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NFT: your childrens choice of vocation

snickers : 3/30/2017 12:30 pm
My wife and I were discussing our daughters career choice and were both again so surprised that she chose to be an accountant. We never saw this coming as we are both health professionals. We are not at all in business mode nor did we ever really discuss things at home related to being a CPA. Granted, we are very proud of her, as she did this all on her own but man what a surprise. Did your children surprise you with their choice of career or did you see early on that they were destined for this role in life? If you answer in the affirmative, what clues did they give you about their choice? Were there personality traits that gave it away?
mine plans to live at home forever  
YAJ2112 : 3/30/2017 12:39 pm : link
and maybe be a chef. But just for our house. She's still in K, so I'll give her another year or so to choose a career path.
Great discussion...  
Dan in the Springs : 3/30/2017 12:40 pm : link
my three sons showed some traits. My oldest was the boss of the family and always told his three brothers what to do. What did he choose? Policeman

My next son was always the strategist. He was the one you didn't want to go up against in Monopoly, and he always developed a long-term strategy for any game or situation he was in. He is studying accounting.

My third son is the fun-loving, active son. He never showed much of a sensitive side. However his girlfriend has a brother with down syndrome, and he's since become a very sensitive guy, but still with a fun-loving attitude. He decided to become a special-ed teacher.

My older daughter was a perfectionist, a planner, and a very hard worker. She's studying elementary education.

My younger daughter is still in high school. She's a lot like son #2 in that she always has a strategy. She's been clear for a few years now that she wants to go to law school.

Some surprises, but upon reflection, not too many either.
In order  
Maryland Giant : 3/30/2017 1:02 pm : link
...oldest daughter wants to be an engineer and a Submarine officer.

Son wants to be Marine ground or Army infantry before becoming a physicist.

Youngest daughter wants to be a ballerina, fashion model, interior decorator, and make up application artist. All at once.
My twin boys are 16  
Steve L : 3/30/2017 1:07 pm : link
One wants to be in marketing like his mom and dad.

The other has no clue. My guess is he will join the Marines as that's the only thing that he has consistently mentioned over the last few years. He doesn't seem sold on it though.
I can’t comment on the child portion of this,  
bigblue1124 : 3/30/2017 1:08 pm : link
Being we have none.

But when my wife and I got together 24 years ago she had just withdrawn from college because her heart was not in it. She was a semester away from a chemical engineering degree. Fast forward 5 years doing odds and ends jobs and owning a jewelry cart in a mall I finally talked her into returning to school and her choice was accounting. Fast forward to present time she is now a partner of one of the four largest accounting firms in the world, LOVES her job, and is making a difference for younger women & men being a mentor for college students.

The CPA is no picnic nor is an accounting degree. Most if not all big four firms require a masters degree simply to get a job. With that said I scratched my head when she decided this route years ago.

but hind sight being 20/20 it was the perfect move for her and not a day goes by I don’t think of how proud I am of her.



And more importantly she is happy and loves what she is doing.

OK my son is in college  
mdthedream : 3/30/2017 1:12 pm : link
to be a journalist. I really never saw that coming. Two years in he has changed his study to Education. Now that is something I thought he might do. Seeing his mother is a teacher and he is more of a family guy that loves sports and has interest in coaching. My daughter wants to be a engineer I don't see that she is more of a Lawyer type. That said if your kid is going to college more than most change Majors before they graduate.
Let go of  
well...bye TC : 3/30/2017 1:12 pm : link
the plans YOU made for your child and let him or her live their own life.You both will end up happier.
my daughter told me last week  
NoPeanutz : 3/30/2017 1:20 pm : link
she wants be a mermaid, she'll be four this summer.
Daughter knew early  
redwhiteandbigblue : 3/30/2017 1:34 pm : link
in high school she was interested in computers and video games. She went to a well known University in Boston and double majored in Computer Science and Video Game Design. She graduated a year ago and is working for a consortium of MIT and Harvard scientists as a Software Engineer in their Cancer Research Dept. She has also developed several video games that she hopes to partner with the Boston hospitals as teaching tools. Needless to say she has known what she wanted to do at a young age and stuck to it.
RE: mine plans to live at home forever  
RC02XX : 3/30/2017 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13411998 YAJ2112 said:
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and maybe be a chef. But just for our house. She's still in K, so I'll give her another year or so to choose a career path.


My daughter also wants to live with mommy forever, and she said I can live with them. I told her I'm going to kick her out at 18, and she looked at my wife with a look of horror. She's in K as well.

My daughter is dead set on being a zoologist. She reads through more NatGeo and other animal books (we read to her and she reads some to us) than I would have ever thought a little one her age would do.

My son, on the other hand, wants to be a digger (excavator). He's 2.5.
I always thought I'd be the parent  
UConn4523 : 3/30/2017 1:40 pm : link
that lets their kid pursue whatever they want, and not interfere unless it's something that can jeopardize their safety. I am still on that track.

I recently attended our national sales meeting which was in Nashville. One of our events was working with some Grammy nominated song writers to help "tell a story" through music. What stuck with me the most was in his intro he said that up until kindergarten all we do as parents is praise kids for anything they do with their imagination, which comes almost to a complete halt once they are in school. He stated that by the time kids start kindergarten only 10% of them will continue to think creatively/artistically. I'm not sure how accurate that figure is, but it seems close enough and is eye opening.

School is important, but I stopped being creative at a very young age and I've been paying for it ever since, IMO. I'm going to urge my now 19 month old so do whatever she wants to do and I'm going to try my hardest not to stress out about testing (within reason of course, I still want to raise a good student).
RE: Let go of  
RC02XX : 3/30/2017 2:07 pm : link
In comment 13412055 well...bye TC said:
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the plans YOU made for your child and let him or her live their own life.You both will end up happier.


While this is a wise advice, most parents like to feel that they know what is good for their kids. I definitely don't want my children to make the same mistakes I've made in life with regards to my career.

I will say though that while I would love my children to follow in my footsteps in terms of their careers, I also know that I would be worried sick if they did. And my wife is dead set against them following my career path.
My ten year old wants to be a marine biologist...  
Dunedin81 : 3/30/2017 2:23 pm : link
it wouldn't surprise me if she inclined toward a religious vocation though. Her best friend is a retired minister and chaplain and she prioritizes others to a considerable degree.
My son wants to be a plane  
spike : 3/30/2017 2:25 pm : link
not a pilot, but an actual airplane.

But he's only 4, so give him some time to reconsider.
RE: My ten year old wants to be a marine biologist...  
pjcas18 : 3/30/2017 2:25 pm : link
In comment 13412143 Dunedin81 said:
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it wouldn't surprise me if she inclined toward a religious vocation though. Her best friend is a retired minister and chaplain and she prioritizes others to a considerable degree.


Your ten year old's best friend is retired? How did that happen? Hit the lottery at 8? Or does your daughter have a 70-year old best friend.

not judging, just asking.

Daughter is in the 11th grade  
John in Loudoun : 3/30/2017 2:40 pm : link
She's wanted to be a lawyer since she was in middle school. I think she would actually make a terrific lawyer, but I'm not sure if she's really passionate about the field. Lately, she's mentioned applying for the Naval Academy or West Point and has begun looking into obtaining recommendations from our Senators and Rep. She's got the academics and tons of extracurricular activities. We haven't gotten her SAT scores yet, but we don't expect that to be an issue. For those that have graduated from one of the military academies...any words of wisdom would be gratefully received. My biggest concern is her physical abilities. She never played high school sports as she was in color guard. She's in decent shape and she's very strong mentally. In your opinion, how big does high school athletics and physical fitness play into acceptance and ultimately, performance in the academies?
My kids are still young but have ideals on what they want to do  
NYG27 : 3/30/2017 2:43 pm : link
My 13 year old girl loves to cook. She always likes watching these cooking shows like Master Chief and the ones on Food Network, so it's no surprise she want to be a chef.

My 10 year old son is gifted academically and wants to do something with science and looks up to Albert Einstein. Only thing my wife and I try to push him is to do more sports, as he has no interest in playing them. We just want him to be more active at his age.

My 8 year old son is gifted athletically and has excelled especially in soccer. His coaches want him on travel teams and playing year round but we have resisted so far and just having him play locally in the Fall and Spring leagues. Although he is just 8 years old, he has mentioned getting a college scholarship for playing soccer recently to us. Who knows what will happen the next 10 years or even if he still wants to play the sport but we'll support what he wants to do.

I just love how different all their personalities are.
RE: Daughter is in the 11th grade  
RC02XX : 3/30/2017 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13412166 John in Loudoun said:
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She's wanted to be a lawyer since she was in middle school. I think she would actually make a terrific lawyer, but I'm not sure if she's really passionate about the field. Lately, she's mentioned applying for the Naval Academy or West Point and has begun looking into obtaining recommendations from our Senators and Rep. She's got the academics and tons of extracurricular activities. We haven't gotten her SAT scores yet, but we don't expect that to be an issue. For those that have graduated from one of the military academies...any words of wisdom would be gratefully received. My biggest concern is her physical abilities. She never played high school sports as she was in color guard. She's in decent shape and she's very strong mentally. In your opinion, how big does high school athletics and physical fitness play into acceptance and ultimately, performance in the academies?


While I'm not sure what the application process is these days since I applied back in 1998, the first thing she needs to figure out and be sure is whether she wants to devote 5+ years in the military, especially if it's during times of war. I've seen a number of midshipmen (Naval Academy here) and my brother has seen number of cadets (West Point for him), who spent their first two years hating life and then transferring out of the academies before they had to make the long commitment (first month of Junior year).

As far as physical fitness goes, there is actually a fitness program that the Naval Academy provides you that you can follow. Basically it involves being able to run 1.5 miles, doing pushups, and situps (more like crunches)...and being able to sit and touch your toes since the Naval Academy does their fitness test by Navy standards.

Lastly, you want to start yelling at your daughter for absolutely no rhyme or reason and make her do a lot of time wasting stupid shit so she can prepare for plebe summer and year...;) That's a joke, of course.

Maryland Giant's daughter is about to finish her first year (plebe year), so I'm sure he can provide more recent experience with application process and plebe year.
As far as high school athletics go...  
RC02XX : 3/30/2017 3:12 pm : link
She doesn't necessarily have to have lettered, but they do put premium on high school athletics. They also put premium on any kind of a leadership positions (school counsel, band, etc.) that the applicants may have held.

A sizeable number of new midshipmen are those, who could not get into the academy on their first try and were instead offered spots in the preparatory school for a year. The rest have a pretty decent high school academic, sports, and extracurricular records as well as outside of school extracurricular records.
This is a good place to start for USNA - ( New Window )
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Del Shofner : 3/30/2017 3:13 pm : link
We ended up with one healthcare executive, one lawyer and one who can't tell us what he does, except we know it involves national security. No complaints. They all seem happy with their chosen careers, which is the main thing. All three had a general idea what they wanted to do by the time they were in their teens, and stuck with it.
John in Loudon  
Maryland Giant : 3/30/2017 3:24 pm : link
I could provide a ton of information about the application process for USNA, but for now, if she is seriously considering applying, she should go to the USNA website and apply for Summer Seminar. SHE SHOULD DO THIS TODAY AS THE APPLICATION DEADLINE IS TOMORROW. The application can be completed online in a few minutes plus a short essay I think. Summer Seminar is specifically for 11th graders that are considering the Academy and if she is selected she will spend a week at USNA in June and learn about life at the Academy. This is her one chance to apply for this.

Here's the most important part though...whether she is selected for Summer Seminar or not, the application for Summer Seminar also serves as the beginning of her application for USNA and the website will set forth everything she needs to do going forward to apply.

As an aside, tell her not to be disappointed if she does not get selected for Summer Seminar as the process is very geographically and demographically driven and is a recruiting tool for USNA.

So, below is the link for Summer Seminar and I am also including the web address for a forum where all issues related to the application process at USNA are discussed.

Finally, as for athletics, the USNA has an athletic culture in general, and all candidates are required to meet certain levels of physical fitness, and Plebe Summer can be a physical grind. So, while being athletic and demonstrating leadership in sports is very attractive to the Academy, make no mistake, there is NO requirement that you be a high school athlete. What they are really looking for is bright kids with leadership potential.

Good Luck!

USNA FORUM LINK:
https://www.serviceacademyforums.com/index.php?forums/naval-academy-usna.6/
USNA Summer Seminar Link---Application Deadline March 31st - ( New Window )
RE: RE: My ten year old wants to be a marine biologist...  
Dunedin81 : 3/30/2017 3:39 pm : link
In comment 13412148 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13412143 Dunedin81 said:


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it wouldn't surprise me if she inclined toward a religious vocation though. Her best friend is a retired minister and chaplain and she prioritizes others to a considerable degree.



Your ten year old's best friend is retired? How did that happen? Hit the lottery at 8? Or does your daughter have a 70-year old best friend.

not judging, just asking.


Friend from church, he's 94. She was very close with his wife before she passed away.
RE: Daughter knew early  
Suburbanites : 3/30/2017 3:52 pm : link
In comment 13412083 redwhiteandbigblue said:
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in high school she was interested in computers and video games. She went to a well known University in Boston and double majored in Computer Science and Video Game Design. She graduated a year ago and is working for a consortium of MIT and Harvard scientists as a Software Engineer in their Cancer Research Dept. She has also developed several video games that she hopes to partner with the Boston hospitals as teaching tools. Needless to say she has known what she wanted to do at a young age and stuck to it.


Congratulations, sounds like she's doing awesome.
We'll Im hoping for  
Deej : 3/30/2017 3:55 pm : link
trust fund baby.
The nature of work has changed a lot  
Bluenatic : 3/30/2017 3:57 pm : link
The days of studying to enter a specific field and working in that field until retirement is mostly a thing of the past now. These days work is more fluid. People who possess broad skills can apply them across multiple industries over the course of a career.
Thanks Suburbanites.  
redwhiteandbigblue : 3/30/2017 4:00 pm : link
Couldn't be prouder of her.
Rule #1  
Trainmaster : 3/30/2017 4:18 pm : link
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I believe an important duty of parents  
LAXin : 3/30/2017 4:20 pm : link
is to NOT allow kids to make important life decisions (entirely) on their own too early, as in, when they are on their parents' pay roll.

Kids will surely be outraged as if their unalienable rights were violated:
"How do you know what's best for me!!??"

We don't know what's the best, of course. But good parents do have a strong sense of what's the worse for their kids, and if kids are allowed to choose on their own, too often they end up choosing exactly the worst possible option/path.
The task of parents...  
Dunedin81 : 3/30/2017 4:24 pm : link
is to get their children to the point at which they are competent to make good decisions without their having made crippling bad decisions first. Anything else is just gravy.
Weird this thread came up now.  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 3/30/2017 4:32 pm : link
Just got back from Fort Wayne IN to relocate my son. He's a biomedical engineer and just landed a contract job with Zimmer Biomet. Damn that's long ways away. Miss him already!
Dune  
Maryland Giant : 3/30/2017 4:33 pm : link
I always tell my kids, that I consider my responsibility as a parent to deliver the (insert age of minor) year old version of you to the 21 year old version of you intact and to do it in such a way that the 30 year old version of you thanks me.

They look at me like I have two heads but I believe this is a good guiding principle and provides moral and ethical authority for saying "No."
RE: The task of parents...  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 3/30/2017 4:38 pm : link
In comment 13412305 Dunedin81 said:
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is to get their children to the point at which they are competent to make good decisions without their having made crippling bad decisions first. Anything else is just gravy.


Well said!
We raised our children  
Gman11 : 3/30/2017 5:02 pm : link
to become independent and damned if they didn't do exactly that.
Ronnie and Maryland Giant  
John in Loudoun : 3/30/2017 5:04 pm : link
Thank you both for the invaluable information. I will definitely speak with my daughter about this. She's done really well academically, but what impresses most is her involvement with leadership programs(HOBY, SCA, American Legion to name a few). BBI comes through with the goods again.
What you can do  
mdthedream : 3/31/2017 7:36 am : link
is have them experience the profession. Like engineering take some summer classes and see if it is something they really like. No one is saying make the decision for your kid but that decision can be very costly with colleges cost 60k a year.
USNA Summer Seminar  
John in Loudoun : 3/31/2017 9:04 am : link
Daughter completed the application. I imagine, it'll be very difficult since the pool of applicants from this area (NoVA) will be pretty large. We'll know more on the 15th of April. Thanks again for the info.
John  
Maryland Giant : 3/31/2017 9:38 am : link
Good Job!

I want to emphasize that getting into Summer Seminar is very difficult and not for the reasons you might think. As you point out, her geography is not helpful. However, her gender is. Beyond that, it can feel arbitrary. I actually think when filling out the Summer STEM application it can be a disadvantage to articulate TOO much knowledge about USNA or TOO much enthusiasm, because they may view that kid as a certain applicant. And, since this is a recruiting tool, they may tend to offer it to kids that appear to be on the fence.

Crazy from an application standpoint, but the important thing for you is that her name is now in the system, her application to USNA is started, and she is now in a position to start getting organized and move forward.

Please feel free to ask any questions about the application process. It is tedious, lengthy, and generates a lot of attrition. If she follows it to the conclusion, her odds of getting in are greater than you may otherwise think.

GOOD LUCK!
RE: USNA Summer Seminar  
RC02XX : 3/31/2017 10:25 am : link
In comment 13412661 John in Loudoun said:
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Daughter completed the application. I imagine, it'll be very difficult since the pool of applicants from this area (NoVA) will be pretty large. We'll know more on the 15th of April. Thanks again for the info.


While I understand that you said your daughter is interested in either Annapolis or West Point, I would also recommend her look into the other service academies as well. Air Force Academy, Coast Guard Academy, and Merchant Marine Academy (section125 is a grad) are also great institutions. Now, if she has a specific service she wants to join, then I understand, but if it's more about an opportunity to attend one of the service academies, I would cast a wide net.

My first point stands though. I hope that your daughter (as well as you and your wife) has really thought about what a life in the military means and whether she really wants to devote nine-plus years to being in a rigid and often male-dominated institution. My intention is definitely not to scare you or your daughter, but many join the military (either enlist or through the academies) without fully considering all of the pros and cons. I've known many, who suffered through the academies and eventually departed (a class normally lost 5-10% between start of Plebe Summer and start of Junior year during my time). I've also known many officers, who suffered through their military obligations post-commissioning and either just count down the time until their end of active service so they could then go into the civilian world and use their credentials (nothing wrong with that per se) often performing poorly as officers and doing injustice to their enlisted subordinates while perpetuating the less than favorable stereotype of service academy grads.
While I don't want to take away from the benefits of  
RC02XX : 3/31/2017 10:27 am : link
attending Summer Seminar, vast majority of those accepted to the academy don't attend Summer Seminar. So if she doesn't get in, it's not that big of a deal as long as she has her name in the system as Maryland Giants stated.
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