A couple of tidbits from recent reportings:
1. Joe G. hinted today that Judge may be sent down to AAA to get more at bats. I personally hope that doesn’t happen. Judge has had an excellent spring, cut down on his strike outs, and has nothing left to prove at AAA. He has basically done everything the team has asked of him.
2. A few of talking heads have been speculating that with the log jam in the outfield, the team will package Frazier and Mateo to get Quintana from the ChiSox. I’m not a fan of this trade. True there is a log jam in the outfield (and the team needs more SP), but that is because the team can’t dump Ellsbury and Gardner; both of which were outplayed by Frazier this spring. Frazier may become something special, I would rather the team move Gardner and let Hicks play LF until Frazier is ready.
Montgomery pitched 5 innings, struck out 4, gave up 6 hits, 1 BB, and 1 earned run.
Joe says he isn't planning on having 5 starters on team when season begins and will bring up a 5th starter a couple weeks into the season.
Hard decisions to be made soon.
I also think Frasier can and will be a big part of this team in the future, I wouldn't trade him.
Hope that Kaprelain is ready by the All Star break.
Trading those guys now before we know how the season plays out would be irresponsibly dumb.
IF and ONLY IF they turn out to be a real contender by the trade deadline, then you think about trading a few prospects for a starter like Quintana.
I actually don't believe it either. Especially since Hal has said he'd like to see Judge start in RF.
I would have wade starting at short to start the season, let Torreyes be the guy he is going to be anyway, what is the fucking harm! Judge would be my right fielder and I would platoon Hicks to play all positions and all players can get plenty of at bats, it's the only way you have a shot to get some homers out of the outfield, let Judge see major league hitters regularly from the outset.
Not doing these things just makes me not trust this organization more. It makes me think they are up to old tricks, trying to trade for veteran sure shot players, as they think they are sure shots, rather then go through the pains of a player growing up.
It's Okay though to watch two pieces of shit in Ellsbury and Headley everyday though! Why? Just because you spent the money on them? They made a horrendous decision the day they let Cano walk. it was a disgrace. He should be a Yankee, not Ellsbury and Beltran is gone, he was the other guy in Cashman's master plan of Ellsbury and Beltran being better money spent then Cano.
If they have not got it into their heads that the only way to make a team great and sustain it is by building through the minor league system, then they will never get it.
And, as someone said, we need a 4th OF, and Hicks plays a good OF.
(If it were me I'd trade Gardner for whatever I could get and not have to worry about this, but I guess the offers have been at "give him away" prices.)
And Montgomery is going to be sent down, that's fine. The issue will be if he's not recalled to make the first start a 5th starter needs to make, probably 4/16.
I think you are missing two things, points that have been made by more knowledgeable fans than me on here:
1. Wade has never played above AA and it's not clear that he's ready for MLB (unlike Judge); and
2. Putting Wade on the 40-man means relinquishing rights to a player that the Yanks want to keep.
Another shoe has to drop before Wade comes up.
Not specifically. There's Rule 5 and then (I think) the fact that anyone cut from the 40-man has to clear waivers and you're likely to lose him.
Anyway, Cashman is on with Francesa now:
- Torreyes at SS. Said he didn't want to push Wade. They are impressed and excited with him, but he shouldn't get thrown into the deep end.
- RF- They are going to meet today when he gets back. They will announce tomorrow the starter. Said it's been a really good race. Hicks will make the roster no matter what.
I didn't say otherwise.
Anyway, Cashman is on with Francesa now:
- Torreyes at SS. Said he didn't want to push Wade. They are impressed and excited with him, but he shouldn't get thrown into the deep end.
- RF- They are going to meet today when he gets back. They will announce tomorrow the starter. Said it's been a really good race. Hicks will make the roster no matter what.
I meant rush* not push for Wade.
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We're talking about a 20 year old kid that hasn't played AAA. I hope he tears the cover off the ball, but I still wouldn't want him up as TEAM CONTROL is still vital to a player of this caliber.
What is your honest opinion of this team's upside? I think most people would be pleased with an 85 win season? We're not ready to be one of the AL elite yet, and with that we should be grooming these kids for the future, when this next wave is ready to graduate.
Didi is out for a month and you're already torturing Cashman, a MONTH. Keep the rebuild moving in the right direction and let's not rush the kids. It's exactly what Cashman said he regretted in his long (and great), interview that was posted on here last week. Bringing up the kids and stunting their development. Consensus top prospect Moncada was just optioned down to AAA in Chicago...Again, the proper move on their part. Don't rush.
I need to understand the rule 5 better, that is what I am missing, I know what it is generally, but don't know the specifics. Plus there is an expansion draft and players, good players, are going to get exposed, I know that is also a part of this, but again, I don't fully understand the rules there either.
I just want to see the young players, I enjoy that more then anything. I want to see Judge everyday, we are all sick of seeing Headley and Ellsbury, we know we are stuck with him, but I was hoping that Cashman could work out a deal to get Headley out of here. I like Gardner, but him and Ellsbury are one too many. Gardner could be moved at least, Ellsbury never.
-Open to listen to offers on anyone except Sanchez pretty much.
-Org still believes in Severino
-Sheffield and Chance Adams get a name drop. Said Kaep is in the same territory as Torres. Polished player and a fast mover. The ML Camp loved Sheffield.
-Was asked if he thinks this is a .500 team. Said that if they don't go .500 something went seriously wrong or someone got hurt.
I definitely DON"T want Harper. 1 big year in 5 and a doosh. Mike Trout he is not.
Looking at stars who made their MLB debuts at Torres' age or younger.....Mike freaking Trout didn't do it. Bryce Harper didn't do it - he didn't play many minor league games, but he played a few in AA-AAA. Miguel Cabrera didn't do it. Giancarlo Stanton didn't do it. Carlos Correa didn't do it. Gary Sheffield didn't do it. Andruw Jones didn't do it. Ken Griffey Jr. didn't do it.
So far, I've found one - Robin Yount in 1974, and I think it's a wee bit presumptuous to assume that Torres will be on Yount's level.
With 2 years / $24m left, I think now would be an outstanding time to eat ~$10m and trade Gardner for either SP prospects or long bullpen help.
Looking at stars who made their MLB debuts at Torres' age or younger.....Mike freaking Trout didn't do it. Bryce Harper didn't do it - he didn't play many minor league games, but he played a few in AA-AAA. Miguel Cabrera didn't do it. Giancarlo Stanton didn't do it. Carlos Correa didn't do it. Gary Sheffield didn't do it. Andruw Jones didn't do it. Ken Griffey Jr. didn't do it.
So far, I've found one - Robin Yount in 1974, and I think it's a wee bit presumptuous to assume that Torres will be on Yount's level.
took Yount a while too. It was actually a disservice to him to throw him right in. I have no problem with Torres starting in AA and forcing his way up. And besides, why put that pressure on him to produce at the MLB level now? Let him get some additional experience.
He's the only one in about 60 years. Even Mickey Mantle needed seasoning.
maybe. but a big "show me" there.
Lol...you knew it? You're basing this off talking heads nonsense...but you knew it.
Aaron Judge will be fine if he's sent down. The Yanks don't destroy prospects no matter what some of you insist on believing.
-Trade a combo package headlined by Frazier to CHW for Quintana.
-Sign Harper as a UFA to play in LF/RF
Then I don't think we've set the team back.
I agree that I believe Harper will have some people singing a different tune next year. I also think his bat in Yankee Stadium is a great match. Most people are forgetting that Harper is older than Sanchez by about 50 days, that's it. Only about 2 years older than Frazier. (24 to 22). Yes, he's going to get paid, just like every major star coming to market in the next years, but what, a mega deal from the Yankees (8 years at whatever dollars), takes him through his age 33 season? He still would have some tread on his tires when the contract is over. This wouldn't be signing up for his 35+ seasons I don't think.
You have to give something to get something in the SP market. Instead of spending mega bucks on a FA starter (which I believe is more risky than spending on a position player), you get Quintana who is under team control through the 2020 season at a great price. Lefty starter that's only 28 years old, and has thrown 200 innings in each of the last 4 seasons with a sub 1.3 WHIP.
This case wouldn't be selling the prospects for an aging vet. This would be selling the prospects for the right cause. Just my opinion.
Mantle played two full seasons in the minors, 1949 and 1950, at Independence and Joplin.
The Yankees displayed a clear and cut plan last year. They were in the race two straight seasons and didn't make any now trades. Not one. Yet here you are blasting Cashman as if he just traded Bird and Judge for Rick Rhoden. You worry too much. Relax. The Yanks are clearly rebuilding and taking the long game approach. Clearly. If they were going to fuck this up they wouldn't have traded vets for prospects last August. And they would have gone all in two years ago.
You're the bullshitter. Get a clue. Mantle did not come to the Yankees directly from High School. He played 2 full seasons in the minors (1949 and 1950), made the team in 1951, sent down for about 2 months, then came back.
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You get a handle full of homegrowns to develop, it makes the world overvalue the remainders.
They won't all succeed as big leaguers, and even if they did there isn't room for all of them on one team. Don't freak out until there's a reason to freak out.
and 18. 2 years of minor league ball while he transitioned from scatter armed SS to stud CF.
If he was gone you have Hicks Gardner Judge and even might have a call up of Fraizer by the ASB if he tears up AAA.
Torres hitting will push his way up to the big club before the end of this year.
Where is Holiday playing besides DH? Bird is the everyday guy at 1st.
Actually did very well at Low A. Didn't hit for power but hit .290 on the season (.331 in the second half) and had a solid contact tool. Rave reviews for the glove, considered one of the best SS gloves in all of minor league baseball. Will probably be at High A this year.
Harper will be a Yankee. It's just a question of when and whom Washington gets. Getting Judge ABs at Scranton doesn't make sense. Hicks can't hit. He's a 4-tool player. Why waste time ?
You say they have a lot of talent and then ask if Cashman is up for it? You do realize Cashman is the one who brought all that "talent" into the organization, right? That he had to push Hal for permission to trade Miller and Chapman next year, right?
Honestly your posts don't make any sense. Give it a rest.
HA! Fair enough.
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I thought they said he was a major league ready defensive SS when they drafted him out of college? Left season in minors he was raved about? Haven't heard a thing about him since last fall.
Actually did very well at Low A. Didn't hit for power but hit .290 on the season (.331 in the second half) and had a solid contact tool. Rave reviews for the glove, considered one of the best SS gloves in all of minor league baseball. Will probably be at High A this year.
Cannot believe Judge will go down. Who stays? Ellsbury, Gardner, Hicks and ???. Judge stays. Austin still on DL. McKinney, Fowler and Frazier have been sent down. Keep Kozma as IF/OF until Didi returns??? I'm drawing a blank on the 4th OF?
Even if Judge goes down, he'll be back by May, latest. Ellsbury should be on DL by then.
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85 wins would be GREAT. I don't care about the wins though, I want to see Torres play everyday. I get making him play in AA and AAA to prove himself there first, I am not making a big deal of it, I am only saying what CASHMAN said, he said on TV, on the YES network, that EVERYONE wanted Torres here, go argue with them, okay, not me. I am only telling you what Cashman said. I thought, in my opinion, that Torres is ready. Okay, that is my opinion, but it's not a huge deal for him to start out in the minors, I am afraid they will start to trade these prospects for a guy like Quintana, and Frazier is the guy that would go, you okay with that since we will add the right fielder from Washington? I am not. I don't want him, I want to play the kids we have. After 3 years then decide who is expandable, not now.
I definitely DON"T want Harper. 1 big year in 5 and a doosh. Mike Trout he is not.
But it's not. Trading for a Quintana bucks a lot of the old Yankee ways in that he is still only a 28 year old pitcher with 3+ seasons of team control left.
You can make the injury point about literally any free agent signing, any. If Mike Trout were to become a FA, and we signed him to the big bucks and he gets hurt, guess what we're screwed in the same way. That is a blanket statement that can be applied to any FA signing.
The old days, you say. Go back to the late 90's-early 00's dynasty days. Skim through our top 10 guys by WAR each year and how many were FA signings/trades. It's just a fact that you can't keep all of your homegrown players, can't. You try and pick the best long term keepers, and supplement the team in FA and trades.
1996- Top 10 from Elsewhere w/ WAR Rating on Team:
#4- Paul O'Neill
#5- Kenny Rogers
#6- Wade Boggs
#8- Jimmy Key
#9- David Cone
#10- Mariano Duncan
98:
2- O'Neill
3- Brosius
5- Wells
6- Cone
8- Tino
99:
3- Cone
6- Knoblauch
7- Clemens
8- O'Neill
10- Tino
00:
4- Clemens
6- Justice
9- Nelson
01:
1- Mussina
2- Clemens
8- Stanton
9- Tino
10- Brosius
Yes, we have the makings of another great core, but getting a young SP like a Quintana is the sort of move that a team with this depth of prospects can make. Still in the farm at OF with major league potential are guys like Fowler, Rutherford, with Judge here at the doorstep. Simply can't keep all the young kids. Another conversation if you're a believer in Quintana or not, but I'm not going to go there. Just that he fits the bill of a player to target.
The new collective bargaining agreement is almost like a hard cap now, think about football, most the team is made up of homegrown prospects from the draft, trades are far a few between, you use free agency very carefully, sometimes to put your self over the top, sometimes to full positions cheap. This is the future of baseball manning.
It is heading in that direction. So in my view to be successful moving forward you will need to have most of your team made up of young players within the first 6 years of eligibility, or you will have a hard time to field a team within the cap, this is exactly where baseball is headed.
Agree the Ball screams when it comes off Fraizer's bat. You can see a 25-30 HR guy in the bigs when he fills in.
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Fowler- CF
Judge/Harper- Corner OF
Andujar- 3B
Torres- SS
Didi- 2B
Bird- 1B
Sanchez- C
Not fit that bill. Granted I'm higher on Andujar than most, but that right there would be a team of 6 home grown starting position players of 8. How many teams in the majors today boast that? Just as you said that is a team made of of a majority of homegrown talent. We also have to accept right now that we may not even hit on half of these prospects. That's why they're just that, prospects.
Add in pitchers like:
Betances
Montgomrey
Severino
Adams
Mitchell/Greene
And no doubt I'd trade Judge over Frazier at this point. I'm sure most fans would. There's a reason talks for Quintana start at Frazier and not Judge. Quintana is that valuable for what he is. Look at what our very own relievers fetched in the trade market. Look at the Adam Eaton trade, the Sale trade, you're going to trade prospects.
I'm not discounting Frazier at all, certainly not. But our team needs are starting pitching currently AND in the future, and we have a glut of prospects, it's just smart management to trade from strength to fill weakness, and Quintana would certainly be a player to target as his age/contract are both extremely team friendly. They're not going to accept a package around Judge and middling prospects that you don't like. If Tanaka opts out next year and goes elsewhere what exactly do we have to go along with these stud position player prospects in the rotation?
So either we pay for a high end position player, or for a high end starter? Which side do you fall on? An 8 year deal for Harper at 26 years old, or a similar deal in length for a pitcher?
I know his numbers. You seem like one of the people who look at a football team's wins and judge the play of the QB solely on that. His ERA is stellar, his WHIP is stellar, and he has no major injury concerns.
Of course his wins are low, the White Sox haven't been good since 2012, before he entered the league. They've finished 4th in central for 3 straight years, and last the year before that.
Felix Hernandez eclipsed 15 wins 3 times in his 12 year career, am I to believe he's not a good pitcher because of that? Before last year's 17 win season Chris Sale had 13-12-11 wins in order, is he not good? Tanaka has 14-13-12 wins in his 3 years with the Yanks..A child would quote the wins and use that as the end all-be all. Quintana's not on their level but you quoting his wins and calling him a #3 pitcher off that is simply wrong.
Fowler- CF
Judge/Harper- Corner OF
Andujar- 3B
Torres- SS
Didi- 2B
Bird- 1B
Sanchez- C
Not fit that bill. Granted I'm higher on Andujar than most, but that right there would be a team of 6 home grown starting position players of 8. How many teams in the majors today boast that? Just as you said that is a team made of of a majority of homegrown talent. We also have to accept right now that we may not even hit on half of these prospects. That's why they're just that, prospects.
Add in pitchers like:
Betances
Montgomrey
Severino
Adams
Mitchell/Greene
And no doubt I'd trade Judge over Frazier at this point. I'm sure most fans would. There's a reason talks for Quintana start at Frazier and not Judge. Quintana is that valuable for what he is. Look at what our very own relievers fetched in the trade market. Look at the Adam Eaton trade, the Sale trade, you're going to trade prospects.
I'm not discounting Frazier at all, certainly not. But our team needs are starting pitching currently AND in the future, and we have a glut of prospects, it's just smart management to trade from strength to fill weakness, and Quintana would certainly be a player to target as his age/contract are both extremely team friendly. They're not going to accept a package around Judge and middling prospects that you don't like. If Tanaka opts out next year and goes elsewhere what exactly do we have to go along with these stud position player prospects in the rotation?
So either we pay for a high end position player, or for a high end starter? Which side do you fall on? An 8 year deal for Harper at 26 years old, or a similar deal in length for a pitcher?
No to Harper. Too much money and not enough production.
Keep in mind, that the best outfielder in the minors is likely Rutherford. The kid is unbelievable.
I would be happier to see the Yanks court Machado over Harper and go all in on Shohei Ohtani. If you break the bank for Harper, who do you get rid of to make room for him?
Outfield: Frazier, Rutherford, and Judge (with Hicks, Fowler, McKinney, Jake Cave, even Mateo available and wanting a spot in the lineup)
Infield: of Bird, Torres, Didi, Machado, (with Mateo also available)
Catcher: Sanchez
That is an explosive hard hitting lineup in there that will be deserving a cool nickname.
Keep in mind, that the best outfielder in the minors is likely Rutherford. The kid is unbelievable.
I would be happier to see the Yanks court Machado over Harper and go all in on Shohei Ohtani. If you break the bank for Harper, who do you get rid of to make room for him?
Outfield: Frazier, Rutherford, and Judge (with Hicks, Fowler, McKinney, Jake Cave, even Mateo available and wanting a spot in the lineup)
Infield: of Bird, Torres, Didi, Machado, (with Mateo also available)
Catcher: Sanchez
That is an explosive hard hitting lineup in there that will be deserving a cool nickname.
I agree here. I'd much rather break the bank on Machado, over Harper. I'm just connecting the dots on some reports that have come out recently, and the team's known interest in Quintana, and what realisitcally it would take to get him.
Good point...
I would rather have Severino in AAA working out the kinks. The other choices don't excite me.
Go full on millennial movement.
I have been adamant on two things. Judge should be in RE every day because he actually has a ceiling get and he's already improved his game. Hicks is not going to get any better. For all the marvel at his arm, it is often overlooked that he is not much more than an average defensive OF.
The other is Montgomery should be the 5th starter. Whether that guy is named now or in a month, there is no evidence to name anyone else. Of all the candidates for the 4th and 5th spots, he's the only one who earned a spot with his pitching. If anything Severino, who I happen to like, keeps proving he is destined for the pen.
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The problem with that is their trade value tanks at that point once a slow start to the career takes off some of that top prospect shine. Give you an example - Paul Konerko. When he was 21 years old, Konerko was BA's #2 prospect in all of baseball. He absolutely destroyed minor league pitching, hitting .304/.399/.545 with 30 homers between AA and AAA. He struggled mightily over two season with the Dodgers, hitting only .212 with 4 homers. The Dodgers ended up trading him (and Dennis Reyes) for....Jeff Shaw. That's it. A good reliever is all Konerko fetched after falling flat on his face.
I agree, but the other alternative is to keep trading prospects before they even get a shot. That's how the Yankee dynasty crumbled in the 80s and again after 2000. You want Hicks to play everyday? Then you trade Gardner for whatever you can get and play Hicks and Judge. Ideally they trade Ells bury and eat a shit load of the contract. But that doesn't seem likely. Someone would take him if the Yankees ate $10-$15M of his annual salary.
The alternative is to give them prolonged looks. Whether we think him deserving or not, that's what they're doing with Aaron Hicks. Ordinarily you can do that in onesies and twosies if you've got a deep lineup, but it had been more difficult for the Yanks to swallow when they were a high-80's win team every year and the difference between being a .500 team and being a WC team could come down to whether a particular player was hitting or not. Right now they seem willing to do that with a number of spots in the lineup. Hopefully Judge will get that shot beginning early this year.
I would rather have Severino in AAA working out the kinks. The other choices don't excite me.
I agree, but I'm not a pitching coach with years of experience. The professionals in the pro-coaching world seem to understand how to bring up young pitchers without ruining their arm. I suspect it is based on decades of real life experience and watching phenoms flame out early because their bodies weren't ready for the grueling nature of the majors. I expect to see both Kap and Montgomery being brought in slowly, but not thrown in with a "sink or swim" attitude. They have the gift and it's up to the coaches to get them ready for prime time. And they will, but we must exercise patience and trust the coaches that they know what they are doing. The young pitchers have the physical tools, but there's a lot of mental tools that need more honing. As they say, "there's a difference between throwing and pitching". Pitching is about taking advantage of individual batters' weaknesses and letting the ball get hit for an out rather than trying to strike out every batter that steps into the box
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That is an ugly cat for sure. Is Bird driving in England or is the video flipped with a mirror or something?
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Looks very much like Severino is the fourth starter. Mitchell to pitch in relief in Atlanta tomorrow. #Yankees
look what happened to Mr. Bigglesworth
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Looks very much like Severino is the fourth starter. Mitchell to pitch in relief in Atlanta tomorrow. #Yankees
Finally- the Yanks giving a struggling young player a chance to develop! Sure, he can be a light out reliever- maybe even a closer- but he is infinitely more valuable if he is a SP.
Yes, he still struggles with his off-speed stuff- and yes, his command is not very good. However, these are things that can be developed with effort, time and chances. Working with Pedro this winter was a good step on the first- the burden is on the Yanks to give him the next two.
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Looks very much like Severino is the fourth starter. Mitchell to pitch in relief in Atlanta tomorrow. #Yankees
Good luck with that. Hopefully he comes close to 2015. I just hope he doesn't implode like last year (or get pounded).
at the risk of repating myself, the bigest roster problem the Yankees have is Elssbury and that f'ing ridiculous contract. You move that tumor out and then you have no problem keeping Judge and Hicks.
THere is always the possibility that Ellsbury gets hurt thoough. He e only missed 14 last year, so he's due for an extended stint if he follows his usual every other year pattern of missing significant time.
at the risk of repating myself, the bigest roster problem the Yankees have is Elssbury and that f'ing ridiculous contract. You move that tumor out and then you have no problem keeping Judge and Hicks.
THere is always the possibility that Ellsbury gets hurt thoough. He e only missed 14 last year, so he's due for an extended stint if he follows his usual every other year pattern of missing significant time.
The trouble with Ellsbury usually isn't games missed, but how he's regularly banged up but still playing at far less than 100%
Every season, he usually has a 4-6 week stretch where he's healthy and gets hot and shows signs of being a good .300 hitter with speed on the bases...but then some nagging injury comes up and he fades back to mediocrity
Why can't the ducking Fodgers bail us out of that deal like they did for the Red Sox
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I agree with you Paul, except as to Wade. There is a downside related to the 40-man roster, which is a real issue for the Yanks right now. Didi's only out a month, I am OK with Torreyes handling it until he's back.
Ditto this.
I have been adamant on two things. Judge should be in RE every day because he actually has a ceiling get and he's already improved his game. Hicks is not going to get any better. For all the marvel at his arm, it is often overlooked that he is not much more than an average defensive OF.
The other is Montgomery should be the 5th starter. Whether that guy is named now or in a month, there is no evidence to name anyone else. Of all the candidates for the 4th and 5th spots, he's the only one who earned a spot with his pitching. If anything Severino, who I happen to like, keeps proving he is destined for the pen.
There is no rush- or even need- to name a 5th SP now- or even for most of April.
Remember that Cashman has been firm in stating that the Yanks do not even need a 5th SP until April 16- about 2 weeks into the season.
The best course of action would be to put both Mitchell and Warren in pen for now. Both can be and have demonstrated success in the long-man role- which is a necessary one in April until the SP get fully stretched out. Having TWO long man is a luxury few teams have- and would prevent Girardi from burning out his pen with overuse- just put let one of these two guys take 2-3 innings at a time- and split them over 4-5 days a week- and your bullpen is saved in April.
Send Green, Montgomery and all other SP with options back to AAA to let them work. Why have them sit in the pen and lose valuable reps for two weeks or more?
Come April 16- the Yanks can pick and choose who they want to start- Who has is pitching the best to that point? What is on their 5th day in the rotation? Who is on the 40 and who isn't?
In fact, the Yanks could simply use several of the SP in AAA as their 5th SP in April until they decide who is the best fit.
My feeling is that when May rolls around, Montgomery would probably be in the best position to take the 5th SP spot- but sometimes young players don't react well to demotions when they do well enough to take a ML spot. This might be a good test of his mental toughness.
at the risk of repating myself, the bigest roster problem the Yankees have is Elssbury and that f'ing ridiculous contract. You move that tumor out and then you have no problem keeping Judge and Hicks.
THere is always the possibility that Ellsbury gets hurt thoough. He e only missed 14 last year, so he's due for an extended stint if he follows his usual every other year pattern of missing significant time.
I think 99.9% of Yankees fans agree on Ellsbury. But even with him here, there is room for Hicks and Judge. They need 4 OFs and Cashman said he'd prefer 4 guys getting 450 BA as opposed to 3 guys with 600 so there is something left in the tank in September and October.
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where yo have to stop babying these guys and see what they can do.
at the risk of repating myself, the bigest roster problem the Yankees have is Elssbury and that f'ing ridiculous contract. You move that tumor out and then you have no problem keeping Judge and Hicks.
THere is always the possibility that Ellsbury gets hurt thoough. He e only missed 14 last year, so he's due for an extended stint if he follows his usual every other year pattern of missing significant time.
The trouble with Ellsbury usually isn't games missed, but how he's regularly banged up but still playing at far less than 100%
Every season, he usually has a 4-6 week stretch where he's healthy and gets hot and shows signs of being a good .300 hitter with speed on the bases...but then some nagging injury comes up and he fades back to mediocrity
Why can't the ducking Fodgers bail us out of that deal like they did for the Red Sox
The bigger problem with Ellsbury is that even if the Yanks ate a bunch of that contract, he simply is not tradeable until the off-season. No team (except maybe the Dodgers) can add an unanticipated $10-20M+ to their payroll at this point in the year. Many teams set their budget in October, and when they go to Spring Training, they have more or less used that budget- with a little room for tinkering if a cheap player comes along.
In fact, even at the deadline- unless the Yanks take on all of Ellsbury's remaining contract this season- it would still be difficult for most clubs to take on about $8M at that point in the season.
I suspect that the Yanks plan is to trade Gardner at the trade deadline in July to open up one spot- and then if 2 OF force their way to NY in 2017, the Yanks will trade Ellsbury in the winter. Yes- the Yanks will likely have to eat about $10M annually on that remaining deal- but the idea is to let the young guys with upside play.
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where yo have to stop babying these guys and see what they can do.
at the risk of repating myself, the bigest roster problem the Yankees have is Elssbury and that f'ing ridiculous contract. You move that tumor out and then you have no problem keeping Judge and Hicks.
THere is always the possibility that Ellsbury gets hurt thoough. He e only missed 14 last year, so he's due for an extended stint if he follows his usual every other year pattern of missing significant time.
The trouble with Ellsbury usually isn't games missed, but how he's regularly banged up but still playing at far less than 100%
Every season, he usually has a 4-6 week stretch where he's healthy and gets hot and shows signs of being a good .300 hitter with speed on the bases...but then some nagging injury comes up and he fades back to mediocrity
Why can't the ducking Fodgers bail us out of that deal like they did for the Red Sox
The bigger problem with Ellsbury is that even if the Yanks ate a bunch of that contract, he simply is not tradeable until the off-season. No team (except maybe the Dodgers) can add an unanticipated $10-20M+ to their payroll at this point in the year. Many teams set their budget in October, and when they go to Spring Training, they have more or less used that budget- with a little room for tinkering if a cheap player comes along.
In fact, even at the deadline- unless the Yanks take on all of Ellsbury's remaining contract this season- it would still be difficult for most clubs to take on about $8M at that point in the season.
I suspect that the Yanks plan is to trade Gardner at the trade deadline in July to open up one spot- and then if 2 OF force their way to NY in 2017, the Yanks will trade Ellsbury in the winter. Yes- the Yanks will likely have to eat about $10M annually on that remaining deal- but the idea is to let the young guys with upside play.
And with CC and ARod's $$ coming off the books after this season, eating $10 million for 3 more years of the Ellsbury deal is more palatable.
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where yo have to stop babying these guys and see what they can do.
at the risk of repating myself, the bigest roster problem the Yankees have is Elssbury and that f'ing ridiculous contract. You move that tumor out and then you have no problem keeping Judge and Hicks.
THere is always the possibility that Ellsbury gets hurt thoough. He e only missed 14 last year, so he's due for an extended stint if he follows his usual every other year pattern of missing significant time.
I think 99.9% of Yankees fans agree on Ellsbury. But even with him here, there is room for Hicks and Judge. They need 4 OFs and Cashman said he'd prefer 4 guys getting 450 BA as opposed to 3 guys with 600 so there is something left in the tank in September and October.
maybe with Refsnyder sent down already. Or trade Gardner.
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Luis Severino is the Yankees fourth starter. Holder, Mitchell, Shreve in bullpen. Aaron Judge is Opening Day right fielder.
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Luis Severino is the Yankees fourth starter. Holder, Mitchell, Shreve in bullpen. Aaron Judge is Opening Day right fielder.
Good for Holder. Mitchell is the #5 then. Shreve survives another cut until he poops the bed later this year and is replaced by one of the young guys.
because Girardi threw it out there out the Francesa show on Tuesday. I guess he had to be told from above that Judge is the guy. Hal made it pretty clear over the winter that he wanted Judge in RF.
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Luis Severino is the Yankees fourth starter. Holder, Mitchell, Shreve in bullpen. Aaron Judge is Opening Day right fielder.
Good for Holder. Mitchell is the #5 then. Shreve survives another cut until he poops the bed later this year and is replaced by one of the young guys.
Shreve's big advantage is that he's a southpaw. We haven't developed a ton of quality lefty relief candidates. Maybe someone like Enns, maybe Caleb Smith (just returned by the Cubbies after the Rule 5), will emerge, but for now we have an abundance of RHRP prospects and a dearth of LHRP prospects.
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Chad Green will go to Double-A so he can start 4/6 and 4/11. Jordan Montgomery will start the same days at Triple-A.
We haven't developed a ton of quality lefty relief candidates. Maybe someone like Enns, maybe Caleb Smith (just returned by the Cubbies after the Rule 5), will emerge, but for now we have an abundance of RHRP prospects and a dearth of LHRP prospects.
I was disappointed in Enn's pitching this Spring. I had much higher expectations. I don't think he fits in a hard relief role as he doesn't blow people away. He seems like a fit for a long relief when a starter just doesn't have his mojo in the first couple of innings. Not sure where his future lies beyond a stud AAA pitcher who gets batters to hit into outs.