Who would you say is the best CB in Giants history?

Sehorn is my personal pick.

He's only been here one year, but Janoris Jenkins can give him a run for his money if his excellent play stands the test of time.

For a short period of time, Sehorn was the best i've seen in my lifetime (I'm 39).

Sehorn, but his peak was so short.

Most old timers say it's Emlen Tunnell (I think), but he was before my time.

IMHO

Corey Webster probably has the most solid body of work.

Although not here, and not the answer to this question, Sam Madison is one of the best who has worn the uniform.

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would be up there.

In comment 13409579 Russ in Queens, NYC said:

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IMHO

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The season Janoris Jenkins just had is actually one of the best I've seen.

I was too young to evaluate Collins or Haynes the way I would now.

Sehorn was outstanding at his peak.

Giants DB in the HOF. If the Q. was who was the best Giants DB, I'd say it was Tunnell.

My dad said Emlin Tunnell was incredible. He said Dick Lynch was pretty good too.

But Jenkins and Aple are pretty good too. ANd they both tackle,

That I've seen (I'm 50), Mark Collins, Mark Haynes a close 2nd. Sehorn had one exceptional season, but still not as good as the other two guys.

In comment 13409592 arcarsenal said:

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The season Janoris Jenkins just had is actually one of the best I've seen. I was too young to evaluate Collins or Haynes the way I would now. Sehorn was outstanding at his peak.

I was just going to say this, Jenkins had the best single season of a corner I've seen in my 3+ decades of watching Giants football.

Grin.

If DRC has another season like last year, I'd consider putting him above Collins. He is a great player.

But the best individual season I've seen was Jenkins last year.

In comment 13409595 Marty in Albany said:

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Giants DB in the HOF. If the Q. was who was the best Giants DB, I'd say it was Tunnell.

there are two other db's in the hall of fame = tom landry and frank gifford who was all pro as a db before moving to rb and eventually wr

Erich Barnes was the best when I was growing up. Don't remember why they treaded him.

that I have watched. His Giant career was too short.

Usually gets some play if you go back aways . But I remember him mostly when he was with the Browns. Tunnell is an HOFer. From that perspective, he's the best. Career value: Mark Collins . Peak value: Jason Seahorn
Honorable mention : Mark Haynes, Perry Williams, Will Peterson , Corey Webster.

First 3 corners on the current team will undoubtedly budge that list before they are done.

Here are a couple I would say since I am 45 and missed some of the real greats
Mark Haynes
Mark Collins
Perry Williams
Jason Sehorn
Corey Webster
Phillippi Sparks

http://gmenhq.com/2015/08/12/top-cornerbacks-giants-history/
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for a career: webster

Was also a six time Pro Bowler, 4 times with the Giants.

Mark Haynes and Mark Collins by a wide margin. And between the two of them it's a matter of taste.

Willie Williams was also good.

when I started following the Giants

but I will say that his turnaround during the 07 season is one of the most amazing I've ever seen a player make. From getting benched during the regular season to shadowing and shutting down opposing #1s throughout a SB run, the whole thing was pretty incredible. He'll always have a notable spot in Giants history because of it.

Larry's article may help...
New York Giants All-Time Team - ( New Window )

The Giants probably win the division if they hold on and were winning. Haynes got hurt, Lomax and Roy Green went to work and they lost. He never played for the Giants again, held out 1985, traded for picks prior to the 1986 draft

but when he came of age in Buffalo, he was a high end corner from postseason 07 through the end of 2012 when most of the 2 super bowl Coughlin-era Giants started to fade.

That's 4+ solid seasons of CB play.

but he did not put the years in ....

Sparks was a beast....in hsi own right

Otherwise I'd say him. 79 INTs in his career.

In comment 13409647 MotownGIANTS said:

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but he did not put the years in .... Sparks was a beast....in hsi own right

I agree. I felt very confident with those 2 out there. The Redskins had 2 great corners at the same time, IIRC.

In comment 13409649 jeff57 said:

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Otherwise I'd say him. 79 INTs in his career.

He played both at a high level

In comment 13409627 Milton said:

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Mark Haynes and Mark Collins by a wide margin. And between the two of them it's a matter of taste.

This.

In comment 13409606 wonderback said:

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Grin.

Toast lol

in his prime to the Browns for a third round draft pick. SMH.

Was a little too young for Collins. Sehorn and Webster both had their moments, but didnt do it for long enough. I am hoping Jenkins can pass them all.

season was one in which he was a physical freak and was putting it all together. He went from a curiousity as a white CB, to realizing that he was talented but raw, and by 1997 had turned into a combination shut down/big play corner, with the ability to have Pick 6's happen. That torn ACL and his subsequent desire to bulk up like a linebacker in his comeback ruined what would have been an amazing career.

For me, the best corner that I saw for the Giants was Collins. He hit like a truck as a cornerback, was as physical as they come and he wasn't afraid to mix it up with Jerry Rice. His draw back was he was not good at picking off the ball. He'd drop what seemed like 5-6 INTs a year. If he had the INT numbers, he'd have been a year in, year old Pro Bowler.

In comment 13409667 jeff57 said:

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in his prime to the Browns for a third round draft pick. SMH.

I was pissed when that happened

In comment 13409670 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 13409667 jeff57 said: Quote: in his prime to the Browns for a third round draft pick. SMH. I was pissed when that happened

I read that the scuttlebutt was that Barnes had problems with the Maras. So I magine it was over salary.

Must have been a Wellington special. He had quite a few of those.

Then my list would be
Jenkins
Haynes
Sehorn

I thought he was very good, Him, Barnes, and Patton made quite a secondary.

Lynch
Collins
Barnes
Sparks
Haynes
Webster
DRC

I think Jennings has a shot to be one of the best or the best, I also think Apple could become a great player. Sehorn was tremendous for 1 season, that is not enough, he was very good 1 other season. Two seasons does not make a player even good. he is not even in the other players league. You can't say he was the best for a short time when he was only a thought for 2 seasons. He never had more then 6 int's, how is he so great, because of 1 outstanding play, that is it, that is why he gets this praise, maybe you should think about his pants falling down in the Super Bowl when he gave up a TD. That could jog a memory or two.

Not Jennings, I got running back in my head, I am hoping we get one of the top three and do think it would be well worth our first rounder this season.

In comment 13409667 jeff57 said:

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in his prime to the Browns for a third round draft pick. SMH.

Allie Sherman traded Sam Huff to the 'Skins too, oh my!
I was too young to remember Barnes or Tunnel that well.

lost in the shuffle because of the Sehorn hype

a truly great player, in his day.

Landon Collins and Jackrabbit could very well be up there with Mark Collins.

Then Spider Lockhart, Erich Barnes, Jackrabbit, Sehorn, DRC, Haynes, Perry Williams, Lynch

I've seen all of them (except for Tunnell). He must have been something special, though.

In comment 13409713 RobCarpenter said:

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Landon Collins and Jackrabbit could very well be up there with Mark Collins.

Collins is not a cornerback

In comment 13409731 EricJ said:

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In comment 13409713 RobCarpenter said: Quote: Landon Collins and Jackrabbit could very well be up there with Mark Collins. Collins is not a cornerback

Sorry, got confused between DB and CB.

were by far the best cover corners. Haynes turned into a locker room lawyer which ended his career as a Giant. I watched Collins shut down guys like Jerry Rice in the playoffs and he did it on a consistent basis.

Sehorn the best athlete of them all yet still was a bit of a tweener based upon his size. It took Jason a few seasons before it started to click. He was the best with the ball in his hands of all of them.

Jackrabbit has had one good season here so far. Lets hope it continues but too soon to put him near the top.

Perry Williams played a lot of years for us as a steady CB. Not a pro bowler but extremely reliable. That guy does not get much love here.

Tunnel and some of the other old timers... it is just too long ago with very small players in the league. Just no way to compare them to the game post 1970.

but this unit of Jackrabbit, Apple and DRC should go down as the best group of Giants corners ever.

William Peterson and Conrad Hamilton.

sehorn and his sideburns and hawt, hawt wife


but...jackrabbit has high high high potential !

Are on the roster right now

was a great player. I'll go with him although it's always hard to compare players from different eras. After Barnes, I'd list Mark Collins, Dick Lynch, Mark Haynes, Jason Sehorn. Janoris Jenkins, DRC could wind up at the head of the class before they're done. One of my favorite players during the dark age of Jints football was Pete Athas who played with panache and would hit but was usually overmatched.

In comment 13409637 Eric from BBI said:

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Larry's article may help... New York Giants All-Time Team - ( New Window )

wow!! I've never seen this article, I'll read this whole thing later, thank you!

In comment 13409618 larryflower37 said:

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Here are a couple I would say since I am 45 and missed some of the real greats Mark Haynes Mark Collins Perry Williams Jason Sehorn Corey Webster Phillippi Sparks

Yep, they were all great and fun to watch. I was always bummed that Sparks left the way he did, that 97 defense was so fun to watch. And Jenkins had himself a season that rivals the best I've seen so far.

who was our best ever safety?

and how long since we had the 'individual INTs league leader'?


and, given how we play, (man cover and attacking line next year?) could that be a safety here?

Great cover guy but was also a tremendous tackler. He was very physical playing up on the receiver and was a tenacious tackler against the run. The only corner I've seen who handled Jerry Rice. Also is a great guy.

Tunnell.

Best CB? Haynes or Collins.

But when sehorn was at his best he was the best I ever saw play for nyg. Sadly his peak only lasted two (96-97) seasons. Collins wasnt the ball hawk that Webster was, although calling Webster a ball hawk is a stretch at least he could catch a gift int once in a while. Collins was more physical run defender and shut down Jerry rice. Edge - Collins. Both were instrumental in the two title teams.

In comment 13409607 Rong5611 said:

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If DRC has another season like last year, I'd consider putting him above Collins. He is a great player.

Good point on DRC. He's been somewhat lost in the shuffle due to the two bad teams he played on here and then overshadowed by Jenkins last year. DRC can ball. I might have to agree. Not the most physical corner but excellent player.

But I think DRC is the most talented CB the Giants have ever suited up. I think QBs are loathe to throw in his direction. I hope he does not slow down at all this coming season. Love his game.

For about two years no one was better than Sehorn

But for a brief moment, Jason Sehorn dominated opposing WRs. He was really REALLY good until some jackass decided it would be fun to have him return kickoffs in a preseason game.

Think he was the toughest, prided himself at being able to play the run. Wore the 4 box cage, played against the Jerry Rice 49ners. He was my favorite corner can't remember if he made the pro bowl.

In comment 13409742 Go Terps said:

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William Peterson and Conrad Hamilton.

I was a really big William Peterson fan. I always felt like he was the better of the two Will's but just couldn't really stay 100% long enough to prove it.

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But I think DRC is the most talented CB the Giants have ever suited up. I think QBs are loathe to throw in his direction. I hope he does not slow down at all this coming season. Love his game.

Yeah DRC is the rare player in that I remember hoping that the Dallas qb would throw his way just once in the 2015 game at the swamp. Giants were either losing or tied and if Dallas just runs the ball every play they just might win as our offense couldn't do shit. I watched DRC all game long praying for a pass his way. Sure enough the qb finally went for it and DRC pick sixed his ass.

In comment 13409637 Eric from BBI said:

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Larry's article may help... New York Giants All-Time Team - ( New Window )

Thanks for the reprint Eric.
I would take Dave Jennings(P) over Sean Landetta any day of the week.

finished his career with us. Did a nice job but was not one of our best CBs that we ever had.

I was always amused when Ray Perkins would say, in his post-game remarks after a Giants game, "Mark Haynes threw another shutout."

Sehorn in his prime did something to Michael Irvin that I never saw another corner do. It was late in the 4th quarter, Giants on their way to a victory (in Dallas) and Irvin is sitting on the bench, tears streaming down his cheeks from total frustration. Every out route that he ran ended up with Sehorn knocking the ball away. It was amazing.

for an entire season plus the playoffs it would be Mark Collins

For one game it would be Jason Sehorn

DRC is probably better than either over a career

High, as does Jenkins' 16 campaign.

Collins, Webster and Sehorn up there..

This topic caused me to do a little searching on Emlen found this bit of Giants history very interesting:

Tunnell was undrafted after college, and he began his pro career by hitchhiking across the country from Iowa to New York City to meet Jack Mara, son of Giants founder Tim Mara, and ask to try out for the team.[4] In his Hall of Fame induction speech, Tunnell thanked the West Indian banana-truck driver who dropped him off near this Polo Grounds "appointment".[5]

Tunnell played 14 years in the National Football League. He played his first 11 years with the New York Giants and the last three years with the Green Bay Packers. Tunnell was a nine-time Pro Bowl selection. He moved from the Giants to the Packers when Giants offensive coordinator Vince Lombardi took over the head coaching duties at Green Bay.[6] He led the NFL in punt return yards twice, in 1951 and 1952 and played a then-NFL record of 143 consecutive games.[6] He became a defensive leader with the Packers, helping out rookies and was valued for his defensive experience.[6]

He ended his career with a record 79 interceptions (since surpassed by Paul Krause, another University of Iowa Hawkeye), which he returned for 1,282 yards and 4 touchdowns, and 16 fumble recoveries, along with another 3,506 return yards and 6 touchdowns on special teams.[3] He was elected as the first African-American in the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1967.[3] Tunnell became a scout and assistant coach with the Giants, where he died from a heart attack during a practice session in 1975.

HOF player and still second all time with 79 Interceptions

One player who was talented but not always immediately associated with the Giants is Everson Walls.

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individual seasons, then yeah Sehorn has an argument, but just was too short a time...stupid injury didnt help. And yeah Jenkins last year too - but need more seasons to rank among best all time. Webster has an argument, probably 4-5 years he was a very good to top CB. Mark Collins & Haynes are a bit before my team, but obviously mentioned for good reason. I did like Sparks, but I don't know if I'd rank him at the top few CBs. DRC has the talent to run with anyone, and several good years in blue now, though maybe in a slightly different role. He still has that closing burst to make up for bad reads etc.

In comment 13409669 Matt in SGS said:

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For me, the best corner that I saw for the Giants was Collins. He hit like a truck as a cornerback, was as physical as they come and he wasn't afraid to mix it up with Jerry Rice. His draw back was he was not good at picking off the ball. He'd drop what seemed like 5-6 INTs a year. If he had the INT numbers, he'd have been a year in, year old Pro Bowler.

Sounds a lot like another Giant CB, Will 'Stone Hands' Allen.

Period

Jason Sehorn

My top 2.

but Haynes didn't last too long on the Giants...I suspect that he might have been doing some recreational stuff that only LT was allowed to do. But he was a true shutdown CB. Barnes was as tough as they come, and a great cover corner as well.

I think that Jenkins has a chance to be their equal.

when Jerry Rice says that he is the toughest CB he goes against.. thats enough for me..

In comment 13409987 blueblood said:

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when Jerry Rice says that he is the toughest CB he goes against.. thats enough for me..

Surprised Rice didn't say Deion Sanders who was unreal at one time himself. Couldn't tackle a mouse though...

...will be the best CB in team history.

It could have been Sehorn but the injury robbed us of that.

I'd go
Spider
Haynes
Jenkins then

Mark Collins
Philippi Sparks
Jason Sehorn
Corey Webster
DRC
Janoris

In comment 13410089 Torrag said:

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...will be the best CB in team history. It could have been Sehorn but the injury robbed us of that.

DRC has really impressed me.

Me too but the propensity for nagging injuires and missing playing time are holding him back in a subtle way for me.

Overall: Haynes

Peak: Sehorn and Jackrabbit

In comment 13410097 PatersonPlank said:

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I'd go Spider Haynes Jenkins then

Spider was a S.

with his bad hands and ball skills. His tackling alone would get me out of my seat tho.

Jenkins will rise up the list if he continues to perform as he did last season, he's got the gifts.

He really could play. For peak I would take Sehorn but for career it's got to be Collins.

In comment 13409985 yatqb said:

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but Haynes didn't last too long on the Giants...I suspect that he might have been doing some recreational stuff that only LT was allowed to do. But he was a true shutdown CB. Barnes was as tough as they come, and a great cover corner as well. I think that Jenkins has a chance to be their equal.

you are SOOOOOO off base on Haynes. 1) Perkins started him as a rookie, but stupidly moved him to RCB when Haynes played LCB his whole life and he struggled. 2) Bill Parcells came in 1981 and moved him back to LCB and he thrived and by 1984 was one of the best in the league. 3) he broke his leg in Dec 1984 at St Louis and missed the playoffs. 4) He held out on the advice of Howard "agent Orange" Slusher for the first 11 weeks of the 1985 season. 6) he was traded to Denver for 2 #2 picks and played there for 4 years but was never the same after the injury and holdout.

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Overall: Haynes Peak: Sehorn and Jackrabbit

Thats a valid point.

And I'd agree with you on the "peak" aspect. Honestly, the work that Jenkins put in last year was pretty unreal. And although he was elected to the Pro Bowl, it seems as though it went largely unnoticed among "NFL" fans and the press.

In comment 13409833 EricJ said:

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finished his career with us. Did a nice job but was not one of our best CBs that we ever had.

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He played safety here with the late Dave Duerson. He was on the 1990 team that beat the Bills in SB XXV! Wide right!

1) Mark Haynes
2) Jason Seahorn

and Barnes, you have to bring up the name of Dick Lynch.......basically, man to man coverage, back in those days....

In comment 13410629 Doomster said:

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and Barnes, you have to bring up the name of Dick Lynch.......basically, man to man coverage, back in those days....

excpet for the Giants, who played Tom Landry's "umbrella". very innovative at the time.

Agree with several posters. The Marks (Haynes and Collins) neck and neck. Sentimental vote-Willie Williams.

but whole career its mark collins and not even close,corey webster in 2007 was probably the most under rated and under appreciated corner in the league but as with sehorn his decline was fast and spectacular the group they have now may be the strongest group they ever had at the position

however they do need another CB to prevent the likes of trevin wade seeing the field and some insurance against the decline or departure of drc who missed key time last season

In comment 13410325 Victor in CT said:

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In comment 13409985 yatqb said: Quote: but Haynes didn't last too long on the Giants...I suspect that he might have been doing some recreational stuff that only LT was allowed to do. But he was a true shutdown CB. Barnes was as tough as they come, and a great cover corner as well. I think that Jenkins has a chance to be their equal. you are SOOOOOO off base on Haynes. 1) Perkins started him as a rookie, but stupidly moved him to RCB when Haynes played LCB his whole life and he struggled. 2) Bill Parcells came in 1981 and moved him back to LCB and he thrived and by 1984 was one of the best in the league. 3) he broke his leg in Dec 1984 at St Louis and missed the playoffs. 4) He held out on the advice of Howard "agent Orange" Slusher for the first 11 weeks of the 1985 season. 6) he was traded to Denver for 2 #2 picks and played there for 4 years but was never the same after the injury and holdout.

Thanks, Victor. I'd forgotten his holdout. My memory is that in his first year he was asked to play off coverage and wasn't very good at that. In his second year he was allowed to play press coverage and was awesome from them on.

is the best corner since the mid-1960's. he was all-pro for 3 years running 82-84 with 2 of those being first team!! no one else was first team.