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NFT: USMNT at Panama tonight - World Cup Qualifying - 10:05p

B in ALB : 3/28/2017 2:20 pm
These late starts are killing me. The US plays another huge game tonight on the road. After an overnight flight from San Jose, let's hope the boys are well rested and ready to go. Panama will be fired up as they currently sit third in the Hex. The US can overtake them tonight with a win and even get into 2nd place if CR loses.

In more injury news, Sebastian Lletget could be out up to 6 months following his injury vs Honduras.
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RE: 4 points and +6  
B in ALB : 3/29/2017 12:00 am : link
In comment 13410155 Jon in NYC said:
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later and we're back in control of our destiny. I'll absolutely take it.


Plenty of fleas still. But a complete turnaround after the JK debacle to start the campaign. Tonight was about a result. Get the point and get home.

Beat TnT in June. Maybe get a point in Azteca - probably not - try not to get murdered. Then beat Panama at home.

Just hold serve and you're in.
Take the point  
Go Terps : 3/29/2017 12:01 am : link
Get on the airplane, lose Jones somewhere over Mexico.
RE: These road qualifiers are grinders  
Del Shofner : 3/29/2017 12:01 am : link
In comment 13410058 Go Terps said:
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They call for calm, compact, disciplined play.

This is why it sucks that Klinsmann fucked up any cushion we might have.


A draw on the road is not bad in WCQ, other than w/r/t to the hole that was dug as GT says. I think we'll move on, but it shouldn't be as difficult as it will be.
RE: Take the point  
GF1080 : 3/29/2017 12:04 am : link
In comment 13410158 Go Terps said:
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Get on the airplane, lose Jones somewhere over Mexico.


Yes please on Jones.
I think Jones is done after this  
B in ALB : 3/29/2017 12:06 am : link
Arena isn't afraid to cut bait. Dude is 35. Time to say goodbye. If it weren't for injury he wouldn't have seen the field. They've got two months to heal up, configure a back line and get back to business without having to carry dead weight.
This moron Heath Pearce  
B in ALB : 3/29/2017 12:14 am : link
is screaming that Ream was great tonight.

I just can't. Did we watch the same game?
Jones was horrible and the reason he lacked any sort of shape  
Joey from GlenCove : 3/29/2017 5:53 am : link
I'm not 100 percent sure what his task was but I'm pretty it wasn't do whatever the fuck you want.

I' haven't watched Fulham since Dempsey played but is Ream really going to be playing in the EPL next year? He was not good as well as zusi who is not Demarcus Beasley. Zusi was getting crushed.

Another hot take was pulisic tried to do to much? Too many dribbles. Does that make sense? I need to rewatch I was fading during the second half. Ant get up at 5am and go to bed at 12
Also damn that was such a concacaf game haha  
Joey from GlenCove : 3/29/2017 6:03 am : link
Bad field
Hot
Many fouls

NO YELLOWS how was that possible
RE: .  
Gmen1982 : 3/29/2017 6:19 am : link
In comment 13410116 Go Terps said:
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Ream is disproving the myth that players get better leaving MLS for Europe. He was better with the Red Bulls.


Or it was easier for him because the play was worse.
I don't care that this was at Panama.  
Gmen1982 : 3/29/2017 8:00 am : link
We need to beat these shit teams at their place. Mexico and then maybe Costa Rica are the only away games that a draw is acceptable. It used to be a cake walk to make the World Cup. Now other countries have gotten better and we haven't kept up with our dominance. I don't think we would even qualify in South America or Europe.
shades of previous US teams  
giantfan2000 : 3/29/2017 8:04 am : link
every time they get the ball instead of attach upfield
they pull the ball back farther and farther away
a few times over the middle line !!!!

The ONLY player who would drive the ball forward when he got the ball was Pulicic!!!!

this kid is great - the future of US soccer
too bad too many old players are still on the field
These CONCACAF games are brutal  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/29/2017 8:11 am : link
But I guess if you can come away with a point on an awful field against a hackjob team while using a terrible back four, you take it?

Not that you should ever be playing Jones any more, but you definitely can't play them both in the same midfield. Literally just gaps everywhere.
This is awfully reactionary..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/29/2017 8:34 am : link
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I don't care that this was at Panama.
Gmen1982 : 8:00 am : link : reply
We need to beat these shit teams at their place. Mexico and then maybe Costa Rica are the only away games that a draw is acceptable. It used to be a cake walk to make the World Cup. Now other countries have gotten better and we haven't kept up with our dominance. I don't think we would even qualify in South America or Europe.


It has always been difficult to look at some of these away games as a gimme. They are playing on fields that are sometimes worse than HS fields, in front of crowds that are often allowed to be unruly to the point of being dangerous, and officiated by guys who are intimidated by the crowds and let physical play go unchecked.

A cake walk to make the World Cup is also an exaggeration. This time 4 years ago, Mexico was in worse shape than us and had to play a team from Oceania to make the World Cup. We will probably easily qualify and this discussion will be moot, but to act as if CONCAAF is shit and the US is a power that easily dominates them is simply untrue.
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Del Shofner : 3/29/2017 8:55 am : link
In comment 13410244 Gmen1982 said:
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It used to be a cake walk to make the World Cup..


That is completely incorrect. The US did not make the World Cup until I was 38 years old. We went from 1950 to 1990 without making the Cup.

And when we did start making it, it was no cake walk.

What are some of you smoking?
Is a little optimism allowed?  
armstead98 : 3/29/2017 9:10 am : link
First time I've seen Pulisic in a live game and HOLY SHIT he's even better than I was expecting! Yes his play to get the assist was awesome, fighting off two men much larger than he is and the presence in that moment was great.

The holy shit moment for me was when he got the ball with his back to the defender near midfield, turned and raced up the sideline with seemingly no room. It was the work of a magician. The dude is special.

Nagbas run through their team had me hyped too.

There's plenty of young talent to be excited about.
Pulisic reminds me of a young Landon Donovan so much it's eerie  
Tesla : 3/29/2017 9:51 am : link
They have identical builds and very similar games....though Donovan liked to pass more while Pulisic likes to run at players more. But both had the uncanny ability to remain absolute composure when in front of the goal.

And for those that think Pulisic is better now than Donovan ever was go back and watch some games from the 2002 World Cup, where Donovan was absolutely incredible as a 20 year old. Problem was Donovan never wanted to push himself against the best, and never realized his potential as a result. Let's hope Pulisic has that drive and continues to play thrive against the top competition in Europe. It's going to be fun to watch him develop.
The main difference between..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/29/2017 9:59 am : link
Pulisic and Donovan at their young ages is creativity. Pulisic has the ability to create his own shots and passes a little better than Donovan did. A lot of the good strikers have patience in the box, so that aspect is similar, but Pulisic is excellent at creating space and then taking advantage of that space.

We are probably looking at the best American player ever, and Pulisic will become to my son what Donovan, Howard and Dempsey have been for me, but I believe at an even higher level.
RE: The main difference between..  
Kevin in Annapolis : 3/29/2017 10:13 am : link
In comment 13410374 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Pulisic and Donovan at their young ages is creativity. Pulisic has the ability to create his own shots and passes a little better than Donovan did. A lot of the good strikers have patience in the box, so that aspect is similar, but Pulisic is excellent at creating space and then taking advantage of that space.

We are probably looking at the best American player ever, and Pulisic will become to my son what Donovan, Howard and Dempsey have been for me, but I believe at an even higher level.


I would agree with this. I would also add that both were/are very direct pacey players but Pulisic to me is a better dribbler.
RE: .  
Gmen1982 : 3/29/2017 10:31 am : link
In comment 13410289 Del Shofner said:
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In comment 13410244 Gmen1982 said:


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It used to be a cake walk to make the World Cup..



That is completely incorrect. The US did not make the World Cup until I was 38 years old. We went from 1950 to 1990 without making the Cup.

And when we did start making it, it was no cake walk.

What are some of you smoking?


Sorry I don't count pre-1990. I guess as someone involved with soccer for 30+ years and always being told that we would be a dominant team soon is making me a little impartial. I still remember in high school (1997ish?) hearing how we were developing academies that would take us to the next level. I don't have an answer but I feel like we should be better.
Pulisic's play vs Benefica in the Champions League has  
cosmicj : 3/29/2017 10:41 am : link
been really impressive. Thomas Tuchel, the Dortmund HC, inexplicably didn't start him in the first leg in Lisbon but Pulisic came in around 75' and immediately had a big impact on the game. He didn't score a goal but I was convinced that he was getting there and needed a few more minutes.

In the 2nd leg, Pulisic drove a dominant Dortmund performance and often looked like the best player on the field even with their striker Aubemayang netting a hat trick.

The next tie up vs Monaco will be very interesting, as he will be going up against Kylian Mbappe, another 19 year old who shone in the CL win over Man City. April 11 - put it in your schedule. Depending on the exact line-up, the two may match up directly against each other.
I'm really  
Tim in Capital City : 3/29/2017 10:42 am : link
Surprised that Jones and Bradley didn't pair better together. Maybe they just need some time together to work out think kinks. I definitely don't think we have a large enough sample size to think that pairing is a complete and utter failure.
Mexico played Panama  
jv : 3/29/2017 10:46 am : link
back in November for World Cup Qualifying and the game ended 0-0. Anyone disappointed by last nights result is underestimating the difficulty of a CONCACAF road game. The travel is brutal, the field is crap, the climate is difficult. All these factors made even more difficult given our roster largely consists of:

1. European based players who had to travel an incredible distance and are playing in a climate they are not remotely acclimated to

2. MLS players that are just entering season and not in top form nor acclimated to the climate

In CONCACAF you qualify for the World Cup by winning home games and trying to take points on the road. Arena has us back on that path.
GMen1982  
Go Terps : 3/29/2017 10:55 am : link
Define "better", because the only countries that are a clear step better than us are the very elite group of 6 or 7 nations at the top. More or less:

Germany
Brazil
Spain
Argentina
France
Italy
Chile (maybe)

After that, we're right there with everyone else. Breaking into that top group is very difficult, and is something that may not happen in our lifetimes.
RE: I'm really  
Go Terps : 3/29/2017 10:55 am : link
In comment 13410423 Tim in Capital City said:
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Surprised that Jones and Bradley didn't pair better together. Maybe they just need some time together to work out think kinks. I definitely don't think we have a large enough sample size to think that pairing is a complete and utter failure.


Ha no kidding.
RE: RE: The main difference between..  
giants#1 : 3/29/2017 11:23 am : link
In comment 13410382 Kevin in Annapolis said:
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In comment 13410374 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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Pulisic and Donovan at their young ages is creativity. Pulisic has the ability to create his own shots and passes a little better than Donovan did. A lot of the good strikers have patience in the box, so that aspect is similar, but Pulisic is excellent at creating space and then taking advantage of that space.

We are probably looking at the best American player ever, and Pulisic will become to my son what Donovan, Howard and Dempsey have been for me, but I believe at an even higher level.



I would agree with this. I would also add that both were/are very direct pacey players but Pulisic to me is a better dribbler.


Pulisic is better on the ball and attacking defenders than Donovan was. Both have/had great vision, speed, and composure and new how to make runs (unlike, say, Jermaine Jones!).

I was most impressed by Pulisic's defensive work last night. Did a good job tracking back and at least putting in the effort.
RE: GMen1982  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/29/2017 11:59 am : link
In comment 13410447 Go Terps said:
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Define "better", because the only countries that are a clear step better than us are the very elite group of 6 or 7 nations at the top. More or less:

Germany
Brazil
Spain
Argentina
France
Italy
Chile (maybe)

After that, we're right there with everyone else. Breaking into that top group is very difficult, and is something that may not happen in our lifetimes.


I think your overall point is correct, but if we had played Chile in the Copa, they would have smoked us. A Belgium that has its act together maybe makes that list (yet to be seen). But overall no other teams are that far away.
I would add Belgium and Netherlands.  
Gmen1982 : 3/29/2017 12:05 pm : link
I could argue that there are many more teams better than us. I do think we have a decent chance against anyone else on a given day but there are many teams better.
RE: I would add Belgium and Netherlands.  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/29/2017 12:09 pm : link
In comment 13410530 Gmen1982 said:
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I could argue that there are many more teams better than us. I do think we have a decent chance against anyone else on a given day but there are many teams better.


The Netherlands national team is a shambles right now and has been for the last year. Plenty of teams that might be better than the US but in a one-off game only few are head and shoulders better where we wouldn't have a chance.
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Go Terps : 3/29/2017 12:22 pm : link
The Dutch are on the verge of not qualifying for a second straight major tournament. They couldn't qualify for a Euro 2016 that featured the likes of Iceland, Northern Ireland, Albania, Hungary, Scotland, Norway, and Wales.

As for Belgium, for years that team has been less than the sum of its parts. Had we not been managed by a coward in 2014 we had the people to beat them.
That's what I love about soccer  
Gmen1982 : 3/29/2017 12:22 pm : link
You can beat a better team with fitness, aggression, and organization.
RE: The main difference between..  
RobCarpenter : 3/29/2017 12:23 pm : link
In comment 13410374 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Pulisic and Donovan at their young ages is creativity. Pulisic has the ability to create his own shots and passes a little better than Donovan did. A lot of the good strikers have patience in the box, so that aspect is similar, but Pulisic is excellent at creating space and then taking advantage of that space.

We are probably looking at the best American player ever, and Pulisic will become to my son what Donovan, Howard and Dempsey have been for me, but I believe at an even higher level.


No way Donovan had that level of dribbling skill needed to create the goal, especially that last move when Pulisic rolls the ball with his right foot. In fact, I'm hard pressed to think of another American player with the same level of dribbling skill that Pulisic showed on the assist.
Tab Ramos was a better dribbler than Pulisic  
Go Terps : 3/29/2017 12:25 pm : link
That's no knock on Pulisic; Ramos was a wizard.
Terps  
Gmen1982 : 3/29/2017 12:27 pm : link
I got to see that first hand about three years ago in a scrimmage I played in with him. He made a 19-20 year old in season form fall down. The guy's quickness was unreal.
Tesla makes a good point  
Nitro : 3/29/2017 12:37 pm : link
Donovan in 02 did look like the sky was the limit, but he never got to that next tier (same on a smaller scale with Beasley). Pulisic is almost assuredly going to be the best outfield player we've ever had baring injury. His work rate is incredible, and demonstrated in the goal last night which was 70% determination, 30% bad ball control by the Panamanian, as well as by his tracking back on defense.

I've taken to watching more Dortmund this year (admittedly, mostly for Pulisic though they're a fun team to watch with Aubameyang, Weigl, Dembele and co) and he's been keeping a huge money signing and German International Schurrle on the bench more or less. It's incredible.
RE: Tesla makes a good point  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/29/2017 12:42 pm : link
In comment 13410590 Nitro said:
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I've taken to watching more Dortmund this year (admittedly, mostly for Pulisic though they're a fun team to watch with Aubameyang, Weigl, Dembele and co) and he's been keeping a huge money signing and German International Schurrle on the bench more or less. It's incredible.


Sokratis!
Article sums  
slickwilly : 3/29/2017 12:44 pm : link
up the issue of Jones and Bradley together pretty well.
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RE: Tesla makes a good point  
Tesla : 3/29/2017 12:46 pm : link
In comment 13410590 Nitro said:
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Donovan in 02 did look like the sky was the limit, but he never got to that next tier (same on a smaller scale with Beasley).


I think people are really forgetting how good Donovan was at his peak. Go watch some of his highlight videos....some of his passing was unbelievably good and his finishing was tremendous. I think one of the reasons he's not more appreciated by fans was that he would have games and long stretches where he was incredibly passive and simply disappeared. For example, from memory his entire 06 World Cup was just awful.
he also had a moody petulance that took better part of a decade to  
Nitro : 3/29/2017 12:51 pm : link
shake. I remember distinctly him having issues with his now ex-wife Bianca and also of course his sabbatical from the sport.

I think this world cup should be the swan song for Howard, Dempsey and hopefully Bradley - everyone else old should be phased out beforehand.
RE: Tab Ramos was a better dribbler than Pulisic  
RobCarpenter : 3/29/2017 1:07 pm : link
In comment 13410566 Go Terps said:
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That's no knock on Pulisic; Ramos was a wizard.


Fair point.
chiming in late  
PaulBlakeTSU : 3/29/2017 4:27 pm : link
but wow was Pulisic impressive. I know I'm speaking in generalities, but it seemed like for years the US would score either from set pieces using our size, or just from being better conditioned and better athletes and willing it in the net at the right moment. But with Pulisic, we have something different. He looks like the kind of bona fide playmaker with soccer in his DNA.

Also, I was really impressed by that one run by Nagbe. I haven't seen him play much, but holy crap is he fast with the ball.
Future is Youth  
Jeffrey : 3/29/2017 6:09 pm : link
Arena needs to avoid becoming wedded to the past. Ream, Zusi, Jones and Bradley showed little last night to justify their continued position in the starting 11. Bradley has been a fixture for so long that people cannot imagine that we have alternatives. We won't either as long as he is guaranteed a position. Why does he take all the corners and most of the set pieces from distance?

Zusi gets a pass as playing out of position, though necessary given the injuries. Jones is too old and there is no way he can contribute more than a short time each game. Ream should play outside, even though that has not worked well always. Again the injuries necessitated the defensive moves. In truth the US should have lost 3-1 last night, but was saved by Howard and some poor shots from the Panama side. Take the point and get the hell out of town. Burn the film though. Go young Bruce!
I re-watched the Greece-Belgium game  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/29/2017 8:10 pm : link
Boy I'm still pissed... from Saturday!

Somebody tell me how this wasn't a red card when others were given yellows for less.
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Arena  
Jon in NYC : 3/29/2017 8:14 pm : link
and honestly the team as a whole gets a bit of a pass because there were a ton of injuries.

Yedlin, Brooks, Wood, Johnson are four regular starters that missed yesterday's game. Then throw in Zardes, Lleget, Morris, and you can see how undermanned we were.
Forgot about Cameron  
Jon in NYC : 3/29/2017 8:14 pm : link
as well.
Miazga  
GF1080 : 3/29/2017 8:19 pm : link
Will he get any burn ever? Sold to Chelsea loaned out to Dutch team and barely plays. Not good.
To say..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/29/2017 8:39 pm : link
Arena should either go mostly with youth or mostly with veterans is madness. He should play those who are in form and who give the team the best chance to win. Right now, there are several veterans and several youth who fit the bill.

The one thing I'm fairly confident in is that he'll be much more flexible in roster composition than JK was.
When  
PaulBlakeTSU : 3/29/2017 9:22 pm : link
Arena took over, the US had its back against the wall with a terrible goal differential. Youth may be the future, but the present requires qualifying for the World Cup and so I think he should play whomever gives us the best chance to win these matches, regardless of age. Focus on developing the youth in the Gold Cup.
RE: Miazga  
Tim in Capital City : 3/29/2017 9:39 pm : link
In comment 13411321 GF1080 said:
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Will he get any burn ever? Sold to Chelsea loaned out to Dutch team and barely plays. Not good.


While I agree that the Chelsea move was horrible and said it from day one. They don't play youth! It's not true that he is barely playing at Vitesse. He's starting virtually every game (including a 1-0 loss to Ajax 3/19) these days and playing well from what I have read.
well said, FatMan and Paul Blake ...  
Del Shofner : 3/29/2017 9:41 pm : link
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RE: RE: Miazga  
GF1080 : 3/29/2017 9:53 pm : link
In comment 13411371 Tim in Capital City said:
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In comment 13411321 GF1080 said:


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Will he get any burn ever? Sold to Chelsea loaned out to Dutch team and barely plays. Not good.



While I agree that the Chelsea move was horrible and said it from day one. They don't play youth! It's not true that he is barely playing at Vitesse. He's starting virtually every game (including a 1-0 loss to Ajax 3/19) these days and playing well from what I have read.


That's good news then! I looked awhile ago and was under the impression he was just a late sub sometimes. Thank you for correcting me!!!!
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