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Njoku vs Engram

1st and 10 : 2:26 pm
I will admit I have not seen either one play, but when I read the bio they seem pretty much the same. Both are fast and athletic TE's. Draft reports say Njoku is the more willing blocker but he also has a higher drop rate.

The say Njoku is round 1 pick while Engram is mostly talked about as a round 2 guy.

What am i missing here?
I somewhat agree...but  
Emil : 2:35 pm : link
I think the only differences are, Njoku is believed to be a capable and willing blocker, while Engram is not regarded as much of a blocker. Also, I think this is a situation where scouts and pundits are in love with Njoku's upside.

I like Engram as a Jordan Reed type TE, but really only that.
Engram is a weapon  
SLIM_ : 2:44 pm : link
ideal position is slot/H-back.

Njoku has the potential to be a true 2-way tight end. Is bigger than Engram now with the frame to add 10-15 more pounds with maybe no loss in speed.
I think Engram is gonna be a beast  
but isn't a traditional TE. You can label him as a WR if you want but even if you do he has legit talent to be a dominant player at the next level. I think people need to get rid of labels especially on offensive players and just see them for what they are.
RE: I think Engram is gonna be a beast  
BleedBlue : 3:00 pm : link
In comment 13410851 robbieballs2003 said:
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but isn't a traditional TE. You can label him as a WR if you want but even if you do he has legit talent to be a dominant player at the next level. I think people need to get rid of labels especially on offensive players and just see them for what they are.



engram scares me a little...he is kinda like dustin keller if you guys remember him. I think he could be a weapon with that speed, but i rather a more traditional TE who is willing to block. njoku can def add some weight to his frame and prob become a solid blocker, that along with his play making ability he could be a great pick. if howard or rueban foster are there either is the pick, if both gone as i expect, njoku isnt a bad choice
Engram will be strictly a 'move' TE in the NFL  
Torrag : 3:06 pm : link
Njoku is raw but he's an every down two way player. That's added value and makes him the better prospect imo.
For what they actually are - Engram is a much better player  
than Njoku.

With Njoku the scouts are seeing that burly body and doing a projection to complete TE. This is probably a chimera, but hope springs eternal.

Engram has athleticism which is upper echelon even for a WR. Even a conservative plodder like McAdoo should be able to create insurmountable matchup problems for a defense with OBJ, Marshall, Shepard and Engram.

I believe the signing of Ellison makes it highly unlikely the Giants target Engram and could see him in blue only if he fell into our lap for a ridiculously low pick, which just is not going to happen with this player.
Engram doesn't  
ryanmkeane : 3:31 pm : link
really strike me as a TE. He's a great weapon in the pass game out of the slot, but he wasn't really asked to do much else at Ole Miss. He'll be a nice receiving option cause he's explosive, but he won't be able to block a lick. So essentially, he's big bodied WR.

I'll take Njoku all day over him.
What about  
1st and 10 : 3:40 pm : link
The 11% drop rate I hear about with Njoku? That scares me.
RE: Engram doesn't  
In comment 13410942 ryanmkeane said:
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really strike me as a TE. He's a great weapon in the pass game out of the slot, but he wasn't really asked to do much else at Ole Miss. He'll be a nice receiving option cause he's explosive, but he won't be able to block a lick. So essentially, he's big bodied WR.

I'll take Njoku all day over him.


Wrong. He is a capable and willing blocker. Check the Senior Bowl. He is light years ahead of Njoku in pass catching ability and route running.

Njoku is clumsy with bad hands and almost Donnell-esque. Engram ran a 4.42 40yd. dash. WTF are you people looking at to make these determinations?

Not........even...............close.
the same?  
area junc : 4:21 pm : link
c'mon now really?

Completely different football players. Njoku is a better prospect because he's bigger
the Njoku/Donnell comparison  
area junc : 4:22 pm : link
is a good one but I would describe Njoku as a "good" version of Larry Donnell.
RE: the same?  
In comment 13411076 area junc said:
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c'mon now really?

Completely different football players. Njoku is a better prospect because he's bigger


"Njoku is a better prospect because he's bigger"

Quite possibly, the dumbest shit I've read today.
RE: RE: the same?  
In comment 13411087 TheGhostofBlueGuy said:
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In comment 13411076 area junc said:


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c'mon now really?

Completely different football players. Njoku is a better prospect because he's bigger



"Njoku is a better prospect because he's bigger"

Quite possibly, the dumbest shit I've read today.


No offense.
Ghost  
ryanmkeane : 5:24 pm : link
Engrams blocked in the senior bowl? That's a nice coincidence
In his second year playing TE Njoku  
ryanmkeane : 5:28 pm : link
Had 8 touchdowns on 43 catches for 698, 16 YPC. Not bad for a guy who doesn't even probably know how to play yet.
People are acting like  
ryanmkeane : 5:30 pm : link
Njoku's projections are based purely on potential. He had a TD every 5th catch last season!
Njoku isn't a bad blocker for a college te.  
Ira : 5:31 pm : link
I think of Engram as a hybrid wr/te. His 40 time was a tick faster than Beckham's was. Gerald Everett is a pretty good two way te.
Njoku is bigger and  
jeff57 : 5:42 pm : link
Has a higher upside
The thing I like about Everett...  
Torrag : 5:45 pm : link
...is he likes the in line contact. Likes to hit guys in the run game. He's also athletic in the pass game but he needs a lot of refinement as a receiver. High ceiling guy that is a little under the radar imo.
RE: RE: Engram doesn't  
Watson : 5:58 pm : link
In comment 13411039 TheGhostofBlueGuy said:
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In comment 13410942 ryanmkeane said:


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really strike me as a TE. He's a great weapon in the pass game out of the slot, but he wasn't really asked to do much else at Ole Miss. He'll be a nice receiving option cause he's explosive, but he won't be able to block a lick. So essentially, he's big bodied WR.

I'll take Njoku all day over him.



Wrong. He is a capable and willing blocker. Check the Senior Bowl. He is light years ahead of Njoku in pass catching ability and route running.

Njoku is clumsy with bad hands and almost Donnell-esque. Engram ran a 4.42 40yd. dash. WTF are you people looking at to make these determinations?

Not........even...............close.


Not sure how you got to bad hands unless you're just looking at his drop rate over his 2 year college career. Most consider them concentration drops and most occurred in his 1st year. He's actually a good hands catcher which he demonstrated at the combine (see link),

I don't see clumsy rather more of a 20 year old who hasn't grown into his body yet. A high school national champion in the high jump doesn't match the profile of some that is clumsy.


Yes the kid is green but the potential is there. BTW he has 10" hands with a wing span of 82 1/2"

This is not intended as a knock on Engram who has the potential to be a great move TE.






Combine highlights - ( New Window )
Njoku is a young, superior athlete with major upside  
Rjanyg : 6:06 pm : link
Many think he can add 10 lbs and not lose any speed. He killed he combine and did better at his proday.

Engram is very good but to me the TE's rank:
1. Howard
2. Njoku
3. Engram
Njoku / Engram  
stretch234 : 6:34 pm : link
I am not spending the 23rd pick on either.

Again, with the offense the Giants play, with the priority of 3 WR, would you really want to spend the 23rd pick on a TE when you can find an effective player 60 picks later.

A 'willing' blocker is a fancy way of saying he is a bad blocker


RE: Njoku / Engram  
Rory : 8:14 pm : link
In comment 13411240 stretch234 said:
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I am not spending the 23rd pick on either.

Again, with the offense the Giants play, with the priority of 3 WR, would you really want to spend the 23rd pick on a TE when you can find an effective player 60 picks later.

A 'willing' blocker is a fancy way of saying he is a bad blocker



completely disagree. Eli needs a effective 2 way TE as a safety valve in his offense. It gives him more comfort in the pocket.

Also that TE will help open up the crossing routes for the WR's.
One can get an effective TE at less than a first round draft pick  
The issue is the reluctance to devote any serious resources to the position until free agency, which I still find a bit odd in their choice of guys to sign. But we'll see. It doesn't have to be Njoku. There are a number of solid TEs in this draft flying under the radar.

Hunter Henry would have been such a nice pick last year.
RE: RE: the same?  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/30/2017 6:32 am : link
In comment 13411087 TheGhostofBlueGuy said:
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c'mon now really?

Completely different football players. Njoku is a better prospect because he's bigger



"Njoku is a better prospect because he's bigger"

Quite possibly, the dumbest shit I've read today.

You should try reading your own posts then.
Njoku ran a 4.49 at his pro day  
jeff57 : 3/30/2017 8:04 am : link
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Many of the 40 times at the Miami Pro Day  
Ira : 3/31/2017 7:05 pm : link
seem kind of fast.
I'd be very happy with either.  
732NYG : 3/31/2017 7:48 pm : link
I like Njoku's size and apparent willingness to block more, but I think either would be a big weapon for us.
RE: Many of the 40 times at the Miami Pro Day  
Watson : 3/31/2017 8:03 pm : link
In comment 13413572 Ira said:
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seem kind of fast.


True. But he also posted a 40" vertical beating his combine 38".
RE: I think Engram is gonna be a beast  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/31/2017 8:25 pm : link
In comment 13410851 robbieballs2003 said:
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but isn't a traditional TE. You can label him as a WR if you want but even if you do he has legit talent to be a dominant player at the next level. I think people need to get rid of labels especially on offensive players and just see them for what they are.


To me the benefit of a kid le him is can/will replace Marshall in year or two if needed. Depends on what you are willing to do scheme wise. It saying he should be the pick but it's about using players to their abilities. It shoving them into a scheme
RE: I think Engram is gonna be a beast  
Klaatu : 4/1/2017 12:45 pm : link
In comment 13410851 robbieballs2003 said:
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but isn't a traditional TE. You can label him as a WR if you want but even if you do he has legit talent to be a dominant player at the next level. I think people need to get rid of labels especially on offensive players and just see them for what they are.


robbie, I've made that same point about Engram many times. If we were talking about a WR who's 6-3, 234, with 33 1/2-inch arms and ten inch hands...who ran a 4.42 at the Combine with a 36-inch vert and a 6.92 3-cone, no one would complain if the Giants drafted him at #23. But call him a TE and all bets are off.
I like Adams more than both  
PatersonPlank : 4/1/2017 12:49 pm : link
Give him the job.
Ellison is the blocking TE  
annexOPR : 4/1/2017 12:49 pm : link
no rookie is going to come in and steal that role anytime soon.

Gimme the freak o' nature down the seam to officially make this passing game unfair / impossible to stop. Giants currently have the equivalent of Spiderman @ WR with Marshall/Shepard as compliments

a threat @ TE - especially in Mcadoo's system - I honestly don't know how coordinators would prepare to stop this offense.
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