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NFT: USMNT at Panama tonight - World Cup Qualifying - 10:05p

B in ALB : 3/28/2017 2:20 pm
These late starts are killing me. The US plays another huge game tonight on the road. After an overnight flight from San Jose, let's hope the boys are well rested and ready to go. Panama will be fired up as they currently sit third in the Hex. The US can overtake them tonight with a win and even get into 2nd place if CR loses.

In more injury news, Sebastian Lletget could be out up to 6 months following his injury vs Honduras.
Lineup guesses?  
giants#1 : 3/28/2017 2:22 pm : link
Unfortunately, I assume Jones will find his way back into the lineup (replacing Lletget?).
France vs Spain on right now  
B in ALB : 3/28/2017 3:49 pm : link
Espn2. Halftime 0-0.
I watched Spain's win over Israel  
Go Terps : 3/28/2017 3:58 pm : link
They look pretty goos with the new manager. He's incorporating the younger guys (who he managed at U21). The one guy that I have been waiting for to take over the team is Thiago. If there were ever going to be a next Xavi, it's him. Enormous potential.

For Spain Russia figures to still be an Iniesta/Silva show, and then a full youth movement after. Iniesta and Silva are still otherworldly.
Looks like Deulofeu is finally contributing  
Go Terps : 3/28/2017 4:46 pm : link
Been waiting a while for him.
Terps  
B in ALB : 3/28/2017 4:47 pm : link
what do you think about the video review that they're experimenting with today?

I like it for goal situations. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Every major sport has it.
I'm actually just following online  
Go Terps : 3/28/2017 4:51 pm : link
I saw they used it a couple times. Did it take very long to get the call right?
Just an educated guess...  
Jon in NYC : 3/28/2017 5:01 pm : link
Howard
Cameron-Gonzalez-Ream-Beasley
Bedoya-Bradley-Pulisic-Nagbe
Dempsey-Altidore
Nope. It was quick.  
B in ALB : 3/28/2017 5:04 pm : link
And they got both calls correct. One disallowed for France. And one given for Spain. The pk was questionable.
.  
Go Terps : 3/28/2017 5:07 pm : link
If it's a quick turnaround, I'm all for it.

Jon...that's what I'd expect too.
Very similar to what they do in rugby  
B in ALB : 3/28/2017 5:12 pm : link
the referee stays on the field and communicates with a replay official and the call comes right away. Very efficient.

Unlike the NFL which could do the same thing but is too fucking greedy with the commercials to bother making it game/fan friendly. The ref has to stop the game, walk over to the booth, watch the damn video, then render the decision - allowing for four or five commercials.
I just saw the whole thing on Youtube  
Go Terps : 3/28/2017 5:15 pm : link
Excellent execution of the review. If that's the procedure, fantastic.

Also, the Deulofeu goal was pretty sweet. Awesome play by Busquets.
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I almost agree with Jon  
Joey from GlenCove : 3/28/2017 5:28 pm : link
Howard
Cameron-Gonzalez-Ream-Beasley
JONES-Bradley-Pulisic-Nagbe
Dempsey-Altidore

I think Jones starts... he will play a similar role to what he did in 2012. I think he can be disciplined.

Ream is just a natural fit hes also a lefty iirc.

I wonder if they look to be direct again or sit back a bit since they are away.

We are 11-3-2 alltime. We lost in the third place game in the 2015 goldcup in pks

We won in panama in 2013

couldn't join you gents for Honduras golazzo  
ColHowPepper : 3/28/2017 6:02 pm : link
so for the Canaleros, with permission, I'm going to use a post from our house expert Go Terps to offer some comments, in the rear view mirror:
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Pulisic is rightly going to get enormous attention from this
Go Terps : 3/25/2017 12:11 am : link : reply
This kid is real.
But I can't say enough good things about Bradley's movement off the ball and the impact it's having on the shape of the team. His intelligence is allowing for Pulisic, Nagbe, and everyone else up front to express themselves.
Jozy has also been involved in everything, and he's devouring the center backs. It's giving Pulisic acres of space in which to operate.

Pulisic, he's the real deal, the only concern is hamfisted teams deJong'ing him start to finish, he's still really young and not filled out, susceptible to being physically punished

I disagree re. Bradley, as I have for a couple of years: I think Bradley played ok, he was effective, but I think it wasn't so much Bradley facilitating the midfield and communication between MF and forwards as the overall play, shape, off-the-ball movement, and awareness played into Bradley's strengths. As I saw it, a lot of the play and cohesion did not even turn on Bradley as a fulcrum: he was an effective part of a functioning 10.

Nagbe--way overlooked, and good that GT mentioned him: I saw him as a minor Kanté (LC and now Chelsea, you see the difference) in the USMNT midfield; he covers huge ground, is disruptive, cuts off channels, and is a decent distributor. He seemed to fade for stretches, but he was playing deep to prevent Catrachos from setting up, he was a very significant factor

Gonzales - it will not be too soon when he is not part of the starting back 4. Had there not been the injuries, I think Cameron (pounding his chest for his Premier League credentials, meh) would have been inside with Brooks, but that's not ideal either. Agree with a different GT post: we need fullbacks.

Jozy: anyone who saw him play with Toronto toward the end of last MLS season saw a completely different player than the statue who was laboring for the USMNT most of the last two years. He is quick, he is aware, he is working to set up Wood/Pulisic/and now Dempsey, he is finding space and holes in the attacking third. imo he's been nothing short of revelatory in his new form, and he seems to be relishing it: for him it is not all about finding both. With varying combinations of Pulisic/Altidore/Dempsey/Wood, this USMNT has a really good opportunity to be really good.

The challenge against good teams is going to be the back 4: need to get some of the injured back and healthy, but I still don't see the optimal CB pairings, there's got to be someone in the woodpile we haven't seen yet.

And I'm with Joey, I think Arena wants to see how Jones blends in with this midfield group, with Bedoya coming on later for some pace and pressure.
Yeah  
Jon in NYC : 3/28/2017 6:03 pm : link
I could see Jones in a 4-2-2-2.

If we were going that route though I prefer Acosta. He's probably as good if not better now, and he's 21.
*botn* not both  
ColHowPepper : 3/28/2017 6:07 pm : link
and I forgot to add, other than the arrogant Alexei, no one was eager to throw JK under the bus, the difference was so stark, there was no necessity. The movement, hunger, drive, synch between MF and forwards, just night(mare) and day.
.  
Go Terps : 3/28/2017 6:14 pm : link
My disdain for Jones aside, he's 35 years old and plays in one of the deeper positions for the US. I think it's unlikely he's part of the trip to Russia provided we make it.

That said, if tonight is a scrappy affair it caters to his game a bit...but not enough to play him IMO. He's just such a liability. Bedoya's a much smarter, more disciplined player with experience in scrappy contests himself.
RE: .  
Joey from GlenCove : 3/28/2017 6:28 pm : link
In comment 13409792 Go Terps said:
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My disdain for Jones aside, he's 35 years old and plays in one of the deeper positions for the US. I think it's unlikely he's part of the trip to Russia provided we make it.

That said, if tonight is a scrappy affair it caters to his game a bit...but not enough to play him IMO. He's just such a liability. Bedoya's a much smarter, more disciplined player with experience in scrappy contests himself.


Easy to agree with that BUT why have him on the intial roster if he's not playing this game? I expect to seem him in some capacity

Bedoya was fine didn't do anything of note and didn't do anything bad.

Also if you guys like podcast i think  
Joey from GlenCove : 3/28/2017 6:34 pm : link
"The total soccer show"

Does a solid job previewing and reviewing the usmnt as well as epl big events and mls.
I expect more of a contest than the Honduras game  
Nitro : 3/28/2017 6:53 pm : link
So get in, get out with the W, no injuries. Not really messing with a lineup that won 6-0 means Bedoya comes in for Lleget, and as others have said, likely Ream for Brooks.

As far as Jones - I feel like he was more of a Klinsman guy but we'll see how that plays out, could see him coming on in 2nd half. Still don't like having Cameron wasted away at RB, he's far more effective in midfield.
too bad about Lletget.  
Del Shofner : 3/28/2017 7:02 pm : link
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RE: I expect more of a contest than the Honduras game  
Joey from GlenCove : 3/28/2017 7:18 pm : link
In comment 13409818 Nitro said:
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So get in, get out with the W, no injuries. Not really messing with a lineup that won 6-0 means Bedoya comes in for Lleget, and as others have said, likely Ream for Brooks.

As far as Jones - I feel like he was more of a Klinsman guy but we'll see how that plays out, could see him coming on in 2nd half. Still don't like having Cameron wasted away at RB, he's far more effective in midfield.


He did a great job winning balls at rb. I hope he can be the right cb but yea I see your midfield quandary.
Honduras and Costa Rica  
Pete in MD : 3/28/2017 8:01 pm : link
played to a draw a little while ago. Mexico and T&T scoreless at halftime.
Games on BEin and telemundo  
Joey from GlenCove : 3/28/2017 9:02 pm : link
You can also stream the game for free in the go90 app

Shows the BEin feed. English
Jones will start  
Joey from GlenCove : 3/28/2017 9:10 pm : link
Starting 11 will also include zusi. No Cameron. Wtf?

Howard
Villafana
Gonzalez
Ream
zusi
Jones
Bradley
Nagbe
Pulsic
Jozy
Demsepy
Pulsic out wide  
Joey from GlenCove : 3/28/2017 9:15 pm : link
Jones and Bradley in the middle
CHP  
pganut : 3/28/2017 9:21 pm : link
In RE: your great 6:02 post and specifically about Jozy, you mention a change in his form compared with his of two years prior. What do you attribute that to? Just returning to full health? You always have a good feel for things, so asking because I'd enjoy your opinion.
RE: Jones will start  
Pete in MD : 3/28/2017 9:33 pm : link
In comment 13409953 Joey from GlenCove said:
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Starting 11 will also include zusi. No Cameron. Wtf?

Howard
Villafana
Gonzalez
Ream
zusi
Jones
Bradley
Nagbe
Pulsic
Jozy
Demsepy

Bruce is trying to get in their heads by starting Zusi. He's very much a villain to Panama and their fans stemming from when he scored the tying goal to knock them out of qualifying for the 2014 World Cup. Check out Grant Wahl's tweet about their recent newspaper headline.
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From what I read sounds more like a diamond formation  
nyjuggernaut2 : 3/28/2017 9:52 pm : link
4-4-2.

Dempsey Jozy
Pulisic
Nagbe Jones
Bradley
Villa Ream Omar Zusi
4-5-1 to my eye.  
Del Shofner : 3/28/2017 10:03 pm : link
Altidore up top, Dempsey behind him.
and Bradley and Jones  
Del Shofner : 3/28/2017 10:04 pm : link
both playing DM.
Did I just read a banner  
B in ALB : 3/28/2017 10:05 pm : link
That said "Viva Panama....carajo (fuck)?"

Or am I seeing things?
What channel??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/28/2017 10:14 pm : link
I'm watching on Kodi but the stream is choppy as hell
.  
Go Terps : 3/28/2017 10:16 pm : link
Jones has already completed a Jones hat trick: blindly chased the ball, pulled out of position, lost his footing.

It's like watching a headless chicken.
RE: What channel??  
Del Shofner : 3/28/2017 10:17 pm : link
In comment 13410021 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I'm watching on Kodi but the stream is choppy as hell


I'm watching in Spanish on Telemundo/Universo HD, channel 775 here on Verizon FIOS in NY, but I'm sure it's different where you are.
RE: What channel??  
B in ALB : 3/28/2017 10:17 pm : link
In comment 13410021 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I'm watching on Kodi but the stream is choppy as hell


BeIn Sport. Channel 5497 on your cable box.
RE: What channel??  
Mr. Bungle : 3/28/2017 10:18 pm : link
In comment 13410021 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I'm watching on Kodi but the stream is choppy as hell

BeInSports, Telemundo, Universo
Real nice surface  
B in ALB : 3/28/2017 10:18 pm : link
they're playing on. I've seen better rec fields. What an embarrassment.
Del..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/28/2017 10:19 pm : link
thanks. Just saw it is on Univision. The feed I have is for beinsports, but I don't get that channel, but it is the announcers from the other night.

Stream is less choppy, but it isn't HD. May have to trade off the language barrier.
RE: What channel??  
guitarguybs12 : 3/28/2017 10:19 pm : link
In comment 13410021 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I'm watching on Kodi but the stream is choppy as hell


I wont post the link, but you go to the soccerstreams subreddit...there is a topic for streams for the game. The current top voted post is a nice HD youtube livestream in English.
RE: Real nice surface  
Mr. Bungle : 3/28/2017 10:21 pm : link
In comment 13410030 B in ALB said:
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they're playing on. I've seen better rec fields. What an embarrassment.

Nothing will ever be worse than the Cuba match.
US not  
Jon in NYC : 3/28/2017 10:22 pm : link
looking all that great early on. Bradley with two bad turnovers already. Could easily steal Panama stealing this if they aren't careful.
RE: CHP  
ColHowPepper : 3/28/2017 10:22 pm : link
In comment 13409965 pganut said:
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In RE: your great 6:02 post and specifically about Jozy, you mention a change in his form compared with his of two years prior. What do you attribute that to? Just returning to full health? You always have a good feel for things, so asking because I'd enjoy your opinion.
hey, pga, thanks for kind words (always in short supply, lol): maturity, playing for a coach he can relate to--clearly not JK, too stuctured--he's getting to free lance, and, shocker, he's good at it, because with his size and increasing savvy, he's not easy to mark and deny. When he was stationary, it made the task so much easier...so, my ignorant two cents.

(tough stretch for Isles after that big win just a week ago, I know, not this thread)
If prisons had soccer fields,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 3/28/2017 10:27 pm : link
I imagine they'd look just like this.

Thank GOD... I thought Pulisic had blown out his knee or something.
How are you watching?  
armstead98 : 3/28/2017 10:28 pm : link
I'm in a hotel with limited channels but have a TV subscription so should be able to watch on an app...
U.S. Gotta keep its composure  
B in ALB : 3/28/2017 10:30 pm : link
Panama fouling a lot. Targeting Pulicic as expected.
BeIN  
Jim in Scranton : 3/28/2017 10:34 pm : link
is such garbage. It doesn't work on my computer, my Mac, DirectTV app, and their own crappy app. Tried it on Firefox, Chrome, Safari, and Edge.
Bradley and Jones doing a lot of sprinting  
Go Terps : 3/28/2017 10:35 pm : link
Midfield wide open. Looks familiar.
typical CONCACAF road game  
Del Shofner : 3/28/2017 10:39 pm : link
===> not very attractive soccer.
RE: U.S. Gotta keep its composure  
Del Shofner : 3/28/2017 10:40 pm : link
In comment 13410046 B in ALB said:
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Panama fouling a lot. Targeting Pulicic as expected.


They are, and the kid is manning up so far. He seems pretty tough despite his slightness of build.
RE: RE: CHP  
pganut : 3/28/2017 10:42 pm : link
In comment 13410041 ColHowPepper said:
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hey, pga, thanks for kind words (always in short supply, lol): maturity, playing for a coach he can relate to--clearly not JK, too stuctured--he's getting to free lance, and, shocker, he's good at it, because with his size and increasing savvy, he's not easy to mark and deny. When he was stationary, it made the task so much easier...so, my ignorant two cents.

(tough stretch for Isles after that big win just a week ago, I know, not this thread)
Thanks. It definitely seemed like he wasn't the same from his dynamic earlier days. It's good to see him hungry. As for your last statement, it is the source of some disappointment-laden agita here. But as you said, for another time.
These road qualifiers are grinders  
Go Terps : 3/28/2017 10:42 pm : link
They call for calm, compact, disciplined play.

This is why it sucks that Klinsmann fucked up any cushion we might have.
Pulisic  
Jon in NYC : 3/28/2017 10:45 pm : link
is a fucking Monster.

Holy shit.
Pulisic and Dempsey!  
Del Shofner : 3/28/2017 10:45 pm : link
.
DEMPSEY!!!!  
Mr. Bungle : 3/28/2017 10:46 pm : link
From PULISIC!!!
Pulicic  
B in ALB : 3/28/2017 10:46 pm : link
Wow
What a fucking play by this kid  
Go Terps : 3/28/2017 10:46 pm : link
.
The kid is a stone cold assassin  
pganut : 3/28/2017 10:46 pm : link
Great work
He's better than Donovan. Right now.  
B in ALB : 3/28/2017 10:48 pm : link
Never seen skill from a U.S. player like this. Maybe Tab Ramos vs Brazil in 94.
Zusi  
Jon in NYC : 3/28/2017 10:48 pm : link
is getting skinned at right back.

Why did Cameron get benched again?
crap!  
Del Shofner : 3/28/2017 10:49 pm : link
.
And there it is  
B in ALB : 3/28/2017 10:50 pm : link
Terrible defense. Letting the ball drop.

Ream has been absolute shit.
That was Jones's guy  
Go Terps : 3/28/2017 10:51 pm : link
He's the gift that keeps on fucking us.
RE: And there it is  
Jon in NYC : 3/28/2017 10:51 pm : link
In comment 13410073 B in ALB said:
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Terrible defense. Letting the ball drop.

Ream has been absolute shit.


Ream literally ducked instead of heading the ball away.

Brutal. He and Zusi are just not good enough.
Ream needs to call it and head the ball  
B in ALB : 3/28/2017 10:53 pm : link
away from danger. Instead, he turns his fucking back? Terrible.

And per usual, Jones is a complete liability.
tied at the half on the road, can't say we deserve better based on  
Del Shofner : 3/28/2017 10:53 pm : link
the play. Don't panic, guys ...
I thought we'd keep more of the ball  
Joey from GlenCove : 3/28/2017 10:56 pm : link
O well sucks when you're back line is in shambles.

RE: Zusi  
Joey from GlenCove : 3/28/2017 10:57 pm : link
In comment 13410070 Jon in NYC said:
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is getting skinned at right back.

Why did Cameron get benched again?


Hurt
Jones is the number one reason we haven't had more of the ball  
Go Terps : 3/28/2017 11:00 pm : link
When he doesn't have it he is out of position and dragging Bradley with him. When he does get the ball he loses it and starts a counter the other way.

And of course when he's asked to mark someone on a free kick he leaves his man and forces Pulisic to scramble too late.

They should take the number off his shirt and replace it with a minus.
Messi leaving Barca?!  
Joey from GlenCove : 3/28/2017 11:02 pm : link
What
Our D was terrible on their goal.  
CT Charlie : 3/28/2017 11:04 pm : link
But their D was even worse, leaving Dempsey unmarked on his goal.
RE: Messi leaving Barca?!  
Jon in NYC : 3/28/2017 11:04 pm : link
In comment 13410087 Joey from GlenCove said:
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What


Huh? Where'd you see that?

That has been rumored for a bit.
Jones  
GF1080 : 3/28/2017 11:06 pm : link
He's pretty much terrible at everything at this point. Any young Mid could replace him easy.
You just knew  
B in ALB : 3/28/2017 11:11 pm : link
Road game, terrible and pathetic surface, fired up crowd, ref showing no cautions to Panama for repeated fouls, short overnight flight...this one was bound to be a dogfight.

Gotta at least secure a result. Can't lose the game.
Zusi  
Jon in NYC : 3/28/2017 11:12 pm : link
skinned again.

Get him out of there.
RE: Zusi  
B in ALB : 3/28/2017 11:12 pm : link
In comment 13410101 Jon in NYC said:
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skinned again.

Get him out of there.


For who Jon?
I don't  
Jon in NYC : 3/28/2017 11:14 pm : link
care. Acosta has experience at RB.
Always Defense  
Jeffrey : 3/28/2017 11:15 pm : link
Bradley, Zuni, Ream and Jones have not played well. Altidore and Dempsey have been involved very little.
Is Dempsey going to chase at all  
B in ALB : 3/28/2017 11:16 pm : link
up front? Or is he in trot mode already?
Ream getting  
Jon in NYC : 3/28/2017 11:21 pm : link
absolutely schooled again. And again. And again.

What a liability.
This ref is pathetic.  
yatqb : 3/28/2017 11:22 pm : link
Feels like we're playing the old Detroit Pistons.
Jermain Jones  
B in ALB : 3/28/2017 11:22 pm : link
just standing there like a slug 10 yards away, can't receive the ball properly because he's just standing there flat footed, and bangs it into the defender wasting a long run by Pulicic and a halfway decent counter.

Leading to a counter the other way and an eventual near goal by Tejada.

Jones. Sucks.
.  
Go Terps : 3/28/2017 11:23 pm : link
Ream is disproving the myth that players get better leaving MLS for Europe. He was better with the Red Bulls.
RE: Ream getting  
Mr. Bungle : 3/28/2017 11:23 pm : link
In comment 13410112 Jon in NYC said:
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absolutely schooled again. And again. And again.

What a liability.

He's got an appropriate name on his back.
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Tim Ream could play in a sunday league  
B in ALB : 3/28/2017 11:24 pm : link
and he still can't fucking clear the ball with his right foot.
.  
Go Terps : 3/28/2017 11:25 pm : link
Jones is one of the worst players I can recall ever putting on the uniform. I don't know who he is blowing to constantly get opportunities.
At  
Jon in NYC : 3/28/2017 11:25 pm : link
this rate we're going to give up a goal.

Bruce needs to make a sub. Get Jones off.
I'd prefer Jermaine Jackson  
Mr. Bungle : 3/28/2017 11:27 pm : link
out there instead.
One  
Jon in NYC : 3/28/2017 11:27 pm : link
underrated bright spot is Villafana absolutely putting the lock down on the LB spot. He's been very very solid. Allows Johnson to move back to midfield when he's healthy.
Our back line is SO shaky  
nyjuggernaut2 : 3/28/2017 11:35 pm : link
Really hoping players like Cameron Carter-Vickers and Miazga can take that next step for us. Because a back line of Omar Gonzalez and Tim Ream just doesn't cut it.
Fabian and Nagbea the wide guys sounds good  
Go Terps : 3/28/2017 11:35 pm : link
.
Acosta  
Jon in NYC : 3/28/2017 11:36 pm : link
coming on. Very hyped about this kid. Lets see if he makes me eat my words.
The announcers don't want to say  
B in ALB : 3/28/2017 11:38 pm : link
that Jones sucks ass.

So I'll say it.

Jones sucks ass.
I'm not a religious man,  
Go Terps : 3/28/2017 11:38 pm : link
but if you are pray to whatever you believe in that we never see Jones play for USMNT again.
I think there's a goal coming for us  
Go Terps : 3/28/2017 11:39 pm : link
.
GO  
Jon in NYC : 3/28/2017 11:42 pm : link
GET THE FUCKING BALL REAM.
Ream.  
Mr. Bungle : 3/28/2017 11:43 pm : link
My God.
That was terrible by Ream  
B in ALB : 3/28/2017 11:46 pm : link
Playing soft. Again.
Here  
Jon in NYC : 3/28/2017 11:46 pm : link
we go. Took 80 minutes to get there but Pulisic is playing as a true no. 10. Lets see what the kid can do.
Why is the 6'2" Bradley  
B in ALB : 3/28/2017 11:56 pm : link
the designated service/corner kick guy? His service is consistently awful. You mean to tell me that Pulicic - who is what, like 5'6" - isn't a better option, allowing Bradley to challenge in the box?
4 points and +6  
Jon in NYC : 3/28/2017 11:57 pm : link
later and we're back in control of our destiny. I'll absolutely take it.
RE: 4 points and +6  
B in ALB : 3/29/2017 12:00 am : link
In comment 13410155 Jon in NYC said:
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later and we're back in control of our destiny. I'll absolutely take it.


Plenty of fleas still. But a complete turnaround after the JK debacle to start the campaign. Tonight was about a result. Get the point and get home.

Beat TnT in June. Maybe get a point in Azteca - probably not - try not to get murdered. Then beat Panama at home.

Just hold serve and you're in.
Take the point  
Go Terps : 3/29/2017 12:01 am : link
Get on the airplane, lose Jones somewhere over Mexico.
RE: These road qualifiers are grinders  
Del Shofner : 3/29/2017 12:01 am : link
In comment 13410058 Go Terps said:
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They call for calm, compact, disciplined play.

This is why it sucks that Klinsmann fucked up any cushion we might have.


A draw on the road is not bad in WCQ, other than w/r/t to the hole that was dug as GT says. I think we'll move on, but it shouldn't be as difficult as it will be.
RE: Take the point  
GF1080 : 3/29/2017 12:04 am : link
In comment 13410158 Go Terps said:
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Get on the airplane, lose Jones somewhere over Mexico.


Yes please on Jones.
I think Jones is done after this  
B in ALB : 3/29/2017 12:06 am : link
Arena isn't afraid to cut bait. Dude is 35. Time to say goodbye. If it weren't for injury he wouldn't have seen the field. They've got two months to heal up, configure a back line and get back to business without having to carry dead weight.
This moron Heath Pearce  
B in ALB : 3/29/2017 12:14 am : link
is screaming that Ream was great tonight.

I just can't. Did we watch the same game?
Jones was horrible and the reason he lacked any sort of shape  
Joey from GlenCove : 3/29/2017 5:53 am : link
I'm not 100 percent sure what his task was but I'm pretty it wasn't do whatever the fuck you want.

I' haven't watched Fulham since Dempsey played but is Ream really going to be playing in the EPL next year? He was not good as well as zusi who is not Demarcus Beasley. Zusi was getting crushed.

Another hot take was pulisic tried to do to much? Too many dribbles. Does that make sense? I need to rewatch I was fading during the second half. Ant get up at 5am and go to bed at 12
Also damn that was such a concacaf game haha  
Joey from GlenCove : 3/29/2017 6:03 am : link
Bad field
Hot
Many fouls

NO YELLOWS how was that possible
RE: .  
Gmen1982 : 3/29/2017 6:19 am : link
In comment 13410116 Go Terps said:
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Ream is disproving the myth that players get better leaving MLS for Europe. He was better with the Red Bulls.


Or it was easier for him because the play was worse.
I don't care that this was at Panama.  
Gmen1982 : 3/29/2017 8:00 am : link
We need to beat these shit teams at their place. Mexico and then maybe Costa Rica are the only away games that a draw is acceptable. It used to be a cake walk to make the World Cup. Now other countries have gotten better and we haven't kept up with our dominance. I don't think we would even qualify in South America or Europe.
shades of previous US teams  
giantfan2000 : 3/29/2017 8:04 am : link
every time they get the ball instead of attach upfield
they pull the ball back farther and farther away
a few times over the middle line !!!!

The ONLY player who would drive the ball forward when he got the ball was Pulicic!!!!

this kid is great - the future of US soccer
too bad too many old players are still on the field
These CONCACAF games are brutal  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/29/2017 8:11 am : link
But I guess if you can come away with a point on an awful field against a hackjob team while using a terrible back four, you take it?

Not that you should ever be playing Jones any more, but you definitely can't play them both in the same midfield. Literally just gaps everywhere.
This is awfully reactionary..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/29/2017 8:34 am : link
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I don't care that this was at Panama.
Gmen1982 : 8:00 am : link : reply
We need to beat these shit teams at their place. Mexico and then maybe Costa Rica are the only away games that a draw is acceptable. It used to be a cake walk to make the World Cup. Now other countries have gotten better and we haven't kept up with our dominance. I don't think we would even qualify in South America or Europe.


It has always been difficult to look at some of these away games as a gimme. They are playing on fields that are sometimes worse than HS fields, in front of crowds that are often allowed to be unruly to the point of being dangerous, and officiated by guys who are intimidated by the crowds and let physical play go unchecked.

A cake walk to make the World Cup is also an exaggeration. This time 4 years ago, Mexico was in worse shape than us and had to play a team from Oceania to make the World Cup. We will probably easily qualify and this discussion will be moot, but to act as if CONCAAF is shit and the US is a power that easily dominates them is simply untrue.
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Del Shofner : 3/29/2017 8:55 am : link
In comment 13410244 Gmen1982 said:
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It used to be a cake walk to make the World Cup..


That is completely incorrect. The US did not make the World Cup until I was 38 years old. We went from 1950 to 1990 without making the Cup.

And when we did start making it, it was no cake walk.

What are some of you smoking?
Is a little optimism allowed?  
armstead98 : 3/29/2017 9:10 am : link
First time I've seen Pulisic in a live game and HOLY SHIT he's even better than I was expecting! Yes his play to get the assist was awesome, fighting off two men much larger than he is and the presence in that moment was great.

The holy shit moment for me was when he got the ball with his back to the defender near midfield, turned and raced up the sideline with seemingly no room. It was the work of a magician. The dude is special.

Nagbas run through their team had me hyped too.

There's plenty of young talent to be excited about.
Pulisic reminds me of a young Landon Donovan so much it's eerie  
Tesla : 3/29/2017 9:51 am : link
They have identical builds and very similar games....though Donovan liked to pass more while Pulisic likes to run at players more. But both had the uncanny ability to remain absolute composure when in front of the goal.

And for those that think Pulisic is better now than Donovan ever was go back and watch some games from the 2002 World Cup, where Donovan was absolutely incredible as a 20 year old. Problem was Donovan never wanted to push himself against the best, and never realized his potential as a result. Let's hope Pulisic has that drive and continues to play thrive against the top competition in Europe. It's going to be fun to watch him develop.
The main difference between..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/29/2017 9:59 am : link
Pulisic and Donovan at their young ages is creativity. Pulisic has the ability to create his own shots and passes a little better than Donovan did. A lot of the good strikers have patience in the box, so that aspect is similar, but Pulisic is excellent at creating space and then taking advantage of that space.

We are probably looking at the best American player ever, and Pulisic will become to my son what Donovan, Howard and Dempsey have been for me, but I believe at an even higher level.
RE: The main difference between..  
Kevin in Annapolis : 3/29/2017 10:13 am : link
In comment 13410374 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Pulisic and Donovan at their young ages is creativity. Pulisic has the ability to create his own shots and passes a little better than Donovan did. A lot of the good strikers have patience in the box, so that aspect is similar, but Pulisic is excellent at creating space and then taking advantage of that space.

We are probably looking at the best American player ever, and Pulisic will become to my son what Donovan, Howard and Dempsey have been for me, but I believe at an even higher level.


I would agree with this. I would also add that both were/are very direct pacey players but Pulisic to me is a better dribbler.
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Gmen1982 : 3/29/2017 10:31 am : link
In comment 13410289 Del Shofner said:
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In comment 13410244 Gmen1982 said:


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It used to be a cake walk to make the World Cup..



That is completely incorrect. The US did not make the World Cup until I was 38 years old. We went from 1950 to 1990 without making the Cup.

And when we did start making it, it was no cake walk.

What are some of you smoking?


Sorry I don't count pre-1990. I guess as someone involved with soccer for 30+ years and always being told that we would be a dominant team soon is making me a little impartial. I still remember in high school (1997ish?) hearing how we were developing academies that would take us to the next level. I don't have an answer but I feel like we should be better.
Pulisic's play vs Benefica in the Champions League has  
cosmicj : 3/29/2017 10:41 am : link
been really impressive. Thomas Tuchel, the Dortmund HC, inexplicably didn't start him in the first leg in Lisbon but Pulisic came in around 75' and immediately had a big impact on the game. He didn't score a goal but I was convinced that he was getting there and needed a few more minutes.

In the 2nd leg, Pulisic drove a dominant Dortmund performance and often looked like the best player on the field even with their striker Aubemayang netting a hat trick.

The next tie up vs Monaco will be very interesting, as he will be going up against Kylian Mbappe, another 19 year old who shone in the CL win over Man City. April 11 - put it in your schedule. Depending on the exact line-up, the two may match up directly against each other.
I'm really  
Tim in Capital City : 3/29/2017 10:42 am : link
Surprised that Jones and Bradley didn't pair better together. Maybe they just need some time together to work out think kinks. I definitely don't think we have a large enough sample size to think that pairing is a complete and utter failure.
Mexico played Panama  
jv : 3/29/2017 10:46 am : link
back in November for World Cup Qualifying and the game ended 0-0. Anyone disappointed by last nights result is underestimating the difficulty of a CONCACAF road game. The travel is brutal, the field is crap, the climate is difficult. All these factors made even more difficult given our roster largely consists of:

1. European based players who had to travel an incredible distance and are playing in a climate they are not remotely acclimated to

2. MLS players that are just entering season and not in top form nor acclimated to the climate

In CONCACAF you qualify for the World Cup by winning home games and trying to take points on the road. Arena has us back on that path.
GMen1982  
Go Terps : 3/29/2017 10:55 am : link
Define "better", because the only countries that are a clear step better than us are the very elite group of 6 or 7 nations at the top. More or less:

Germany
Brazil
Spain
Argentina
France
Italy
Chile (maybe)

After that, we're right there with everyone else. Breaking into that top group is very difficult, and is something that may not happen in our lifetimes.
RE: I'm really  
Go Terps : 3/29/2017 10:55 am : link
In comment 13410423 Tim in Capital City said:
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Surprised that Jones and Bradley didn't pair better together. Maybe they just need some time together to work out think kinks. I definitely don't think we have a large enough sample size to think that pairing is a complete and utter failure.


Ha no kidding.
RE: RE: The main difference between..  
giants#1 : 3/29/2017 11:23 am : link
In comment 13410382 Kevin in Annapolis said:
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In comment 13410374 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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Pulisic and Donovan at their young ages is creativity. Pulisic has the ability to create his own shots and passes a little better than Donovan did. A lot of the good strikers have patience in the box, so that aspect is similar, but Pulisic is excellent at creating space and then taking advantage of that space.

We are probably looking at the best American player ever, and Pulisic will become to my son what Donovan, Howard and Dempsey have been for me, but I believe at an even higher level.



I would agree with this. I would also add that both were/are very direct pacey players but Pulisic to me is a better dribbler.


Pulisic is better on the ball and attacking defenders than Donovan was. Both have/had great vision, speed, and composure and new how to make runs (unlike, say, Jermaine Jones!).

I was most impressed by Pulisic's defensive work last night. Did a good job tracking back and at least putting in the effort.
RE: GMen1982  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/29/2017 11:59 am : link
In comment 13410447 Go Terps said:
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Define "better", because the only countries that are a clear step better than us are the very elite group of 6 or 7 nations at the top. More or less:

Germany
Brazil
Spain
Argentina
France
Italy
Chile (maybe)

After that, we're right there with everyone else. Breaking into that top group is very difficult, and is something that may not happen in our lifetimes.


I think your overall point is correct, but if we had played Chile in the Copa, they would have smoked us. A Belgium that has its act together maybe makes that list (yet to be seen). But overall no other teams are that far away.
I would add Belgium and Netherlands.  
Gmen1982 : 3/29/2017 12:05 pm : link
I could argue that there are many more teams better than us. I do think we have a decent chance against anyone else on a given day but there are many teams better.
RE: I would add Belgium and Netherlands.  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/29/2017 12:09 pm : link
In comment 13410530 Gmen1982 said:
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I could argue that there are many more teams better than us. I do think we have a decent chance against anyone else on a given day but there are many teams better.


The Netherlands national team is a shambles right now and has been for the last year. Plenty of teams that might be better than the US but in a one-off game only few are head and shoulders better where we wouldn't have a chance.
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Go Terps : 3/29/2017 12:22 pm : link
The Dutch are on the verge of not qualifying for a second straight major tournament. They couldn't qualify for a Euro 2016 that featured the likes of Iceland, Northern Ireland, Albania, Hungary, Scotland, Norway, and Wales.

As for Belgium, for years that team has been less than the sum of its parts. Had we not been managed by a coward in 2014 we had the people to beat them.
That's what I love about soccer  
Gmen1982 : 3/29/2017 12:22 pm : link
You can beat a better team with fitness, aggression, and organization.
RE: The main difference between..  
RobCarpenter : 3/29/2017 12:23 pm : link
In comment 13410374 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Pulisic and Donovan at their young ages is creativity. Pulisic has the ability to create his own shots and passes a little better than Donovan did. A lot of the good strikers have patience in the box, so that aspect is similar, but Pulisic is excellent at creating space and then taking advantage of that space.

We are probably looking at the best American player ever, and Pulisic will become to my son what Donovan, Howard and Dempsey have been for me, but I believe at an even higher level.


No way Donovan had that level of dribbling skill needed to create the goal, especially that last move when Pulisic rolls the ball with his right foot. In fact, I'm hard pressed to think of another American player with the same level of dribbling skill that Pulisic showed on the assist.
Tab Ramos was a better dribbler than Pulisic  
Go Terps : 3/29/2017 12:25 pm : link
That's no knock on Pulisic; Ramos was a wizard.
Terps  
Gmen1982 : 3/29/2017 12:27 pm : link
I got to see that first hand about three years ago in a scrimmage I played in with him. He made a 19-20 year old in season form fall down. The guy's quickness was unreal.
Tesla makes a good point  
Nitro : 3/29/2017 12:37 pm : link
Donovan in 02 did look like the sky was the limit, but he never got to that next tier (same on a smaller scale with Beasley). Pulisic is almost assuredly going to be the best outfield player we've ever had baring injury. His work rate is incredible, and demonstrated in the goal last night which was 70% determination, 30% bad ball control by the Panamanian, as well as by his tracking back on defense.

I've taken to watching more Dortmund this year (admittedly, mostly for Pulisic though they're a fun team to watch with Aubameyang, Weigl, Dembele and co) and he's been keeping a huge money signing and German International Schurrle on the bench more or less. It's incredible.
RE: Tesla makes a good point  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/29/2017 12:42 pm : link
In comment 13410590 Nitro said:
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I've taken to watching more Dortmund this year (admittedly, mostly for Pulisic though they're a fun team to watch with Aubameyang, Weigl, Dembele and co) and he's been keeping a huge money signing and German International Schurrle on the bench more or less. It's incredible.


Sokratis!
Article sums  
slickwilly : 3/29/2017 12:44 pm : link
up the issue of Jones and Bradley together pretty well.
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RE: Tesla makes a good point  
Tesla : 3/29/2017 12:46 pm : link
In comment 13410590 Nitro said:
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Donovan in 02 did look like the sky was the limit, but he never got to that next tier (same on a smaller scale with Beasley).


I think people are really forgetting how good Donovan was at his peak. Go watch some of his highlight videos....some of his passing was unbelievably good and his finishing was tremendous. I think one of the reasons he's not more appreciated by fans was that he would have games and long stretches where he was incredibly passive and simply disappeared. For example, from memory his entire 06 World Cup was just awful.
he also had a moody petulance that took better part of a decade to  
Nitro : 3/29/2017 12:51 pm : link
shake. I remember distinctly him having issues with his now ex-wife Bianca and also of course his sabbatical from the sport.

I think this world cup should be the swan song for Howard, Dempsey and hopefully Bradley - everyone else old should be phased out beforehand.
RE: Tab Ramos was a better dribbler than Pulisic  
RobCarpenter : 3/29/2017 1:07 pm : link
In comment 13410566 Go Terps said:
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That's no knock on Pulisic; Ramos was a wizard.


Fair point.
chiming in late  
PaulBlakeTSU : 3/29/2017 4:27 pm : link
but wow was Pulisic impressive. I know I'm speaking in generalities, but it seemed like for years the US would score either from set pieces using our size, or just from being better conditioned and better athletes and willing it in the net at the right moment. But with Pulisic, we have something different. He looks like the kind of bona fide playmaker with soccer in his DNA.

Also, I was really impressed by that one run by Nagbe. I haven't seen him play much, but holy crap is he fast with the ball.
Future is Youth  
Jeffrey : 3/29/2017 6:09 pm : link
Arena needs to avoid becoming wedded to the past. Ream, Zusi, Jones and Bradley showed little last night to justify their continued position in the starting 11. Bradley has been a fixture for so long that people cannot imagine that we have alternatives. We won't either as long as he is guaranteed a position. Why does he take all the corners and most of the set pieces from distance?

Zusi gets a pass as playing out of position, though necessary given the injuries. Jones is too old and there is no way he can contribute more than a short time each game. Ream should play outside, even though that has not worked well always. Again the injuries necessitated the defensive moves. In truth the US should have lost 3-1 last night, but was saved by Howard and some poor shots from the Panama side. Take the point and get the hell out of town. Burn the film though. Go young Bruce!
I re-watched the Greece-Belgium game  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 3/29/2017 8:10 pm : link
Boy I'm still pissed... from Saturday!

Somebody tell me how this wasn't a red card when others were given yellows for less.
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Arena  
Jon in NYC : 3/29/2017 8:14 pm : link
and honestly the team as a whole gets a bit of a pass because there were a ton of injuries.

Yedlin, Brooks, Wood, Johnson are four regular starters that missed yesterday's game. Then throw in Zardes, Lleget, Morris, and you can see how undermanned we were.
Forgot about Cameron  
Jon in NYC : 3/29/2017 8:14 pm : link
as well.
Miazga  
GF1080 : 3/29/2017 8:19 pm : link
Will he get any burn ever? Sold to Chelsea loaned out to Dutch team and barely plays. Not good.
To say..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 3/29/2017 8:39 pm : link
Arena should either go mostly with youth or mostly with veterans is madness. He should play those who are in form and who give the team the best chance to win. Right now, there are several veterans and several youth who fit the bill.

The one thing I'm fairly confident in is that he'll be much more flexible in roster composition than JK was.
When  
PaulBlakeTSU : 3/29/2017 9:22 pm : link
Arena took over, the US had its back against the wall with a terrible goal differential. Youth may be the future, but the present requires qualifying for the World Cup and so I think he should play whomever gives us the best chance to win these matches, regardless of age. Focus on developing the youth in the Gold Cup.
RE: Miazga  
Tim in Capital City : 3/29/2017 9:39 pm : link
In comment 13411321 GF1080 said:
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Will he get any burn ever? Sold to Chelsea loaned out to Dutch team and barely plays. Not good.


While I agree that the Chelsea move was horrible and said it from day one. They don't play youth! It's not true that he is barely playing at Vitesse. He's starting virtually every game (including a 1-0 loss to Ajax 3/19) these days and playing well from what I have read.
well said, FatMan and Paul Blake ...  
Del Shofner : 3/29/2017 9:41 pm : link
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RE: RE: Miazga  
GF1080 : 3/29/2017 9:53 pm : link
In comment 13411371 Tim in Capital City said:
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In comment 13411321 GF1080 said:


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Will he get any burn ever? Sold to Chelsea loaned out to Dutch team and barely plays. Not good.



While I agree that the Chelsea move was horrible and said it from day one. They don't play youth! It's not true that he is barely playing at Vitesse. He's starting virtually every game (including a 1-0 loss to Ajax 3/19) these days and playing well from what I have read.


That's good news then! I looked awhile ago and was under the impression he was just a late sub sometimes. Thank you for correcting me!!!!
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