NFT: 3/29: Yankees chat

The Yanks may fuck this up. I knew it, and if they do it is all on Cashman, no more excuses for this guy.

Judge is 2 for 3 with an RBI and a run scored. I think he wins the starting RF job.

Montgomery pitched 5 innings, struck out 4, gave up 6 hits, 1 BB, and 1 earned run.

Joe says he isn't planning on having 5 starters on team when season begins and will bring up a 5th starter a couple weeks into the season.

Hard decisions to be made soon.

Judge needs regular AB's, he should be starting over Hicks who is nothing more than a place holder at this point.

I also think Frasier can and will be a big part of this team in the future, I wouldn't trade him.

it leaves no real 4th outfielder. Hicks is actually perfect for that role. Switch hitter who can play all three outfield positions - give him 3 games per week and rest the starters once a week. Two of them are old and need it.

It would be one thing if he sucked this spring, but he didn't. This would make such little sense that I don't even believe it.

let Montgomery be the #5 man in mid-April.

Hope that Kaprelain is ready by the All Star break.

Trading those guys now before we know how the season plays out would be irresponsibly dumb.

IF and ONLY IF they turn out to be a real contender by the trade deadline, then you think about trading a few prospects for a starter like Quintana.

In comment 13410891 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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It would be one thing if he sucked this spring, but he didn't. This would make such little sense that I don't even believe it.

I actually don't believe it either. Especially since Hal has said he'd like to see Judge start in RF.

Let Mitchell be the 4th starter, let Montgomery outpitch Severino in triple A and then name him the 5th starter, that is the best we are going to get with these paranoid fucks. I have seen enough of Severino for now to say he is a bullpen specialist, and I think he could be a 7th and 8th inning type like Mariano started out to be. Having Severino, Clippard, Betances, and Chapman out there is not such a bad thing.

I would have wade starting at short to start the season, let Torreyes be the guy he is going to be anyway, what is the fucking harm! Judge would be my right fielder and I would platoon Hicks to play all positions and all players can get plenty of at bats, it's the only way you have a shot to get some homers out of the outfield, let Judge see major league hitters regularly from the outset.

Not doing these things just makes me not trust this organization more. It makes me think they are up to old tricks, trying to trade for veteran sure shot players, as they think they are sure shots, rather then go through the pains of a player growing up.

It's Okay though to watch two pieces of shit in Ellsbury and Headley everyday though! Why? Just because you spent the money on them? They made a horrendous decision the day they let Cano walk. it was a disgrace. He should be a Yankee, not Ellsbury and Beltran is gone, he was the other guy in Cashman's master plan of Ellsbury and Beltran being better money spent then Cano.

If they have not got it into their heads that the only way to make a team great and sustain it is by building through the minor league system, then they will never get it.

I agree with you Paul, except as to Wade. There is a downside related to the 40-man roster, which is a real issue for the Yanks right now. Didi's only out a month, I am OK with Torreyes handling it until he's back.

Talk about a confidence killer after the Spring he's had.

And, as someone said, we need a 4th OF, and Hicks plays a good OF.

(If it were me I'd trade Gardner for whatever I could get and not have to worry about this, but I guess the offers have been at "give him away" prices.)

whatever. I don't like it, but I get it. But if this is actually them sending him down because they think Hicks is the better option, that's just fucking stupid.

And Montgomery is going to be sent down, that's fine. The issue will be if he's not recalled to make the first start a 5th starter needs to make, probably 4/16.

In the organization wanted Torres up here to start the season, including Gene Michael, the only person who vetoed it was Cashman. So enough of the breaks for Cashman, he is calling all the shots without any interference now. No more blaming Hal bullshit. This is all Cashman.

to slip in the shower.

LOVES HICKS, he is the one that went after him and the one who believes in him so much.

Absolutely nothing has happened and the freaking sky is falling!

I forgot about that. But if wade plays that well, then keep him here, you upgrade the 40, is that not right or am I missing something.

for an AAA starting pitcher.

In comment 13410959 PaulN said:

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I forgot about that. But if wade plays that well, then keep him here, you upgrade the 40, is that not right or am I missing something.

I think you are missing two things, points that have been made by more knowledgeable fans than me on here:

1. Wade has never played above AA and it's not clear that he's ready for MLB (unlike Judge); and

2. Putting Wade on the 40-man means relinquishing rights to a player that the Yanks want to keep.

Another shoe has to drop before Wade comes up.

Is it the expansion draft that you are thinking about?

In comment 13410968 PaulN said:

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Is it the expansion draft that you are thinking about?

Not specifically. There's Rule 5 and then (I think) the fact that anyone cut from the 40-man has to clear waivers and you're likely to lose him.

Played all season at AA last year Del.

we're not burning these young kids options in our 2nd transition year. Yes, we all want Torres to come up, but maximizing team control in a year where we're still building for the future should be of the utmost importance.

Anyway, Cashman is on with Francesa now:
- Torreyes at SS. Said he didn't want to push Wade. They are impressed and excited with him, but he shouldn't get thrown into the deep end.
- RF- They are going to meet today when he gets back. They will announce tomorrow the starter. Said it's been a really good race. Hicks will make the roster no matter what.

... and Rule 5 is a big issue for the Yanks right now with all the young talent that they have ...

In comment 13410974 PaulN said:

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Played all season at AA last year Del.

I didn't say otherwise.

In comment 13410975 ManningLobsItBurressAlone said:

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we're not burning these young kids options in our 2nd transition year. Yes, we all want Torres to come up, but maximizing team control in a year where we're still building for the future should be of the utmost importance. Anyway, Cashman is on with Francesa now: - Torreyes at SS. Said he didn't want to push Wade. They are impressed and excited with him, but he shouldn't get thrown into the deep end. - RF- They are going to meet today when he gets back. They will announce tomorrow the starter. Said it's been a really good race. Hicks will make the roster no matter what.

I meant rush* not push for Wade.

The thought that for a month it is not worth it though.

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You said Wade never played above AA, Okay my miss.

says Montgomrey pushing his way into the mix on the starter side.

Is a bad word now when talking about a player that could be dominant NOW. Since everyone voted for him to play on the big club now, EVERYONE, but Cashman, I don't think I'm in the minority here, Torres is ready now, and he will push his way here, they should have Castro taking reps at third already in my opinion. Unless they are going to trade Castro, which they might, they can get something for him still.

Serious question. It almost never happens, and there's zero rush. He tore up the AFL and ST but he didn't destroy High A. He was always very talented, he seems to have broken out, but there is virtually no downside to giving him a taste of AA and probably a taste of AAA too. The service time thing matters for him too, based on his age and his projected ceiling it's a terrible economic decision to burn a year because of a two-week injury. That's not a concern really for Wade, a likely utility guy, but it is absolutely one for Torres.

In comment 13410951 shelovesnycsports said:

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to slip in the shower.

He and Gardner both. Two players that have played well over their careers, however both are on the wrong side of 30, both have had injury issues in recent years, and both appear to be on the decline. Its time to move on and let the future begin.

In comment 13410995 PaulN said:

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Is a bad word now when talking about a player that could be dominant NOW. Since everyone voted for him to play on the big club now, EVERYONE, but Cashman, I don't think I'm in the minority here, Torres is ready now, and he will push his way here, they should have Castro taking reps at third already in my opinion. Unless they are going to trade Castro, which they might, they can get something for him still.

If Torres is ready, I would consider trading Didi for the right SP. Didi is good, but streaky. Torres has star-power potential written all over him and reminds me of a young Derek Jeter.

In comment 13410995 PaulN said:

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Is a bad word now when talking about a player that could be dominant NOW. Since everyone voted for him to play on the big club now, EVERYONE, but Cashman, I don't think I'm in the minority here, Torres is ready now, and he will push his way here, they should have Castro taking reps at third already in my opinion. Unless they are going to trade Castro, which they might, they can get something for him still.

We're talking about a 20 year old kid that hasn't played AAA. I hope he tears the cover off the ball, but I still wouldn't want him up as TEAM CONTROL is still vital to a player of this caliber.

What is your honest opinion of this team's upside? I think most people would be pleased with an 85 win season? We're not ready to be one of the AL elite yet, and with that we should be grooming these kids for the future, when this next wave is ready to graduate.

Didi is out for a month and you're already torturing Cashman, a MONTH. Keep the rebuild moving in the right direction and let's not rush the kids. It's exactly what Cashman said he regretted in his long (and great), interview that was posted on here last week. Bringing up the kids and stunting their development. Consensus top prospect Moncada was just optioned down to AAA in Chicago...Again, the proper move on their part. Don't rush.

I agree, there isn't, and we have Castro here, I was just making the point that this is not being totally controlled by Cashman, Hal is the rubber stamp only, he is an owner like everyone else now, he is not anything like George. In fact, I like Hal a lot and think he is good for this organization.

I need to understand the rule 5 better, that is what I am missing, I know what it is generally, but don't know the specifics. Plus there is an expansion draft and players, good players, are going to get exposed, I know that is also a part of this, but again, I don't fully understand the rules there either.

I just want to see the young players, I enjoy that more then anything. I want to see Judge everyday, we are all sick of seeing Headley and Ellsbury, we know we are stuck with him, but I was hoping that Cashman could work out a deal to get Headley out of here. I like Gardner, but him and Ellsbury are one too many. Gardner could be moved at least, Ellsbury never.

To market Hicks.

- Goes to sleep at night and does't spend any time worrying about 1B and C positions.
-Open to listen to offers on anyone except Sanchez pretty much.
-Org still believes in Severino
-Sheffield and Chance Adams get a name drop. Said Kaep is in the same territory as Torres. Polished player and a fast mover. The ML Camp loved Sheffield.

85 wins would be GREAT. I don't care about the wins though, I want to see Torres play everyday. I get making him play in AA and AAA to prove himself there first, I am not making a big deal of it, I am only saying what CASHMAN said, he said on TV, on the YES network, that EVERYONE wanted Torres here, go argue with them, okay, not me. I am only telling you what Cashman said. I thought, in my opinion, that Torres is ready. Okay, that is my opinion, but it's not a huge deal for him to start out in the minors, I am afraid they will start to trade these prospects for a guy like Quintana, and Frazier is the guy that would go, you okay with that since we will add the right fielder from Washington? I am not. I don't want him, I want to play the kids we have. After 3 years then decide who is expandable, not now.

Not is not.

the Ellsbury contract. Stupid then, more stupid now and with each passing day. Overpaid, under productive, always hurt, untradeable. Without him, there is no problem. Judge starts, Hicks is the 4th OF.

-Loves Greg Bird. Not surprised that he's doing well upon his return. Said he was the best hitting prospect in the system, and that they had him rated as a better hitter than Sanchez.
-Was asked if he thinks this is a .500 team. Said that if they don't go .500 something went seriously wrong or someone got hurt.

In comment 13411023 PaulN said:

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85 wins would be GREAT. I don't care about the wins though, I want to see Torres play everyday. I get making him play in AA and AAA to prove himself there first, I am not making a big deal of it, I am only saying what CASHMAN said, he said on TV, on the YES network, that EVERYONE wanted Torres here, go argue with them, okay, not me. I am only telling you what Cashman said. I thought, in my opinion, that Torres is ready. Okay, that is my opinion, but it's not a huge deal for him to start out in the minors, I am afraid they will start to trade these prospects for a guy like Quintana, and Frazier is the guy that would go, you okay with that since we will add the right fielder from Washington? I am not. I don't want him, I want to play the kids we have. After 3 years then decide who is expandable, not now.

I definitely DON"T want Harper. 1 big year in 5 and a doosh. Mike Trout he is not.

without ever playing a game in AA or AAA. I'll wait.

Looking at stars who made their MLB debuts at Torres' age or younger.....Mike freaking Trout didn't do it. Bryce Harper didn't do it - he didn't play many minor league games, but he played a few in AA-AAA. Miguel Cabrera didn't do it. Giancarlo Stanton didn't do it. Carlos Correa didn't do it. Gary Sheffield didn't do it. Andruw Jones didn't do it. Ken Griffey Jr. didn't do it.

So far, I've found one - Robin Yount in 1974, and I think it's a wee bit presumptuous to assume that Torres will be on Yount's level.

I am okay with him starting out in AA. As lonmg as I eventually get to see him, and not Quintana, hope you get what I am saying.

Al Kaline came out of high school.

His stock is lower than his talent, and they're short on RH hitting. He's better than his 2016 numbers. Awful BABIP last year for a guy who puts the ball in play a lot. Entering his prime years and IMO provides as much upside as Gardner.

With 2 years / $24m left, I think now would be an outstanding time to eat ~$10m and trade Gardner for either SP prospects or long bullpen help.

The Yankees of the past tout the prospects, build the names, and then trade them for stars. As long as they don't do that I am fine with everything else.

In comment 13411034 Greg from LI said:

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without ever playing a game in AA or AAA. I'll wait. Looking at stars who made their MLB debuts at Torres' age or younger.....Mike freaking Trout didn't do it. Bryce Harper didn't do it - he didn't play many minor league games, but he played a few in AA-AAA. Miguel Cabrera didn't do it. Giancarlo Stanton didn't do it. Carlos Correa didn't do it. Gary Sheffield didn't do it. Andruw Jones didn't do it. Ken Griffey Jr. didn't do it. So far, I've found one - Robin Yount in 1974, and I think it's a wee bit presumptuous to assume that Torres will be on Yount's level.

took Yount a while too. It was actually a disservice to him to throw him right in. I have no problem with Torres starting in AA and forcing his way up. And besides, why put that pressure on him to produce at the MLB level now? Let him get some additional experience.

People will think differently by there time next offseason gets here.

understand Montgomery not starting in the majors. I think he has a pitch limit 150 innings? Better to have him go down and pace him out then bring him up in June/July.