According to Pat Leonard of the New York Daily News, the Giants have expressed interest in bringing former Jets center Nick Mangold to the blue side of the stadium.
1) Mangold is pretty beat up. And can he even move enough to play guard.
2) If Mangold IS healthy enough to play C, you would want him to play there. Richburg to me is a big ? at C, but that makes Richburg a backup, because he was a horrid guard.
3) Richburg is as big a ? as Flowers. Loads of people here shit on Flowers, and he has struggled, but too many act as if Richburg is the answer at C. I don't think he is. Too weak physically
Anything else would be pure gravy at this point. Would be nice insurance at all the interior O-Line positions.
Not to mention, good backup option at LG in case we need to kick Justin Pugh over to Left Tackle.......if Ereck Flowers gets injured or doesn't improve over his play from last year.
It's a Tom Coughlin expression when questioned about a player's health.
Haha I know. It's spread everywhere now, it seems, with more leniency taken on how it's used. Sportscenter would say something like "he had an ankle last year" and leave it at that.
Hard to have an opinion without knowing the cost. Would love to have him though if his mind is in the right place. Willing to come in and be a back up and battle for a starting job. Teach Richburg, would be great for his development.
but on the cheap? And I have to choose between air or Mangold? I'd take a shot. But I still think he will be on the shelf by December. IF we signed him here I just hope he doesn't come in and kick ass at guard for a few weeks only to go down and sort of ruin the cohesion. But why not take a shot...
God he's so superficial now with NY sports, especially the Giants. He likes this move because it would allow the Giants to move Fluker to LT? WTF is he talking about. Fluker won't sniff LT. He also suggested Mangold replace Richburg, who would move to guard. No Mike.
Francesa is a good listen but he definitely doesn't know the players.
but on the cheap? And I have to choose between air or Mangold? I'd take a shot. But I still think he will be on the shelf by December. IF we signed him here I just hope he doesn't come in and kick ass at guard for a few weeks only to go down and sort of ruin the cohesion. But why not take a shot...
He will come cheap or not at all.
I think he still has some gas left. He was indestructible and playing well until he hurt that ankle last year. I really think this was a cap move for the Jets. The question is, how is that ankle?
Is he done? Or was he just hurt last year and has reasonably recovered?
If it's the latter, maybe it's Flowers - Mangold - Richburg - Jerry - Pugh
I don't think they're afraid to utilize Pugh's versatility. Like Diehl - he plays where the team needs him to play. I don't see a player of Mangold's character signing to be a backup. He can either play, or he retires.
God he's so superficial now with NY sports, especially the Giants. He likes this move because it would allow the Giants to move Fluker to LT? WTF is he talking about. Fluker won't sniff LT. He also suggested Mangold replace Richburg, who would move to guard. No Mike.
Francesa is a good listen but he definitely doesn't know the players.
Yup. Mike hasn't tried in years. Rex gave him plenty to talk about, so it didn't matter he didn't know the team.
He's basically "Giants good, Jets bad" not much more than that. I always say it, but the best is when called asks about the draft. He has no clue, doesn't even try.
Is he done? Or was he just hurt last year and has reasonably recovered?
If it's the latter, maybe it's Flowers - Mangold - Richburg - Jerry - Pugh
I don't think they're afraid to utilize Pugh's versatility. Like Diehl - he plays where the team needs him to play. I don't see a player of Mangold's character signing to be a backup. He can either play, or he retires.
So, you're going to have a guy who's never played any other position than Center in either college or the pros step in at Left Guard at 33 years-old.
Is he done? Or was he just hurt last year and has reasonably recovered?
If it's the latter, maybe it's Flowers - Mangold - Richburg - Jerry - Pugh
I don't think they're afraid to utilize Pugh's versatility. Like Diehl - he plays where the team needs him to play. I don't see a player of Mangold's character signing to be a backup. He can either play, or he retires.
I would imagine that the Giants would be best suited to have Fluker play RT if he can do it.
I doubt Mangold suddenly plays guard. I could see Richburg at guard but he didn't do well there his rookie year, Camp will sort it out.
& I doubt they will, they would do it with the intention of having him start. At Center. I doubt Mangold wants to be a utility man. His entire football life, when his offense has taken the field, he gas been the pivot , when he's been healthy .
This whole line is basically a rental. Jerry's deal is really one-year disguised as a multi-year contract. What's adding another with Nick? Richburg got pushed around a little. It might serve him to watch a real talent play the position. But I don't think so.
Than Richburg on his best day. If he signs and is healthy he's the starter.
This is nonsense.
The latest crap here is richburg took a huge step back last year. One or two posters say it and now nearly everyone is saying it. Huge step backwards? Try again. Richburg was fine last year even if he wasn't great and he got better as the season progressed.
The Giants arent bringing mangold in to start over richburg get a fricking grip.
Oh and the guy who took a huge step backward last year was mangold. That's why he's still on the street looking for a job. He wasn't only hurt he wasn't as good as year's past. Watch the games.
If Mangold would sign for a reasonable salary, I see absolutely no downside. It's a veteran, he may still have something to offer (those saying they KNOW he does or doesn't ... humorous).
3rd or 4th string? lol Comparing Mangold, even on one leg, to a mid-round draft pick right now, is seriously braindead.
Is he done? Or was he just hurt last year and has reasonably recovered?
If it's the latter, maybe it's Flowers - Mangold - Richburg - Jerry - Pugh
I don't think they're afraid to utilize Pugh's versatility. Like Diehl - he plays where the team needs him to play. I don't see a player of Mangold's character signing to be a backup. He can either play, or he retires.
I would imagine that the Giants would be best suited to have Fluker play RT if he can do it.
I doubt Mangold suddenly plays guard. I could see Richburg at guard but he didn't do well there his rookie year, Camp will sort it out.
Why would you doubt Mangold suddenly plays guard for the Giants? First and foremost, Richburg is NOT moving anywhere from his center spot. He was a Pro Bowl snub last year and arguably one of the NFL's best young centers. His Pro Bowl accolades will soon follow his elite play, starting in 2017. So, the Giants aren't going to move Richburg to another spot, then replace him with Mangold.
Secondly, all NFL offensive lineman have one trait in common, regardless if you are primary career backup or Pro Bowl caliber starter and that common trait is called versatility. To stay in the league, you better be able to play multiple spots on the o-line.
Lastly, while Mangold is an aging 33-year old 7-time Pro Bowler, he can still play, period. Had he not hurt his ankle last year, it's likely he would have made another Pro Bowl. No, centers are not as elite athletically as guards and tackles, they are very similar to guards in physical attributes and do very much the same job.
If Mangold is healthy, he could easily step into the RG spot and start there for the Giants the next 1-2 years while we groom an eventual replacement and create some nice camp competition to improve our line. I still think the Giants are going to draft a young o-lineman in the upcoming draft, but a healthy Mangold would be an upgrade over Jerry, Hart, Fluker, or anyone else at RG. And, yes he's good enough and versatile enough to play guard.
RE: RE: i'm not convinced Mangold has anything left
but on the cheap? And I have to choose between air or Mangold? I'd take a shot. But I still think he will be on the shelf by December. IF we signed him here I just hope he doesn't come in and kick ass at guard for a few weeks only to go down and sort of ruin the cohesion. But why not take a shot...
He will come cheap or not at all.
I think he still has some gas left. He was indestructible and playing well until he hurt that ankle last year. I really think this was a cap move for the Jets. The question is, how is that ankle?
He was a Pro Bowler from 2013-2015 and hurt his ankle last year. How does he not have anything left in the tank?
Are we really debating that there's a chance Mangold is done? I'm not saying he is but he sure as hell might be. He's 32 not 22.
Like I said, take a shot? Why the hell not. But i'd temper expectations. And he hasn't even signed here yet. Are the Giants truly interested or is this horse shit?
1) Mangold is pretty beat up. And can he even move enough to play guard.
2) If Mangold IS healthy enough to play C, you would want him to play there. Richburg to me is a big ? at C, but that makes Richburg a backup, because he was a horrid guard.
3) Richburg is as big a ? as Flowers. Loads of people here shit on Flowers, and he has struggled, but too many act as if Richburg is the answer at C. I don't think he is. Too weak physically
I Agree with you on Richburg. He is very overrated by BBI. I think he is a decent Center but not pro bowler. I don't mind him being the start but we do need to upgrade this line. Tired of seeing Eli on his back or rushing his throws without time to scan the field.
I was just about to mention this. There's a bit of irony watching people currently dismissed recent injuries on popular free agents lineman as incidental after watching so many on here scream about the Giants not jettisoning their own injured lineman soon enough
That's clearly what the Giants must be thinking. They need more bodies, it wouldn't hurt to bring him to camp and see if he is viable injury insurance.
I'm not sure why every potential signing has to be a big fucking drama around here. Not everyone is a potential starter.
2) If Mangold IS healthy enough to play C, you would want him to play there. Richburg to me is a big ? at C, but that makes Richburg a backup, because he was a horrid guard.
3) Richburg is as big a ? as Flowers. Loads of people here shit on Flowers, and he has struggled, but too many act as if Richburg is the answer at C. I don't think he is. Too weak physically
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Not to mention, good backup option at LG in case we need to kick Justin Pugh over to Left Tackle.......if Ereck Flowers gets injured or doesn't improve over his play from last year.
Pretty sure Mangold at 33 has played only center since 2006. If he's going to start, that moves Richburg to guard. Not sure if this is a good idea.
Would he sign for backup pay?
I'd hope he has an ankle this year as well.
I'd hope he has an ankle this year as well.
It's a Tom Coughlin expression when questioned about a player's health.
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I'd hope he has an ankle this year as well.
It's a Tom Coughlin expression when questioned about a player's health.
Haha I know. It's spread everywhere now, it seems, with more leniency taken on how it's used. Sportscenter would say something like "he had an ankle last year" and leave it at that.
NYG has an opening at RG, if Mangold is motivated enough to work for it.
Since when do NYG have an opening at RG?
They already have a guy there who's started 86 games in his career, was resigned after starting all 17 in 2016, and had his salary doubled (literally)
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and often a liability versus the run.
NYG has an opening at RG, if Mangold is motivated enough to work for it.
Since when do NYG have an opening at RG?
They already have a guy there who's started 86 games in his career, was resigned after starting all 17 in 2016, and had his salary doubled (literally)
He's baaack!
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and often a liability versus the run.
NYG has an opening at RG, if Mangold is motivated enough to work for it.
Since when do NYG have an opening at RG?
They already have a guy there who's started 86 games in his career, was resigned after starting all 17 in 2016, and had his salary doubled (literally)
You must say he is resilient.
Jerry should sign him as a PR director.
How long before he is kicked again?
He will come cheap or not at all.
God he's so superficial now with NY sports, especially the Giants. He likes this move because it would allow the Giants to move Fluker to LT? WTF is he talking about. Fluker won't sniff LT. He also suggested Mangold replace Richburg, who would move to guard. No Mike.
Francesa is a good listen but he definitely doesn't know the players.
He will come cheap or not at all.
I think he still has some gas left. He was indestructible and playing well until he hurt that ankle last year. I really think this was a cap move for the Jets. The question is, how is that ankle?
If it's the latter, maybe it's Flowers - Mangold - Richburg - Jerry - Pugh
I don't think they're afraid to utilize Pugh's versatility. Like Diehl - he plays where the team needs him to play. I don't see a player of Mangold's character signing to be a backup. He can either play, or he retires.
Yet, the Giants can never do so.
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But Francesa right now is loving the idea.
God he's so superficial now with NY sports, especially the Giants. He likes this move because it would allow the Giants to move Fluker to LT? WTF is he talking about. Fluker won't sniff LT. He also suggested Mangold replace Richburg, who would move to guard. No Mike.
Francesa is a good listen but he definitely doesn't know the players.
Yup. Mike hasn't tried in years. Rex gave him plenty to talk about, so it didn't matter he didn't know the team.
He's basically "Giants good, Jets bad" not much more than that. I always say it, but the best is when called asks about the draft. He has no clue, doesn't even try.
All those that say he's old and injured were probably the same posters who said the same about Mack last year
If it's the latter, maybe it's Flowers - Mangold - Richburg - Jerry - Pugh
I don't think they're afraid to utilize Pugh's versatility. Like Diehl - he plays where the team needs him to play. I don't see a player of Mangold's character signing to be a backup. He can either play, or he retires.
So, you're going to have a guy who's never played any other position than Center in either college or the pros step in at Left Guard at 33 years-old.
Got it.
Also, considering his experience at the position, he might make Jerry look like the greatest RG the world has ever seen in comparison.
If it's the latter, maybe it's Flowers - Mangold - Richburg - Jerry - Pugh
I don't think they're afraid to utilize Pugh's versatility. Like Diehl - he plays where the team needs him to play. I don't see a player of Mangold's character signing to be a backup. He can either play, or he retires.
I would imagine that the Giants would be best suited to have Fluker play RT if he can do it.
I doubt Mangold suddenly plays guard. I could see Richburg at guard but he didn't do well there his rookie year, Camp will sort it out.
Also, considering his experience at the position, he might make Jerry look like the greatest RG the world has ever seen in comparison.
Mangold made $8.6M last year and was due a total of $9M in 2017. He's going to cost a lot to sign, methinks.
This is just an agent trying to stir up some interest. Mangold isn't going to the Giants to start at C.
I'm all for bringing in ' The Best Player Available' via F.A.
You never know....Right?
Richburg show d signs his second year but took a big step back last year. Probably not the Solution longterm
This whole line is basically a rental. Jerry's deal is really one-year disguised as a multi-year contract. What's adding another with Nick? Richburg got pushed around a little. It might serve him to watch a real talent play the position. But I don't think so.
Arc, I agree. Doesn't make sense as Schwartz tweeted. And... we do have a backup center who did OK when Richburg got kicked out of a game (dumbass).
This is nonsense.
The latest crap here is richburg took a huge step back last year. One or two posters say it and now nearly everyone is saying it. Huge step backwards? Try again. Richburg was fine last year even if he wasn't great and he got better as the season progressed.
The Giants arent bringing mangold in to start over richburg get a fricking grip.
Oh and the guy who took a huge step backward last year was mangold. That's why he's still on the street looking for a job. He wasn't only hurt he wasn't as good as year's past. Watch the games.
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3rd or 4th string? lol Comparing Mangold, even on one leg, to a mid-round draft pick right now, is seriously braindead.
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Is he done? Or was he just hurt last year and has reasonably recovered?
If it's the latter, maybe it's Flowers - Mangold - Richburg - Jerry - Pugh
I don't think they're afraid to utilize Pugh's versatility. Like Diehl - he plays where the team needs him to play. I don't see a player of Mangold's character signing to be a backup. He can either play, or he retires.
I would imagine that the Giants would be best suited to have Fluker play RT if he can do it.
I doubt Mangold suddenly plays guard. I could see Richburg at guard but he didn't do well there his rookie year, Camp will sort it out.
Why would you doubt Mangold suddenly plays guard for the Giants? First and foremost, Richburg is NOT moving anywhere from his center spot. He was a Pro Bowl snub last year and arguably one of the NFL's best young centers. His Pro Bowl accolades will soon follow his elite play, starting in 2017. So, the Giants aren't going to move Richburg to another spot, then replace him with Mangold.
Secondly, all NFL offensive lineman have one trait in common, regardless if you are primary career backup or Pro Bowl caliber starter and that common trait is called versatility. To stay in the league, you better be able to play multiple spots on the o-line.
Lastly, while Mangold is an aging 33-year old 7-time Pro Bowler, he can still play, period. Had he not hurt his ankle last year, it's likely he would have made another Pro Bowl. No, centers are not as elite athletically as guards and tackles, they are very similar to guards in physical attributes and do very much the same job.
If Mangold is healthy, he could easily step into the RG spot and start there for the Giants the next 1-2 years while we groom an eventual replacement and create some nice camp competition to improve our line. I still think the Giants are going to draft a young o-lineman in the upcoming draft, but a healthy Mangold would be an upgrade over Jerry, Hart, Fluker, or anyone else at RG. And, yes he's good enough and versatile enough to play guard.
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but on the cheap? And I have to choose between air or Mangold? I'd take a shot. But I still think he will be on the shelf by December. IF we signed him here I just hope he doesn't come in and kick ass at guard for a few weeks only to go down and sort of ruin the cohesion. But why not take a shot...
He will come cheap or not at all.
I think he still has some gas left. He was indestructible and playing well until he hurt that ankle last year. I really think this was a cap move for the Jets. The question is, how is that ankle?
He was a Pro Bowler from 2013-2015 and hurt his ankle last year. How does he not have anything left in the tank?
Are we really debating that there's a chance Mangold is done? I'm not saying he is but he sure as hell might be. He's 32 not 22.
Like I said, take a shot? Why the hell not. But i'd temper expectations. And he hasn't even signed here yet. Are the Giants truly interested or is this horse shit?
2) If Mangold IS healthy enough to play C, you would want him to play there. Richburg to me is a big ? at C, but that makes Richburg a backup, because he was a horrid guard.
3) Richburg is as big a ? as Flowers. Loads of people here shit on Flowers, and he has struggled, but too many act as if Richburg is the answer at C. I don't think he is. Too weak physically
I Agree with you on Richburg. He is very overrated by BBI. I think he is a decent Center but not pro bowler. I don't mind him being the start but we do need to upgrade this line. Tired of seeing Eli on his back or rushing his throws without time to scan the field.
I was just about to mention this. There's a bit of irony watching people currently dismissed recent injuries on popular free agents lineman as incidental after watching so many on here scream about the Giants not jettisoning their own injured lineman soon enough
T is/was an issue but it would be a little better if Eli could step up to avoid the rush from time to time (he sure aint gonna out run it)...
I'm not sure why every potential signing has to be a big fucking drama around here. Not everyone is a potential starter.