My guess is Mitchell is the #5, unless Green is called up and Mitchell sent down for the 16th. Can't see Montgomery being placed on the 40 man, yet. So he is AAA until further notice.
Between Gardner, Judge, Bird and Sanchez, that's 4 home grown guys out of 8 in the field on Opening Day. Not that that's the only goal, but a nice sign of progress for the farm system.
Between Gardner, Judge, Bird and Sanchez, that's 4 home grown guys out of 8 in the field on Opening Day. Not that that's the only goal, but a nice sign of progress for the farm system.
Unfortunately for Gardner, his window is closing and its nearing that time where the next home grown product should be brought up to replace him.
He's been terrific in relief during Spring Training.
Not on the MLB roster but not sure what level he got sent down to.
Odd. He's been really good this year with an ERA below 1. I would suspect that there would be something indicating his status. He was pitching on the Major League level toward the end of last year. I was encouraged by his success this spring that it meant that he was another viable asset picked up in the Miller trade.
Shreve is the question mark. He was terrible last year and the last month the year before. And he isn't very good at getting lefties out. As a result, wouldn't surprise me if Holder and Heller got last two spots in bullpen, and Shreve ended up down in AAA.
Yes, but Heller has walked 8 guys in only 13 innings this spring. That is not a good sign for when he has to start facing all the big boys. But with that said, I think he and Holder are pretty neck and neck. And there is a chance both can make the roster. As they are the best options already on the 40.
I thought Frieri could force his way on roster, but although he has been striking everyone out...he is giving up a home run per outing almost. So he should be going down to AAA.
My guess is Mitchell is the #5, unless Green is called up and Mitchell sent down for the 16th. Can't see Montgomery being placed on the 40 man, yet. So he is AAA until further notice.
know when Refsnyder is a free agent? It will be interesting when he goes to another team and is given a chance to play everyday how he performs.
Following the 2022 season.
he might be out of baseball before he hits FA :-)
It's looking more and more like Ref is one of those guys who seemed like a great prospect to us more because they had such a shitty farm system. He might be an okay utility guy at best
Between Gardner, Judge, Bird and Sanchez, that's 4 home grown guys out of 8 in the field on Opening Day. Not that that's the only goal, but a nice sign of progress for the farm system.
Unfortunately for Gardner, his window is closing and its nearing that time where the next home grown product should be brought up to replace him.
Yup, Gardy's been a good Yankee, I'd say he's outperformed projections from when he was a prospect, turned into a reasonably dependable everyday player for several years, but he's obviously first up to be traded if the opportunity comes up
but Hicks is the perfect 4th OF and will get his at-bats. He's a great defender with legit CF skills and a RF arm. He's also a switch hitter. He'll automatically play against lefties giving Gardy or Ellsbury the day off. He could start a game a week in each OF spot and help keep everyone fresh. It's in the Yanks best interest to get Hicks involved because he has definite trade value if he's hitting. Also, Judge is a good defender, but it's hard to imagine a better defensive outfield than Gardner, Ellsbury and Hicks.
Thank you for the Heller details. I hadn't paid attention to how many people he had walked this Spring. I only really noticed that he wasn't giving up runs, and he was striking out his fair share of batters. Still happy with how well he's been doing. That Miller trade has been very good for the Yankees.
but Hicks is the perfect 4th OF and will get his at-bats. He's a great defender with legit CF skills and a RF arm. He's also a switch hitter. He'll automatically play against lefties giving Gardy or Ellsbury the day off. He could start a game a week in each OF spot and help keep everyone fresh. It's in the Yanks best interest to get Hicks involved because he has definite trade value if he's hitting. Also, Judge is a good defender, but it's hard to imagine a better defensive outfield than Gardner, Ellsbury and Hicks.
is now out of options. he is a free agent either after he calls up he stays the whole year or if he isnt called up he cant b oprioned to minors next year
[quote]It's looking more and more like Ref is one of those guys who seemed like a great prospect to us more because they had such a shitty farm system. He might be an okay utility guy at best[quote]
Good point. We had very little in the system 2-3 years ago...and he got overhyped as a result. He doesn't really even have a position. And his good hitting never continued to the MLB level, so where dies he really stand?
he was one of the best contact hitters in the minors. He has regressed because he wasn't given consistent reps and because he never locked down a defensive position, but he was a legitimate prospect.
is now out of options. he is a free agent either after he calls up he stays the whole year or if he isnt called up he cant b oprioned to minors next year
That isn't accurate. While he is out of options, he doesn't become a FA if he's removed from the 40 man. He would be DFA'ed which means he would be claimed by another team. You only become a FA if your parent teams releases you/non-tenders you. otherwise you need 6 years of service time.
when you consider that he had to walk on at College of Charleston. It's a cool story - the first day of practice, the coach hadn't told the players who tried out as walk-ons who had made the team yet. However, Gardner showed up to the first practice anyway. Asked what he thought he was doing, Gardner told the coach that he knew he was good enough to be on the team.
RE: Montgomery is lined up to be the 5th starter...
I won't disagree except Green is on the 40 man and Montgomery isn't. So if Montgomery comes up he stays for the year, while Green is already on the 40 man and has options. They are not going to risk losing Montgomery on waivers; if permanently added to the 40 man, who will be let go?
Think Montgomery is in SWB because of the better competition to keep him sharp, while Green is in Trenton only to stay stretched out...
RE: RE: Montgomery is lined up to be the 5th starter...
I won't disagree except Green is on the 40 man and Montgomery isn't. So if Montgomery comes up he stays for the year, while Green is already on the 40 man and has options. They are not going to risk losing Montgomery on waivers; if permanently added to the 40 man, who will be let go?
Think Montgomery is in SWB because of the better competition to keep him sharp, while Green is in Trenton only to stay stretched out...
They have a little bit of 40-man flexibility and Montgomery is going to come up sooner or later anyway. If he pitches well I bet the job is his.
when you consider that he had to walk on at College of Charleston. It's a cool story - the first day of practice, the coach hadn't told the players who tried out as walk-ons who had made the team yet. However, Gardner showed up to the first practice anyway. Asked what he thought he was doing, Gardner told the coach that he knew he was good enough to be on the team.
Never knew that, that's awesome. From that to winning a World Series with the Yankees, pretty good career
when you consider that he had to walk on at College of Charleston. It's a cool story - the first day of practice, the coach hadn't told the players who tried out as walk-ons who had made the team yet. However, Gardner showed up to the first practice anyway. Asked what he thought he was doing, Gardner told the coach that he knew he was good enough to be on the team.
I remember when he and Ellsbury were both prospects in the minors. Ellsbury got tons of hype, and Gardner was a total afterthought as a prospect, which I could never understand cause I always thought they were pretty much identical players. Ten years + later they have very similar lifetime WAR's. Gardner has made a hell of a career for himself.
RE: RE: RE: Montgomery is lined up to be the 5th starter...
I won't disagree except Green is on the 40 man and Montgomery isn't. So if Montgomery comes up he stays for the year, while Green is already on the 40 man and has options. They are not going to risk losing Montgomery on waivers; if permanently added to the 40 man, who will be let go?
Think Montgomery is in SWB because of the better competition to keep him sharp, while Green is in Trenton only to stay stretched out...
They have a little bit of 40-man flexibility and Montgomery is going to come up sooner or later anyway. If he pitches well I bet the job is his.
True and also, if he is added to the 40 man, he will then have options.
Just looked at the 40 man roster, you are right, there are at least a half dozen guys they could DFA'd to open a spot.
[quote]It's looking more and more like Ref is one of those guys who seemed like a great prospect to us more because they had such a shitty farm system. He might be an okay utility guy at best[quote]
Good point. We had very little in the system 2-3 years ago...and he got overhyped as a result. He doesn't really even have a position. And his good hitting never continued to the MLB level, so where dies he really stand?
Exactly. That's why it will be interesting to see how he does if he goes to some place like Tampa or Oakland and gets a real chance to see with consistent AB's if he can stick in the majors, or will he be one of many AAAA players..
just said Green and Montgomery will compete for the 5th spot next few weeks. No word of Mitchell.
As many said I think Green is the favorite since he's already on the 40 man and is a bit more seasoned, but the Yankees can easily make room for Montgomery if needed.
when you consider that he had to walk on at College of Charleston. It's a cool story - the first day of practice, the coach hadn't told the players who tried out as walk-ons who had made the team yet. However, Gardner showed up to the first practice anyway. Asked what he thought he was doing, Gardner told the coach that he knew he was good enough to be on the team.
I remember when he and Ellsbury were both prospects in the minors. Ellsbury got tons of hype, and Gardner was a total afterthought as a prospect, which I could never understand cause I always thought they were pretty much identical players. Ten years + later they have very similar lifetime WAR's. Gardner has made a hell of a career for himself.
If memory serves, Ellsbury hit well in the 2007 Series for the Red Sox, and has been overrated ever since
[quote]It's looking more and more like Ref is one of those guys who seemed like a great prospect to us more because they had such a shitty farm system. He might be an okay utility guy at best[quote]
Good point. We had very little in the system 2-3 years ago...and he got overhyped as a result. He doesn't really even have a position. And his good hitting never continued to the MLB level, so where dies he really stand?
Exactly. That's why it will be interesting to see how he does if he goes to some place like Tampa or Oakland and gets a real chance to see with consistent AB's if he can stick in the majors, or will he be one of many AAAA players..
Yea - I think Ref is a good contact hitter and has a decent eye but his lack of power, speed, and position makes it tough for him to be a every day starter. I think he could make stick around as a 2B or SS but his defense isn't exactly spectacular at those positions either.
As for Ref's tools, power isn't the end-all be-all, but he had 14 HRs in 2014, 11 combined in 2015. He's not Brendan Ryan. And he's not a speed merchant but given regular reps he's probably a double-digit steals guy. He is, or at least was on track to be, a legit offensive prospect. Whether he can rebound from a couple disappointing seasons with a change of scenery remains to be seen.
exactly - Ellsbury's fluke 2011 got him that massive deal
Aside from that season, he's been a decent player who was an excellent base thief (not anymore though). Which is pretty much the same thing you can say about Gardner, although he wasn't quite as prolific on the bases despite being faster in my opinion.
just said Green and Montgomery will compete for the 5th spot next few weeks. No word of Mitchell.
As many said I think Green is the favorite since he's already on the 40 man and is a bit more seasoned, but the Yankees can easily make room for Montgomery if needed.
No need to make room right now. April has a number of off-days which means they won't need the 5th starter for a few weeks. Better to help the 5th guy stay sharp by pitching every 4 days in the minors until a five man rotation is needed
who does not lack speed. However, anytime the subject of speed is brought up in a discussion, serves well to remember that it doesn't translate into wins on a baseball field. Yes, if he has everything else, let him be fast as well. But an outfielder with average speed who gets a good copy on the ball, is far better than a sprinter who breaks late or wrongly. Don Mattingly was an excellent base runner. Herb Washington was terrible. In baseball , we worry about 180. Can the runner get two bases on a normal sequence play? Ref is a good hitter with doubles power. It's too bad Girardi made up his mind about him in 50 ABs.
Torreyes is this season's JR Murphy. He will bat 150 until he gets released. Last season's batting was a jerk off. And keeping Kozma means their 9-hole will hit like like a pitcher for the first month.
It's obvious Jar Head pulled a Ralph Houk. He made up his mind before they reported to camp. I'm glad he and Rothchild are working in the last year of their contracts. But I am happy they went with Judge.
2- Shreve
3- Holder
4- Warren
5- Clippard
6- Betances
7- Chapman
I think they'll have one other person in there until mid April where they'll have a full 5 man rotation.
From Hoch.
Montgomery and Chad Green sent to AAA and AA respectively
Refsnyder sent to AAA
So I guess opening day roster is...
C- Sanchez
1B- Bird
2B- Castro
SS- Torreyes
3B- Headly
LF- Gardner
CF- Ellsbury
RF- Judge
DH- Holliday
BN- Romine
BN- Carter
BN- Hicks
BN- Kozma
SP- Tanaka
SP- Sabathia
SP- Pineda
SP- Severino
BP- Warren
BP- Mitchell
BP- Layne
BP- Holder
BP- Shreve
BP- Clippard
BP- Betances
BP- Chapman
Not on the MLB roster but not sure what level he got sent down to.
Following the 2022 season.
Saw somewhere online he's signed through next year. After that he can go to arbitration.
Crazy he's already 26 years old
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He's been terrific in relief during Spring Training.
Not on the MLB roster but not sure what level he got sent down to.
I thought Frieri could force his way on roster, but although he has been striking everyone out...he is giving up a home run per outing almost. So he should be going down to AAA.
Looks like they want to keep both him and Montgomery stretched out and on normal rest to be the 5th starter.
I agree.
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know when Refsnyder is a free agent? It will be interesting when he goes to another team and is given a chance to play everyday how he performs.
Following the 2022 season.
he might be out of baseball before he hits FA :-)
It's looking more and more like Ref is one of those guys who seemed like a great prospect to us more because they had such a shitty farm system. He might be an okay utility guy at best
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Between Gardner, Judge, Bird and Sanchez, that's 4 home grown guys out of 8 in the field on Opening Day. Not that that's the only goal, but a nice sign of progress for the farm system.
Unfortunately for Gardner, his window is closing and its nearing that time where the next home grown product should be brought up to replace him.
Yup, Gardy's been a good Yankee, I'd say he's outperformed projections from when he was a prospect, turned into a reasonably dependable everyday player for several years, but he's obviously first up to be traded if the opportunity comes up
exactly. good post
Good point. We had very little in the system 2-3 years ago...and he got overhyped as a result. He doesn't really even have a position. And his good hitting never continued to the MLB level, so where dies he really stand?
That isn't accurate. While he is out of options, he doesn't become a FA if he's removed from the 40 man. He would be DFA'ed which means he would be claimed by another team. You only become a FA if your parent teams releases you/non-tenders you. otherwise you need 6 years of service time.
I won't disagree except Green is on the 40 man and Montgomery isn't. So if Montgomery comes up he stays for the year, while Green is already on the 40 man and has options. They are not going to risk losing Montgomery on waivers; if permanently added to the 40 man, who will be let go?
Think Montgomery is in SWB because of the better competition to keep him sharp, while Green is in Trenton only to stay stretched out...
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with Green as a backup plan.
I won't disagree except Green is on the 40 man and Montgomery isn't. So if Montgomery comes up he stays for the year, while Green is already on the 40 man and has options. They are not going to risk losing Montgomery on waivers; if permanently added to the 40 man, who will be let go?
Think Montgomery is in SWB because of the better competition to keep him sharp, while Green is in Trenton only to stay stretched out...
They have a little bit of 40-man flexibility and Montgomery is going to come up sooner or later anyway. If he pitches well I bet the job is his.
Never knew that, that's awesome. From that to winning a World Series with the Yankees, pretty good career
I remember when he and Ellsbury were both prospects in the minors. Ellsbury got tons of hype, and Gardner was a total afterthought as a prospect, which I could never understand cause I always thought they were pretty much identical players. Ten years + later they have very similar lifetime WAR's. Gardner has made a hell of a career for himself.
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with Green as a backup plan.
I won't disagree except Green is on the 40 man and Montgomery isn't. So if Montgomery comes up he stays for the year, while Green is already on the 40 man and has options. They are not going to risk losing Montgomery on waivers; if permanently added to the 40 man, who will be let go?
Think Montgomery is in SWB because of the better competition to keep him sharp, while Green is in Trenton only to stay stretched out...
They have a little bit of 40-man flexibility and Montgomery is going to come up sooner or later anyway. If he pitches well I bet the job is his.
True and also, if he is added to the 40 man, he will then have options.
Just looked at the 40 man roster, you are right, there are at least a half dozen guys they could DFA'd to open a spot.
Good point. We had very little in the system 2-3 years ago...and he got overhyped as a result. He doesn't really even have a position. And his good hitting never continued to the MLB level, so where dies he really stand?
Exactly. That's why it will be interesting to see how he does if he goes to some place like Tampa or Oakland and gets a real chance to see with consistent AB's if he can stick in the majors, or will he be one of many AAAA players..
As many said I think Green is the favorite since he's already on the 40 man and is a bit more seasoned, but the Yankees can easily make room for Montgomery if needed.
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when you consider that he had to walk on at College of Charleston. It's a cool story - the first day of practice, the coach hadn't told the players who tried out as walk-ons who had made the team yet. However, Gardner showed up to the first practice anyway. Asked what he thought he was doing, Gardner told the coach that he knew he was good enough to be on the team.
I remember when he and Ellsbury were both prospects in the minors. Ellsbury got tons of hype, and Gardner was a total afterthought as a prospect, which I could never understand cause I always thought they were pretty much identical players. Ten years + later they have very similar lifetime WAR's. Gardner has made a hell of a career for himself.
If memory serves, Ellsbury hit well in the 2007 Series for the Red Sox, and has been overrated ever since
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[quote]It's looking more and more like Ref is one of those guys who seemed like a great prospect to us more because they had such a shitty farm system. He might be an okay utility guy at best[quote]
Good point. We had very little in the system 2-3 years ago...and he got overhyped as a result. He doesn't really even have a position. And his good hitting never continued to the MLB level, so where dies he really stand?
Exactly. That's why it will be interesting to see how he does if he goes to some place like Tampa or Oakland and gets a real chance to see with consistent AB's if he can stick in the majors, or will he be one of many AAAA players..
Yea - I think Ref is a good contact hitter and has a decent eye but his lack of power, speed, and position makes it tough for him to be a every day starter. I think he could make stick around as a 2B or SS but his defense isn't exactly spectacular at those positions either.
As for Ref's tools, power isn't the end-all be-all, but he had 14 HRs in 2014, 11 combined in 2015. He's not Brendan Ryan. And he's not a speed merchant but given regular reps he's probably a double-digit steals guy. He is, or at least was on track to be, a legit offensive prospect. Whether he can rebound from a couple disappointing seasons with a change of scenery remains to be seen.
As many said I think Green is the favorite since he's already on the 40 man and is a bit more seasoned, but the Yankees can easily make room for Montgomery if needed.
Torreyes is this season's JR Murphy. He will bat 150 until he gets released. Last season's batting was a jerk off. And keeping Kozma means their 9-hole will hit like like a pitcher for the first month.
It's obvious Jar Head pulled a Ralph Houk. He made up his mind before they reported to camp. I'm glad he and Rothchild are working in the last year of their contracts. But I am happy they went with Judge.
I like ref and think he will go elsewhere and b more productive than most believe