Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo)
3/28/17, 6:59 PM
The possibility of the Giants taking a QB high next month is stronger than many believe. Telling quotes from the owners...
I understand Rodgers.....but There are way too many teams with QB needs to allow such a prospect to make it to our pick.
If by chance that happens....Great.
But besides Pittsburgh and SD who is in the same position we are in.....There Is the Jets, Cleveland, Jacksonville, TX, Denver, Arizona, Chicago, and others.....That can not afford to pass on a possible franchise QB.
Totally agree. I think he's a third round talent. But he probably has a higher upside than any other QB. As I have said, Trubisky is the only QB I would consider at #23, and I'm not even sure about him. I'd prefer the Giants not take a QB this year.
that can help the team win this year to worry about a QB for 3 years down the line and the window closed.
RB TE CB LB OL DL can all contribute to a championship this year.
Going off what I've read, some think he might be a late first rounder. I don't think he'll last until 55.
He won't last until #55. But he definitely should. In fact, he should last until our third round pick. Same story every year. The desperate desire for QBs causes teams to overdraft them like no other position. Remember Christian Ponder and E.J. Manuel?
And defensive linemen. Two positions this franchise as it's currently run values quite highly. I simply cannot envision them being in love with any of these quarterbacks to the point where it overrides their value system.
They're gonna pass on a first-round pass rusher for Mitch Trubisky or Davis Webb? I'd be stunned beyond measure.
are purposely ignoring the GM, leaks, ownership, and the HC setting the table because of their own sentimental attachments.
It's just also likely the players they'd want or would seriously consider won't be there for them though.
And the only ones who think it's a real possibility are those who believe the FO is thinking of drafting a QB high while broadcasting their intent in every available channel.
If Eli is really washed up and performs worst this coming year then last year and if Geno is not the answer and we don't draft a QB who could within two years lead the Giants, then we're screwed....Like they say the worst time to draft a QB is when you need a QB.....I AM all for drafting a QB in the 23rd pick...especially either in this order, Mahomes, Webb, and then Kizer...Watson scares me, I don't know why, I guess because he has the weakest arm of all the top QBs in this year's draft.
RE: RE: The only people who don't think it's a possibility are the ones who
are purposely ignoring the GM, leaks, ownership, and the HC setting the table because of their own sentimental attachments.
It's just also likely the players they'd want or would seriously consider won't be there for them though.
And the only ones who think it's a real possibility are those who believe the FO is thinking of drafting a QB high while broadcasting their intent in every available channel.
While I doubt they truly think this crop of QB's will present the franchise an opportunity at continuity after Eli Manning, let's not pretend leaks regarding draft targets aren't and haven't been prevalent. Look no further than last spring with Floyd and Conklin.
The Giants are god awful at running smokescreens. That's not
what is going on. What they're doing is the same thing the Steelers, Chargers, and Cardinals are: stating the obvious.
If a QB they have tiered high enough is there for them, it's definitely on the table now. They're not going to force it, but if it happens, it does. It's not like it was even a couple years ago where it obviously wasn't.
RE: The Giants are god awful at running smokescreens. That's not
what is going on. What they're doing is the same thing the Steelers, Chargers, and Cardinals are: stating the obvious.
If a QB they have tiered high enough is there for them, it's definitely on the table now. They're not going to force it, but if it happens, it does. It's not like it was even a couple years ago where it obviously wasn't.
This sums it up nicely. If a guy they have highly rated is there, they may pull the trigger if he represents BPA.
A total reach. I like Mahomes better than most on here it seems. I think if he sat behind Manning for a couple of years, he'd be ready to take over. Good arm with good mobility. A bit of a gambler, but that can be toned down.
I have a problem with picking a QB early this year, though. It's a lousy group to pick from. Watson is the only one I like at all, because he's tough and a winner, but I wouldn't pick him any higher than the 3rd.
you can not waste a draft pick on a QB. Too Many holes.
1st round has to contribute this year.
2nd has to be a guy who is ready next year.
3rd round has to be a guy who can be a part of this team next year.
4-7 is a crap shoot. depth and projects.
And defensive linemen. Two positions this franchise as it's currently run values quite highly. I simply cannot envision them being in love with any of these quarterbacks to the point where it overrides their value system.
They're gonna pass on a first-round pass rusher for Mitch Trubisky or Davis Webb? I'd be stunned beyond measure.
I think the depth at DL and DB are actually part of the reason why a QB is a possibility (but only if the front office has a worthy grade on the particular QB). If they think they can get the equivalent of a 1st round DL in the 2nd and/or a 2nd round DB in the 3rd (or vice versa), that could free them up to look long and hard at a QB early in the draft.
That's not to say they will or won't take one, just that the depth at their historically preferred positions could cause some deviation from the norm early on. I think that's also why we're seeing speculation about LB and TE in the 1st as well.
I don't see a first round lock franchise QB in this years bunch. That is not to say drafting a QB would be stupid. I like Webb and Peterman. The first round would be nuts for either of those players. In addition, it would fuck up the whole team, causing dissension and the kind of lunacy that would ruin the present, and any young qb's ability to develop. This is the year we need a good smokescreen. I don't want some asshole trading up to get Lamp or some other lineman we have targeted. So I hope that is what this is.
I would have zero issue with the Giants taking a QB
in round one. Everyone has convinced themselves that Eli has 2-3 years left.. He might not... I think its not such a bad idea to draft a QB and have him sit for a year or two..
Im not advocating it.. but I could completely understand the move.
It also makes sense to send out as MUCH information that the Giants are interested in taking a QB.. possibly can get one of the teams lower down.. Arizona.. KC... to move up and get one..
is the only QB I'm sure will be gone by #23. But Mahomes and Watson could easily be gone as well. KC, NO, and SD could all take a QB. Their current QBs are all aging. The Saints brought Mahomes in for a private visit. The Texans could also trade up in front of us.
KIzer and Webb will be available at #23. I wouldn't take either, but both could be gone by the end of the first round. Peterman goes in the second.
This is a bad year for QBs, but six will likely be gone by #55. At that point, you're left with Kaaya, Evans, Torgersen, etc. on day three.
When Tiki Barber and Mike Strahan were incensed that the Giants took a rookie QB instead of extending Kerry Collins when TC took over? Remember the anger at the time to teach a young QB, we have a team ready to contend..etc etc etc? What was it, 4 years later and Mr. Strahan had a ring when he thought he was too old to let a rookie come in? Let that sink in for a minute before you all start lighting the torches and sharpening the pitchforks.
if "our guy" lasts that long. Not sure who our guy is, but I bet that McAdoo would love a more mobile QB. Hopefully he'd only go with one that he thinks will have Eli's intelligence, work effort and ability to read defenses.
You won't see BB wasting a first on such an asinine idea. Seriously what is the point? So when Eli is having his over the hill season, we have an unproven bench warmer ready to take our minds off of how badly the season is going? Why not just lose a couple more games in said hypothetical year and be at the top of the draft order? Is it really easier to grab the next Aaron Rodgers and have a seamless transition? History says its not.
is a little different than trading ip to grab the #1 player in the draft whom the GM strongly believed to be a QB that was a franchise maker.
Not saying the Giants shouldn't grab a QB in round two of they really believed Eli's replacement was available but still very different scenario than when the Giants drafted Eli.
It's just also likely the players they'd want or would seriously consider won't be there for them though.
If they really feel this way, I'd take Davis Webb in the 2nd round.
If by chance that happens....Great.
But besides Pittsburgh and SD who is in the same position we are in.....There Is the Jets, Cleveland, Jacksonville, TX, Denver, Arizona, Chicago, and others.....That can not afford to pass on a possible franchise QB.
Totally agree. I think he's a third round talent. But he probably has a higher upside than any other QB. As I have said, Trubisky is the only QB I would consider at #23, and I'm not even sure about him. I'd prefer the Giants not take a QB this year.
RB TE CB LB OL DL can all contribute to a championship this year.
He won't last until #55. But he definitely should. In fact, he should last until our third round pick. Same story every year. The desperate desire for QBs causes teams to overdraft them like no other position. Remember Christian Ponder and E.J. Manuel?
They're gonna pass on a first-round pass rusher for Mitch Trubisky or Davis Webb? I'd be stunned beyond measure.
It's just also likely the players they'd want or would seriously consider won't be there for them though.
And the only ones who think it's a real possibility are those who believe the FO is thinking of drafting a QB high while broadcasting their intent in every available channel.
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are purposely ignoring the GM, leaks, ownership, and the HC setting the table because of their own sentimental attachments.
It's just also likely the players they'd want or would seriously consider won't be there for them though.
And the only ones who think it's a real possibility are those who believe the FO is thinking of drafting a QB high while broadcasting their intent in every available channel.
While I doubt they truly think this crop of QB's will present the franchise an opportunity at continuity after Eli Manning, let's not pretend leaks regarding draft targets aren't and haven't been prevalent. Look no further than last spring with Floyd and Conklin.
If a QB they have tiered high enough is there for them, it's definitely on the table now. They're not going to force it, but if it happens, it does. It's not like it was even a couple years ago where it obviously wasn't.
If a QB they have tiered high enough is there for them, it's definitely on the table now. They're not going to force it, but if it happens, it does. It's not like it was even a couple years ago where it obviously wasn't.
This sums it up nicely. If a guy they have highly rated is there, they may pull the trigger if he represents BPA.
Year - hit/savings if cut
2017 - 19.7MM/none
2018 - 22.2MM/9.8MM
2019 - 23.2MM/17MM
Maybe they would like to replace him after 2018. If so, you kind of have to look this year for his replacement.
Year - hit/savings if cut
2017 - 19.7MM/none
2018 - 22.2MM/9.8MM
2019 - 23.2MM/17MM
Maybe they would like to replace him after 2018. If so, you kind of have to look this year for his replacement.
Any chance Mac wants his own guy with a little mobility?
It would not be the first time a new coach wants his guy.
I heard Phil Simms say he thought Webb would be a great fit for the Giants offense.
5th? Mahomes isn't getting out of the top 20.
1st round has to contribute this year.
2nd has to be a guy who is ready next year.
3rd round has to be a guy who can be a part of this team next year.
4-7 is a crap shoot. depth and projects.
Exactly. This better be horseshit. Qbs this year blow compared to next. And we can afford to wait.
They're gonna pass on a first-round pass rusher for Mitch Trubisky or Davis Webb? I'd be stunned beyond measure.
I think the depth at DL and DB are actually part of the reason why a QB is a possibility (but only if the front office has a worthy grade on the particular QB). If they think they can get the equivalent of a 1st round DL in the 2nd and/or a 2nd round DB in the 3rd (or vice versa), that could free them up to look long and hard at a QB early in the draft.
That's not to say they will or won't take one, just that the depth at their historically preferred positions could cause some deviation from the norm early on. I think that's also why we're seeing speculation about LB and TE in the 1st as well.
Im not advocating it.. but I could completely understand the move.
It also makes sense to send out as MUCH information that the Giants are interested in taking a QB.. possibly can get one of the teams lower down.. Arizona.. KC... to move up and get one..
KIzer and Webb will be available at #23. I wouldn't take either, but both could be gone by the end of the first round. Peterman goes in the second.
This is a bad year for QBs, but six will likely be gone by #55. At that point, you're left with Kaaya, Evans, Torgersen, etc. on day three.
Not saying the Giants shouldn't grab a QB in round two of they really believed Eli's replacement was available but still very different scenario than when the Giants drafted Eli.
Ten Ton Hammer : 7:11 pm
Till then, calling it major bs.
Me too.
After Eli leaves, you tank for a season and clear all your cap dead money. Draft your next franchise QB.
None of the QBs in this draft are the next Aaron Rogers