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Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/29/2017 12:57 pm
The fact that these companies basically have regional monopolies is BS.

You can usually get some sort of "discount" promotion or loyalty rate if you talk to customer service, but the entire thing is a scam.
that's the route we are headed to  
UConn4523 : 3/29/2017 12:59 pm : link
with streaming increasing. And wait until there's full blown a la cart television, internet prices will increase substantially unless there's some sort of government regulation in place (I think there's something now but i'm fuzzy on the details).
if they break up the  
sshin05 : 3/29/2017 1:00 pm : link
regional monopolies, you'll get better prices. Comcast, Spectrum, etc. they need to be broken up.
Well, I have bad news  
jcn56 : 3/29/2017 1:01 pm : link
The current administration's policies only ensure that it's going to get worse for you on that front, thanks to their all out assault on net neutrality (whose bottom line is to protect those monopolies and decimate the competition).
I switched  
bigbb : 3/29/2017 1:06 pm : link
I just switched from AT&T to Comcast. Comcast is offering a 150 megabytes per second and 224 channels for $71 a month for a one year contract
The fact that the US  
mrvax : 3/29/2017 1:08 pm : link
does not lead the world in speed & price for internet is a damn shame. Really.

My wife & I pay $115 for MetroPCS full service phones. I use my phone for all my internet needs. It's usually running at 29Mbps and supplies my tethered laptop and a smart TV (thru OTShotspot) for Netflix, Kodi, etc.

TMobile/MetroPCS has a 28Gb monthly limit at full speed. However, once I'm over that the decrease (throttle down) is minimal.

Well they passed a law saying the ISP  
Mattman : 3/29/2017 1:08 pm : link
can sell your browsing information... maybe it will get cheaper now...
Whats ridiculous?  
Young Elijah : 3/29/2017 1:10 pm : link
I pay $137 all in for the Comcast triple play 2 boxes, with solid internet and a full slew of channels. I feel like thats fair when were paying 100$ a month for cell service and and 30-80$ a month for a gym membership. You use nothing more than you do your internet so I definitely see value there.
They'll get you one way or the other  
ZogZerg : 3/29/2017 1:10 pm : link
..
If you look at the money trail  
RAIN : 3/29/2017 1:12 pm : link
and the campaign contributions, our representatives have no reason but to support their backers.. ie. Not us. Unless you contact them directly and let it be known.
RE: Well they passed a law saying the ISP  
BMac : 3/29/2017 1:13 pm : link
In comment 13410656 Mattman said:
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can sell your browsing information... maybe it will get cheaper now...


Don't count on it. However, I think that if personal info is able to be sold, the service that they glean it from should come at no charge.
Yea  
Mattman : 3/29/2017 1:14 pm : link
I was being sarcastic
I haven't had cable or internet at home  
Motley Two : 3/29/2017 1:14 pm : link
since I bought my house 9 months ago. So you can guess how motivated I am to call them up & start paying that bill again.
Ahh remember the days of netzero  
rasbutant : 3/29/2017 1:16 pm : link
Free with advertisements.
beware of laws that sound too goog to be true (most)  
Victor in CT : 3/29/2017 1:21 pm : link
The Telecommunicatiosn act of 1996 was supposed to deregulate the market and open i to competition. In reality, it codified said regional monopolies.
I also don't think its unreasonable  
UConn4523 : 3/29/2017 1:24 pm : link
Using wifi for my phone, laptop, and streaming devices along with the amount of TV I watch comes out to $6 per day. If I include Netflix then its $6.50 per day for essentially unlimited content.

What's worse is cell phone prices costing as much or more as a laptop. I used to upgrade all the time but now there is almost no point unless you time it with a free phone promo.
RE: beware of laws that sound too goog to be true (most)  
Deej : 3/29/2017 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13410688 Victor in CT said:
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The Telecommunicatiosn act of 1996 was supposed to deregulate the market and open i to competition. In reality, it codified said regional monopolies.


Except the pricing on TELECOM services is dirt cheap. You can get all-in domestic VOIP calling for life with a $100 device (plus monthly taxes).
Lack of competition is a huge, huge problem in this country  
Deej : 3/29/2017 1:30 pm : link
some paper/magazine recently did a bit of an expose, but it turns out that all these mergers are getting approved with bunk science. Professors are making 10-20x their salary writing "expert reports" submitted to FTC/DOJ to purportedly demonstrate that each merger will drive consumer costs down via economies of scale. But after the mergers close, the companies just raise prices because there is less competition.

The last admin started drawing the line on mergers somewhat late in the game. I dont expect it to be a priority of this admin.

This is a big issue to me. It's one of those things we never talk about but in fact is hugely impactful on most people's lives. And even without mergers, there is research suggesting that investment patterns (ie broad index funds) are driving down competition. There is in particular a study suggesting airlines dont compete as much as they should because they're all owned by the same shareholders (Vanguard, Blackrock etc) and there is no pressure from those institutions to grab marketshare since it would just eat into their other airline stocks.
As  
AcidTest : 3/29/2017 1:34 pm : link
my grandmother would have said, "we're in their power."
Interesting that this thread is posted  
Overseer : 3/29/2017 1:38 pm : link
on a day when the breadth of the ISP's power over our representatives (well, in this case a singular flavor) has been duly exhibited.

Hey, maybe now that we're for sale, our monthly fees will commensurately be reduced! (Ha. Ha.)

Help us Google Fiber, you're our only hope.
RE: Lack of competition is a huge, huge problem in this country  
Victor in CT : 3/29/2017 1:44 pm : link
In comment 13410699 Deej said:
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some paper/magazine recently did a bit of an expose, but it turns out that all these mergers are getting approved with bunk science. Professors are making 10-20x their salary writing "expert reports" submitted to FTC/DOJ to purportedly demonstrate that each merger will drive consumer costs down via economies of scale. But after the mergers close, the companies just raise prices because there is less competition.

The last admin started drawing the line on mergers somewhat late in the game. I dont expect it to be a priority of this admin.

This is a big issue to me. It's one of those things we never talk about but in fact is hugely impactful on most people's lives. And even without mergers, there is research suggesting that investment patterns (ie broad index funds) are driving down competition. There is in particular a study suggesting airlines dont compete as much as they should because they're all owned by the same shareholders (Vanguard, Blackrock etc) and there is no pressure from those institutions to grab marketshare since it would just eat into their other airline stocks.


Crony capitalism is what it's called.
RE: Interesting that this thread is posted  
jcn56 : 3/29/2017 1:44 pm : link
In comment 13410710 Overseer said:
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on a day when the breadth of the ISP's power over our representatives (well, in this case a singular flavor) has been duly exhibited.

Hey, maybe now that we're for sale, our monthly fees will commensurately be reduced! (Ha. Ha.)

Help us Google Fiber, you're our only hope.


I wouldn't get my hopes up...
Google Fiber cancels on KC - ( New Window )
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Mike in Long Beach : 3/29/2017 1:45 pm : link
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Help us Google Fiber, you're our only hope.


I was thinking a similar thought. If it doesn't get regulated (or if competition isn't allowed and keeps prices in check) I really think reasonable internet prices will be gone unless philanthropist billionaires like Zuckerberg step in and create their own companies knowing they're going to take a loss.

Sad thing to have to rely on.
Yea...  
Jan in DC : 3/29/2017 1:46 pm : link
My favorite is that the longer you're with them, the higher the cost. That's the benefit for loyalty our ISP provides. Our bill goes up $10 every year.

When I called them up last I said "You're actually punishing me for staying with you." The customer service rep did whatever the phone equivalent of a shrug is.
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Eli Wilson : 3/29/2017 1:51 pm : link
I think prices from cell data will start going down giving consumers a "reasonable" option vs the cable companies. Since there are multiple players in that market, one can only hope the competition will help balance things.
I've got Verizon double play(basic TV and 75G wifi)  
AnnapolisMike : 3/29/2017 1:53 pm : link
for about $75/mo. Considering how much we use....I don't think it is terribly overpriced.

My better deal is with cell service. $120/mo for 5 phones on Cricket. Three phones with 3gb and two with 8GB. Yes...the speed is about 10-12gb rather than 20-25. So I have to wait an additional 2 seconds for a website to load.
RE: Yea...  
UConn4523 : 3/29/2017 1:55 pm : link
In comment 13410723 Jan in DC said:
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My favorite is that the longer you're with them, the higher the cost. That's the benefit for loyalty our ISP provides. Our bill goes up $10 every year.

When I called them up last I said "You're actually punishing me for staying with you." The customer service rep did whatever the phone equivalent of a shrug is.


I tried getting my bill lowered, threatening to cancel back in January just to see what I can get and the rep said "ok".

They are instructed to stonewall you and call your bluff because even if you do want to cancel they will have to put you on with someone else who handles that (who also has the ability to keep you on as a customer).

The only shot is getting lucky with a rep who has a soul, or calling and calling until you get the answer you are looking for (which no one has time for).
it is amazing  
giantfan2000 : 3/29/2017 2:02 pm : link
I have a friend who lives one block away from me in NYC . their building is wired with fios ,rcn and spectrum .

my building is smaller so we can only get spectrum ..

Their exact same internet service cost 50% less than mine and it is from the same company (spectrum)

the home is 5G will we so fast that companies will be able to provide fast internet
without wires and actually cost Cable internet to have real competition

5G Will be offered to homes before smartphones





I pay $220 a month....  
BillKo : 3/29/2017 2:05 pm : link
from Comcast, southern NJ.

I have 1 box with a DVR, all the premium channels (except TMC), the sports tier, and the fastest Internet service.

And yeah, I think it's way overpriced...........
best bet for more competition is 5G  
giants#1 : 3/29/2017 2:28 pm : link
Several companies are starting to test their 5G technologies, though nothing is set to be standardized until 2020. The download speeds with 5G should be at least 10x those of 4G (LTE) which would make it an option of cable/fiber optic for the home.

This would be particularly attractive for rural areas where it's ridiculously expensive to lay new fiber/coax.
The OP is mildly ironic  
Patrick77 : 3/29/2017 2:34 pm : link
Sucks, but it's likely only to get worse in the short term.
A lot of the hopeful posts are being overly optimistic  
jcn56 : 3/29/2017 2:42 pm : link
the ability of the wireless providers to compete isn't nearly as strong as you think. At the end of the day, they all have to pay for peering.
The price we pay for monopolies  
montanagiant : 3/29/2017 2:42 pm : link
This was all pointed out as reasons why monopolies are so bad.
I  
mitch300 : 3/29/2017 2:46 pm : link
use o have ATT for internet. The biggest scam was if I wanted a faster speed I had to pay more. WTF either you give me the access or not. It doesn't cost ATT anymore money to me having a faster speed.
RE: The fact that the US  
montanagiant : 3/29/2017 2:47 pm : link
In comment 13410654 mrvax said:
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does not lead the world in speed & price for internet is a damn shame. Really.

My wife & I pay $115 for MetroPCS full service phones. I use my phone for all my internet needs. It's usually running at 29Mbps and supplies my tethered laptop and a smart TV (thru OTShotspot) for Netflix, Kodi, etc.

TMobile/MetroPCS has a 28Gb monthly limit at full speed. However, once I'm over that the decrease (throttle down) is minimal.
It really is amazing how bad our Internet and wireless Phone service is in comparison to Europe. In 2005 I did a jobsite in Izmet, Turkey. We did a tour of some really remote mountain areas at least 40 miles away from any kind of actual town. Had 3-4 bars of service on my phone the whole time. Yet i drop calls all day long here in the states, even while in major cities
RE: I  
Deej : 3/29/2017 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13410833 mitch300 said:
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use o have ATT for internet. The biggest scam was if I wanted a faster speed I had to pay more. WTF either you give me the access or not. It doesn't cost ATT anymore money to me having a faster speed.


Yeah, I noticed a few years ago that my Fios internet was a lot slower. Then a month or two later they introduced a "faster" tier. They literally throttled my existing service so they could upcharge me for what I had been getting.
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jcn56 : 3/29/2017 2:58 pm : link
In comment 13410836 montanagiant said:
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does not lead the world in speed & price for internet is a damn shame. Really.

My wife & I pay $115 for MetroPCS full service phones. I use my phone for all my internet needs. It's usually running at 29Mbps and supplies my tethered laptop and a smart TV (thru OTShotspot) for Netflix, Kodi, etc.

TMobile/MetroPCS has a 28Gb monthly limit at full speed. However, once I'm over that the decrease (throttle down) is minimal.


It really is amazing how bad our Internet and wireless Phone service is in comparison to Europe. In 2005 I did a jobsite in Izmet, Turkey. We did a tour of some really remote mountain areas at least 40 miles away from any kind of actual town. Had 3-4 bars of service on my phone the whole time. Yet i drop calls all day long here in the states, even while in major cities


That's mostly due to the fact that large swaths of Europe didn't get POTS (plain ole telephone service) with copper wiring to central offices, and when many of them got service the first time around it was wireless. They took cost that would have gone into maintaining a larger legacy copper installation and poured it into cellular infrastructure instead.
RE: I  
giants#1 : 3/29/2017 3:06 pm : link
In comment 13410833 mitch300 said:
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use o have ATT for internet. The biggest scam was if I wanted a faster speed I had to pay more. WTF either you give me the access or not. It doesn't cost ATT anymore money to me having a faster speed.


Actually it does cost them more to give you a faster data rate.
RE: RE: The fact that the US  
giants#1 : 3/29/2017 3:08 pm : link
In comment 13410836 montanagiant said:
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In comment 13410654 mrvax said:


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does not lead the world in speed & price for internet is a damn shame. Really.

My wife & I pay $115 for MetroPCS full service phones. I use my phone for all my internet needs. It's usually running at 29Mbps and supplies my tethered laptop and a smart TV (thru OTShotspot) for Netflix, Kodi, etc.

TMobile/MetroPCS has a 28Gb monthly limit at full speed. However, once I'm over that the decrease (throttle down) is minimal.


It really is amazing how bad our Internet and wireless Phone service is in comparison to Europe. In 2005 I did a jobsite in Izmet, Turkey. We did a tour of some really remote mountain areas at least 40 miles away from any kind of actual town. Had 3-4 bars of service on my phone the whole time. Yet i drop calls all day long here in the states, even while in major cities


In some ways remote mountain areas are easier to cover than dense cities. One high power cell tower on the tallest mountain likely provides coverage for 10s of kilometers in all directions. In cities you have capacity issues (too many users in an area) plus coverage issues (skyscrapers blocking signals).
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montanagiant : 3/29/2017 5:49 pm : link
In comment 13410884 giants#1 said:
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In comment 13410654 mrvax said:


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does not lead the world in speed & price for internet is a damn shame. Really.

My wife & I pay $115 for MetroPCS full service phones. I use my phone for all my internet needs. It's usually running at 29Mbps and supplies my tethered laptop and a smart TV (thru OTShotspot) for Netflix, Kodi, etc.

TMobile/MetroPCS has a 28Gb monthly limit at full speed. However, once I'm over that the decrease (throttle down) is minimal.


It really is amazing how bad our Internet and wireless Phone service is in comparison to Europe. In 2005 I did a jobsite in Izmet, Turkey. We did a tour of some really remote mountain areas at least 40 miles away from any kind of actual town. Had 3-4 bars of service on my phone the whole time. Yet i drop calls all day long here in the states, even while in major cities



In some ways remote mountain areas are easier to cover than dense cities. One high power cell tower on the tallest mountain likely provides coverage for 10s of kilometers in all directions. In cities you have capacity issues (too many users in an area) plus coverage issues (skyscrapers blocking signals).

Yeah but we are talking Turkey which is just a step above 3rd world
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mitch300 : 3/29/2017 6:15 pm : link
In comment 13410874 giants#1 said:
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use o have ATT for internet. The biggest scam was if I wanted a faster speed I had to pay more. WTF either you give me the access or not. It doesn't cost ATT anymore money to me having a faster speed.



Actually it does cost them more to give you a faster data rate.


I did not know that. Can you elaborate.
Stuck with Comcast till Verizon FIOS comes in  
NYG27 : 3/29/2017 6:18 pm : link
Comcast currently has a monopoly in my neighborhood but we were rumored to be getting Verizon FIOS within the next 2-3 years.

If\When we do, then that's be great as I could pit both against each other and see who has a better offer every 2 years.
eric sounds like my dad...  
ShocknAwe80 : 3/29/2017 6:33 pm : link
he can't believe that an ice cream sundae at carvel is 5-6 bucks... It is what it is.
Pick your poison on too big  
ctc in ftmyers : 3/29/2017 6:49 pm : link
to fail.

Auto makers, health insurance, banking/investment services, internet, etc, etc.

The question is how to make all the above competitive in an open market without encouraging the monopoly that ends up in too big too fail?

Way above my pay grade.
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D-Rod : 3/29/2017 6:57 pm : link
In comment 13411224 mitch300 said:
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use o have ATT for internet. The biggest scam was if I wanted a faster speed I had to pay more. WTF either you give me the access or not. It doesn't cost ATT anymore money to me having a faster speed.



Actually it does cost them more to give you a faster data rate.



I did not know that. Can you elaborate.


He is absolutely correct. It does cost them more. The access is only one part of the cost associated with bandwidth available.
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giants#1 : 3/29/2017 7:17 pm : link
In comment 13411224 mitch300 said:
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use o have ATT for internet. The biggest scam was if I wanted a faster speed I had to pay more. WTF either you give me the access or not. It doesn't cost ATT anymore money to me having a faster speed.



Actually it does cost them more to give you a faster data rate.



I did not know that. Can you elaborate.


Each fiber and the switches and routers (and other hardware) that connects your neighborhood to the Internet has a limited bandwidth (data rate). So if more people sign up and start using it, they need to add new hardware to maintain top speed for everyone. Hardware coats money.

Simplified explanation but hopefully gets the point across.
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mitch300 : 3/30/2017 12:30 am : link
In comment 13411278 giants#1 said:
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use o have ATT for internet. The biggest scam was if I wanted a faster speed I had to pay more. WTF either you give me the access or not. It doesn't cost ATT anymore money to me having a faster speed.



Actually it does cost them more to give you a faster data rate.



I did not know that. Can you elaborate.



Each fiber and the switches and routers (and other hardware) that connects your neighborhood to the Internet has a limited bandwidth (data rate). So if more people sign up and start using it, they need to add new hardware to maintain top speed for everyone. Hardware coats money.

Simplified explanation but hopefully gets the point across.

Yes it does. Thanks
RE: The fact that the US  
santacruzom : 3/30/2017 12:35 am : link
In comment 13410654 mrvax said:
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does not lead the world in speed & price for internet is a damn shame. Really.


It's funny. We have this impression that the US is the leader in so many technological and infrastructure fields. It just isn't the case.

South Korea's broadband and wifi infrastructure, for example, would simply make you cry in envy.
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Jim in Fairfax : 3/30/2017 1:15 am : link
In comment 13411425 santacruzom said:
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does not lead the world in speed & price for internet is a damn shame. Really.




It's funny. We have this impression that the US is the leader in so many technological and infrastructure fields. It just isn't the case.

South Korea's broadband and wifi infrastructure, for example, would simply make you cry in envy.


South Korea (and others) is more densely populated, so the cost of installation was lower. Also, they started later and so what they were putting in was faster/better.
I believe in Connecticut there aren't any monopolies  
Knineteen : 3/30/2017 1:49 am : link
on communication providers. The problem is, cable providers don't intrude on each other's territories. It pretty much amounts to collusion, which somehow is legal.

IMHO, communications should be just like electricity...you pay one company for content and another for transmission. The two shouldn't be one and the same company as it reduces competition.
RE: Stuck with Comcast till Verizon FIOS comes in  
Matt M. : 3/30/2017 5:58 am : link
In comment 13411225 NYG27 said:
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Comcast currently has a monopoly in my neighborhood but we were rumored to be getting Verizon FIOS within the next 2-3 years.

If\When we do, then that's be great as I could pit both against each other and see who has a better offer every 2 years.
And then FiOS will be the company charging an arm and a leg.
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