Much more evidence of wrongdoing. Familia' case was dropped, his wife said he was innocent and there were no witnesses. Yeah she called 911 but pretty much everyone confirmed she was drunk. Not saying he did anything wrong or not but you can't make an example of somebody when the law considered him innocent. Ah well. Time to move on.
I hate to seem joyful about a guy who very possibly committed domestic abuse getting less punishment than expected, but from a sports standpoint this is the best possible outcome.
I hate to seem joyful about a guy who very possibly committed domestic abuse getting less punishment than expected, but from a sports standpoint this is the best possible outcome.
he should've gotten zero IMO but I guess 15 is better than 30.
Given the workload he took last year, and his work in the WBC, 15 games off for him to start the year might ultimately be a good thing for the Mets hopes to win the World series.
I hate to seem joyful about a guy who very possibly committed domestic abuse getting less punishment than expected, but from a sports standpoint this is the best possible outcome.
Either was Chapman. That's my point.
With the Chapman incident after his wife called 911 he shot 8 bullets in his garage, one went through the window.
He was lucky he only got 30 games. And lucky he didn't kill anyone.
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Travis d’Arnaud, C
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In a statement, the Mets organization says it supports Jeurys Familia's decision to accept his 15-game suspension without an appeal.
Matz ends up heading north with the team after a decent showing this Thursday/Friday.
Mets roll with 8 in the pen.
Reed, Salas, Smoker, Blevins, Edgin, Robles, Montero, and Lugo.
When Familia returns after 2 weeks, Montero and Lugo return to Vegas to start.
Wheeler in EST.
Really crossing my fingers on Matz this week! Would be pumped to head into opening day with Matz ready to go and Harvey's velocity creeping upward.
He felt good yesterday and supposedly is going to throw 80 pitches or so this Thursday or Friday. Im guessing if it goes well there would be no reason to DL him.
Would it make more sense to have him start pitching in actual games at the start of May? Otherwise, he will be shut down by early August.
I agree with this. Especially with Lugo at least looking like he could be at least an option at #5 starter. If we only have limited innings from Wheeler, might as well (1) ensure we can use them down the stretch; and (2) ensure those are his best innings (i.e., he's likely to be more effective starting in June with 2 more months of mechanics work than starting a week from now).
Would it make more sense to have him start pitching in actual games at the start of May? Otherwise, he will be shut down by early August.
So you want him shut down early September instead?
I think if Wheeler is healthy you pitch him, like the Nationals did when Strasburg came back. When he reaches his innings limit, if the medical staff and Wheeler (and probably his agent) agree he's reached his limit, then he's shut down for next year.
I admittedly don't understand exactly what happens in extended spring training, but I've read a couple people say they think it's strange if he's ready to have him there to somehow save him until June-ish to be able to pitch in the playoffs. What is he doing there that is both helping to prepare him but not tax his arm?
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Would it make more sense to have him start pitching in actual games at the start of May? Otherwise, he will be shut down by early August.
So you want him shut down early September instead?
I think if Wheeler is healthy you pitch him, like the Nationals did when Strasburg came back. When he reaches his innings limit, if the medical staff and Wheeler (and probably his agent) agree he's reached his limit, then he's shut down for next year.
I admittedly don't understand exactly what happens in extended spring training, but I've read a couple people say they think it's strange if he's ready to have him there to somehow save him until June-ish to be able to pitch in the playoffs. What is he doing there that is both helping to prepare him but not tax his arm?
one benefit is not having him pitch in the cold, I'd assume.
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Is he's very likely not better than Matz or Gsellman so if he's not making the rotation what's the purpose? In EST yes he's still throwing some innings but it's much more relaxed and they can space it out longer and control it better.
I'd like to go to a 6 man rotation sometime over the summer to give everyone a break and if Wheeler is close to his innings limit in September so be it. Every starter cant make the postseason rotation anyway. Stick him in the pen for another 10-20 innings. If he's been pitching well all year that would be another weapon.
He can throw once every 7 days for like 5 innings or so and slowly build himself up from that by mid-May.
Those "innings" would still count...
They would count somewhere. Mets keep track of all of that Im sure. Im guessing Mets keep track of actual pitches opposed to innings which could be a huge difference. If Sandy is publicly saying Wheeler can go 124-140 innings Im guessing he's speaking about ML innings. I mean every time a pitcher warms up counts too but how ridiculous do we want to get?
thing people are ignoring with Wheeler is he's yet to show he can go a consistent 5-6-7 innings so all things considered the best course of action is sending him to extended, letting him get a few 4 inning, 5 inning, 6 inning performances in. This way, if he has a few early issues with stamina (he runs high pitch counts as it is) then it's not a killer to the bullpen (especially missing Familia for the first 15).
thing people are ignoring with Wheeler is he's yet to show he can go a consistent 5-6-7 innings so all things considered the best course of action is sending him to extended, letting him get a few 4 inning, 5 inning, 6 inning performances in. This way, if he has a few early issues with stamina (he runs high pitch counts as it is) then it's not a killer to the bullpen (especially missing Familia for the first 15).
That's what I don't get. How do these 4, 5, and 6 inning performances help Wheeler prepare for the season, increase command or whatever, but not count in the 125.
I'll dig up the quotes I found, some people (with more credibility than me (if you can believe that)) asked that exact question.
against Paul Goldshmidt in the majors VS working on some sliders, fastballs, and changeups in the palm trees of Florida against nobody or some minor leaguers are two completely different animals. Sure, it's still factored somewhere but it's not the same as just adding a 25-30 innings in the majors on to the total.
thing people are ignoring with Wheeler is he's yet to show he can go a consistent 5-6-7 innings so all things considered the best course of action is sending him to extended, letting him get a few 4 inning, 5 inning, 6 inning performances in. This way, if he has a few early issues with stamina (he runs high pitch counts as it is) then it's not a killer to the bullpen (especially missing Familia for the first 15).
That's what I don't get. How do these 4, 5, and 6 inning performances help Wheeler prepare for the season, increase command or whatever, but not count in the 125.
I'll dig up the quotes I found, some people (with more credibility than me (if you can believe that)) asked that exact question.
Because in the minors they can skip starts, they can have him go 4-5 innings for a month. Not to mention St. Lucie is a 6 man rotation.
as an example in St. Lucie Zack Wheeler (if he were the opening day SP) would be making 4 starts in April. If you capped him at 5 innings per start that's only 20 innings pitched.
line is (and this is the same Wheeler in the pen). You can't expect Terry Collins to both focus on winning games and then restrain him. His SP are expected to be able to give him a consistent 90-100+ pitches. Something Zack Wheeler hasn't done in 2 full years, something he had trouble with (within 6-7 innings) even at full health. Can't really complain about overusing the pen and then also stick Wheeler in the rotation sight unseen.
likely ex-Met Mike Pelfrey will be released soon. I wouldn't hate seeing what he could do in the LV BP but he's been historically reluctant to try the BP.
likely ex-Met Mike Pelfrey will be released soon. I wouldn't hate seeing what he could do in the LV BP but he's been historically reluctant to try the BP.
I dont think I could stand seeing him lick his hands ever again. lol
line is (and this is the same Wheeler in the pen). You can't expect Terry Collins to both focus on winning games and then restrain him. His SP are expected to be able to give him a consistent 90-100+ pitches. Something Zack Wheeler hasn't done in 2 full years, something he had trouble with (within 6-7 innings) even at full health. Can't really complain about overusing the pen and then also stick Wheeler in the rotation sight unseen.
This was kind of my point. I don't think another two months in PSL is going to make Wheeler a 7 inning pitcher.
If, and this is a big if, the Mets think Wheeler right now is one of their 5 best pitchers he should be in the major league rotation.
And I'd use him every 5th start until he is injured or reaches the innings limit.
From my perspective an April or May win count as much as a September win.
And when you miss the division by 1 game it could very much be due to the game in April you lost as it is the September high pressure high profile game.
Though I know people don't think that way generally. Though I think they should.
to rile up the Tebow stuff again but just an example of how he's being used... the Fireflies announced their Fan Fest "featuring Tim Tebow" and yet when I inquired into who else would be there (sneakily trying to decipher the roster) they said they didn't have any other names yet. That said, I can only imagine how many more people turn out to see Tebow than say Gene Cone lol
may yet end up a reliever but given the lack of SP depth + his #1 best spin rate on his CB in all of baseball in 2016.. I'd rather find out first. I mean different situation maybe a DeGrom or Gsellman are turned into relievers if they aren't given a chance as a SP, let's give Lugo that shot first.
if they come up with a plan thats something like I suggested. He's coming off a 2 year layoff so bringing him along slowly and building up his innings in a deliberate manner would seem to help him on the front end. On the backend if they cut him short 15-20 innings of his limit maybe he can pitch in the pen and be with the team all year. If you shut him down in July, you aren't going to start him back up again in October out of nowhere.
may yet end up a reliever but given the lack of SP depth + his #1 best spin rate on his CB in all of baseball in 2016.. I'd rather find out first. I mean different situation maybe a DeGrom or Gsellman are turned into relievers if they aren't given a chance as a SP, let's give Lugo that shot first.
I agree. Would you send Lugo to AA so that his CB can work with normal air?
Yeah I know he was not found guilty. Still.
I hate to seem joyful about a guy who very possibly committed domestic abuse getting less punishment than expected, but from a sports standpoint this is the best possible outcome.
I hate to seem joyful about a guy who very possibly committed domestic abuse getting less punishment than expected, but from a sports standpoint this is the best possible outcome.
Either was Chapman. That's my point.
Given the workload he took last year, and his work in the WBC, 15 games off for him to start the year might ultimately be a good thing for the Mets hopes to win the World series.
Reyes through his wife through a sliding glass door. There were witnesses and damages everywhere.
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he was not even charged. There is a difference.
I hate to seem joyful about a guy who very possibly committed domestic abuse getting less punishment than expected, but from a sports standpoint this is the best possible outcome.
Either was Chapman. That's my point.
With the Chapman incident after his wife called 911 he shot 8 bullets in his garage, one went through the window.
He was lucky he only got 30 games. And lucky he didn't kill anyone.
T.J. Rivera, 1B
Ty Kelly, 3B
Michael Conforto, CF
Wilmer Flores, 2B
Travis d’Arnaud, C
Travis Taijeron, RF
Tim Tebow, LF
Luis Guillorme, SS
Sean Gilmartin, P
Braves Lineup
Ender Inciarte, CF
Dansby Swanson, SS
Freddie Freeman, 1B
Matt Kemp, LF
Nick Markakis, RF
Brandon Phillips, 2B
Adonis Garcia, 3B
Tyler Flowers, C
Josh Collementer, P
In a statement, the Mets organization says it supports Jeurys Familia's decision to accept his 15-game suspension without an appeal.
Mets roll with 8 in the pen.
Reed, Salas, Smoker, Blevins, Edgin, Robles, Montero, and Lugo.
When Familia returns after 2 weeks, Montero and Lugo return to Vegas to start.
Wheeler in EST.
Mets roll with 8 in the pen.
Reed, Salas, Smoker, Blevins, Edgin, Robles, Montero, and Lugo.
When Familia returns after 2 weeks, Montero and Lugo return to Vegas to start.
Wheeler in EST.
Really crossing my fingers on Matz this week! Would be pumped to head into opening day with Matz ready to go and Harvey's velocity creeping upward.
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Matz ends up heading north with the team after a decent showing this Thursday/Friday.
Mets roll with 8 in the pen.
Reed, Salas, Smoker, Blevins, Edgin, Robles, Montero, and Lugo.
When Familia returns after 2 weeks, Montero and Lugo return to Vegas to start.
Wheeler in EST.
Really crossing my fingers on Matz this week! Would be pumped to head into opening day with Matz ready to go and Harvey's velocity creeping upward.
He felt good yesterday and supposedly is going to throw 80 pitches or so this Thursday or Friday. Im guessing if it goes well there would be no reason to DL him.
I agree with this. Especially with Lugo at least looking like he could be at least an option at #5 starter. If we only have limited innings from Wheeler, might as well (1) ensure we can use them down the stretch; and (2) ensure those are his best innings (i.e., he's likely to be more effective starting in June with 2 more months of mechanics work than starting a week from now).
So you want him shut down early September instead?
I think if Wheeler is healthy you pitch him, like the Nationals did when Strasburg came back. When he reaches his innings limit, if the medical staff and Wheeler (and probably his agent) agree he's reached his limit, then he's shut down for next year.
I admittedly don't understand exactly what happens in extended spring training, but I've read a couple people say they think it's strange if he's ready to have him there to somehow save him until June-ish to be able to pitch in the playoffs. What is he doing there that is both helping to prepare him but not tax his arm?
Those "innings" would still count...
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Would it make more sense to have him start pitching in actual games at the start of May? Otherwise, he will be shut down by early August.
So you want him shut down early September instead?
I think if Wheeler is healthy you pitch him, like the Nationals did when Strasburg came back. When he reaches his innings limit, if the medical staff and Wheeler (and probably his agent) agree he's reached his limit, then he's shut down for next year.
I admittedly don't understand exactly what happens in extended spring training, but I've read a couple people say they think it's strange if he's ready to have him there to somehow save him until June-ish to be able to pitch in the playoffs. What is he doing there that is both helping to prepare him but not tax his arm?
one benefit is not having him pitch in the cold, I'd assume.
I'd like to go to a 6 man rotation sometime over the summer to give everyone a break and if Wheeler is close to his innings limit in September so be it. Every starter cant make the postseason rotation anyway. Stick him in the pen for another 10-20 innings. If he's been pitching well all year that would be another weapon.
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He can throw once every 7 days for like 5 innings or so and slowly build himself up from that by mid-May.
Those "innings" would still count...
They would count somewhere. Mets keep track of all of that Im sure. Im guessing Mets keep track of actual pitches opposed to innings which could be a huge difference. If Sandy is publicly saying Wheeler can go 124-140 innings Im guessing he's speaking about ML innings. I mean every time a pitcher warms up counts too but how ridiculous do we want to get?
Right and that's exactly what I meant. How stressful is throwing 50-60 pitches once a week in Port. St Lucie in a simulated game really?
That's what I don't get. How do these 4, 5, and 6 inning performances help Wheeler prepare for the season, increase command or whatever, but not count in the 125.
I'll dig up the quotes I found, some people (with more credibility than me (if you can believe that)) asked that exact question.
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thing people are ignoring with Wheeler is he's yet to show he can go a consistent 5-6-7 innings so all things considered the best course of action is sending him to extended, letting him get a few 4 inning, 5 inning, 6 inning performances in. This way, if he has a few early issues with stamina (he runs high pitch counts as it is) then it's not a killer to the bullpen (especially missing Familia for the first 15).
That's what I don't get. How do these 4, 5, and 6 inning performances help Wheeler prepare for the season, increase command or whatever, but not count in the 125.
I'll dig up the quotes I found, some people (with more credibility than me (if you can believe that)) asked that exact question.
Because in the minors they can skip starts, they can have him go 4-5 innings for a month. Not to mention St. Lucie is a 6 man rotation.
Montero is finished after two shutout innings of relief. He's in good shape for a bullpen job, but nothing official yet.
I dont think I could stand seeing him lick his hands ever again. lol
This was kind of my point. I don't think another two months in PSL is going to make Wheeler a 7 inning pitcher.
If, and this is a big if, the Mets think Wheeler right now is one of their 5 best pitchers he should be in the major league rotation.
And I'd use him every 5th start until he is injured or reaches the innings limit.
From my perspective an April or May win count as much as a September win.
And when you miss the division by 1 game it could very much be due to the game in April you lost as it is the September high pressure high profile game.
Though I know people don't think that way generally. Though I think they should.
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I'd like to see him in AA or AAA to iron out the control, but he's a much better candidate for long-man out of the pen than Lugo would be.
I agree. Would you send Lugo to AA so that his CB can work with normal air?