everyone's opinions on what you are NEVER supposed to do.
Can't take a QB here.
Can't trade up for a TE there.
Never draft a RB high.
All of this means nothing. All we can go on are what we know to be NYG tendencies. Keep in mind however, this is only year two of the Reese/Mac approach, very little history.
In my own words I would try to best describe NYG philosophy as best marriage of value + need with an eye towards DE, CB, WR.
This year is very exciting because there seem to be a million different things going on at once. FA moves reflect a team that is acknowledging a 2-3 year window with an aging QB. We all know that outside of Hankins, the final pieces to this roster are TE, RB or perhaps another OL.
On the other hand, because you have an aging QB, and a second year HC with an eye towards grooming QBs. You very well might see one taken early.
My gut says round 1 we come away with a TE, RB or QB, perhaps with a trade up.
You have an 11-5 team that did not lose any real body,
It's an educated guess based on team needs and prospect rankings but...I could see Howard available at #13. Him dropping further than that is problematical. It would cost your 2nd Rounder to get him. Or a comparable package of picks from this and next years draft. Bad idea imo.
The only guy I can recall off the top of my head is Winslow.
I expect the quarterbacks to go earlier than is being talked about; they always move up as the draft approaches. That's how you end up with Blaine Gabbert and Christian Ponder getting picked super high.
History says that Howard won't go top 10.
I wish you were right about Howard but 99% of the time where there's smoke there's fire. There's too much good buzz on Howard. He might make it past 10 but not much further in my view. I do agree about the QBs but not all of them will go in the first. I will say two go the rest slide.
RE: Lets say the Ravens select Howard with pick #16
but the Giants LOVE the kid. Has it ever happened during the 1st round where a team like the Giants would call the Ravens and make an offer for Howard giving #23 and #87 or whatever?
(Howard is one of the few players I can see our team trading up for.)
Raven and Bucs love to grab our Targets. And you never know what the Titans will do.
Think of this 2 TE packages with Perkins in the backfield. or our famous 11 package with Howard as a big target. 2 big targets 2 fast in OBJ and Shepard.
and I think OTs will go in round 1 as well. I know there aren't many but the 3-4 OTs that are on everyone's radar will all go in round 1, even if many of them aren't that good. Teams are desperate for OTs and CBs. Sprinkle in a couple of QBs going early, hopefully more, and maybe the Giants get lucky and an athlete slips to 23.
I think Ebron is starting to finally get it. 61 catches for 711 yards last year in 13 games. If he can stay healthy moving forward in his career, I think he'll be a 75-80 type guy year over year, especially with Stafford there. It took a little bit but Ebron has become a nice player.
It's year four. So I'll stick with has been a disappointment. 7 TD's in three seasons for a guy touted as a red zone difference maker. #10 overall. He'll have a lot of making up to do to justify that pick for the Lions.
If the Giants trade up it will be their 3rd round pick they give up to move into the 18th or 19th slot (ahead of Denver) and they will use the pick on either Ramczyk or Robinson.
OL is the elephant in the room (as in: the Giants need another elephant in the room)....
Those 2 go well after 23, and probably in the 2nd round. Should never trade up for them.
Howard is a projection, but the physical package is a once in a decade package.
In evaluating Howard, people have to realize how strong Bama was. There was no reason to structure an offense around Howard, and even less as the QB was not up to the talent level of the rest of the team.
If Howard took 4 years to produce he and the entire Giants
Those 2 go well after 23, and probably in the 2nd round.
And you know this because.....???
What's so abnormal about this draft? 32 prospects will be selected in the first round, some will succeed, some will fail. Was it a normal draft when Scherff and Flowers went in the top ten or was that an abnormal draft as well? How do you think Ramczyk and Robinson stack up against Scherff and Flowers coming out of school?
I have a 1st round grade on Robinson and Ramczyk (ahead of Howard, Njoku, Charlton, Reddick, and Cunningham, btw) and you don't. But who the hell are we? We won't know what the professionals think until April 27th. And the professionals don't have such a great track record to begin with.
If you break it down by position, in all likelihood, I agree it's for either of the 2 TE's. Howard absolutely would require a significant trade to get and Njoku is probably gone around 20.
It can't be any other position, right? QB, OL, RB, WR, DL, LB, or DB. I don't see it.
How does that conversation go exactly with the opposing GM? Trade down with us so we can get the player we really love but we don't want to give you much for him???
We've seen all sorts of draft day trades that are better or worse than the standard trade chart.
We don't know who the Giants may be targeting and at what rounds. People are assuming it's Howard.
It's year four. So I'll stick with has been a disappointment. 7 TD's in three seasons for a guy touted as a red zone difference maker. #10 overall. He'll have a lot of making up to do to justify that pick for the Lions.
He's turning 23 in April. And if you mean "it's year 4" sure, this is his 4th NFL season coming up. Look at the production, it's increased every season. He had more learning to do than they probably realized but he's 22 years old! What 22 year old tight ends in the league currently are catching 60 balls?
And that's irrelevant to the return they've gotten on the investment. 2 lost seasons followed by 61 receptions and no red zone impact from a former #10 overall pick is disappointing. Own it.
Those 2 go well after 23, and probably in the 2nd round.
And you know this because.....???
What's so abnormal about this draft? 32 prospects will be selected in the first round, some will succeed, some will fail. Was it a normal draft when Scherff and Flowers went in the top ten or was that an abnormal draft as well? How do you think Ramczyk and Robinson stack up against Scherff and Flowers coming out of school?
I have a 1st round grade on Robinson and Ramczyk (ahead of Howard, Njoku, Charlton, Reddick, and Cunningham, btw) and you don't. But who the hell are we? We won't know what the professionals think until April 27th. And the professionals don't have such a great track record to begin with.
Milton, you've always been one of my favorite posters. You remain true to your convictions and don't yield ground to the BBI chorus.
It's year four. So I'll stick with has been a disappointment. 7 TD's in three seasons for a guy touted as a red zone difference maker. #10 overall. He'll have a lot of making up to do to justify that pick for the Lions.
He's turning 23 in April. And if you mean "it's year 4" sure, this is his 4th NFL season coming up. Look at the production, it's increased every season. He had more learning to do than they probably realized but he's 22 years old! What 22 year old tight ends in the league currently are catching 60 balls?
Apply said logic to 20 yr old rookie starter, 21 yr old second year starter and 22 yr old soon to be 3rd yr starter LT Flowers, E.
RE: RE: RE: If so, let's hope they don't tip their hand again this year
that is coming off an operation and had 1 year at D1. #1 almost certainly needs either impact or to start. I'm not sure Ramcyzk can do either this year.
I think Howard or Njoku are the players they would like or one of the really good LBs or CBs.
then they can't trade up for him. I really can't imagine them trading a second rounder to move up. But if Njoku is there and it only requires a third and something else, I think they jump all over it.
LOL, yeah, "don't be shocked if they trade up in the first or second round"
crazy smokescreen there. Teams will be scrambling to decode this one.
and like last year when they were like an open book with their affinity for Conklin and Floyd hopefully, if they really did like both players, they aren't as open with their thoughts.
Eric, I think he is a generational talent a the position. A complete TE in a world where there are very few of those.
Can you elaborate why you think they crave Howard?
Emil, I think the Green Bay offense is centered around the tight end. I think the fact we haven't had a legit tight end has crippled this offense.
Eric, don't you think it will take at least the 2nd rounder to move up to get Howard? Can't Njoku be an upgrade at TE and checks enough boxes to be the target?
LOL, yeah, "don't be shocked if they trade up in the first or second round"
crazy smokescreen there. Teams will be scrambling to decode this one.
and like last year when they were like an open book with their affinity for Conklin and Floyd hopefully, if they really did like both players, they aren't as open with their thoughts.
Guesses from beat writers are all it takes for people to believe that the Giants were crushed or hoodwinked in the draft. According to some it happens every single time whenever the Giants can't draft someone the media has opined they want to. Have any of these claims ever been actually been validated?
I find that it's a bit too convenient to believe that the only time of the year the Giants-related media knows what's going on for sure is the most information-sensitive time of the year.
Moton goes before 55 IMO.
There would also be other players in the top 40-45 that could help us, depending how the draft falls. Some team or 2 is very likely to pick a guy a round early or whatever and change the dynamic of the draft.
Can't take a QB here.
Can't trade up for a TE there.
Never draft a RB high.
All of this means nothing. All we can go on are what we know to be NYG tendencies. Keep in mind however, this is only year two of the Reese/Mac approach, very little history.
In my own words I would try to best describe NYG philosophy as best marriage of value + need with an eye towards DE, CB, WR.
This year is very exciting because there seem to be a million different things going on at once. FA moves reflect a team that is acknowledging a 2-3 year window with an aging QB. We all know that outside of Hankins, the final pieces to this roster are TE, RB or perhaps another OL.
On the other hand, because you have an aging QB, and a second year HC with an eye towards grooming QBs. You very well might see one taken early.
My gut says round 1 we come away with a TE, RB or QB, perhaps with a trade up.
I could definitely see the Giants selling their entire draft for 2 players that they see as immediate difference makers.
If Howard were to clear the 1st 10, I could see them pulling the trigger to move up.
I expect the quarterbacks to go earlier than is being talked about; they always move up as the draft approaches. That's how you end up with Blaine Gabbert and Christian Ponder getting picked super high.
History says that Howard won't go top 10.
I wish you were right about Howard but 99% of the time where there's smoke there's fire. There's too much good buzz on Howard. He might make it past 10 but not much further in my view. I do agree about the QBs but not all of them will go in the first. I will say two go the rest slide.
(Howard is one of the few players I can see our team trading up for.)
Raven and Bucs love to grab our Targets. And you never know what the Titans will do.
Think of this 2 TE packages with Perkins in the backfield. or our famous 11 package with Howard as a big target. 2 big targets 2 fast in OBJ and Shepard.
I would be psyched if it were Williams of Clemson. That dude is going to be a star in this league.
OL is the elephant in the room (as in: the Giants need another elephant in the room)....
Howard is a projection, but the physical package is a once in a decade package.
In evaluating Howard, people have to realize how strong Bama was. There was no reason to structure an offense around Howard, and even less as the QB was not up to the talent level of the rest of the team.
THANK YOU CHICAGO!!!!! I for one was eternally grateful
Conklin too
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THANK YOU CHICAGO!!!!! I for one was eternally grateful
Floyd had a great rookie season, what on Earth are you talking about?
What's so abnormal about this draft? 32 prospects will be selected in the first round, some will succeed, some will fail. Was it a normal draft when Scherff and Flowers went in the top ten or was that an abnormal draft as well? How do you think Ramczyk and Robinson stack up against Scherff and Flowers coming out of school?
I have a 1st round grade on Robinson and Ramczyk (ahead of Howard, Njoku, Charlton, Reddick, and Cunningham, btw) and you don't. But who the hell are we? We won't know what the professionals think until April 27th. And the professionals don't have such a great track record to begin with.
If you break it down by position, in all likelihood, I agree it's for either of the 2 TE's. Howard absolutely would require a significant trade to get and Njoku is probably gone around 20.
It can't be any other position, right? QB, OL, RB, WR, DL, LB, or DB. I don't see it.
We've seen all sorts of draft day trades that are better or worse than the standard trade chart.
We don't know who the Giants may be targeting and at what rounds. People are assuming it's Howard.
He's turning 23 in April. And if you mean "it's year 4" sure, this is his 4th NFL season coming up. Look at the production, it's increased every season. He had more learning to do than they probably realized but he's 22 years old! What 22 year old tight ends in the league currently are catching 60 balls?
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Those 2 go well after 23, and probably in the 2nd round.
And you know this because.....???
What's so abnormal about this draft? 32 prospects will be selected in the first round, some will succeed, some will fail. Was it a normal draft when Scherff and Flowers went in the top ten or was that an abnormal draft as well? How do you think Ramczyk and Robinson stack up against Scherff and Flowers coming out of school?
I have a 1st round grade on Robinson and Ramczyk (ahead of Howard, Njoku, Charlton, Reddick, and Cunningham, btw) and you don't. But who the hell are we? We won't know what the professionals think until April 27th. And the professionals don't have such a great track record to begin with.
Milton, you've always been one of my favorite posters. You remain true to your convictions and don't yield ground to the BBI chorus.
Haason Reddick.
I think everyone is overthinking this draft. Giants need to upgrade OL. Period. Our two tackles are the fatal flaw on this roster.
I'm not convinced they will go for a TE in the first let alone trade up for one.
Trade up? Possibly, but not for Howard.
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It's year four. So I'll stick with has been a disappointment. 7 TD's in three seasons for a guy touted as a red zone difference maker. #10 overall. He'll have a lot of making up to do to justify that pick for the Lions.
He's turning 23 in April. And if you mean "it's year 4" sure, this is his 4th NFL season coming up. Look at the production, it's increased every season. He had more learning to do than they probably realized but he's 22 years old! What 22 year old tight ends in the league currently are catching 60 balls?
Apply said logic to 20 yr old rookie starter, 21 yr old second year starter and 22 yr old soon to be 3rd yr starter LT Flowers, E.
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Or they'll get Leonard Floyded again.
THANK YOU CHICAGO!!!!! I for one was eternally grateful
Floyd had a great rookie season, what on Earth are you talking about?
I don't think he fits this defense, and I'm not alone.
I think Howard or Njoku are the players they would like or one of the really good LBs or CBs.
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I think the player they crave is Howard.
Eric, I think he is a generational talent a the position. A complete TE in a world where there are very few of those.
Can you elaborate why you think they crave Howard?
Emil, I think the Green Bay offense is centered around the tight end. I think the fact we haven't had a legit tight end has crippled this offense.
LOL, yeah, "don't be shocked if they trade up in the first or second round"
crazy smokescreen there. Teams will be scrambling to decode this one.
and like last year when they were like an open book with their affinity for Conklin and Floyd hopefully, if they really did like both players, they aren't as open with their thoughts.
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I think the player they crave is Howard.
Eric, I think he is a generational talent a the position. A complete TE in a world where there are very few of those.
Can you elaborate why you think they crave Howard?
Emil, I think the Green Bay offense is centered around the tight end. I think the fact we haven't had a legit tight end has crippled this offense.
Eric, don't you think it will take at least the 2nd rounder to move up to get Howard? Can't Njoku be an upgrade at TE and checks enough boxes to be the target?
I hope your're right... and i hope they make a move to get him. Offense would be unstoppable.
Haason Reddick.
Thanks for the correction professor.
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LOL, yeah, "don't be shocked if they trade up in the first or second round"
crazy smokescreen there. Teams will be scrambling to decode this one.
and like last year when they were like an open book with their affinity for Conklin and Floyd hopefully, if they really did like both players, they aren't as open with their thoughts.
Guesses from beat writers are all it takes for people to believe that the Giants were crushed or hoodwinked in the draft. According to some it happens every single time whenever the Giants can't draft someone the media has opined they want to. Have any of these claims ever been actually been validated?
I find that it's a bit too convenient to believe that the only time of the year the Giants-related media knows what's going on for sure is the most information-sensitive time of the year.
There would also be other players in the top 40-45 that could help us, depending how the draft falls. Some team or 2 is very likely to pick a guy a round early or whatever and change the dynamic of the draft.