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NFL Approves Automatic Ejection for Egregious Head Shots

pjcas18 : 3/28/2017 2:06 pm
more details to follow, but on the surface, judgment calls like this one tend to be problematic.

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....The owners also approved a rule on automatic ejections for egregious hits to the head. This new rule comes a year after the league implemented an automatic ejection system for players who committed two personal fouls in the same game.

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Oh, yeah....  
TheGhostofBlueGuy : 3/28/2017 2:08 pm : link
...the fix is in now.

Rodney Harrison and Brandon Meriweather approve of this message.
This feels like a process that should happen after careful review  
Go Terps : 3/28/2017 2:09 pm : link
i.e. review video of the play after the game and suspend the player for the following game(s). Putting it on the refs is tough.

This isn't soccer, which is a relatively simple game with few rules. NFL refs are already overtaxed.
this should be interesting.  
Victor in CT : 3/28/2017 2:10 pm : link
can't wait to se a star player tossed from a playoff game for something that may not have been intentional.
Sounds good on paper  
ZogZerg : 3/28/2017 2:11 pm : link
Depends on how they implement it.
I agree, this should be reviewed before ejecting.
Good "if"  
mrvax : 3/28/2017 2:14 pm : link
the local ref calls it and an automatic live review by the NFL office confirms it.

Dawkins would have had a much shorter NFL career.
Player safety  
pjcas18 : 3/28/2017 2:14 pm : link
needs to be paramount and not just lip service, but two days ago Goodell was talking about speeding up the game.

If they have to do a lengthy review of every hit to the head to see if an ejection is warranted the games could all be extended well beyond eliminating a couple commercials.

Half the time now when the refs call a hit to the head on review it shows it's actually not or not a direct hit

but I'll wait to see the plans for how they plan to decide.
Let them hit!  
est1986 : 3/28/2017 2:17 pm : link
Let them play baseball if they dont want to get hit! How else do you stop a Odell Beckham type player if you cant hit him when its the only defense, pull up on a guy like that and he kills you all day.
How can it be automatic  
Deej : 3/28/2017 2:17 pm : link
if you have a subjective evaluation of the penalty? I guess it's more automatic if they call that penalty, but then refs will just be gunshy about making that call.
The problem with these calls  
allstarjim : 3/28/2017 2:23 pm : link
And we see it in the college game, is that the defensive player will often aim for the mid-section of the receiver to deliver a forceful, yet legal blow to hopefully dislodge the football but at least bring the receiver down immediately without forward progress.

The receiver, aware that a hit is coming, will often times "ball-up", bringing their head down to the oncoming defensive players strike zone, in essence, putting their own head in the path of the hit. There is no way for a defensive player to react to that to avoid the helmet-to-helmet in these situations. Oftentimes, even when the player is attempting to lead with the shoulder, the helmet-to-helmet contact is made, often forcibly, without intent, and the defensive player is the one who is always penalized.

We've seen how these judgement calls are adjudicated unevenly. Players don't want to hurt other players in the vast majority of cases. They know that egregiously violent hits on defenseless players are going to hit them in the wallet. This is a solution looking for a problem. I hate this, they are hurting the game. Refs cannot clearly define what an "egregious head shot" is consistently, and therein lies the problem, because this will negatively impact football games. Increase the fines, have a future suspension on the table, but an ejection in-game? It has failed in the college game and this will be worse.
Can't wait to see this called six different ways, in six different....  
Britt in VA : 3/28/2017 2:24 pm : link
games, on the same Sunday.
College refs have been fairly poor in this judgement  
JonC : 3/28/2017 2:25 pm : link
It makes it pretty obvious which have never played football before.
RE: Let them hit!  
mfsd : 3/28/2017 2:25 pm : link
In comment 13409446 est1986 said:
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Let them play baseball if they dont want to get hit! How else do you stop a Odell Beckham type player if you cant hit him when its the only defense, pull up on a guy like that and he kills you all day.


Nobody's saying don't hit him - they're trying to rule out the over the top blatant head shots to defenseless receivers.

I'm all for preserving the physicality of the game, but I can understand the concept here. Also agree it's putting a heavy burden on refs to rule correctly on plays that happen in the blink of an eye
Now We'll All Look For What They Mean By Egregious  
Trainmaster : 3/28/2017 2:26 pm : link
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Egregious: conspicuous; especially : conspicuously bad : flagrant egregious errors


So if a receiver takes an "egregious hit" because the receiver moved his head after the defender started the "tackling process", it might be egregious, but doesn't it also have to be intentional?


Merriam-Webster: Egregious - ( New Window )
I can't see this working  
UConn4523 : 3/28/2017 2:27 pm : link
for the reasons already outlined. Too much on the line to get a call like this wrong.
Proper technique  
MotownGIANTS : 3/28/2017 2:28 pm : link
.... is that it takes ...

Back to basics ....
Glad that they did away with Leaping over the line  
BlackLight : 3/28/2017 2:28 pm : link
on FGs and PATs. I never thought it was a "dangerous" play, just a bush-league one.
So it has to be a hit to the head  
giantgiantfan : 3/28/2017 2:39 pm : link
and egregious...what constitutes egregious?
RE: So it has to be a hit to the head  
Giantfan in skinland : 3/28/2017 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13409492 giantgiantfan said:
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and egregious...what constitutes egregious?


You know...that's a really good question.



Let me ask Jerry.
Awesome  
Danny Kanell : 3/28/2017 2:57 pm : link
More potentially game changing, subjective calls in the hands of already incompetent referees. What could go wrong?
More delays, more chances for "interpretation"  
B in ALB : 3/28/2017 3:01 pm : link
of the rules, more pissed off fans and players. Great idea!

But it DOES give homegirl ref another chance to throw her flag into the stands. So that's a plus.
The NFL may want to think about hockey-style penalties.  
81_Great_Dane : 3/28/2017 3:31 pm : link
Not in terms of playing a man short, but in terms of guys having to sit for a specified period of time.

For example: On helmet-to-helmet hits, keep the 15 yard penalty, automatic first down, but add a 5-minute penalty on the defender who initiated contact. Defender sits for 5 minutes on the game clock. Intentional or not, doesn't matter.

On the other hand, helmet-to-helmet hits are just a small part of what's damaging players' brains. The body of research is growing and it's pointing toward the flexing of the brain within the skull as a key source of long-term deterioration. That comes from impacts to the head that are common in normal football action -- a player's head hitting the ground, for example. There may be no way to prevent that, regardless of how many penalties get heaped on in the name of player safety.
The term Egregious is something a lawyer would use  
JohnF : 3/28/2017 3:52 pm : link
The NFL should have used plainer language. They are really talking about flagrant hits to the head. You could probably call this the "Cam Newton" rule...

I would hope that this is not a rule used for contact on "bang-bang" plays (such as an offensive player lowering his head to deflect a defensive player's legal hit), but more tuned to players who use shots to the head when the other player is in a defenseless mode, or who hit the head one step after the play is over, like pass rushers who get one step.

This is probably leading to "rugby" style tackling, which is more of a wrap up and not a collision hit. I think the SeaHawks DB's were do a lot of that this year; it actually might be good for both sides, as DB's take a lot of punishment trying to knock out players.
Here's the link to an ESPN article about the SeaHawks  
JohnF : 3/28/2017 4:06 pm : link
and the way they now teach tackling.

Rugby-style tackling continues to work for Seahawks' defense

Here's one from Business Insider, with a very interesting graph on Concussions:

The Seahawks' dominating defense uses a safer rugby style of tackling, and it could change the NFL

And a very good in-depth article from The Guardian (England), which talks about it from the Rugby point of view, and how Pete Carroll got involved:

Seattle Seahawks coach Pete Carroll uses rugby to tackle safety concerns.

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The General : 3/29/2017 3:35 pm : link
I get it but my issue is that probably 95% of head shots are unintentional.

Egregious leg/knee shots? Fine. But I don't believe even the most hit-happy players are intentionally going after heads.
Terps nailed it  
Torrag : 3/29/2017 3:37 pm : link
'video of the play after the game and suspend the player for the following game(s). Putting it on the refs is tough.'

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