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NFT: Mets 3/30: Matz MRI negative. Wheeler makes rotation

Metnut : 3/30/2017 10:31 am
Matz isn't going to throw for 3 weeks but his MRI didn't show anything. Rotation will be Thor, DeGrom, Harvey, Wheeler and Gsellmen.

I would've rather had Wheeler in extended spring for tactical reasons and thought Lugo maybe deserved the job based on the nice work he did during the playoff run last year. Hopefully Wheeler is ready to go.
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RE: Lol  
pjcas18 : 3/30/2017 12:13 pm : link
In comment 13411915 DanMetroMan said:
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they let the bullpen catcher hit for the 51's and he singled off DeGrom.


Yesterday deGrom asked for an at-bat vs Thor in the intra-squad game. He struck him out on 3 pitches. Though deGrom bragged that he fouled one off.
RE: Yikes  
pjcas18 : 3/30/2017 12:14 pm : link
In comment 13411923 DanMetroMan said:
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the 51's are down Conforto, Lagares and Nimmo (+ Kelly) so their starting OF including Matt Reynolds, Travis Taijeron and Victor Cruzado. Really bizarre how few veterans they brought in for AA-AAA.


Where is Becerra starting? Bing?
RE: You really think he  
Shecky : 3/30/2017 12:16 pm : link
In comment 13411813 Metnut said:
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would've been claimed? Seems like better guys than him are being released.

I guess I havn't followed him much since the first few weeks of spring so maybe he's throwing harder and getting outs the past week.


100% would have been claimed, discussions.
DMM I read that Rafael Montero  
Rory : 3/30/2017 12:20 pm : link
has impressed enough to be considered for a bullpen role. Wonder if he would accept the long man spot of Lugo is needed as a starter.
RE: RE: Yikes  
DanMetroMan : 3/30/2017 12:21 pm : link
In comment 13411943 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13411923 DanMetroMan said:


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the 51's are down Conforto, Lagares and Nimmo (+ Kelly) so their starting OF including Matt Reynolds, Travis Taijeron and Victor Cruzado. Really bizarre how few veterans they brought in for AA-AAA.



Where is Becerra starting? Bing?


He wasn't even playing the field this spring (shoulder) but yeah once he's ready Bing. He only posted a .734 OPS in St. Lucie so he wasn't even a candidate to skip.
RE: DMM I read that Rafael Montero  
DanMetroMan : 3/30/2017 12:23 pm : link
In comment 13411959 Rory said:
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has impressed enough to be considered for a bullpen role. Wonder if he would accept the long man spot of Lugo is needed as a starter.


Some spanish speaking writer (it was tweeted in Spanish and I didn't even see it) apparently claimed Montero was told he made the team, the beat guys seem to think it's up in the air Lugo or Montero (the feeling was they would go with Montero if Wheeler made the rotation) but that was just a guess.
Harol  
DanMetroMan : 3/30/2017 12:23 pm : link
Gonzalez gave up the 3 homers in the third inning of the scrimmage. He's not skipping 3 levels so clearly they are rewarding him for hard work.
Bruce  
DanMetroMan : 3/30/2017 12:25 pm : link
takes DeGrom yard, Smoker getting... well smoked.
Where is Champ Stuart starting out?  
pjcas18 : 3/30/2017 12:29 pm : link
He's not a guy whose bat suggests he should skip Binghamton and I know he was there last year for part of the year so it wouldn't be a total skip.

But if you accept the fact he's already 24, he's not likely ever going to hit even as a major league regular, but his defense and base stealing are major league tools, then I can see him moving up to Vegas simply for the AAA experience and then be ready for a Sep 1 call up as a PR and defensive replacement. He's the kind of guy who could be sneaky valuable on a playoff roster.
RE: Where is Champ Stuart starting out?  
DanMetroMan : 3/30/2017 12:32 pm : link
In comment 13411984 pjcas18 said:
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He's not a guy whose bat suggests he should skip Binghamton and I know he was there last year for part of the year so it wouldn't be a total skip.

But if you accept the fact he's already 24, he's not likely ever going to hit even as a major league regular, but his defense and base stealing are major league tools, then I can see him moving up to Vegas simply for the AAA experience and then be ready for a Sep 1 call up as a PR and defensive replacement. He's the kind of guy who could be sneaky valuable on a playoff roster.


He said on instagram a few weeks ago he would be in Bing. They may have to reshuffle for a few weeks given the Conforto/Kelly/Nimmo/Lagares stuff but for now it looks like LV is going to be short handed. Might make sense to give Cecchini some OF reps but I doubt that's the case. Tebow time baby! lol
.  
pjcas18 : 3/30/2017 1:01 pm : link
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Abbey Mastracco‏ @AbbeyMastracco 48s48 seconds ago

TJ Rivera was basically in shock. Josh Smoker said he might have to try not to cry when he hears his name announced at Citi Field.
Is Matz headed to the DL  
Steve L : 3/30/2017 1:09 pm : link
? I would assume so.
RE: Is Matz headed to the DL  
DanMetroMan : 3/30/2017 1:53 pm : link
In comment 13412049 Steve L said:
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? I would assume so.


Yes
Stud  
DanMetroMan : 3/30/2017 2:03 pm : link
Josh Norris‏ @jnorris427 2m2 minutes ago
Vlad Jr, man. So impressive. Just pulverized a ball to dead center for a double. Turned around 96 like it was nothing.
does Niese  
spike : 3/30/2017 2:12 pm : link
or some FA vet want to sign up for a minor league contract as the 8th starter?
RE: does Niese  
DanMetroMan : 3/30/2017 2:13 pm : link
In comment 13412132 spike said:
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or some FA vet want to sign up for a minor league contract as the 8th starter?


Niese is supposedly dealing with a knee issue.
RE: RE: does Niese  
Victor in CT : 3/30/2017 2:15 pm : link
In comment 13412133 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13412132 spike said:


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or some FA vet want to sign up for a minor league contract as the 8th starter?



Niese is supposedly dealing with a knee issue.


Niese already signed a minor league deal with the Yankees
RE: Just  
spike : 3/30/2017 2:19 pm : link
In comment 13411841 DanMetroMan said:
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looked it up to make sure I wasn't talking out of my ass. Zack Wheeler (2014) threw the most pitches per inning (17.8) of any SP who threw at least 180 innings, wasn't particularly close, Danks was #2 17.0. So let's even assume his command is "back" right away. 17.8 pitches per inning means on average he's throwing 107 pitches just to go 6 innings.


Wheeler and Matz should piggyback each other for 9 innings.
RE: By mid-may they should really consider going to and committing to  
spike : 3/30/2017 2:23 pm : link
In comment 13411831 No Where Man said:
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a 6 man rotation. they have the talent, and their SP will all benefit from it.


Thats the way to go if they plan on a lengthy playoff run. The Mets have to budget their top starters innings and save some for October
Beltran  
DanMetroMan : 3/30/2017 2:26 pm : link
#5 hitter on a WS contender 6 seasons after we dealt him, who saw that coming?
None of the starters  
pjcas18 : 3/30/2017 2:26 pm : link
seem comfortable with a 6-man rotation and very few teams use one for any extended period of time.

And I don't think it's ever proven to help pitchers health and I doubt it helps with an innings limit.

Good for Carlos  
debo_GIANTS : 3/30/2017 2:27 pm : link
and his golden beard!
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 3/30/2017 2:32 pm : link
confident Carlos Beltran will be the next Met in the HOF. After that we will have quite a drought lol
RE: I'm  
Metnut : 3/30/2017 2:50 pm : link
In comment 13412156 DanMetroMan said:
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confident Carlos Beltran will be the next Met in the HOF. After that we will have quite a drought lol


Cespedes is next after he wins 2017 MVP and 2017 and 2018 world series MVP and puts up 6.0 WAR seasons 2017-2019.
RE: RE: I'm  
DanMetroMan : 3/30/2017 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13412179 Metnut said:
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In comment 13412156 DanMetroMan said:


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confident Carlos Beltran will be the next Met in the HOF. After that we will have quite a drought lol



Cespedes is next after he wins 2017 MVP and 2017 and 2018 world series MVP and puts up 6.0 WAR seasons 2017-2019.


Your lips to God's ears!:)
.  
DanMetroMan : 3/30/2017 2:52 pm : link
Dom and Rosario CONFIRMED for Vegas

Betsy Helfand‏ @betsyhelfand 2m2 minutes ago
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Travis Taijeron, Victor Cruzado and Jayce Boyd in the OF. Matt Reynolds will play some LF, 3B, SS, 2B. Kevin Plawecki behind the plate.
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Betsy Helfand‏ @betsyhelfand 3m3 minutes ago
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Phillip Evans, who led the Eastern League in hitting last year, will also join 51s, as well as Gavin Cecchini, who will play second.
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J-Rod returns  
DanMetroMan : 3/30/2017 2:55 pm : link
Betsy Helfand‏ @betsyhelfand 15s15 seconds ago
Former Mets farmhand INF Josh Rodriguez rejoined the org and is expected to rejoin the team in Las Vegas.
RE: J-Rod returns  
spike : 3/30/2017 2:57 pm : link
In comment 13412190 DanMetroMan said:
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Betsy Helfand‏ @betsyhelfand 15s15 seconds ago
Former Mets farmhand INF Josh Rodriguez rejoined the org and is expected to rejoin the team in Las Vegas.


32 year old career minor leaguer
RE: I'm  
spike : 3/30/2017 2:59 pm : link
In comment 13412156 DanMetroMan said:
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confident Carlos Beltran will be the next Met in the HOF. After that we will have quite a drought lol



lol will he be wearing a Mets hat or an Astros hat in the Hall? Or NYY?
So far-  
DanMetroMan : 3/30/2017 3:01 pm : link
Dom
Cecchini
Boscan
Rosario
Taijeron
Reynolds
Wilk
Knapp
Cruzado
Josh Rodriguez
Plawecki
Carrillo
Gilmartin
Hand
Evans
Boyd
Sewald  
DanMetroMan : 3/30/2017 3:06 pm : link
Bradford, 1 of Lugo or Montero
Unfortunate to hear about Matz.  
ZGiants98 : 3/30/2017 5:08 pm : link
Glad his MRI is negative though. Mildly surprised Wheeler made the rotation. If Matz makes it back in May I'm guessing Wheeler would still be the odd man out (making it easier to control his innings somewhere).

Guess we'll see.
Anybody know  
ZGiants98 : 3/30/2017 5:09 pm : link
Who's spot Ty Kelly took? David Wright 60 day DL? Familia suspension?
RE: Anybody know  
DanMetroMan : 3/30/2017 5:13 pm : link
In comment 13412351 ZGiants98 said:
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Who's spot Ty Kelly took? David Wright 60 day DL? Familia suspension?


There is no 60 day DL or suspended list until opening day. He won't be added until that time (taking Familia's spot)

Mets release Bryce Beeler (I thought he was a sleeper but couldn't get healthy) and Ty Williams
Thompson  
DanMetroMan : 3/30/2017 5:13 pm : link
3b and Guillorme SS for the Rumble Ponies
Ramos  
DanMetroMan : 3/30/2017 6:31 pm : link
to columbia
.  
DanMetroMan : 3/30/2017 6:35 pm : link
5th rounder @michaelpaezss joins @ColaFireflies, Carpio skipping a level? Ramos already in Columbia as well #Mets
.  
DanMetroMan : 3/30/2017 6:45 pm : link
@LasVegas51s rotation consists of Gilmartin, Knapp, Hand, Wilk and Montero or Lugo #Mets
RE: RE: Anybody know  
ZGiants98 : 3/30/2017 7:12 pm : link
In comment 13412357 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13412351 ZGiants98 said:


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Who's spot Ty Kelly took? David Wright 60 day DL? Familia suspension?



There is no 60 day DL or suspended list until opening day. He won't be added until that time (taking Familia's spot)

Mets release Bryce Beeler (I thought he was a sleeper but couldn't get healthy) and Ty Williams


Yeah apologies. I meant "taking" not took.
No  
DanMetroMan : 3/30/2017 7:13 pm : link
apologies necessary, wasn't trying to correct you
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spike : 3/30/2017 8:59 pm : link
In comment 13412401 DanMetroMan said:
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@LasVegas51s rotation consists of Gilmartin, Knapp, Hand, Wilk and Montero or Lugo #Mets


Slim pickings for backing up the ML rotation this season.
Someone please pass the K's  
spike : 3/30/2017 10:25 pm : link


#WeHungry

- From Syndegaard's twitter

Add Wheels!
Columbia so far  
DanMetroMan : 3/31/2017 9:23 am : link
Cone
Tebow
Dimino
Paez
Winningham (repeating)
Cerrone  
DanMetroMan : 3/31/2017 9:28 am : link
compared Lugo to Andrew Miller... yeah Andrew Miller arguably the most dominant reliever in baseball...
RE: Cerrone  
Shecky : 3/31/2017 9:37 am : link
In comment 13412701 DanMetroMan said:
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compared Lugo to Andrew Miller... yeah Andrew Miller arguably the most dominant reliever in baseball...

Clearly you are ignoring all the similarities
Both are lefty
Both were high draft picks
Both highly regarded prospects in the minors
Both traded for one of the best hitters in a generation
Both a failed starter - converted reliever
Both dominant closers
etc etc etc
RE: RE: Cerrone  
DanMetroMan : 3/31/2017 9:45 am : link
In comment 13412722 Shecky said:
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In comment 13412701 DanMetroMan said:


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compared Lugo to Andrew Miller... yeah Andrew Miller arguably the most dominant reliever in baseball...


Clearly you are ignoring all the similarities
Both are lefty
Both were high draft picks
Both highly regarded prospects in the minors
Both traded for one of the best hitters in a generation
Both a failed starter - converted reliever
Both dominant closers
etc etc etc


Lol you nailed it.

His quote in case people think I made it up

"Frankly, I still think he's uniquely capable of being a valuable reliever, along the lines of what Andrew Miller is to the Indians"
"Valuable reliever"  
Shecky : 3/31/2017 11:11 am : link
HAAAAA
Is Lugo also comparable to Vic Black  
Eric on Li : 3/31/2017 11:59 am : link
via the transitive property?
I  
DanMetroMan : 3/31/2017 12:02 pm : link
didn't see it myself but someone reminded me he also said Conforto was better than Harper (he later "apologized" for the comment).
Lugo's  
DanMetroMan : 3/31/2017 12:06 pm : link
arm fatigue does add to the anti-WBC argument.
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