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2018 draft stocked with quarterback prospects

Archer : 3/29/2017 6:42 pm
The 2018 draft is loaded with great quarterback prospects.
There are at least (4) projected " franchise -quarterbacks" in next years draft.

Perhaps the Giants should trade down this year and pick up additional picks for next year ?


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“Next year’s draft,” one NFL personnel director said. “Next year’s draft is loaded.”
With less than a month to go before the 2017 NFL Draft, evaluators desperate for quarterback help are already peeking ahead to next year’s class. It could be a top heavy, which this year’s class isn’t. By top heavy, I mean franchise-quarterback heavy.


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The names being mentioned are Southern California’s Sam Darnold, UCLA’s Josh Rosen and Wyoming’s Josh Allen, who some scouts are already saying is the next John Elway. There are several others, like Washington’s Jake Browning, who could also play into the top quarterback argument.

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Yet another reason to forego the position this year  
Torrag : 3/29/2017 6:43 pm : link
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Which is why I think Cleveland and the Jets are purposely tanking  
robbieballs2003 : 3/29/2017 6:46 pm : link
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Josh Allen  
Joey in VA : 3/29/2017 6:49 pm : link
Has an absolute cannon attached to his right arm.
RE: Which is why I think Cleveland and the Jets are purposely tanking  
FStubbs : 3/29/2017 6:50 pm : link
In comment 13411245 robbieballs2003 said:
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Are any of these prospects seen as can't-miss as Andrew Luck?
I think Suck for Luck was a one time thing.
No thanks on trading down either  
UConn4523 : 3/29/2017 6:51 pm : link
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The only way I'd pick a QB this draft is if I could steal Webb in Rd 3  
PatersonPlank : 3/29/2017 6:55 pm : link
TO me that would be a great value pick. He could be the real deal, and the 3rd round would be tremendous value. He's probably going earlier however.
2018  
Mike in NY : 3/29/2017 6:56 pm : link
Can't put off picking a QB on the chance next year's crop is better. Injuries and regression happen all the time. Not to mention no guarantee we will be picking high enough to select one next year or won't have a greater need
'Can't put off picking a QB on the chance next year's crop is better'.  
Torrag : 3/29/2017 6:58 pm : link
Yes you can. If you're a team that has a good one already. We aren't Cleveland.
Sam Darnold  
Archer : 3/29/2017 7:01 pm : link
Sam Darnold is an amazing prospect.
He has the quickest release that I have ever seen.
It is not just his release, he seems to play faster than the other players. He has a strong arm and is extremely accurate.
Also Luke Falk  
jeff57 : 3/29/2017 7:12 pm : link
Mason Rudolph and Baker Makefield,
Wyomings Josh Allen  
Earl the goat : 3/29/2017 7:14 pm : link
Is the best of the bunch
Will be the number 1 pick overall next year
I don't follow CFB a ton  
giants#1 : 3/29/2017 7:23 pm : link
But at this point last year, some experts were touting Mitch Leidner aso a first round pick. Now,some don't even view him as a legit backup QB.
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Since the Giants  
k-five : 3/29/2017 7:24 pm : link
are expected to be really bad this year, we should wait until next year to get another QB. By naming all these QBs that are potential top 10 in next years draft as a reason not to take a QB this year, you would have to think we will be bad.
That's why I want us to hold off on drafting a QB this year  
Anakim : 3/29/2017 7:25 pm : link
Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Josh Allen, Luke Falk and Mason Rudolph all look like quality QB prospects and beat the snot out of this year's class.
As others have said, if we do as well as we hope this year  
yatqb : 3/29/2017 7:35 pm : link
we won't have a chance of landing a "franchise QB" in next year's draft. Those go really quickly. If, on the other hand, we think that we can coach up one of this year's QBs to be our next franchise QB, why not make that pick? It's the single most important position in sports.

It's like when we picked Simms; I decided that Perkins was known as a QB guru, and I had to trust his judgment on that choice. A lot of folks wanted Jack Thompson and felt we'd reached for Simms once Thompson was selected, but Simms proved in the long run to have been the better choice...although some guy picked in the 3rd round is in the argument for the best QB of all time.

So sometimes a team with vision can strike gold.

so  
Archer : 3/29/2017 7:36 pm : link
Would it make sense for the Giants to trade their first for a teams second this year and a first next year?

It would be a good year to stock up with draft picks.

RE: 2018  
Devon : 3/29/2017 7:44 pm : link
In comment 13411258 Mike in NY said:
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Can't put off picking a QB on the chance next year's crop is better. Injuries and regression happen all the time. Not to mention no guarantee we will be picking high enough to select one next year or won't have a greater need


It's not a chance. Next year's crop is almost certainly going to be better just by virtue of this one being so weak.

I'm absolutely not against them picking a QB early this year, as I've said, but part of the problem is that there just isn't a good field to pick from. Several guys are just going to get over-drafted (like Christian Ponder or Blaine Gabbert) by desperate teams that will be right back in the QB draft hunt in a year or two because of their mistake.
Devon, that's always the danger. But it's an even bigger danger  
yatqb : 3/29/2017 7:52 pm : link
when you are desperate for a QB because you reach, and in the case of Cleveland and a host of teams, reach over and over again.
RE: I don't follow CFB a ton  
barens : 3/29/2017 8:01 pm : link
In comment 13411284 giants#1 said:
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But at this point last year, some experts were touting Mitch Leidner aso a first round pick. Now,some don't even view him as a legit backup QB. Link - ( New Window )


When was he considered a first round pick?

There's also the Florida State and Louisville QB's, both pretty big X factors. Deondre Francois looked good as a redshirt freshman, and most people in Tallahassee are expecting a big season from him. And Lamar Jackson, who I'm sure most around here will poo-poo, I expect to make himself eligible for next years draft.
Josh  
AcidTest : 3/29/2017 8:06 pm : link
Allen might be able to throw the ball into low earth orbit.
RE: Josh  
Joey in VA : 3/29/2017 8:11 pm : link
In comment 13411310 AcidTest said:
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Allen might be able to throw the ball into low earth orbit.
While standing on one leg and hopping away from all 11 defenders, he's the absolute deal. He should be, barring injury the top pick in next year's draft.
2018  
Archer : 3/29/2017 8:20 pm : link
It is possible depending on underclassmen,that there will be as many as (7-8) first round quality quarterbacks in next years draft.

If these quarterbacks were eligible for the 2017 draft they would likely be drafted before Watson and Trubisky.

I prefer drafting to the strength of a draft.
RE: RE: Josh  
AcidTest : 3/29/2017 8:24 pm : link
In comment 13411314 Joey in VA said:
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In comment 13411310 AcidTest said:


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Allen might be able to throw the ball into low earth orbit.

While standing on one leg and hopping away from all 11 defenders, he's the absolute deal. He should be, barring injury the top pick in next year's draft.


Agreed. We've got a whole season in front of us. Anything can happen. We seen a lot of players anointed next year's #1, who really fall off by the time the draft starts. But Allen looks phenomenal.

Next year's class looks so good, it makes me wonder if some teams like the Jets might just hold off until then. The Jets are in full blown rebuild mode. They're going to stink this season, but therefore be in a good position to grab Allen or another QB in a loaded class. So why not build up the rest of the team this year instead of drafting a QB?
RE: Yet another reason to forego the position this year  
81_Great_Dane : 3/29/2017 9:00 pm : link
In comment 13411244 Torrag said:
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Yeah, but it's going to be hard to get one of those guys from the #32 spot. ;-)
By next year  
Vanzetti : 3/29/2017 9:02 pm : link
We will also know a lot more about Elis window. I expect Giants to do well but if they slide back they 6-7 wins, then it might be time to draft a QB
People are getting way ahead of themselves  
Patrick77 : 3/29/2017 10:26 pm : link
Last year Watson was sure to go top five, Brad Kayaa was a first rounder and Kizer was going to take it to the next level.

Also, IMO the FSU and L'ville QBs are better compared to Jerod Evans and Josh Dobbs than any first rounder. They have some pretty big flaws.
Josh Allen  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 3/29/2017 10:39 pm : link
is really impressive. Great arm, quick release, accurate, can run as well. Rosen is also quite impressive. I would be happy with either of those two, but we will have to be terrible this coming season to sniff either one. Although it is possible that Rosen in particular could go back for another year.
It'll most likely be that the Giants next year won't be drafting high  
micky : 3/29/2017 11:44 pm : link
enough to get one of these QB's.

Unless mortgaging the farm or whole draft to move up.
RE: It'll most likely be that the Giants next year won't be drafting high  
Anakim : 3/29/2017 11:52 pm : link
In comment 13411416 micky said:
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enough to get one of these QB's.

Unless mortgaging the farm or whole draft to move up.


As opposed to drafting high right now? We pick 23rd. Any of the 5 guys that I mentioned has a chance of falling next year and they're much better QBs than anyone in this class, IMO. I would be very pissed off if we draft a QB on Day One or Day Two this year.
Last year at this time, they were saying the same thing  
Ivan15 : 3/30/2017 12:05 am : link
about this draft class
RE: People are getting way ahead of themselves  
barens : 3/30/2017 8:00 am : link
In comment 13411396 Patrick77 said:
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Last year Watson was sure to go top five, Brad Kayaa was a first rounder and Kizer was going to take it to the next level.

Also, IMO the FSU and L'ville QBs are better compared to Jerod Evans and Josh Dobbs than any first rounder. They have some pretty big flaws.


I couldn't disagree more with that. Evans only had one year of experience, and both he and Dobbs are a bit inaccurate and Dobbs arm strength is fairly average.

Both Francois and Jackson have cannons, and Francois, for a redshirt freshman, was pretty accurate. Jackson has more to work on as a passer, but he does have a cannon, and his athletic ability speaks for itself.

I fully expect those 2 to be in the conversation as well.
Too early to really get in to it  
Sy'56 : 3/30/2017 8:27 am : link
But look for a nice rise out of Stanford's Keller Chryst. Unfortunate injury in their bowl game but should be back for week 1.
RE: Too early to really get in to it  
Victor in CT : 3/30/2017 8:42 am : link
In comment 13411514 Sy'56 said:
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But look for a nice rise out of Stanford's Keller Chryst. Unfortunate injury in their bowl game but should be back for week 1.


I guess he will instantly be nicknamed "The Savior" by whichever QB-less team's fans get him???
RE: Last year at this time, they were saying the same thing  
barens : 3/30/2017 10:30 am : link
In comment 13411419 Ivan15 said:
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about this draft class


No, they weren't.
RE: RE: Last year at this time, they were saying the same thing  
djm : 3/30/2017 10:56 am : link
In comment 13411703 barens said:
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about this draft class



No, they weren't.


No they weren't X2.

How many instances can anyone recall where they hyped up an NFL QB a year in advance only to see that QB fade away into obscurity or irrelevance? It rarely happens. Great collegiate QBs don't disappear very often. They usually stay great.

If they are saying next year's draft is loaded with QBs it likely will be even MORE loaded with QBs this time next year. Those guys won't just go away or start sucking.

To me this is a big development. I wouldn't ignore a QB that checks off the boxes if I am NYG but i'd sure as hell be aware of the 2018 draft when making a decision.

And just think, if we are picking late next year then Eli likely had a good to great 2017 season. If we are picking high...well...you get it. Either way, with all these QBs the Giants might be able to move up or even stand pat and get one.
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