NFT: 3/29: Yankees chat

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I am a shit stirrer, not a bullshitter, I did forget he was in the minors at 17 and 18 though. LOL. No offense to you, only playing my part and doing my job. LOL.

HA! Fair enough.

I was just wondering why he's left out of all the SS conversations, he was a 1st round pick and is playing great. I just read they called him up to the major camp this past Sunday.

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In comment 13411126 NJ_GIANTS said: Quote: I thought they said he was a major league ready defensive SS when they drafted him out of college? Left season in minors he was raved about? Haven't heard a thing about him since last fall. Actually did very well at Low A. Didn't hit for power but hit .290 on the season (.331 in the second half) and had a solid contact tool. Rave reviews for the glove, considered one of the best SS gloves in all of minor league baseball. Will probably be at High A this year.

If they want a big time prospect, Manny Machado is the one. Harper just irks me. If he does well this year, I might change my mind.

Cannot believe Judge will go down. Who stays? Ellsbury, Gardner, Hicks and ???. Judge stays. Austin still on DL. McKinney, Fowler and Frazier have been sent down. Keep Kozma as IF/OF until Didi returns??? I'm drawing a blank on the 4th OF?

Even if Judge goes down, he'll be back by May, latest. Ellsbury should be on DL by then.

with a serviceable bat. But Torres and a couple other SS prospects - and Didi for that matter - may prevent him from doing so in a Yankee uniform. It's a nice problem to have.

In comment 13411030 Victor in CT said:

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In comment 13411023 PaulN said: Quote: 85 wins would be GREAT. I don't care about the wins though, I want to see Torres play everyday. I get making him play in AA and AAA to prove himself there first, I am not making a big deal of it, I am only saying what CASHMAN said, he said on TV, on the YES network, that EVERYONE wanted Torres here, go argue with them, okay, not me. I am only telling you what Cashman said. I thought, in my opinion, that Torres is ready. Okay, that is my opinion, but it's not a huge deal for him to start out in the minors, I am afraid they will start to trade these prospects for a guy like Quintana, and Frazier is the guy that would go, you okay with that since we will add the right fielder from Washington? I am not. I don't want him, I want to play the kids we have. After 3 years then decide who is expandable, not now. I definitely DON"T want Harper. 1 big year in 5 and a doosh. Mike Trout he is not.

If the top young talent on this team gels, Harper would be an expensive luxury that the team wouldn't need. The team currently has Sanchez, Judge, Bird, Torres that should make up the core for years to come. Behind them they have Frazier, Rutherford, Mateo, and McKinney that could all be very productive major leaguers for a long time. You could keep most of these guys for the money it would take to get Harper.

In comment 13411122 PaulN said:

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No, it's not a setback, it's the approach they always take. LOL. I would rather keep Frazier and see what he becomes. You will need to pay him 30 mil per to sign him. he gets hurt bad once, and that could screw the pooch. I don't like it at all. Nope. I believe the new era will be almost like the old days, building teams from within. It's too expensive any other way, it's more like football now. It's actually heading in that direction.

But it's not. Trading for a Quintana bucks a lot of the old Yankee ways in that he is still only a 28 year old pitcher with 3+ seasons of team control left.

You can make the injury point about literally any free agent signing, any. If Mike Trout were to become a FA, and we signed him to the big bucks and he gets hurt, guess what we're screwed in the same way. That is a blanket statement that can be applied to any FA signing.

The old days, you say. Go back to the late 90's-early 00's dynasty days. Skim through our top 10 guys by WAR each year and how many were FA signings/trades. It's just a fact that you can't keep all of your homegrown players, can't. You try and pick the best long term keepers, and supplement the team in FA and trades.
1996- Top 10 from Elsewhere w/ WAR Rating on Team:
#4- Paul O'Neill
#5- Kenny Rogers
#6- Wade Boggs
#8- Jimmy Key
#9- David Cone
#10- Mariano Duncan

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2- O'Neill
3- Brosius
5- Wells
6- Cone
8- Tino

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3- Cone
6- Knoblauch
7- Clemens
8- O'Neill
10- Tino

00:
4- Clemens
6- Justice
9- Nelson

01:
1- Mussina
2- Clemens
8- Stanton
9- Tino
10- Brosius

Yes, we have the makings of another great core, but getting a young SP like a Quintana is the sort of move that a team with this depth of prospects can make. Still in the farm at OF with major league potential are guys like Fowler, Rutherford, with Judge here at the doorstep. Simply can't keep all the young kids. Another conversation if you're a believer in Quintana or not, but I'm not going to go there. Just that he fits the bill of a player to target.

Who is arguing all that. Okay he has 3 years of eligibility, that is a huge positive along with his low salary, I know all this. It is a typical Yankee move though. But I agree they will not keep all the prospects, but I am telling you this, you can't operate like we did back in the late 90's buddy.

The new collective bargaining agreement is almost like a hard cap now, think about football, most the team is made up of homegrown prospects from the draft, trades are far a few between, you use free agency very carefully, sometimes to put your self over the top, sometimes to full positions cheap. This is the future of baseball manning.

It is heading in that direction. So in my view to be successful moving forward you will need to have most of your team made up of young players within the first 6 years of eligibility, or you will have a hard time to field a team within the cap, this is exactly where baseball is headed.

Will cost 30 mil per and a minimum of 8 years. The yanks must stay away from that, it is how they will screw everything up. Quintana is not going to screw anything up at all, only what prospects you give up, that I will say to you. I don't want to give up Frazier, I would give up Judge before I would give up Frazier.

Is so valuable because he has 3 years more and his contract is so reasonable. But that does not mean he will continue to be happy if he came here and won 16 games. Then it all changes.

In comment 13411174 PaulN said:

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Will cost 30 mil per and a minimum of 8 years. The yanks must stay away from that, it is how they will screw everything up. Quintana is not going to screw anything up at all, only what prospects you give up, that I will say to you. I don't want to give up Frazier, I would give up Judge before I would give up Frazier.

Agree the Ball screams when it comes off Fraizer's bat. You can see a 25-30 HR guy in the bigs when he fills in.

Is not that good. He is a 3rd starter, no better, he has won 10 games once, his ERA is good, no doubt, and he is a lefty, but he is looked at as so valuable because of his contract more then anything. I don't really want to give up a top prospect for a mediocre pitcher just because he is locked up for three more years under a nice contract. I hope to have a third starter that is young, under control, and can give me numbers like that, yes, no doubt he is an ideal number 3. But I'm going to give up Frazier's potential for that. No way in the world.
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a team that say in 2 years features:
Fowler- CF
Judge/Harper- Corner OF
Andujar- 3B
Torres- SS
Didi- 2B
Bird- 1B
Sanchez- C

Not fit that bill. Granted I'm higher on Andujar than most, but that right there would be a team of 6 home grown starting position players of 8. How many teams in the majors today boast that? Just as you said that is a team made of of a majority of homegrown talent. We also have to accept right now that we may not even hit on half of these prospects. That's why they're just that, prospects.

Add in pitchers like:
Betances
Montgomrey
Severino
Adams
Mitchell/Greene

And no doubt I'd trade Judge over Frazier at this point. I'm sure most fans would. There's a reason talks for Quintana start at Frazier and not Judge. Quintana is that valuable for what he is. Look at what our very own relievers fetched in the trade market. Look at the Adam Eaton trade, the Sale trade, you're going to trade prospects.

I'm not discounting Frazier at all, certainly not. But our team needs are starting pitching currently AND in the future, and we have a glut of prospects, it's just smart management to trade from strength to fill weakness, and Quintana would certainly be a player to target as his age/contract are both extremely team friendly. They're not going to accept a package around Judge and middling prospects that you don't like. If Tanaka opts out next year and goes elsewhere what exactly do we have to go along with these stud position player prospects in the rotation?

So either we pay for a high end position player, or for a high end starter? Which side do you fall on? An 8 year deal for Harper at 26 years old, or a similar deal in length for a pitcher?

In comment 13411185 PaulN said:

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Is not that good. He is a 3rd starter, no better, he has won 10 games once, his ERA is good, no doubt, and he is a lefty, but he is looked at as so valuable because of his contract more then anything. I don't really want to give up a top prospect for a mediocre pitcher just because he is locked up for three more years under a nice contract. I hope to have a third starter that is young, under control, and can give me numbers like that, yes, no doubt he is an ideal number 3. But I'm going to give up Frazier's potential for that. No way in the world. Link - ( New Window )

I know his numbers. You seem like one of the people who look at a football team's wins and judge the play of the QB solely on that. His ERA is stellar, his WHIP is stellar, and he has no major injury concerns.

Of course his wins are low, the White Sox haven't been good since 2012, before he entered the league. They've finished 4th in central for 3 straight years, and last the year before that.

Felix Hernandez eclipsed 15 wins 3 times in his 12 year career, am I to believe he's not a good pitcher because of that? Before last year's 17 win season Chris Sale had 13-12-11 wins in order, is he not good? Tanaka has 14-13-12 wins in his 3 years with the Yanks..A child would quote the wins and use that as the end all-be all. Quintana's not on their level but you quoting his wins and calling him a #3 pitcher off that is simply wrong.

In comment 13411187 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:

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a team that say in 2 years features: Fowler- CF Judge/Harper- Corner OF Andujar- 3B Torres- SS Didi- 2B Bird- 1B Sanchez- C Not fit that bill. Granted I'm higher on Andujar than most, but that right there would be a team of 6 home grown starting position players of 8. How many teams in the majors today boast that? Just as you said that is a team made of of a majority of homegrown talent. We also have to accept right now that we may not even hit on half of these prospects. That's why they're just that, prospects. Add in pitchers like: Betances Montgomrey Severino Adams Mitchell/Greene And no doubt I'd trade Judge over Frazier at this point. I'm sure most fans would. There's a reason talks for Quintana start at Frazier and not Judge. Quintana is that valuable for what he is. Look at what our very own relievers fetched in the trade market. Look at the Adam Eaton trade, the Sale trade, you're going to trade prospects. I'm not discounting Frazier at all, certainly not. But our team needs are starting pitching currently AND in the future, and we have a glut of prospects, it's just smart management to trade from strength to fill weakness, and Quintana would certainly be a player to target as his age/contract are both extremely team friendly. They're not going to accept a package around Judge and middling prospects that you don't like. If Tanaka opts out next year and goes elsewhere what exactly do we have to go along with these stud position player prospects in the rotation? So either we pay for a high end position player, or for a high end starter? Which side do you fall on? An 8 year deal for Harper at 26 years old, or a similar deal in length for a pitcher?

No to Harper. Too much money and not enough production.

That's a fireable offense

and that makes me wonder if going after Harper even makes sense.

Keep in mind, that the best outfielder in the minors is likely Rutherford. The kid is unbelievable.

I would be happier to see the Yanks court Machado over Harper and go all in on Shohei Ohtani. If you break the bank for Harper, who do you get rid of to make room for him?

Outfield: Frazier, Rutherford, and Judge (with Hicks, Fowler, McKinney, Jake Cave, even Mateo available and wanting a spot in the lineup)

Infield: of Bird, Torres, Didi, Machado, (with Mateo also available)

Catcher: Sanchez

That is an explosive hard hitting lineup in there that will be deserving a cool nickname.

In comment 13411213 mavric said:

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and that makes me wonder if going after Harper even makes sense. Keep in mind, that the best outfielder in the minors is likely Rutherford. The kid is unbelievable. I would be happier to see the Yanks court Machado over Harper and go all in on Shohei Ohtani. If you break the bank for Harper, who do you get rid of to make room for him? Outfield: Frazier, Rutherford, and Judge (with Hicks, Fowler, McKinney, Jake Cave, even Mateo available and wanting a spot in the lineup) Infield: of Bird, Torres, Didi, Machado, (with Mateo also available) Catcher: Sanchez That is an explosive hard hitting lineup in there that will be deserving a cool nickname.

I agree here. I'd much rather break the bank on Machado, over Harper. I'm just connecting the dots on some reports that have come out recently, and the team's known interest in Quintana, and what realisitcally it would take to get him.

On a below market deal. The going rate for that is quite high. The problem is that in NYS his HR rate is likely going to be quite high, and so fo the Yanks I don't think it's good value. A strikeout pitcher or a GB pitcher maybe, but a fly ball pitcher at YS is likely to have problems. Good pitcher, bad fit (at least at that price).

In comment 13411271 Dunedin81 said:

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On a below market deal. The going rate for that is quite high. The problem is that in NYS his HR rate is likely going to be quite high, and so fo the Yanks I don't think it's good value. A strikeout pitcher or a GB pitcher maybe, but a fly ball pitcher at YS is likely to have problems. Good pitcher, bad fit (at least at that price).

Good point...

why would they keep Montgomery out of this year's starting five? He had another very impressive outing today, 1 run in 5 innings with 4 k's. Who out of the choices for the 4 and 5 slots are pitching better?

I would rather have Severino in AAA working out the kinks. The other choices don't excite me.

not at the current ask. Someone else can overpay.

Go full on millennial movement.

Surprised he is not much higher on prospect lists ...

In comment 13410944 Del Shofner said:

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I agree with you Paul, except as to Wade. There is a downside related to the 40-man roster, which is a real issue for the Yanks right now. Didi's only out a month, I am OK with Torreyes handling it until he's back.

Ditto this.

I have been adamant on two things. Judge should be in RE every day because he actually has a ceiling get and he's already improved his game. Hicks is not going to get any better. For all the marvel at his arm, it is often overlooked that he is not much more than an average defensive OF.

The other is Montgomery should be the 5th starter. Whether that guy is named now or in a month, there is no evidence to name anyone else. Of all the candidates for the 4th and 5th spots, he's the only one who earned a spot with his pitching. If anything Severino, who I happen to like, keeps proving he is destined for the pen.

In comment 13411072 Greg from LI said:

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The problem with that is their trade value tanks at that point once a slow start to the career takes off some of that top prospect shine. Give you an example - Paul Konerko. When he was 21 years old, Konerko was BA's #2 prospect in all of baseball. He absolutely destroyed minor league pitching, hitting .304/.399/.545 with 30 homers between AA and AAA. He struggled mightily over two season with the Dodgers, hitting only .212 with 4 homers. The Dodgers ended up trading him (and Dennis Reyes) for....Jeff Shaw. That's it. A good reliever is all Konerko fetched after falling flat on his face.

I agree, but the other alternative is to keep trading prospects before they even get a shot. That's how the Yankee dynasty crumbled in the 80s and again after 2000. You want Hicks to play everyday? Then you trade Gardner for whatever you can get and play Hicks and Judge. Ideally they trade Ells bury and eat a shit load of the contract. But that doesn't seem likely. Someone would take him if the Yankees ate $10-$15M of his annual salary.

In comment 13411451 Matt M. said:

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In comment 13411072 Greg from LI said: Quote: The problem with that is their trade value tanks at that point once a slow start to the career takes off some of that top prospect shine. Give you an example - Paul Konerko. When he was 21 years old, Konerko was BA's #2 prospect in all of baseball. He absolutely destroyed minor league pitching, hitting .304/.399/.545 with 30 homers between AA and AAA. He struggled mightily over two season with the Dodgers, hitting only .212 with 4 homers. The Dodgers ended up trading him (and Dennis Reyes) for....Jeff Shaw. That's it. A good reliever is all Konerko fetched after falling flat on his face. I agree, but the other alternative is to keep trading prospects before they even get a shot. That's how the Yankee dynasty crumbled in the 80s and again after 2000. You want Hicks to play everyday? Then you trade Gardner for whatever you can get and play Hicks and Judge. Ideally they trade Ells bury and eat a shit load of the contract. But that doesn't seem likely. Someone would take him if the Yankees ate $10-$15M of his annual salary.

The alternative is to give them prolonged looks. Whether we think him deserving or not, that's what they're doing with Aaron Hicks. Ordinarily you can do that in onesies and twosies if you've got a deep lineup, but it had been more difficult for the Yanks to swallow when they were a high-80's win team every year and the difference between being a .500 team and being a WC team could come down to whether a particular player was hitting or not. Right now they seem willing to do that with a number of spots in the lineup. Hopefully Judge will get that shot beginning early this year.

In comment 13411351 manh george said:

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why would they keep Montgomery out of this year's starting five? He had another very impressive outing today, 1 run in 5 innings with 4 k's. Who out of the choices for the 4 and 5 slots are pitching better? I would rather have Severino in AAA working out the kinks. The other choices don't excite me.

I agree, but I'm not a pitching coach with years of experience. The professionals in the pro-coaching world seem to understand how to bring up young pitchers without ruining their arm. I suspect it is based on decades of real life experience and watching phenoms flame out early because their bodies weren't ready for the grueling nature of the majors. I expect to see both Kap and Montgomery being brought in slowly, but not thrown in with a "sink or swim" attitude. They have the gift and it's up to the coaches to get them ready for prime time. And they will, but we must exercise patience and trust the coaches that they know what they are doing. The young pitchers have the physical tools, but there's a lot of mental tools that need more honing. As they say, "there's a difference between throwing and pitching". Pitching is about taking advantage of individual batters' weaknesses and letting the ball get hit for an out rather than trying to strike out every batter that steps into the box

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riding dirty with Mr. Delicious (Greg Bird's hideous cat is a social media sensation). Link - ( New Window )

That is an ugly cat for sure. Is Bird driving in England or is the video flipped with a mirror or something?

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Looks very much like Severino is the fourth starter. Mitchell to pitch in relief in Atlanta tomorrow. #Yankees

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riding dirty with Mr. Delicious (Greg Bird's hideous cat is a social media sensation). Link - ( New Window )

look what happened to Mr. Bigglesworth

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Brendan KutyþVerified account @BrendanKutyNJ Following More Looks very much like Severino is the fourth starter. Mitchell to pitch in relief in Atlanta tomorrow. #Yankees

Finally- the Yanks giving a struggling young player a chance to develop! Sure, he can be a light out reliever- maybe even a closer- but he is infinitely more valuable if he is a SP.

Yes, he still struggles with his off-speed stuff- and yes, his command is not very good. However, these are things that can be developed with effort, time and chances. Working with Pedro this winter was a good step on the first- the burden is on the Yanks to give him the next two.

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Brendan KutyþVerified account @BrendanKutyNJ Following More Looks very much like Severino is the fourth starter. Mitchell to pitch in relief in Atlanta tomorrow. #Yankees

Good luck with that. Hopefully he comes close to 2015. I just hope he doesn't implode like last year (or get pounded).

where yo have to stop babying these guys and see what they can do.

at the risk of repating myself, the bigest roster problem the Yankees have is Elssbury and that f'ing ridiculous contract. You move that tumor out and then you have no problem keeping Judge and Hicks.

THere is always the possibility that Ellsbury gets hurt thoough. He e only missed 14 last year, so he's due for an extended stint if he follows his usual every other year pattern of missing significant time.

In comment 13411603 Victor in CT said:

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where yo have to stop babying these guys and see what they can do. at the risk of repating myself, the bigest roster problem the Yankees have is Elssbury and that f'ing ridiculous contract. You move that tumor out and then you have no problem keeping Judge and Hicks. THere is always the possibility that Ellsbury gets hurt thoough. He e only missed 14 last year, so he's due for an extended stint if he follows his usual every other year pattern of missing significant time.

The trouble with Ellsbury usually isn't games missed, but how he's regularly banged up but still playing at far less than 100%

Every season, he usually has a 4-6 week stretch where he's healthy and gets hot and shows signs of being a good .300 hitter with speed on the bases...but then some nagging injury comes up and he fades back to mediocrity

Why can't the ducking Fodgers bail us out of that deal like they did for the Red Sox

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In comment 13410944 Del Shofner said: Quote: I agree with you Paul, except as to Wade. There is a downside related to the 40-man roster, which is a real issue for the Yanks right now. Didi's only out a month, I am OK with Torreyes handling it until he's back. Ditto this. I have been adamant on two things. Judge should be in RE every day because he actually has a ceiling get and he's already improved his game. Hicks is not going to get any better. For all the marvel at his arm, it is often overlooked that he is not much more than an average defensive OF. The other is Montgomery should be the 5th starter. Whether that guy is named now or in a month, there is no evidence to name anyone else. Of all the candidates for the 4th and 5th spots, he's the only one who earned a spot with his pitching. If anything Severino, who I happen to like, keeps proving he is destined for the pen.

There is no rush- or even need- to name a 5th SP now- or even for most of April.

Remember that Cashman has been firm in stating that the Yanks do not even need a 5th SP until April 16- about 2 weeks into the season.

The best course of action would be to put both Mitchell and Warren in pen for now. Both can be and have demonstrated success in the long-man role- which is a necessary one in April until the SP get fully stretched out. Having TWO long man is a luxury few teams have- and would prevent Girardi from burning out his pen with overuse- just put let one of these two guys take 2-3 innings at a time- and split them over 4-5 days a week- and your bullpen is saved in April.

Send Green, Montgomery and all other SP with options back to AAA to let them work. Why have them sit in the pen and lose valuable reps for two weeks or more?

Come April 16- the Yanks can pick and choose who they want to start- Who has is pitching the best to that point? What is on their 5th day in the rotation? Who is on the 40 and who isn't?

In fact, the Yanks could simply use several of the SP in AAA as their 5th SP in April until they decide who is the best fit.

My feeling is that when May rolls around, Montgomery would probably be in the best position to take the 5th SP spot- but sometimes young players don't react well to demotions when they do well enough to take a ML spot. This might be a good test of his mental toughness.

In comment 13411603 Victor in CT said:

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where yo have to stop babying these guys and see what they can do. at the risk of repating myself, the bigest roster problem the Yankees have is Elssbury and that f'ing ridiculous contract. You move that tumor out and then you have no problem keeping Judge and Hicks. THere is always the possibility that Ellsbury gets hurt thoough. He e only missed 14 last year, so he's due for an extended stint if he follows his usual every other year pattern of missing significant time.

I think 99.9% of Yankees fans agree on Ellsbury. But even with him here, there is room for Hicks and Judge. They need 4 OFs and Cashman said he'd prefer 4 guys getting 450 BA as opposed to 3 guys with 600 so there is something left in the tank in September and October.

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In comment 13411603 Victor in CT said: Quote: where yo have to stop babying these guys and see what they can do. at the risk of repating myself, the bigest roster problem the Yankees have is Elssbury and that f'ing ridiculous contract. You move that tumor out and then you have no problem keeping Judge and Hicks. THere is always the possibility that Ellsbury gets hurt thoough. He e only missed 14 last year, so he's due for an extended stint if he follows his usual every other year pattern of missing significant time. The trouble with Ellsbury usually isn't games missed, but how he's regularly banged up but still playing at far less than 100% Every season, he usually has a 4-6 week stretch where he's healthy and gets hot and shows signs of being a good .300 hitter with speed on the bases...but then some nagging injury comes up and he fades back to mediocrity Why can't the ducking Fodgers bail us out of that deal like they did for the Red Sox

The bigger problem with Ellsbury is that even if the Yanks ate a bunch of that contract, he simply is not tradeable until the off-season. No team (except maybe the Dodgers) can add an unanticipated $10-20M+ to their payroll at this point in the year. Many teams set their budget in October, and when they go to Spring Training, they have more or less used that budget- with a little room for tinkering if a cheap player comes along.

In fact, even at the deadline- unless the Yanks take on all of Ellsbury's remaining contract this season- it would still be difficult for most clubs to take on about $8M at that point in the season.

I suspect that the Yanks plan is to trade Gardner at the trade deadline in July to open up one spot- and then if 2 OF force their way to NY in 2017, the Yanks will trade Ellsbury in the winter. Yes- the Yanks will likely have to eat about $10M annually on that remaining deal- but the idea is to let the young guys with upside play.

In comment 13411621 rich in DC said:

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In comment 13411612 mfsd said: Quote: In comment 13411603 Victor in CT said: Quote: where yo have to stop babying these guys and see what they can do. at the risk of repating myself, the bigest roster problem the Yankees have is Elssbury and that f'ing ridiculous contract. You move that tumor out and then you have no problem keeping Judge and Hicks. THere is always the possibility that Ellsbury gets hurt thoough. He e only missed 14 last year, so he's due for an extended stint if he follows his usual every other year pattern of missing significant time. The trouble with Ellsbury usually isn't games missed, but how he's regularly banged up but still playing at far less than 100% Every season, he usually has a 4-6 week stretch where he's healthy and gets hot and shows signs of being a good .300 hitter with speed on the bases...but then some nagging injury comes up and he fades back to mediocrity Why can't the ducking Fodgers bail us out of that deal like they did for the Red Sox The bigger problem with Ellsbury is that even if the Yanks ate a bunch of that contract, he simply is not tradeable until the off-season. No team (except maybe the Dodgers) can add an unanticipated $10-20M+ to their payroll at this point in the year. Many teams set their budget in October, and when they go to Spring Training, they have more or less used that budget- with a little room for tinkering if a cheap player comes along. In fact, even at the deadline- unless the Yanks take on all of Ellsbury's remaining contract this season- it would still be difficult for most clubs to take on about $8M at that point in the season. I suspect that the Yanks plan is to trade Gardner at the trade deadline in July to open up one spot- and then if 2 OF force their way to NY in 2017, the Yanks will trade Ellsbury in the winter. Yes- the Yanks will likely have to eat about $10M annually on that remaining deal- but the idea is to let the young guys with upside play.

And with CC and ARod's $$ coming off the books after this season, eating $10 million for 3 more years of the Ellsbury deal is more palatable.

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In comment 13411603 Victor in CT said: Quote: where yo have to stop babying these guys and see what they can do. at the risk of repating myself, the bigest roster problem the Yankees have is Elssbury and that f'ing ridiculous contract. You move that tumor out and then you have no problem keeping Judge and Hicks. THere is always the possibility that Ellsbury gets hurt thoough. He e only missed 14 last year, so he's due for an extended stint if he follows his usual every other year pattern of missing significant time. I think 99.9% of Yankees fans agree on Ellsbury. But even with him here, there is room for Hicks and Judge. They need 4 OFs and Cashman said he'd prefer 4 guys getting 450 BA as opposed to 3 guys with 600 so there is something left in the tank in September and October.

maybe with Refsnyder sent down already. Or trade Gardner.

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Luis Severino is the Yankees fourth starter. Holder, Mitchell, Shreve in bullpen. Aaron Judge is Opening Day right fielder.

Phew! Don't understand why this was even a topic...

In comment 13411661 Dunedin81 said:

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Bryan HochþVerified account @BryanHoch Following More Luis Severino is the Yankees fourth starter. Holder, Mitchell, Shreve in bullpen. Aaron Judge is Opening Day right fielder.

Good for Holder. Mitchell is the #5 then. Shreve survives another cut until he poops the bed later this year and is replaced by one of the young guys.

In comment 13411662 Don Draper said:

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Phew! Don't understand why this was even a topic...

because Girardi threw it out there out the Francesa show on Tuesday. I guess he had to be told from above that Judge is the guy. Hal made it pretty clear over the winter that he wanted Judge in RF.

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In comment 13411661 Dunedin81 said: Quote: Bryan HochþVerified account @BryanHoch Following More Luis Severino is the Yankees fourth starter. Holder, Mitchell, Shreve in bullpen. Aaron Judge is Opening Day right fielder. Good for Holder. Mitchell is the #5 then. Shreve survives another cut until he poops the bed later this year and is replaced by one of the young guys.

Shreve's big advantage is that he's a southpaw. We haven't developed a ton of quality lefty relief candidates. Maybe someone like Enns, maybe Caleb Smith (just returned by the Cubbies after the Rule 5), will emerge, but for now we have an abundance of RHRP prospects and a dearth of LHRP prospects.

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Chad Green will go to Double-A so he can start 4/6 and 4/11. Jordan Montgomery will start the same days at Triple-A.

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We haven't developed a ton of quality lefty relief candidates. Maybe someone like Enns, maybe Caleb Smith (just returned by the Cubbies after the Rule 5), will emerge, but for now we have an abundance of RHRP prospects and a dearth of LHRP prospects.

I was disappointed in Enn's pitching this Spring. I had much higher expectations. I don't think he fits in a hard relief role as he doesn't blow people away. He seems like a fit for a long relief when a starter just doesn't have his mojo in the first couple of innings. Not sure where his future lies beyond a stud AAA pitcher who gets batters to hit into outs.