just to show how prospect rankings can look bad in hindsight, through most of the early 1990's, the Yanks top SP were Brien Taylor (who I still believe would have been a star if he had not hurt that shoulder) and Sterling Hitchcock. Pettitte just went year to year and then burst on the scene.

People also forget that in 1995, many thought that the Yanks top prospect was Ruben Rivera, followed closely by Derek Jeter.

I also think that Pettitte kind of snuck up on most NY media because everyone thought that the Mets had 3 future superstar SP in Wilson, Isringhausen and Pulsipher.


Was Ruben Rivera the one who stole Jeter's glove to sell for money, or was that someone else?
RE: RE: RE: Hicks has had a strong spring  
Victor in CT : 3/28/2017 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13409352 Mike from SI said:
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In comment 13409033 rich in DC said:


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In comment 13408768 mfsd said:


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I also think his defense is strong, not just his arm but his range...gold glove? No...but a 4th OF good enough to play all 3 positions well is valuable.

The Yanks have conviction in him - I can see him playing 3-4 games a week, spelling Judge but also Gardy and Ellsbury, who we all know gets banged up often.

But also agree we should give Judge every chance to play regularly, no just platoon against lefties.

I haven't seen him live enough to make this comparison physically, but the stories of Montgomery make me think of a young Pettitte - a less heralded prospect at the time bc he wasn't overpowering, rarely threw harder than 91-92 coming up, but had command of 4 pitches that were effective against both righties and lefties. Plus easily repeatable, non-violent mechanics that helped him stay mostly healthy




On Montgomery = Pettitte. IMO, that is exactly right. Just to show how prospect rankings can look bad in hindsight, through most of the early 1990's, the Yanks top SP were Brien Taylor (who I still believe would have been a star if he had not hurt that shoulder) and Sterling Hitchcock. Pettitte just went year to year and then burst on the scene.

People also forget that in 1995, many thought that the Yanks top prospect was Ruben Rivera, followed closely by Derek Jeter.

I also think that Pettitte kind of snuck up on most NY media because everyone thought that the Mets had 3 future superstar SP in Wilson, Isringhausen and Pulsipher.



Was Ruben Rivera the one who stole Jeter's glove to sell for money, or was that someone else?


It was Rube Rivera. Million $$ talent, five cent head.
Yup, that was Ruben Rivera  
mfsd : 3/28/2017 1:50 pm : link
Never amounted to anything in the show, but IIRC as the story goes, when he was being scouted by the Yanks as a teenager, he recommended they also take a look at his cousin Mariano - for that, he holds a special place in Yankees history
Judge hit one off the batter's eye...  
Dunedin81 : 3/29/2017 8:02 am : link
can't have hurt his case for RF.
Sounds like Girardi is planning to bat Sanchez 2nd  
mfsd : 3/29/2017 8:48 am : link
Gardy
Sanchez
Bird
Holliday
Ellsbury

Then some combo/order of Judge/Hicks, Headley, Castro, and Torreyes until Didi comes back.

I like that plan - Sanchez will likely be our highest OBP guy, giving him protection of Bird will help him get more pitches to hit too
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