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Who did u draft 1-3 for Chicago? I assume Elliot RD1..
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Last year we might have possibly won the BBI mock draft with THREE picks taken in the first round of the actual NFL draft, including ROTY Ezekiel Elliott.
Who did u draft 1-3 for Chicago? I assume Elliot RD1..
Elliott, Ifedi and Keanu Neal
Joey Bosa
Hunter Henry
Dak Prescott
The Pack's GM did not do well last year with his first three picks. I picked Reggie Ragland, Austin Johnson and Jerell Adams. Both Ragland and Adams went a lot later than where I got them. And, Ragland got hurt to top it off. Not a good showing by me.
No trades allowed
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I feel like a safety at #2 is way way way to high!
I feel like a safety at #2 is way way way to high!
No QB is worth the 2nd overall pick. Kizer, Mahomes, or Trubisky might be there by the time of their 2nd Round pick. BPA at #2 was definitely defense
59. Kansas City (English Alaister) - *Pharoh Cooper, WR, South Carolina
126. Kansas City (English Alaister) - *Paul Perkins, RB, UCLA
162. Kansas City (English Alaister) from Sea – Parker Ehinger, OG, Cincinnati
165. Kansas City (English Alaister) – Blake Martinez, ILB, Stanford
203. Kansas City (English Alaister) – Deon Bush, FS, Miami (Fla.)
Jackson III has great buzz before a pectoral injury ruined his year. Cooper was a disappointment but I got Parker Ehinger who actually was taken by the Chiefs 57 spots higher and started for 5 games, I got Perkins who looked good, Deon Bush 80 spots later than he went where he started 6 games for the Bears and I got Martinez 30 spots before he went and he got 70 tackles for the Pack.
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the ball for the 49ers.
I feel like a safety at #2 is way way way to high!
No QB is worth the 2nd overall pick. Kizer, Mahomes, or Trubisky might be there by the time of their 2nd Round pick. BPA at #2 was definitely defense
Highly unlikely Mahomes or Trubisky get out of the top 15.
59. Kansas City (English Alaister) - *Pharoh Cooper, WR, South Carolina
126. Kansas City (English Alaister) - *Paul Perkins, RB, UCLA
162. Kansas City (English Alaister) from Sea – Parker Ehinger, OG, Cincinnati
165. Kansas City (English Alaister) – Blake Martinez, ILB, Stanford
203. Kansas City (English Alaister) – Deon Bush, FS, Miami (Fla.)
Jackson III has great buzz before a pectoral injury ruined his year. Cooper was a disappointment but I got Parker Ehinger who actually was taken by the Chiefs 57 spots higher and started for 5 games, I got Perkins who looked good, Deon Bush 80 spots later than he went where he started 6 games for the Bears and I got Martinez 30 spots before he went and he got 70 tackles for the Pack.
I think you mean you got Martinez 30 (actually 34) picks after he went. Nice job, except for Cooper and maybe jumping the gun on Perkins.
028. William Jackson III, CB, Houston [Actual: 024 - CIN]
059. *Pharoh Cooper, WR, South Carolina [Actual: 117 - RAM]
126. *Paul Perkins, RB, UCLA [Actual: 149 - NYG]
162. Parker Ehinger, OG, Cincinnati [Actual:105 - KAN]
165. Blake Martinez, ILB, Stanford [Actual: 131 - GNB]
203. Deon Bush, FS, Miami (Fla.) [Actual: 124 - CHI]
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‪So here's the deal: Ravens traded DT Tim Jernigan and third-round pick (No. 99) for Eagles third-round pick (No. 74), per source.‬
Now I have one more need to fill :(
Jags have zero solid running backs. Fournette could be the next AP, can't pass that up. Their wide receivers are solid, so no need to draft one this high.
And I want pick 74 because of the Timmy Jernigan deal since we are nowhere near that point yet
I think they would go defense, or possibly QB.
I think they would go defense, or possibly QB.
They ranked 23rd in rushing last year. Yeldon and Ivory isn't scaring anyone. I thought about Thomas but I can see him being a bust. No way the Jags would go the QB route with their first pick. If they struggle this year, then they'll be able to grab a stud QB in a much stronger class next year.
Really? TC loves a power running game, and Fournette will be one of the best power running backs in the NFL immediately. Moreover, the Bags have a lot of talent on defense already, a QB that still has a pretty good ceiling, and very good receivers but are desperate for a good running attack. Fournette gives them that. I can't see any scenario where I get away from Fournette to the Bags.
So the 3rd Round order will reflect any trades involving 3rd round or later picks at the time 3rd Round starts? Just wanted to confirm, because if I have pick 99 rather than pick 74 that does alter my calculations about certain positions being available at certain points
Why, yes. Yes they do.
Now maybe he would go OJ Howard, to address some of the blocking and give Bortles another receiving option. Kills 2 birds with one stone.
I could see them taking OL in the second because that's where the value is.
Kevin's pick makes more sense in that context.
Me either. It doesn't take that long to periodically check BBI on your phone to see what pick we are up to now that the thread is pinned at the top of the board.
Henderson alone was scary
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but surprised we're only four picks in. Matt was kind enough to send us all emails...
Me either. It doesn't take that long to periodically check BBI on your phone to see what pick we are up to now that the thread is pinned at the top of the board.
With Delanie Walker turning 33 years old in August and only signed till next year, OJ Howard would be the perfect compliment. Both Walker and Howard would be killer for two TE formations and giving Marcus Mariota more weapons in the passing game.
Didn't consider QB at all?
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on the board, but Lattimore is a no brainer here. With Revis gone and holes all over, the Jets get a young, lock down corner who can be a cornerstone of that D for 10 years.
Didn't consider QB at all?
Not even a little bit. Think I'll have a good chance of someone in the 2nd.
Definitely value over need here.
Definitely value over need here.
Makes sense depending on how you had both of them ranked. I personally don't have Thomas on a higher tier than Hooker, but if you do I can see why you did what you did.
On a separate matter, hopefully we can pick up the pace a bit.
If there is someone I can send my picks to just in case FatMan doesnt make his in the next two hours, pleas let me know...
Thanks
I was afraid that Cincy would take Williams to pair with Green but in the end I get my man!!! Welcome to Buffalo Mike Williams!!!
Do like Marc Ross and flip a coin. Or have Mara make a pick from the Kentucky Derby.
and that's Hooker. Kid has unbelievable, range, instincts and ball skills. I can't wait to see this kid as a pro. Didn't play a whole lot at OSU, but my goodness can he do it all. The first step in turning around Cleveland's abysmal pass defense.
I think what you need more is insurance if anything should happen to David Johnson. Or you can throw darts. :)
Interesting thing about this draft is that there are some good teams who need a QB...
Arizona, Denver, Houston. Arguably NYG, Pittsburgh, KC, New Orleans
Interesting thing about this draft is that there are some good teams who need a QB...
Arizona, Denver, Houston. Arguably NYG, Pittsburgh, KC, New Orleans
I am the GM for Pittsburg... I might be interested in the top QB if he is still there especially because Ben Roethlisberger is threatening retirement.
Ultimately went with Corey Davis as I may be able to get a QB later on
sorry mike for taking your guy :)
Ultimately went with Corey Davis as I may be able to get a QB later on
sorry mike for taking your guy :)
He was on my short list (along with Hooker) when I posted that there were 4 names on my list. Hooker-Player X-Davis-Player Y
I really thought about taking Dalvin Cook, but the off field stuff is scary.
I really thought about taking Dalvin Cook, but the off field stuff is scary.
Drafting a whole bunch of fast WR's and nothing else will do that to you. Nice pick with Humphrey though. Had the 4 highest rated players on my board gone in the 4 picks before mine then my fallback was probably going to be Humphrey
I really thought about taking Dalvin Cook, but the off field stuff is scary.
My question to you is if you knew he would be the pro that Jackrabbit has become (remember he dropped in the draft due to off the field issues, and has not had any issues since joining the league [knock on wood]) would you still not pick Cook?
Why take the risk when there are similarly talented players without the baggage also available?
I might do that anyway!
May I suggest the 47th ranked kicker?
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just making a final choice here
May I suggest the 47th ranked kicker?
With all of the injuries to Long Snappers lately, that would be more helpful.
Then coming around with my 18th overall pick to address the defense with perhaps the most athletically gifted pass rusher in the draft with Haason Reddick!
Nice work by all GMs so far. Hard to argue with any of the picks, though I'm not sure I understand CiP's logic with Conley over Humphrey.
Apparently, Dalvin Cook at 23 isn't so far-fetched after all. Does he offer enough "special" for NYG to look past his medical and legal issues if he's still on the board?
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I will be out of pocket this weekend.
I do not think it means what they think it means.
Nice work by all GMs so far. Hard to argue with any of the picks, though I'm not sure I understand CiP's logic with Conley over Humphrey.
Apparently, Dalvin Cook at 23 isn't so far-fetched after all. Does he offer enough "special" for NYG to look past his medical and legal issues if he's still on the board?
I think the Eagles view Conley as a higher upside guy, he's been skyrocketing up charts, and there is a lot of smoke around here about them being very interested in him. Like I said, when I have a handful of choices I try to do what I think the team would really do.
Seriously, though - all of the top linemen in this class seem to have issues that would justify steering clear of them in the first half of Round One. Do you see the next Tyron Smith on the board?
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OL are almost always undervalued. I fall into some great picks almost every year (Unger, Solder, Frederick, Iupati, Collins*, Stanley, etc). Looks like I will have my pick of top OL's again despite the teams yet to pick having a clear need at OL.
Good old Andy, blowing smoke to distract us from his inability to resist a Miami TE if the draft gods offer one up at #23.
Seriously, though - all of the top linemen in this class seem to have issues that would justify steering clear of them in the first half of Round One. Do you see the next Tyron Smith on the board?
I think Bolles has that upside. If not for the fact that the Ravens took Stanley at #6 last year and the fact that Barnett was there with my pick, Bolles would have merited serious consideration for the Ravens.
That's the direction I went with my Titans selections.
I was thinking that as well. No way do the Jets come up to pick with all the Qbs on the board and not chose the top rated guy. That's just how they would pick because they are clueless.
Agree!
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OL are almost always undervalued. I fall into some great picks almost every year (Unger, Solder, Frederick, Iupati, Collins*, Stanley, etc). Looks like I will have my pick of top OL's again despite the teams yet to pick having a clear need at OL.
Good old Andy, blowing smoke to distract us from his inability to resist a Miami TE if the draft gods offer one up at #23.
Seriously, though - all of the top linemen in this class seem to have issues that would justify steering clear of them in the first half of Round One. Do you see the next Tyron Smith on the board?
I think Bolles has that upside. If not for the fact that the Ravens took Stanley at #6 last year and the fact that Barnett was there with my pick, Bolles would have merited serious consideration for the Ravens.
You may like Bolles in the top half of the first round, and that's fine, but very few mocks would have him gone by now. I don't see anything happening in this draft to O Linemen that isn't reflected in almost all credible online mocks I've seen
Then coming around with my 18th overall pick to address the defense with perhaps the most athletically gifted pass rusher in the draft with Haason Reddick!
Damn you! I wanted Reddick at 19. Great pick buddy.
Damn you! I wanted Reddick at 19. Great pick buddy.
So I went back to look at the combine for both Reddick and Garrett. What freak athletes in totally different bodies.
Event (Pos. Rank) MG HR
Ht- 6'4" | 6'1"
Wt- 272 | 237
Arms- 35 1/4" | 32 3/4
40- 4.64(5) | 4.52(1)
Vert- 41(1) | 36.5(3)
Broad- 10'8"(2) | 11'1"(1)
Bench- 33(2) | 24(<15)
S-Shuttle- - | 4.37(10)
3-cone- - | 7.01(7)
Those are some damned explosive athletes. It doesn't look like Garrett did the shuttles or 3 cone. I'd be curious about his results at that size.
New coach Vance Joseph is implementing more of a power blocking scheme, so Ramczyk is a better fit than Bolles. We see Bolles as a better fit for a team that uses a zone blocking scheme.
BTW, Ramczyk is a good pick for Denver. The question there is whether any member of the 2017 QB class would offer a likely upgrade over Siemian/Lynch.
BTW, Ramczyk is a good pick for Denver. The question there is whether any member of the 2017 QB class would offer a likely upgrade over Siemian/Lynch.
Oh, but what an incompletion!
It was a tough choice between McKinley and Njoku. I like McKinley over Charlton because of upside.
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This is shaping up to be a no brainer when my pick comes around
Don't count your Trubiskies just yet, Houston. Miami can move on from Tannehill pretty painlessly in 2018.
True, but still plenty of options at my positionS of need.
Great Pick.. best one so far IMO
There are a number of players who I would probably rank similarly still on the board. Not sure Andy can go wrong with any of them.
2. San Francisco - S Jamal Adams
3. Chicago - DL Jonathan Allen out of Alabama )
4. Jacksonville - Leonard Fournette,RB, LSU
5. Tennessee - TE O'Terrius Jabari "O.J." Howard, Alabama
6. New York Jets - Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio State
7. Los Angeles Chargers - DL Solomon Thomas
8. Carolina - John Ross, WR Washington
9. Cincinnati - Jabrill Peppers, SS, Michigan
10. Buffalo - MIKE WILLIAMS WR Clemson
11. New Orleans - LB Reuben Foster
12. Cleveland - Malik Hooker, FS, Ohio State
13. Arizona - WR, Corey Davis, Western Michigan
14. Philadelphia - CB Gareon Conley, The Ohio State University
15. Indianapolis - CB Marlon Humphrey out of Alabama
16. Baltimore - DEREK BARNETT/EDGE/TENNESSEE
17. Washington - HB - Christian McCaffery - Stanford
18. Tennessee - DE/LB Haason Reddick, Temple
19. Tampa Bay - OLB Takkarist McKinley, OLB UCLA
20. Denver - Ryan Ramczyk, OT, Wisconsin
21. Detroit - Dalvin Cook, RB, FSU
22. Miami - Forrest Lamp, OG, Western Kentucky
23. New York Giants __________)
QB?
TE?
OL?
CB?
Mahomes over Trubisky? Come on man!
Wish he was available at 23. If we said he was a top 10 pick 6 months ago, no one would have been surprised.
Back to reality...
BPA on most draftnik boards would be Trubisky: #12 on CBS, #11 on GBN, #10 on nfl.com). After that, there's Watson Watson (17/17/35), Njoku (20/24/13), Charlton (24/26/12) and McDowell (23/31/17), among others.
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That's the biggest surprise to me in this mock so far.
Wish he was available at 23. If we said he was a top 10 pick 6 months ago, no one would have been surprised.
In the actual draft I think he's on the board when the Giants pick.
Honestly, it's a good pick, though I'd have taken Charlton.
But thats my TV if Cook falls into the 20s but not to the GMen.
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Andy can't resist a Miami TE when he sees one... aint that right Andy!
Hey! I was just ahead of my time... now the Patriots use the 2TE sets to great success. Or something like that.
Where do you think Belichek got the idea... He was like damn... Andy knows what's up!
Who knows as they may prefer the local guy in Pat Mahomes Jr. or the more pro ready Deshaun Watson. There are plenty of other non-QB's who would make sense for Houston although I will refrain from naming names as some of them are players I like!
The other pick I was looking at was LT Bolles. It isn't so much his age that bothers me, but that he needs to really work on his strength. I don't think I could put him at RT this year and have him be as successful as Cam Robinson would be. However, long term Bolles would have taken over for Penn in a year or 2 so I am probably making a mistake. Bolles has great feet and if he was 23 with a little more time working on his strength he is a top 10 pick easy.
Cam Robinson is either underrated, being knocked down because of Fluker, or the criminal stuff is scaring people away. If he gets a hold of you... you are going for a ride!
The other pick I was looking at was LT Bolles. It isn't so much his age that bothers me, but that he needs to really work on his strength. I don't think I could put him at RT this year and have him be as successful as Cam Robinson would be. However, long term Bolles would have taken over for Penn in a year or 2 so I am probably making a mistake. Bolles has great feet and if he was 23 with a little more time working on his strength he is a top 10 pick easy.
Cam Robinson is either underrated, being knocked down because of Fluker, or the criminal stuff is scaring people away. If he gets a hold of you... you are going for a ride!
Robinson scares me because the footwork is sloppy like Flowers. He can overpower guys in college, but that won't work in the NFL. Also has concerns about effort.
Trubisky was an easy choice. Texans don't need Rodgers, Farve, Young or Brees; They need a Simms. Consistant and a competitor. A guy who is even-keeled.
King wouldn't have to go far from college. He also has allowed only 1 TD in the past 28 games with none given up last year.
KC is on the clock
King wouldn't have to go far from college. He also has allowed only 1 TD in the past 28 games with none given up last year.
KC is on the clock
King does seem like someone the Seahawks would target and makes sense late in Round 1. I also thought the UConn S would be someone that Seattle could target. Now with KC up it will be interested to see if they grab Mahomes or Watson and let that QB sit behind Alex Smith, add some youth at LB with Charlton, Cunningham, and Davis all on the board, or go in a totally different direction.
Cunningham gives the Chiefs an athletic play-making LB to take over from Derrick Johnson and let Houston worry about going forward.
Williams is a pass rusher, but the off field questions concern me
I do... Trubisky #1 and Kizer #2...
5th year option on a QB was an important factor for this selection as well...
Let him sit behind Brees and soak up all the knowledge
I like your draft so far for Cleveland
T guidance they could have had a threesome of Derek Carr, Allen Robinson and Jeremy Hill. But oh well
Best Value: Taco Charlton, pick 28 to Dallas. Maybe I think more of him than most, but he had a really great year and there aren't many guys with his combo of size/speed/power in this draft. I would think a team would be thrilled to get a guy like him that late.
Biggest Reach: With all due respect, just my opinion, but Takk McKinley to the Bucs at 19. Impressive athlete, but has very little feel for the game or skills other than raw ability. In the Sunday league he won't be able to get by on natural skills, and I don't see him making an impact until he learns some moves and techniques he should have learned by now.
Biggest Surprise: Jabrill Peppers to the Bengals at pick 9. That's really high for a safety, but even more surprising that his position might not really be set yet. He only has one career interception. As a GM I'd have a hard time hanging my hat on a guy that can do a lot of things pretty well, but is probably most admired as a kick returner.
Sorry if that sounded negative, all the GMs are doing a great job - just my initial reactions
Again I really hope I am wrong because he is someone you can root for.
Again I really hope I am wrong because he is someone you can root for.
He's definitely not without warts but I'm not worried about his arm strength. He can make throws. In a wset coast offense, with his movement skills and intangibles he could be good. Most of these kids today run up tempo offenses, some more gimmicky than others. they all have some learning to do. Mahomes especially on that front . He also has a lot more games played and wins than Trubisky.. happy to get a player like him in the 2nd after two defensive studs.
We are very excited to have Pat sit behind Brian Hoyer and learn the NFL game.
Happy to see him pushed down after the run on QB's. Jags are excited to potentially have two starters on the offensive side of the ball with their first two picks.
Happy to see him pushed down after the run on QB's. Jags are excited to potentially have two starters on the offensive side of the ball with their first two picks.
Figured you would go for Bolles or one of the LB's available. Bolles should not have been around at this point.
Happy to see him pushed down after the run on QB's. Jags are excited to potentially have two starters on the offensive side of the ball with their first two picks.
I wanted him for the Bears. Bears have no good OTs so Bolles would've been perfect for them. Still, I'm happy with Tre'Davious White who I project to be a future starter at CB but at they very least can be a fantastic nickel right away.
As for the reach. I'll probably eat these words because Chris in Philly always does a great job but I thought Conley went a little high.
Maybe he will respond to e-mail
As for the reach. I'll probably eat these words because Chris in Philly always does a great job but I thought Conley went a little high.
NGd, I agree on Hooker. I see him as a rare prospect at FS. Unreal instincts, range and ball skills. I didn't expect him to be available at 12, no brainer for me.
So Foreman is the guy - but probably about 20 picks too early. Same with Ross in the 1st - but they now have two playmakers.
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I'm a big hooker guy. I think you can coach up his tackling issues and the guy just has a nose for the ball and great closing speed.
As for the reach. I'll probably eat these words because Chris in Philly always does a great job but I thought Conley went a little high.
NGd, I agree on Hooker. I see him as a rare prospect at FS. Unreal instincts, range and ball skills. I didn't expect him to be available at 12, no brainer for me.
Landing Garrett and Hooker is amazing. For a Browns draft that is loaded with picks, that's still a crazy haul. Add Watson at 33...
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I'm a big hooker guy. I think you can coach up his tackling issues and the guy just has a nose for the ball and great closing speed.
As for the reach. I'll probably eat these words because Chris in Philly always does a great job but I thought Conley went a little high.
NGd, I agree on Hooker. I see him as a rare prospect at FS. Unreal instincts, range and ball skills. I didn't expect him to be available at 12, no brainer for me.
Landing Garrett and Hooker is amazing. For a Browns draft that is loaded with picks, that's still a crazy haul. Add Watson at 33...
You could have 3 game 1 starters in youfirst 3 picks. We know Garrett and Hooker will start.
Bet the Browns real life picks will disappoint in some way.
Well Frank Underwood to you Chris. Dawkins was supposed to help protect Joe Flacco.
It's landing Hooker that puts it over the top. Hooker is a top 3-5 talent. Watson at 33 is also a huge value.
Like I said, even with all the picks, these particular ones are impressive.
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and pick up a versatile bruiser to help protect Carson Wentz. The OL is in need of a rebuild and this guy is where we begin. He'll be a dominant guard, but he'll be tried outside as well to see where he fits best at the next level. Once he has his position, he's a ten year starter.
Well Frank Underwood to you Chris. Dawkins was supposed to help protect Joe Flacco.
Makes sense. We just hired Joe Douglas to help run the draft so our draft boards must be similar!
It really is amazing how Temple has blossomed with real prospects. I hope they can keep it up post-Ruhle.
After talking to Dr Robert Anderson who performed Jones's surgery, and to our own medical staff, we a confident that this young man will return to play at a high level. We will not rush him back and will announce the singing of a FA Cb to fill in for this season.
We are building for the future not just 2017. Its not often you can get a first round top 10 player in rd 2. He is worth the chance.
Glad to see that I was not the only one thinking Jones in rd 2 is worth it
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And Sidney Jones for Arizona
Glad to see that I was not the only one thinking Jones in rd 2 is worth it
I considered him as well. He won't slip too far. He's too good...
Just send your two picks (in order to MattG) if you are not able then he can make it based on the order and if both are there.
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Have narrowed my list down to 2 players so I should be good no matter who Indianapolis selects. That being said, have a new client scheduled to come in at 11 and if one my colleagues has not arrived by then I may be stuck having to start that so I will be a little delayed with my pick if GoTerps takes the entire allotted time
Just send your two picks (in order to MattG) if you are not able then he can make it based on the order and if both are there.
I would except for the fact that the second guy on my list is someone I probably like more than the consensus and there is an off chance he will be around with my pick at 74. As a result, I do not want to put it out there who I like. Let's just say there is a gap after my first player with a number of players that I think are comparable to what I can get at their respective positions in Round 3 so if my first guy is gone I would prefer to overdraft a personal sleeper than go with the consensus
26. LB Jarrad Davis
34. QB Davis Webb
36. RB Joe Mixon
38. CB *Adoree Jackson
40. TE Evan Engram
Melifonwu is still a reasonable pick.
26. LB Jarrad Davis
34. QB Davis Webb
36. RB Joe Mixon
38. CB *Adoree Jackson
40. TE Evan Engram
Melifonwu is still a reasonable pick.
Because Colin's board is subject to change, Matt freezes the list at the one in effect when initial post is made which is in the spreadsheet.
As for the GBN list being locked, that's understood. I just think it's interesting how fluid the board can be, considering that there isn't a lot of new information coming in. UConn's Pro Day was over two weeks ago, and by all accounts Melifonwu looked really good. So the slippage seems sort of random. I guess draftniks like Colin are still gathering input from NFL personnel and rounding out their own tape review.
DE Tarell Basham, Ohio
correct there are several really good edge rushers left, but wanted a guy with a little more size, which Basham has with room to grow.
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DE Tarell Basham, Ohio
correct there are several really good edge rushers left, but wanted a guy with a little more size, which Basham has with room to grow.
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If I hadn't already taken Garrett #1, this guy was very high on my list.
Kind of stunned and excited to get Brantley there. Checks off the biggest priority for the Vikings in the draft. To not have a first rounder, and get Brantley in the fold, feels like a big win.
Good value with Engram, but I neither he nor Brate offer much as a blocker. That being said, there definitely is a plateau in terms of talent at this point in the draft and Engram does offer one of the greater upsides of the players left.
I had Alvin Kamara 7th on my list. I know some people really love him, but there is something about him that I keep pushing him down for some reason. Maybe I just haven't seen enough of him. Probably a mistake on my part and he will be a beast! Engram I have seen go quiet to much in games despite amazing abilities, but had him 9th on my list. Just isn't the blocker I would like unless I was running a 2 TE offense. If I was running a 2 TE offense he would have been much higher for me.
I had Alvin Kamara 7th on my list. I know some people really love him, but there is something about him that I keep pushing him down for some reason. Maybe I just haven't seen enough of him. Probably a mistake on my part and he will be a beast! Engram I have seen go quiet to much in games despite amazing abilities, but had him 9th on my list. Just isn't the blocker I would like unless I was running a 2 TE offense. If I was running a 2 TE offense he would have been much higher for me.
Yeah, for Cleveland Kamara doesn't make a lot of sense, with Duke Johnson on the squad. A lot of players I like but some positions of much much higher need right now.
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Been trying to figure out who I want more. I have my #1 locked up on top. 2, 3, 4, and 5 though blur on who I want more.
I had Alvin Kamara 7th on my list. I know some people really love him, but there is something about him that I keep pushing him down for some reason. Maybe I just haven't seen enough of him. Probably a mistake on my part and he will be a beast! Engram I have seen go quiet to much in games despite amazing abilities, but had him 9th on my list. Just isn't the blocker I would like unless I was running a 2 TE offense. If I was running a 2 TE offense he would have been much higher for me.
Yeah, for Cleveland Kamara doesn't make a lot of sense, with Duke Johnson on the squad. A lot of players I like but some positions of much much higher need right now.
You are drafting for Cleveland... You can throw a dart and hit a need! Be an interesting choice here. I think I know who I would take tho.
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Been trying to figure out who I want more. I have my #1 locked up on top. 2, 3, 4, and 5 though blur on who I want more.
I had Alvin Kamara 7th on my list. I know some people really love him, but there is something about him that I keep pushing him down for some reason. Maybe I just haven't seen enough of him. Probably a mistake on my part and he will be a beast! Engram I have seen go quiet to much in games despite amazing abilities, but had him 9th on my list. Just isn't the blocker I would like unless I was running a 2 TE offense. If I was running a 2 TE offense he would have been much higher for me.
Yeah, for Cleveland Kamara doesn't make a lot of sense, with Duke Johnson on the squad. A lot of players I like but some positions of much much higher need right now.
You are drafting for Cleveland... You can throw a dart and hit a need! Be an interesting choice here. I think I know who I would take tho.
True, but they just spent stupid money on Zeitler and Tretter. I am not going to take Pocic in the 2nd round.
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Been trying to figure out who I want more. I have my #1 locked up on top. 2, 3, 4, and 5 though blur on who I want more.
I had Alvin Kamara 7th on my list. I know some people really love him, but there is something about him that I keep pushing him down for some reason. Maybe I just haven't seen enough of him. Probably a mistake on my part and he will be a beast! Engram I have seen go quiet to much in games despite amazing abilities, but had him 9th on my list. Just isn't the blocker I would like unless I was running a 2 TE offense. If I was running a 2 TE offense he would have been much higher for me.
Yeah, for Cleveland Kamara doesn't make a lot of sense, with Duke Johnson on the squad. A lot of players I like but some positions of much much higher need right now.
You are drafting for Cleveland... You can throw a dart and hit a need! Be an interesting choice here. I think I know who I would take tho.
There are probably 3 or 4 players I would be between if I were the Cleveland Browns at this point, but also having pick 65 I think there is 1 or 2 that would likely jump to the head of my list
Thanks Mike! There are a few players I like better as CBs right now, but this kid is just so dynamic. If you're a team like the Browns, you need to add these kinds of guys. If nothing else, he's a Devin Hester-type talent as a returner. That alone is worthy of a 2nd round pick.
He also took the player I was taking for the Lions.
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Lionhart takes probably the player that I would mostly have taken had I been the Browns. I really think Cleveland is killing it so far in the Mock Draft.
Thanks Mike! There are a few players I like better as CBs right now, but this kid is just so dynamic. If you're a team like the Browns, you need to add these kinds of guys. If nothing else, he's a Devin Hester-type talent as a returner. That alone is worthy of a 2nd round pick.
My only issue with Jackson, who I have seen a lot, is I think I like him more as a nickel back. Not that he can't play outside, but just that he would excel there. There seem to be a lot of these types of players... Peppers, Jackson, Curtis Samuel, etc. Players that have a ton of talent, but their position is not locked in or confined.
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Lionhart takes probably the player that I would mostly have taken had I been the Browns. I really think Cleveland is killing it so far in the Mock Draft.
Thanks Mike! There are a few players I like better as CBs right now, but this kid is just so dynamic. If you're a team like the Browns, you need to add these kinds of guys. If nothing else, he's a Devin Hester-type talent as a returner. That alone is worthy of a 2nd round pick.
My only issue with Jackson, who I have seen a lot, is I think I like him more as a nickel back. Not that he can't play outside, but just that he would excel there. There seem to be a lot of these types of players... Peppers, Jackson, Curtis Samuel, etc. Players that have a ton of talent, but their position is not locked in or confined.
Amtoft, I agree with you. But Cleveland actually needs a slot corner anyway. So to add a dynamic returner too? I'm down.
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Lionhart takes probably the player that I would mostly have taken had I been the Browns. I really think Cleveland is killing it so far in the Mock Draft.
Thanks Mike! There are a few players I like better as CBs right now, but this kid is just so dynamic. If you're a team like the Browns, you need to add these kinds of guys. If nothing else, he's a Devin Hester-type talent as a returner. That alone is worthy of a 2nd round pick.
My only issue with Jackson, who I have seen a lot, is I think I like him more as a nickel back. Not that he can't play outside, but just that he would excel there. There seem to be a lot of these types of players... Peppers, Jackson, Curtis Samuel, etc. Players that have a ton of talent, but their position is not locked in or confined.
Amtoft, I agree with you. But Cleveland actually needs a slot corner anyway. So to add a dynamic returner too? I'm down.
I think in this day and age every team needs a stud slot CB. It is why Jackson to most teams makes a ton of sense and a great pick. That is his floor while which is a pretty great floor. I can't knock the pick at all. Just was stating the only thing holding me back from having him higher. He has very good cover skills to go with elite athleticism.
Walker is the player I just moved up to my #2. I am actually a big fan of his. I like that he can be a very good DE and move him inside as well especially on passing downs. When you look at DEs in the this draft I am just not a fan of most of them. I bumped Walker up because I thought he would be the last DE that I wanted for probably a round or two unless someone drops. The value was close enough on my 2-5 that taking Walker now would have made more sense for my team. Nice pick.
The pick was between Kamara and Engram, and with Engram going off the board right before us, it was a no brainer to take Kamara
WR/RB Curtis Samuel (small, but dynamic)
DE Carl Lawson (has everything except length)
OLB Tyus Bowser
CBs Cordrea Tankersley and Fabian Moreau
ILB Raekwon McMillan (too similar to Goodson?)
OT Taylor Moton
WRs Chris Godwin, Cooper Kupp, Zay Jones
QB Davis Webb (I wouldn't, but Andy might...)
I would want Moton from that list
Ohhh Maybe I will get in my pick today! ... Andy we all know you are taking TE Bucky Hodges with your pick so don't try it!
No way they nail it like that come April 28th.. They get Garret prob and fuck the rest of them up.
No way they nail it like that come April 28th.. They get Garret prob and fuck the rest of them up.
Yeah, they'll definitely both it. Hopefully they keep trading. Diana DB load up on picks again for nex lt year ;)
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No way they nail it like that come April 28th.. They get Garret prob and fuck the rest of them up.
Yeah, they'll definitely both it. Hopefully they keep trading. Diana DB load up on picks again for nex lt year ;)
Jesus. Botch it. Hopefully they trade down and load up on picks again
I am an usher for Frisco Roughriders minor league team.11:00am game today.Nice retirement job that keeps me busy and get to see Rangers top prospects play AA baseball.Thanks Matt for a great job.
For me, there are 3 players I likely would be going between if I were the Giants and I could see the merits of any of the 3. At the end of the day it is Andy's call.
When I mentioned 3 that I would consider for the Giants, 2 were Tankersley and Moton
Moton didn't impress me in my scouting trip to Draft Breakdown...
Moton didn't impress me in my scouting trip to Draft Breakdown...
From what I have seen/read Moton projects better as a guard in the NFL then a Tackle. He would most likely start his rookie year as a Tackle for the Texans then transition to Guard in later years (starters are getting older and slower)
A talented edge defender we see Willis as their heir to Justin Houston. Crazy SPARQ data second only to Garrett. A 1.53 10 yd split, a 4.5 40 (in Indy), 125 inch broad jump and a 39 vertical plus a 6.8 3 cone. That is top 10 percentile stuff.
All following on from a career at Kansas State where he notched 25.5 sacks and 39.5 TfL. There's some work to be done, for all those numbers Willis still plays a bit stiff at times and needs to work on his moves but there's a lot here to work with.
You have to be able to get to the QB in today's NFL and Willis helps us get that done.
You said something similar after I drafted Demarco Murray in the 3rd round a few years ago ;)
JuJu Smith-Schuster was my #3 pick after #2 Cordrea Tankersley. I had Moton my #1, but with Cam Robinson in round one they are to close to the same player. I had Tankersley solid on top for me for a lot of picks. I love his potential. Great size, speed, and is getting better. He was a big reason Clemson was so good against the pass.
If I would have known Moton would have made it to this pick I wouldn't have taken Cam Robinson in the first. I really wanted a dominate RT type that could maybe swing to LT. Moton is a guy I would love the Giants to take, but he like Cam Robinson is basically Fluker and Flowers.
JuJu Smith-Schuster is beyond under valued. He will go higher then where Andy took him. He isn't some slow WR that ran over 4.6, he ran a 4.54 at the combine. He is also better at going up and getting contested balls than probably anyone in this draft. He has big hands and catches the ball ease. You go watch him as a Soph and he was amazing. He had to deal with horrible QB play for the first 3 game and then was injured four games later. He played through it, but you could tell it was affecting him getting off the line and his explosion. He was healthy again in the bowl game... In those 5 games with a good QB and healthy he put up 36 catches, 599 yards, and 7 TDs! That is 16.6 yards a catch which is inline with his previous year where with a QB and good health he put up 89 catches, 1454 yards, 16.3 yard ave, and 10 TDs. The guy is insanely good and a great pick. I think the need wasn't there for the Giants though and I disagree there aren't a ton of really good WRs left, but I still had him #3 on my board after Moton who I wasn't taking because of my first rounder and Tankersley. Can't argue with that.
I am not a fan of Lawson. I just don't see it. He looks stiff to me. He wasn't even on my top 10 list. Bowser wasn't either, but only because I didn't see any Houston games last year. I just don't know enough about him.
Zay Jones? Really? 158 catches last year and averaged 11 yards a catch with only 8 TDs? Bubble screen Jones? Small hands Jones? Over JuJu smith? You need to watch more Pac-12 games.
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Moton didn't impress me in my scouting trip to Draft Breakdown...
From what I have seen/read Moton projects better as a guard in the NFL then a Tackle. He would most likely start his rookie year as a Tackle for the Texans then transition to Guard in later years (starters are getting older and slower)
Love this pick... Trubisky and Moton... You are killing the draft!
Jones didn't have many drops with those small hands because he mainly caught very short routes. Bubble screens and such. They were rarely contested at all. Looks skinny and ran a 4.45 at the combine, but showed no such speed all year long. I was expecting him to run 4.6 from what you see on the field.
I am pretty close to a pure BPA guy, yes. 5 years ago I wouldn't have taken a QB no matter what, but other than quirks like that my opinion is that no position is so set in the NFL that you won't take the guy that represents the most value to the team. I guess I feel almost any position has a "need", that might be a better way of putting it.
I think Juju Smith-Schuster is a starting WR in the NFL. I don't think he'd start for us in year one, but the Giants are in 3WR sets for 90%+ of the snaps. We have plenty of room for another WR, especially long term where Marshall will be gone.
What worries me most about this pick is I have VERY mixed results when picking WR's - Nicks and Bowe were good picks. Brian Quick wasn't. I liked Agholor a couple of years ago, but he seems like a bust. Way back in the day I loved Dwayne Jarrett but he was a colossal bust. Marquis Lee I liked a lot, he's pretty good. So I am not very good when it comes to evaluating WR's, especially USC WR's. We'll see.
I realize that I am currently at a disadvantage, since I have no idea how to chose a DE/DT in 3-4 scheme (DT I know, but DE). I thought long and hard about Lawson due to him having great value, but he wouldn't be a great DE in this scheme, and I addressed and edge rusher/olb with my first pick.
I'm happy with Moreau since he is the type of CB that Steelers deploy. Excel's in man coverage, and cover 3. Former converted RB that can lay the wood and is still growing after being injured earlier in his career, but bounced back with a solid 2016 campaign. He suffered a peck injury at his pro-day, but all signs show that he will be ready to go full steam ahead in August.
Like that pick. The depth at CB in this draft is insane. There are still a ton of guy that contribute day 1 on the board at CB.
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I am not a fan of Lawson. I just don't see it. He looks stiff to me. He wasn't even on my top 10 list. Bowser wasn't either, but only because I didn't see any Houston games last year. I just don't know enough about him.
Unless you are looking at a J.J. Watt/Haloti Ngata type, I would look for someone who might otherwise be a three technique DT or a large DE in a 4-3 scheme (a la Chris Canty) but make sure they are about 6'3" or taller. In other words, while someone like Mike Patterson or Dan Klecko were 3 technique DT's, they were too short to play 5T DE
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what you look for in a 3-4 DE that would be helpful. I understand what to look for in a nose tackle, but DE's I am pretty inept.
Unless you are looking at a J.J. Watt/Haloti Ngata type, I would look for someone who might otherwise be a three technique DT or a large DE in a 4-3 scheme (a la Chris Canty) but make sure they are about 6'3" or taller. In other words, while someone like Mike Patterson or Dan Klecko were 3 technique DT's, they were too short to play 5T DE
Absolutely. Most teams look for length. Ideally 6'5" - 300ish size. It also depends whether it's a one gap or two gap scheme. That would tell you whether you need someone to take on double teams and hold up blockers or somebody with some better penetrating skills.
But I like Godwin's size, reliability and underrated athleticism. I see him as similar to Smith-Shuster. Will be a nice reliable option next to Coleman and Britt.
He took Jackson, not Walker. Cleveland is having one heck of a draft
I agree... no need to not take him. He is very versatile and can play multiple positions. I personally think he is a RB not a slot WR.
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I agree... no need to not take him. He is very versatile and can play multiple positions. I personally think he is a RB not a slot WR.
he needs a lot of work on his routes and hands if he's gonna play WR. McCaffrey is light years more advanced at this point
No. The opposite.
He's an excellent receiver and since he's only been playing TE for 3 years there is allot he can still grow into. Also, I would have taken him just as a wide receiver. He uses his long arms to box defenders out for catches.
Carl Lawson was my pick.. surprised he was still there! 49ers need an edge rusher bad. Some considered him one of the best in the draft! The 49ers have yet to tag a LEO for their transition to the 4-3 defensive scheme being implemented and Lawson would be an ideal candidate at 6-foot-2 and 261 pounds!
He selected over an hour ago. In the meantime, Matt has posted the selection from the list he had for the Rams so the New York Jets are now on the clock.
Thanks!
With the Jets being so far away from being even remotely decent I've been focusing on really raw, high upside guys. Shaheen certainly fits the bill there.
He's been on my short list for a while... Has everything you're looking for in a TE these days. Raw prospect but great physical skills. He's a guy I could definitely see the Giants targeting. I expect him to go in Round 2 of the real draft.
Especially with Woodhead moving on.
*Curtis Samuel, WR, Ohio State
I like Samuel, but not as a WR. I personally think he is a RB and can be a very good one. You can also line him up and flex him out creating mismatches.
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poor Samuel. First he has his name called and then rescinded then nobody else picks him and he gets auto picked again.
I like Samuel, but not as a WR. I personally think he is a RB and can be a very good one. You can also line him up and flex him out creating mismatches.
Some team is going to fall in love with his speed and take him earlier than expected, imo.
Great... I am hoping to get through at least 7 more picks today so I don't have to send in a monster board tonight.
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But he was just on here... Will give him another 15 mins and then make both of our picks... Then I need to head out for a few hours...
Great... I am hoping to get through at least 7 more picks today so I don't have to send in a monster board tonight.
I should be available for Picks 74 and 78
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But he was just on here... Will give him another 15 mins and then make both of our picks... Then I need to head out for a few hours...
Great... I am hoping to get through at least 7 more picks today so I don't have to send in a monster board tonight.
I should be available for Picks 74 and 78
Awesome... Hopefully superspynyg, Saos1n, and DCPollaro are around also... we can really fly through some picks.
Ahhhh yeah!
No worries... I had Wormley #1 on my board also. Actually Wormley and Montavius Adams were 2 of my top 10. If Wormley didn't play DE at Michigan I would have probably taken him with my 2nd round pick. I really like him, but I am not sure how the move inside would affect him. He may be best suited for a 3-4 DE.
Wormley has been on my list for a while too. Would make a good 5T
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But he was just on here... Will give him another 15 mins and then make both of our picks... Then I need to head out for a few hours...
Great... I am hoping to get through at least 7 more picks today so I don't have to send in a monster board tonight.
I should be available for Picks 74 and 78
Awesome... Hopefully superspynyg, Saos1n, and DCPollaro are around also... we can really fly through some picks.
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Even though they gave Taylor a big contract, I do not think the Bills have any qualms about trading him at some point. Rules say to go with top name listed unless it is absurd.
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Even though they gave Taylor a big contract, I do not think the Bills have any qualms about trading him at some point. Rules say to go with top name listed unless it is absurd.
I don't think it is absurd at all. There is no guarantees with Taylor and he is only signed to a 2 year contract. It actually makes a lot of sense really.
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But he was just on here... Will give him another 15 mins and then make both of our picks... Then I need to head out for a few hours...
Great... I am hoping to get through at least 7 more picks today so I don't have to send in a monster board tonight.
I should be available for Picks 74 and 78
Awesome... Hopefully superspynyg, Saos1n, and DCPollaro are around also... we can really fly through some picks.
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You are up! DCPollaro on deck
I am a Josh Jones fan. He comes in like a hammer. His size, speed, and production show that he has a lot of promise as an in the box safety.
I did see I'm up... I wanted either Mixon or Stewart here and both got taken shortly before my pick, so I'm deliberating on a couple of options, but about to make my pick momentarily.
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I did see I'm up... I wanted either Mixon or Stewart here and both got taken shortly before my pick, so I'm deliberating on a couple of options, but about to make my pick momentarily.
Glad that after missing out so many times I can annoy someone else :)
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I did see I'm up... I wanted either Mixon or Stewart here and both got taken shortly before my pick, so I'm deliberating on a couple of options, but about to make my pick momentarily.
Glad that after missing out so many times I can annoy someone else :)
LOL, Mike... I thought I would probably lose one but losing both was a kick in the pants. When the real draft comes around, I expect the Vikings to draft Mixon if they have a shot at him in the 3rd. And they might even do it in the 2nd round. Supposedly, Zimmer met with him and likes him, and they need an infusion of talent behind Latavius Murray.
I almost took another guy, but it seems like a good fit.
The Colts would do well to shorten up their passing game and keep Luck's vital organs intact.
I am a big Roderick Johnson fan. I think he might end up being the best LT in the draft. I think he will need a little more time, but he has huge potential. He was in the top 2 players left on my board. Love this pick and would love the Giants to grab him in the 3rd if he slips some.
DT Carlos Watkins brings more help to the failing D line of the skins
Thankfully they went in a different direction and the Broncos get to add solid player to the middle of the their defense.
I can take care of it
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[quote] just in case it gets to me in the morning before I am on. Really high on 4 players so I am hoping one makes it to me.
Yeah, I liked that I got two guys for the trenches in the first two picks for the Vikes. Caleb Brantley was necessary because Shariff Floyd may never play again. But getting a guy that can bolster the OL as well, seems like a good start to the Vikings' draft.
Then Andy can pop out of his meeting to pick Marlon Mack or Brad Kaaya, true to his philosophy of BOSPA (best offensive skill player available). ;o)
Exactly...I realize I am on the West coast by the time I am on line it is like 11AM East coast time. I don't want to hold up the draft so at night if I am within 10 picks I send a quick list... If I know I will be busy in the morning I will send it 12 or 15 or round 1 I think I went 21 player list. You can always change it as you get closer. Matt is great at not getting to frustrated with me moving players around. For my second round pick I had it
1. CB - Cordrea Tankersley from Clemson
2. DT - Chris Wormsley from Michigan
3. WR - JuJu Smith-Schuster from USC
4. DT - Carlos Watkins from Clemson
5. DE - DeMarcus Walker from Florida State
6. RB/ATH - Curtis Samuel from Ohio State
7. TE Bucky Hodges from Virginia Tech
Then last second at night I was 2 away so I sent a quick revise for the morning...
1. CB Cordrea Tankersley Clemson
2. WR JuJu Smith-Schuster USC
JuJu went the pick before and I got Cordrea. No hold up, no auto pick, etc.
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Thankfully they went in a different direction and the Broncos get to add solid player to the middle of the their defense.
Love both of these players. This DT class is amazing. Maybe one the deepest I have ever seen. You should not be able to get a Watkins or Tomlinson in round 3!
Excited about our targeted players for the third round. This is a very deep draft on defensive side.
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and really had no idea who I was going to take if they did.
Thankfully they went in a different direction and the Broncos get to add solid player to the middle of the their defense.
Love both of these players. This DT class is amazing. Maybe one the deepest I have ever seen. You should not be able to get a Watkins or Tomlinson in round 3!
I agree, and there is still some talent on the board. Also super deep at Corner.
Good selection with Ethan Pocic, he was the guy I was looking at.
Sweezy signed a big contract only to spend all of last season on PUP/IR. Can't guarantee he comes back the same. That is why I would be tempted to say skip down to Siragusa. Whatever the majority decision is that is who will be selected as I can see more arguments on each side than I could with Tennessee
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Sweezy signed a big contract only to spend all of last season on PUP/IR. Can't guarantee he comes back the same. That is why I would be tempted to say skip down to Siragusa. Whatever the majority decision is that is who will be selected as I can see more arguments on each side than I could with Tennessee
I agree an OG at this point would be a better pick than a second LB especially when they have a MLB. If you want depth I would prefer it at OL than at MLB if you are asking me.
Yes we are moving again! Finally... Allstarjim up again.
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Yes we are moving again! Finally... Allstarjim up again.
not my fault. I've been refreshing all fucking morning waiting for 2 picks.
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was looking at LBs, felt like Riley was a bit of a better fit than McMillan and just a little safer than Anzalone.
Yes we are moving again! Finally... Allstarjim up again.
not my fault. I've been refreshing all fucking morning waiting for 2 picks.
Definitely not your fault... you picked super quick.
Thank you for your candor! I posted on the pick thread that since you stated that we'll give Jay a chance to take the player he wanted
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Thank you for your candor! I posted on the pick thread that since you stated that we'll give Jay a chance to take the player he wanted
We're all about transparency here in Detroit! I'd rather see participants get their player than have autopicks, even ones who make me wait!
Minnesota wants more explosive players on offense, and Mack is certainly explosive. He has a good combination of speed, agility and physicality in his game. He does need a bit of work in keeping the Duke tighter to his body, but he's a player that can really exploit a crease. I'm really happy to add this type of offensive playmaker to the Vikings, and think he can be a 3-down back early.
While Garcia won't be ready to start day one he has a high upside and would eventually allow Donovan Smith to move over to RT where he could be an all-pro RT.
Great pick.
While Garcia won't be ready to start day one he has a high upside and would eventually allow Donovan Smith to move over to RT where he could be an all-pro RT.
In hindsight I probably should have taken Wormley instead of Feeney in Round 2 and then used one of my 3rd Round selections on Garcia
1) Njoku
2) Juju
Gotta think OL/DL here... There are still some CBs available but probably not much better than you can get next round.
OL: Siragusa, Elflein (can he play G?), Banner (RT?), Holden, Bisnowaty
DL: Okunjobi, Vanderdoess, Jarron Jones, Kpassagnon, Jaleel Jones
I don't think they'd take McMillan, they want LBs who can cover.
1) Njoku
2) Juju
Gotta think OL/DL here... There are still some CBs available but probably not much better than you can get next round.
OL: Siragusa, Elflein (can he play G?), Banner (RT?), Holden, Bisnowaty
DL: Okunjobi, Vanderdoess, Jarron Jones, Kpassagnon, Jaleel Jones
I don't think they'd take McMillan, they want LBs who can cover.
Here is the thing... If I am drafting for the Giants I can not go into the 4th round without drafting an OL and a DL. Saying that you can't reach also. Tough place to be if you don't have a OL/DL rated as high. To me there are a lot of options, but I would probably have to Elfein at this point. I definitely think he can play guard and having a player that can play backup center doesn't hurt also. I like Elfein a lot though. More than Ethan Pocic.
Very nice selection for the Giants. Good pick.
I suspect Elflein will be an unpopular pick, but eff you all, he's going to be a starter at RG. I just hope the team that drafts him puts him there and makes me look smart.
Enjoy your day! Long wait for the Giants now until their next pick at the end of the 4th.
With Raekwon I have had him on top for so many picks. How he can be so underrated on this site is beyond me. It wasn't long ago that he was projected to go in the top 15. He has good size, speed and plays with good instincts. While not a coverage LB has shown to not be a liability in coverage. While he needs to work on disengaging through blocks he showed up on a very talented defense. People can say maybe he played well because he was on a talented team and I say he stood out among talented players. Love the value and love the pick. It is tough because I am a huge fan of my second ranked player who I don't think will make it to my next pick. Can't get off my board though and think come draft time this will be a steal as he will go in the second round.
OT remains a problem, but there wasn't a solution available who was likely to represent much of an upgrade.
I don't think McMillan would have been an awful pick, but picking him would not speak well of Goodson's future.
On a side note, I don't think I could have passed on McMillan had he got to me. The Raiders (Amtoft) made this a much easier pick for me.
I don't watch a lot of college ball but tackling is the glaring weakness everyone spouts about this kid. I was going to maybe wait til the 4th for a CB but didn't think anyone with this kids upside to cover will be there. As for the INT's, they may be more often with the mix of Houstons pass rush and this kids speed and length. Plus Houston has the other 10 guys to do the tackling :)
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here is interesting. Great size and speed prospect who is actually very good in coverage. However Witherspoon may be the only CB to ever make Deion Sanders look like a good tackler. He also won't pick very many balls for you either. He was one of the top cover CBs in all of college football last year though and is still learning.
I don't watch a lot of college ball but tackling is the glaring weakness everyone spouts about this kid. I was going to maybe wait til the 4th for a CB but didn't think anyone with this kids upside to cover will be there. As for the INT's, they may be more often with the mix of Houstons pass rush and this kids speed and length. Plus Houston has the other 10 guys to do the tackling :)
When it comes to coverage he is great. I think he gave up something like 26% completion rate against! That is amazing especially when you realize he played in the Pac-12. He has great length and blocked a lot of balls from being completed. I like the pick and he is still pretty raw. He will only continue to get better.
He tackles like Eli Manning with a little less enthusiasm though... covers amazing though.
With Bosa, Ingram, Liuget on the D and Henry, Gordon, and their corps of tall WRs, those would be nice complementary pieces. A couple picks to add to the secondary and I would hate our schedule even more if this happened.
FA losses on defense this offseason have made this an all defense draft for Cowboys.That's what happens when you keep restructuring contracts. The bill comes due at some point. This was the offseason when the Cowboys had to pay that bill,especially in the secondary.
Email sent to SEA...
Here's to a very fast draft day. Happy holidays, everyone.
Awesome picture. Sheesh, what is he on?
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Sorry guys. I should've had this in yesterday but it's been one of those kind of weeks. I know I have two more picks coming up in a relatively short time and will be on top of them.
Awesome picture. Sheesh, what is he on?
Doesn't beat the picture I found when I took Kyle Long a few years back in the Mock Draft:
Starting Defense, seat at the table
Maybe you can find a better one for your pick at 93 that is now on the clock :)
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Starting Defense, seat at the table
This year's CB class is extremely strong and deep.
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Ha, nothing could possibly beat that one. Disturbing.
Maybe you can find a better one for your pick at 93 that is now on the clock :)
Ok
This year's CB class is extremely strong and deep.
I think Kazee is being underrated due to his lack of prototypical height. He looks like he could be a dominant slot CB and in today's NFL that gets nearly as many reps as a starter. Maybe slightly overdrafted here, but he definitely wasn't going to fall to your 4th Round pick
Muchos Gracias.
A player went before my pick for the Fish at 97 who I really wanted, but I'll wait until after the draft to discuss that. I picked Evans, who is a nice value pick here in the 3rd round with the 97th overall pick. Evans will complement what the Fish already have at Safety. Reshad Jones is a fine FS, and this kid can start and be a good SS.
Miami signed some vets this off-season as good depth at Safety in T.J. MacDonald and Nate Allen, but they still need to infuse more starting quality and youth, which is where Evans comes in.
It was down to Evans or two other guys who play the same position (neither is a Safety). I'll discuss this after the draft as well as the guy who I was going to pick who went a few picks before I selected. Matt G already knows since I emailed him my pick, lol. See y'all later. I don't have a pick in the 4th round, but I've got multiple picks in the 5th round. Cya then mongos. Peace.
It's all the fat fuck's fault!
Along with OJ Howard in the first round, giving Marcus Mariota serious weapons to take his game to the next level.
Broncos already have a good blocking TE in Virgil Green, so they can turn Leggett loose in the middle of the field to open up the outside for Thomas and Sanders
Kansas City (English Alaister) (comp)
Pittsburgh (BigBlueDownTheShore) (comp)
Seattle (sjnyfan) (comp)
New York Jets (Jon in NYC) (comp)
To finish out the 3rd round. Let's knock this out! Saos1n is up and EA sent a board in.
I love Desmond King... He was the player I knew wouldn't make it to me that I really wanted. I felt that McMillan was the better value, but man I think King is going to have an amazing career. He was tops on my board by far.
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I love Desmond King... He was the player I knew wouldn't make it to me that I really wanted. I felt that McMillan was the better value, but man I think King is going to have an amazing career. He was tops on my board by far.
I did consider him for the pick with which I selected Josh Jones. Ultimately, Jones's height/weight/speed and the fact that I thought CB/FS were deeper caused me to go with Jones
1)Hall
4)Leggett
5)King
6)Tanoh
8)Kazee
Nicely done, real strong run here fellas. Torrag, freaking love Hall, tons of potential if he can add some weight/strength and play 5T.
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I love Desmond King... He was the player I knew wouldn't make it to me that I really wanted. I felt that McMillan was the better value, but man I think King is going to have an amazing career. He was tops on my board by far.
I totally agree, this is a guy that has TOO MUCH film. He's been overanalyzed. He's not the fastest, but the dude can ball. 6+ year NFL starter, guy is just a football player.
If someone sends in a board I say we always wait.
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Like the pick. He was on my short list for Pick 122
I don't have one in rd 4 either
I'm here. Ready for my pick.
Yes, I'm aware I can simply submit a board, however, that will take me more time to develop to make sure I have a guy there at my pick.
I'd rather there be a daily clock. Six hours for weekend days sounds reasonable to me. Everybody has the internet in their pocket at this point, you would think even with weekend plans you can come up with a pick in a 6 hour block.
I realize you can't go around just changing rules mid-stream, however. And personally, I also like the 6 round mock... but would rather just have some things implemented to move it along faster, like extending the the period of two hour time limits from 9am to 9pm daily, and 6 hour limits to 11pm on weekends. It may cause a few problems for people with commutes at the end of the day, but I doubt much more than what we have, and we can probably get this thing moving better.
Just suggestions... I appreciate being a part this year.
did Matt receive players boards from both teams for their picks in round 4???
I'm fairly sure this is directed at least partially to me, and to that I say, maybe you missed the part where I said, "I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE RULES MID-STREAM," and, that it was "JUST A SUGGESTION." So characterizing it as "people complaining" is, to say it politely, bullshit.
I know everybody has priorities, and I'm not trying to change anything. But it's not like it's that hard to check in every now and then. You can literally check where the order is at whilst taking a shit. I'm not the one who decided to auto-pick for you, and neither did anyone else who "recently joined." As far as I can tell, Matt made that call, so take it up with him and leave others out of it. People are allowed to share their opinions, even those who "recently joined."
Fat Man in Charlotte is otc.
But if you take a shot at people, then expect them to respond.
Seriously, Happy Easter everyone. I recognize this is for fun and I wouldn't have chimed in if others weren't already discussing it.
By the way, SirYesSir, great pick with Westbrook. I was licking my chops preparing to draft him if he could've just fallen 6 more picks.
Fat Man in Charlotte is otc.
I've had Westbrook on my shortlist for a while. What I didn't realize before my draft research though was that he had multiple arrests when he was in JUCO. Couldn't find much more but there are some off field concerns with him. Explosive talent though...
from the BBI mock spreadsheet in order
*Brad Kaaya QB Miami (Fla.)
Zach Banner OG USC
*Jeremy McNichols RB Boise State
Will Holden OT Vanderbilt
Tyler Orlosky C West Virginia
*Anthony Walker Jr. ILB Northwestern
Isaac Rochell DE Notre Dame
*Eddie Vanderdoes DT UCLA
Danny Isidora OG Miami (Fla.)
Eddie Jackson SS Alabama
Carroll Phillips OLB Illinois
Chad Kelly QB Ole Miss
Jalen Myrick CB Minnesota
Conor McDermott OT UCLA
*Brian Hill RB Wyoming
Rasul Douglas CB West Virginia
Jeremy Sprinkle TE Arkansas
Keionta Davis DE Chattanooga
*David Sharpe OT Florida
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Need to know who are like the top 15 players still available?
from the BBI mock spreadsheet in order
*Brad Kaaya QB Miami (Fla.)
Zach Banner OG USC
*Jeremy McNichols RB Boise State
Will Holden OT Vanderbilt
Tyler Orlosky C West Virginia
*Anthony Walker Jr. ILB Northwestern
Isaac Rochell DE Notre Dame
*Eddie Vanderdoes DT UCLA
Danny Isidora OG Miami (Fla.)
Eddie Jackson SS Alabama
Carroll Phillips OLB Illinois
Chad Kelly QB Ole Miss
Jalen Myrick CB Minnesota
Conor McDermott OT UCLA
*Brian Hill RB Wyoming
Rasul Douglas CB West Virginia
Jeremy Sprinkle TE Arkansas
Keionta Davis DE Chattanooga
*David Sharpe OT Florida
Thanks. Pick is coming in
Not for running the draft, but because he's the first BBI'er to select a Bucknell player. Evah!
Not for running the draft, but because he's the first BBI'er to select a Bucknell player. Evah!
It's the little things that make all the difference.
Julie'n Davenport is an interesting prospect... Obviously, playing for a small but highly esteemed university, makes him a bit of an unknown, but he dominated his competition and has elite measurables for the position... Marpet went RD2 in 2015 out of Hobart and has managed to make the transition, so we will see if Davenport can do the same...
Julie'n Davenport is an interesting prospect... Obviously, playing for a small but highly esteemed university, makes him a bit of an unknown, but he dominated his competition and has elite measurables for the position... Marpet went RD2 in 2015 out of Hobart and has managed to make the transition, so we will see if Davenport can do the same...
That is why I waited until after you picked for me to send you my board :)
A lot of interesting names still on the board even if not necessarily at positions I would draft for the Ravens in Round 4 because the do not fit the schemes the Ravens run and there are comparable players who do fit.
Nice pick, Mike. Douglas has been in my top 10 since the mid second round. Another long corner with a lot of potential.
124. Tennessee (NYG27) Here and ready
125. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island) Hopefully is around
126. Denver (jlukes) Checks in a lot
127. Detroit (YAJ2112) Also checks in a lot
128. Minnesota (allstarjim)(from Mia) Hopefully is around
129. Oakland (Amtoft) I am here. I will make a board though if needed.
NYG27 is on the clock
He'll need a year in an NFL weight room to bulk up a bit but Wilson's size, speed, athleticism and ball skills will translate on this next level.
He'll need a year in an NFL weight room to bulk up a bit but Wilson's size, speed, athleticism and ball skills will translate on this next level.
I don't think Wilson could have been a 1st round pick next year. He didn't have the speed most teams would want in a top CB. He is still somewhat raw and needs to time, but has some good ability. He was in my 4th round talk, but he feels more like a 5th rounder to me because of so many question marks.
Great pick especially after reading what Sy has to say about him.
I know he is a big gamble but I would rather take a chance on a player like this in the 4th round rather than a limited athlete who is more NFL ready but has the ceiling of a career backup.
I wouldn't blame Sy for it. There are a couple of OT's here ranked similarly before it falls off a bit (won't name the others I think are in the same tier because if one falls to my pick in Round 5 it would be tempting), but they look like they fit different schemes. If you want more pulling and trapping from your OL I could see why McDermott would rank the highest of those few OT's.
Sorry not sorry! :) Vikings want more vertical receivers, Josh Reynolds fits the bill. I think he really needs some coaching, but he has a really big ceiling. I think he has the very real potential of pushing last year's first round pick, Laquon Treadwell, down the depth chart even further.
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I felt if Wilson returned for his senior year, he could have been a first round pick in 2018 NFL Draft.
He'll need a year in an NFL weight room to bulk up a bit but Wilson's size, speed, athleticism and ball skills will translate on this next level.
I don't think Wilson could have been a 1st round pick next year. He didn't have the speed most teams would want in a top CB. He is still somewhat raw and needs to time, but has some good ability. He was in my 4th round talk, but he feels more like a 5th rounder to me because of so many question marks.
Howard doesn't have the elite speed as the other Houston CB Brandon Wilson but I feel Howard has very good football speed and moves well in pads from what I've seen of him.
His 4.5 forty is the only reason he's fallen this far.
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I knew Conor McDermott wasn't going to drop much further. I know a lot of people swear by him, but I usually think his rankings are off. Take McDermott for example. I really like him a lot and I agree that that first game against Garrett made people turn off him. However he has major flaws and there is no way he can be graded out as an 80 player. I think he could go as early as the 3rd round though and is a good pick here. I think his potential because of his size and ability are all there. Having watched a ton of Pac-12 football Bolles is better than McDermott although they both have strength questions.
I know he is a big gamble but I would rather take a chance on a player like this in the 4th round rather than a limited athlete who is more NFL ready but has the ceiling of a career backup.
Oh no sorry let me rephrase what I wrote. I really like Conor McDermott. He was on my list and I was even hoping he may fall a little further along. I think he is very under rated and is a good pick here. There aren't that many true LT prospects and Conor is one of them! I just meant he isn't an 80 rated player and isn't better than Bolles. He is probably a 3rd rounder though, that you got late in the 4th! Nice pick
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I felt if Wilson returned for his senior year, he could have been a first round pick in 2018 NFL Draft.
He'll need a year in an NFL weight room to bulk up a bit but Wilson's size, speed, athleticism and ball skills will translate on this next level.
I don't think Wilson could have been a 1st round pick next year. He didn't have the speed most teams would want in a top CB. He is still somewhat raw and needs to time, but has some good ability. He was in my 4th round talk, but he feels more like a 5th rounder to me because of so many question marks.
Howard doesn't have the elite speed as the other Houston CB Brandon Wilson but I feel Howard has very good football speed and moves well in pads from what I've seen of him.
His 4.5 forty is the only reason he's fallen this far.
Well that and how much he has played. He has good ball skills, but he is only 184 lbs and ran a 4.57 at the combine. That is not a good combo. He will need time also because he hasn't played enough. Not a bad pick just don't think he would have been a 1st rounder next year is all.
I really liked what I saw of Henderson although it wasn't much. Just the fact he can be a good return also while he learns is perfect.
I am here with my write up completely ready to post unless by miracle he takes my player.
You say pick is coming shortly over 30 mins ago and then pick is coming now over 5 mins ago? Come on man... that makes me have to check this thread constantly. Next time if you are going to take over 30 mins just don't post until you can actually pick.
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You say pick is coming shortly over 30 mins ago and then pick is coming now over 5 mins ago? Come on man... that makes me have to check this thread constantly. Next time if you are going to take over 30 mins just don't post until you can actually pick.
Sorry man... a client called and therefore my attention had to be diverted to, you know, work. It's in now.
Boatie Warrant on the clock.
Boatie Warrant on the clock.
I have two hours to pick. Get over yourself. Nobody's forcing you to constantly refresh. You can actually do other stuff and come back to the thread... it was about 5 minutes or so for me to grab a couple of images and type out my post. For fuck sakes some of you guys are wound really fucking tight.
Boatie Warrant on the clock.
It doesn't stop you from shit. I received a work phone call, I'm taking that call. Sorry you felt that "shortly" meant "immediately". After the call I went and considered my choices... plenty of people would consider 30 minutes "shortly" anyway.
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me from doing anything thinking you are actually going to make a pick shortly or now. I know know something came up or something this or something that... don't post you are picking until you are actually ready to pick then.
Boatie Warrant on the clock.
It doesn't stop you from shit. I received a work phone call, I'm taking that call. Sorry you felt that "shortly" meant "immediately". After the call I went and considered my choices... plenty of people would consider 30 minutes "shortly" anyway.
Maybe it is just because I am used to it, but the response was Amtoft's sometimes strange sarcasm.
No worries.
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me from doing anything thinking you are actually going to make a pick shortly or now. I know know something came up or something this or something that... don't post you are picking until you are actually ready to pick then.
Boatie Warrant on the clock.
I have two hours to pick. Get over yourself. Nobody's forcing you to constantly refresh. You can actually do other stuff and come back to the thread... it was about 5 minutes or so for me to grab a couple of images and type out my post. For fuck sakes some of you guys are wound really fucking tight.
You do have 2 hours to pick, but if you can't see why saying you are about to pick and I am posting now when in reality you aren't picking shortly or right now then I don't know what to tell you. I would have checked like every 15 mins if you didn't post, but I wanted to keep this going with your posts making seem like any second it would be there. Like I said don't bother posting and saying pick is coming if it isn't... just use your 2 hours and none are the wiser that you are slow as fuck as doing things. Unlike you I don't want to hold this thing up so if I say I am going to pick then I pick.
No worries.
Harshly? I said not to be rude... Hahaha I love this time of year!
Again, get over yourself. It's not that long to have to wait unless YOU are sitting there constantly refreshing, which is over the top... do something else and come back to it. Not that hard. I'm not going to apologize... you have the problem, not me.
Again, get over yourself. It's not that long to have to wait unless YOU are sitting there constantly refreshing, which is over the top... do something else and come back to it. Not that hard. I'm not going to apologize... you have the problem, not me.
Weren't you the same guy complaining things taking too long yesterday? Then you take your full 2 hours this morning and have this little speed bump and can't take any comments about it?
Again, get over yourself. It's not that long to have to wait unless YOU are sitting there constantly refreshing, which is over the top... do something else and come back to it. Not that hard. I'm not going to apologize... you have the problem, not me.
oh trust me... I never thought a dick like you would ever apologize. Dicks like you don't give a fuck about anyone else. Just know though that people know you are a dick and if you don't like being called out on being a dick, then don't be a dick. Of course being a dick you are to dickish to even realize you are a dick so the chances of you realizing your dick move would blow right by your dickself. Thus of course you would never apologize or care about making people wait as the dick that you are because you think your dick level is little and small and tiny. Poor little dick.
Hahaha... I mean I can't even talk about the horrible pick he made because it like ... I will take up my whole time and you can't stop me!! He is such a toughie that one.
I didn't see I was up until about 10:40, so it took me about 20 minutes from then to make my pick. I checked fairly LATE last night and I was still a couple of picks away, and didn't get on to BBI this am until about 10:30-10:40 and saw I was up.
When I say pick is coming in right now, that means I've decided on a player, and am in the middle of posting that player, ok? For your future notice, that can be anywhere from 1-10 minutes.
If you didn't snidely try to tell me "not to post until..." it would've been fine. I told you I took a call, not good enough for you. I guess that's just too bad.
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Is one of life's guilty pleasures! =)
Hahaha... I mean I can't even talk about the horrible pick he made because it like ... I will take up my whole time and you can't stop me!! He is such a toughie that one.
Calls me toughie, makes insults over the internet. Can't make this shit up.
How much dick can a dickdick dick, if a dickdick dick dick dick?
How much dick can a dickdick dick, if a dickdick dick dick dick?
It's almost like he's an expert on dick.
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that was a whole lot of dick speak. Verbs, adjectives, nouns. Impressive.
How much dick can a dickdick dick, if a dickdick dick dick dick?
It's almost like he's an expert on dick.
Ha. As they say, takes one to know one. Dick.
And, I was starting to think we weren't going to get an Amtoft "debate" this year. Thank you, allstarjim.
He went back to Junior High circa 1995 on that one! I'm fucking devastated!
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And, I was starting to think we weren't going to get an Amtoft "debate" this year. Thank you, allstarjim.
It's not really a debate so much as a don't give a fuck what he has to say, but, I do what I can.
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Is one of life's guilty pleasures! =)
Hahaha... I mean I can't even talk about the horrible pick he made because it like ... I will take up my whole time and you can't stop me!! He is such a toughie that one.
Calls me toughie, makes insults over the internet. Can't make this shit up.
Ohhh I like the can't make this stuff up game sensitive Sally. Here is a favorite from Sally herself..
I'm fairly sure this is directed at least partially to me, and to that I say, maybe you missed the part where I said, "I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE RULES MID-STREAM," and, that it was "JUST A SUGGESTION." So characterizing it as "people complaining" is, to say it politely, bullshit.
I know everybody has priorities, and I'm not trying to change anything. But it's not like it's that hard to check in every now and then. You can literally check where the order is at whilst taking a shit. I'm not the one who decided to auto-pick for you, and neither did anyone else who "recently joined." As far as I can tell, Matt made that call, so take it up with him and leave others out of it. People are allowed to share their opinions, even those who "recently joined."
Hahaha love it! Maybe you should have went and took a shit so you could get the pick in faster? Seems you don't like any forms of criticism? Sorry sensitive Sally selecting slowly, sorely shoehorns sensitive sayings secluding stupid situated suckers
How much dick can a dickdick dick, if a dickdick dick dick dick?
Thank you sir... If nothing I try to entertain.
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Is one of life's guilty pleasures! =)
And, I was starting to think we weren't going to get an Amtoft "debate" this year. Thank you, allstarjim.
It's not really a debate so much as a don't give a fuck what he has to say, but, I do what I can.
oh you care... You can't help responding when anyone criticizes you isn't that right Sally?
yeah I'm done with it.
Moving on.
However, Elijah Lee I know some have him in the round 6-7 range, but he was very productive (110 tackles, 72 solo, couple of picks and a FF), is more of a new school, range-y linebacker, an All-Big 12 selection, and he fills a need for the Vikings at OLB, and he's only 21 years old. At this point in the draft it's just how you rank guys. One man's 6th rounder is another's 4th round talent.
25 HOU Mitch Trubisky QB North Carolina
57 HOU Taylor Moton OT Western Michigan
89 HOU Ahkello Witherspoon CB Colorado
130 HOU Kendell Beckwith ILB LSU
Rick Smith and his staff might be pretty happy too.
We're ten picks from the Giants' demoted fourth-rounder. Players they seem likely to miss out on because of the punishment include CBs Jalen Myrick (undersized speedster) and Rasul Douglas (local kid), OT Will Holden and LB Carroll Phillips. There are still some monstrous ORT prospects on the board, like David Sharpe and Zach Banner.
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If he didn't get hurt Beckwith would have gone much higher.
Probably safe to say most Texans fans would be content with these picks in rounds 1-4:
25 HOU Mitch Trubisky QB North Carolina
57 HOU Taylor Moton OT Western Michigan
89 HOU Ahkello Witherspoon CB Colorado
130 HOU Kendell Beckwith ILB LSU
Rick Smith and his staff might be pretty happy too.
We're ten picks from the Giants' demoted fourth-rounder. Players they seem likely to miss out on because of the punishment include CBs Jalen Myrick (undersized speedster) and Rasul Douglas (local kid), OT Will Holden and LB Carroll Phillips. There are still some monstrous ORT prospects on the board, like David Sharpe and Zach Banner.
They are definitely going to miss out on Douglas... he was already picked.
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If he didn't get hurt Beckwith would have gone much higher.
Probably safe to say most Texans fans would be content with these picks in rounds 1-4:
25 HOU Mitch Trubisky QB North Carolina
57 HOU Taylor Moton OT Western Michigan
89 HOU Ahkello Witherspoon CB Colorado
130 HOU Kendell Beckwith ILB LSU
Rick Smith and his staff might be pretty happy too.
We're ten picks from the Giants' demoted fourth-rounder. Players they seem likely to miss out on because of the punishment include CBs Jalen Myrick (undersized speedster) and Rasul Douglas (local kid), OT Will Holden and LB Carroll Phillips. There are still some monstrous ORT prospects on the board, like David Sharpe and Zach Banner.
I took Rasul Douglas with Pick 122 for the Ravens so he did not even make it to what would have been the Giants' 4th Rounder
16) Derek Barnett*, ER, Tennessee
47) Dan Feeney, OG, Indiana
74) ArDarius Stewart*, WR, Alabama
78) Josh Jones*, SS, North Carolina State
122) Rasul Douglas, CB, West Virginia
Rounds 5 and 6 and the "UDFA" phase I am not expecting to land guys who will be starters for me so will probably be BPA which should make it easy to pick when my time comes up except if it is Friday through Sunday when I will be in Florida celebrating my Grandmother's birthday. However, I will try to send in a board via e-mail to Matt if it looks like there is a real possibility that I am going to be on the clock at an inopportune time.
16) Derek Barnett*, ER, Tennessee
47) Dan Feeney, OG, Indiana
74) ArDarius Stewart*, WR, Alabama
78) Josh Jones*, SS, North Carolina State
122) Rasul Douglas, CB, West Virginia
Rounds 5 and 6 and the "UDFA" phase I am not expecting to land guys who will be starters for me so will probably be BPA which should make it easy to pick when my time comes up except if it is Friday through Sunday when I will be in Florida celebrating my Grandmother's birthday. However, I will try to send in a board via e-mail to Matt if it looks like there is a real possibility that I am going to be on the clock at an inopportune time.
Nice draft, Mike. I consistenly like your picks a lot. Particularly, Barnett, Feeney and Douglas.
Don't worry, fellas. I will put together a draft list and send it to Matt. Just in case. Not happy at all. (pity party for MadPlaid)
Don't worry, fellas. I will put together a draft list and send it to Matt. Just in case. Not happy at all. (pity party for MadPlaid)
The thought of annoying you may cause people to wait :)
Do I have to? :)
FWIW after running 4.38 with good agility drills he could very well go earlier than this in the actual Draft...or the depth at the position could make this intriguing developmental player still available. Something to watch for.
A guy who stood out at the senior bowl with his play. Really athletic free safety who can also play the nickel. Good ball skills. 6 foot 2 with a 37 vertical. Quality special teamer.
By the way, I did notice that my last two selections both came from Utah. I guess I have a thing for Mormons. Go figure.
Might not be big enough but he is 241 and put up 20 reps on the bench. It's the 4th round, if you bring him in on pass rush situations and he gets you some sacks, that's a great pick. I did see in a scouting report that he played gassed at times, maybe you get his conditioning up and turn him into a real OLB, but that might be a pipe dream.
Either way, the guy can get after the QB!
As for Atlanta's pick, what does anyone make of Ejuan Price? He's small, slow, old, and has a terrible injury history. All he does is make plays. Go figure. FWIW, he doesn't seem like a great fit for the Falcon defense - but Quinn has made creative use of some distinctive talents over the years.
Luck needs a checkdown option on 3rd down that can make someone miss. If Cohen can provide that alone I think he's worth the pick.
I love Jalen Myrick. I was shocked he made it to my 4th round pick. I was debating on taking Jalen and then hoping Hunter made it to my next pick. I am pretty sure he would have, but 40+ picks was to risky and I didn't want to lose Hunter who I have rated slightly higher. If I didn't take Cordrea Tankersley in the 2nd I would have probably taken the risk. I will say though I think Jalen would be an amazing slot CB so would have been a perfect fit with Tankersley, but still... Great pick and a steal this late!
A guy who stood out at the senior bowl with his play. Really athletic free safety who can also play the nickel. Good ball skills. 6 foot 2 with a 37 vertical. Quality special teamer.
I like John Johnson as a true FS which this draft doesn't have a lot of. I think he is more quick and athletic than fast, but he has good coverage skills and I think he will play. Nice pick
By the way, I did notice that my last two selections both came from Utah. I guess I have a thing for Mormons. Go figure.
God damnit, before I read those reports I thought I was for sure going to get Williams in Round 5. Especially after SY's not so glowing review. However, having watched this kid play. He's fast and runs so hard, I love him. Not much wiggle, but that's fine. We already have that in Duke.
I went for a high reward pick, figured this was a good time to go for it.
Link to Waldwin's glowing flimroom on Mathis is below.
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By the way, I did notice that my last two selections both came from Utah. I guess I have a thing for Mormons. Go figure.
If you look at just talent... Joe Williams is amazing! Very good size, speed, etc. While he did have some amazing OL blocking for him he also made them look much better. He is probably a 2nd rounder easy on talent, but this guy has so many red flags in his back he will drop. The quitting and then coming back doesn't bother me as much as it will bother the NFL people. He was having a tough time and really a rough life. However when his team needed him, it was loyalty that brought him back. That is the kind of teammates I want. Ones when you need them they show up. When he wasn't needed if he felt the injuries, the work, the pressure, the school work with athletics, etc were to much and he needed to step away. However he stepped up. My biggest red flag though with Williams is his fumbles. He had 7 fumbles in 334 touches. That is a problem with him and my biggest concern.
Dave's write ups helped me choose Joe who wasn't my initial target. I looked hard at Kareem Hunt, so when I missed him, I had to find a good alternative. Dave found him for me. Thank you.
I dismiss him for now because he didn't run a 40. Can he play CB? I doubt he has the speed for that. Is he a good enough tackler for FS? Not sure there either, but as a nickel back I like him a lot. Come in on passing downs and cherry pick balls like he did at Alabama!
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We continue to try to rebuild our secondary. Some people dismiss Jackson because of his surrounding cast. That is dumb. After he rehabs the broken leg, he will contribute immediately on special teams as a dynamic returner and can fill in as FS or CB as needed.
I dismiss him for now because he didn't run a 40. Can he play CB? I doubt he has the speed for that. Is he a good enough tackler for FS? Not sure there either, but as a nickel back I like him a lot. Come in on passing downs and cherry pick balls like he did at Alabama!
That and a PR is enough for a roster spot for now!
I went for a high reward pick, figured this was a good time to go for it.
Link to Waldwin's glowing flimroom on Mathis is below. Link - ( New Window )
Joe Mathis is horrible. He is not a play maker at all. Go watch his sacks this year or better yet all his sacks... It won't take long.
2013 - no sacks
2014 - Oregon State... a legit sack. Bull rushed him man and then stepped inside
2014 - Washington State... no pocket to step up into and in fact had to back out right into Joe Mathis.
2015 - Boise State... again went around the outside and the middle was blocked so he couldn't go anywhere
2015 - Washington State... again goes the long way around and he can't get a pass off with the pocket pushing up the middle so he gets him with no where to go
2016 - Portland State... Rolls away coverage to good, Qualls forces him to run right into him.
2016 - AZ... He barely touches his foot which causes him to trip as he ran forward falling down when his feet tangled.
2016 - Stanford... snap was to early and the LT seriously did not move at all. As a matter of fact with his jukes he almost blocked himself all the time while the LT was a statue.
2016 - Stanford... He gets a legit sack around the edge the long way
2016 - AZ state... He gets a legit sack when the LT runs himself way deep to stop the outside rush and he simple cuts inside for an easy sack.
He is not impressive at all if you ask me. With the amazing CBs, amazing DL, amazing Safeties, etc he should have been able to put up way more sacks just from coverage sacks. Then take into count his injuries to both legs. I wouldn't even draft him.
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We continue to try to rebuild our secondary. Some people dismiss Jackson because of his surrounding cast. That is dumb. After he rehabs the broken leg, he will contribute immediately on special teams as a dynamic returner and can fill in as FS or CB as needed.
I dismiss him for now because he didn't run a 40. Can he play CB? I doubt he has the speed for that. Is he a good enough tackler for FS? Not sure there either, but as a nickel back I like him a lot. Come in on passing downs and cherry pick balls like he did at Alabama!
That and a PR is enough for a roster spot for now!
I agree... This late to get a guy that can play a in nickel with good ball skills and also PR is great. I bet if he ran a 40 in anything under a 4.6 he gets drafted sooner than this. Not sure where he will go if he doesn't run though. To me he isn't running because he knows he will post a slow time. That makes me go... hmmm maybe I should pass. I really liked him though prior to the injury.
142. Houston (Boatie Warrant) (com) (from Cle)
143. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock) (comp)
144. Indianapolis (Go Terps) (comp)
I was between Jackson and Nicholson for my last pick.
Amtoft
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Even though they took an OT already, they definitely need more than one OL. Banner is top on the autopick list. My only concern is does he fit Sean McVay's scheme? Holden is next and may fit better. It is doubling up on OT, but Holden can play RT or kick inside while the other pick is more of a pure LT
If it comes down to an auto-pick for the Rams, Orlosky probably makes more sense than another OT. Aside from the earlier selection of Bisnowaty, keep in mind that they signed Whitworth. He's their LT this year, and probably in 2018 unless he hits the age wall. At center, the Rams have an immediate need.
We are late in the fourth and really positions shouldn't matter. At this point you are not looking for starters and a developmental OT to replace 35 year old Whitworth isn't a reason to bypass IMO. I agree with your point though and Tyler Orlosky would be a better fit from a chance to start perspective, but this late a backup LT is not out of the question.
Amtoft
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Hahaha... Can't mess with Matt... To nice a guy and is doing all the work! allstarwhineypineyjim tho... that is fair game!
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Hahaha... Can't mess with Matt... To nice a guy and is doing all the work! allstarwhineypineyjim tho... that is fair game!
Can't let it go, can you. Still refreshing the page, little bitch?
I like his teammate more, but Smoot is a good pick at this point. The scheme Illinois ran this year did not play to Smoot's strengths, but there is potential with that pick. If you are going to be out for awhile (I think you said you were leaving at 4) you may want to send a board to Matt as there are 2 picks before you pick again
Would make looking at the list a little easier for people to pick.
Would make looking at the list a little easier for people to pick.
You could just look at the draft sheet that has them listed as well, they get wiped out there when they are gone.
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would cross out the players on the big board draft sheet after they are taken.
Would make looking at the list a little easier for people to pick.
You could just look at the draft sheet that has them listed as well, they get wiped out there when they are gone.
Damn I wish I had seen that a hell of a lot earlier. I have been looking at this on my phone and sometimes on my work comp and it cuts it off.
OFFENSE
95/98 Tyler Orlosky C
108/125 David Sharpe OT
131/129 Kyle Fuller C
132/137 Jessamen Dunker OG
160/117 Brian Hill RB
126/152 Isaiah Ford WR
137/145 Erik Magnuson OT
156/131 Jamaal Williams RB
106/197 Chad Wheeler OT
148/182 Corey Clement RB
DEFENSE
120/111 Carroll Phillips OLB
89/162 Vincent Taylor DT
122/150 Ryan Glasgow DT
100/176 Davon Godchaux DT
146/130 Vince Biegel OLB
149/142 Devonte Fields OLB
136/160 Connor Harris ILB
128/172 Rayshawn Jenkins FS
lots of ability as an edge rusher, has had problems in the past getting kicked off of TCU after freshman year following a domestic violence incident
Might be worth the chance this late in the draft
Washington Draft so far
Rd 1 (17) RB Christian McCaffrey, Stanford
Rd 2 (49) DE/OLB Tarell Basham, Ohio U
Rd 3 (81) DT Carlos Watkins, Clemson
Rd 4 (114)WR Dede Westbrook, Oklahoma
Rd 4 (123)DE Nazir Jones, UNC
Rd 5 (154)OLB Devonte' Fields, Louisville
I am afraid you're going to have to cancel them...
157. Arizona (DCPollaro)
158. Indianapolis (Go Terps)
159. Baltimore (Mike in NY)
I like your pick. He was in my Top 4 for the pick I used on Douglas and then there was a definite drop. Even though I had already landed an OLB in Barnett, Phillips would have been too good to pass up had he made it to my pick.
Pop that pick! Pop, pop that pick, baby!
Nice pick... I think Sharpe is tremendous value here. Even if he can't stay out at RT I think he can make a really good RG.
159. Baltimore (Mike in NY)
160. Minnesota (allstarjim)
161. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock) (from Was)
Anyone have Go Terps email?
dang that was fast!
Made it to you quickly brother!
too late
Now, I say that and it'll probably have a dozen late rounders that end up in a probowl, but I didn't see any.
161. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock) (from Was)
162. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island)
163. New England (Torrag) (from Den)
Anyone have allstarjim's email?
Ravens like nerdy looking players - see John Urschel
until 4:21PM
161. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock) (from Was)
162. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island)
163. New England (Torrag) (from Den)
Anyone have allstarjim's email?
I think he just created a new one: ihateamtoft@gmail.com
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160. Minnesota (allstarjim)
161. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock) (from Was)
162. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island)
163. New England (Torrag) (from Den)
Anyone have allstarjim's email?
I think he just created a new one: ihateamtoft@gmail.com
HA! Does anyone have any tips on how to unsoak a computer screen? Mine is drenched with coffee.
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160. Minnesota (allstarjim)
161. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock) (from Was)
162. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island)
163. New England (Torrag) (from Den)
Anyone have allstarjim's email?
I think he just created a new one: ihateamtoft@gmail.com
Oh I love figuring out emails... Like figuring out someone's license plates.... Hmmm my best guess... I, hatty, am two feet
Hopefully with time for "UDFA" afterwards! I have some interesting people lined up for that if they are not selected.
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160. Minnesota (allstarjim)
161. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock) (from Was)
162. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island)
163. New England (Torrag) (from Den)
Anyone have allstarjim's email?
I think he just created a new one: ihateamtoft@gmail.com
HA! Does anyone have any tips on how to unsoak a computer screen? Mine is drenched with coffee.
Bill Chris for a new one!
awesome thanks... just making sure.
allstarjim : 4/17/2017 4:08 pm : link : reply
as much time as I want and you can just eat it.
Please sir may I have more?
Work, man. I checked right before a client meeting, I had still had 5 or 6 picks to go, come back from the meeting and all of a sudden I've been on the clock for an hour and a half. Glad I was able to make the selection within the allotted time.
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Work, man. I checked right before a client meeting, I had still had 5 or 6 picks to go, come back from the meeting and all of a sudden I've been on the clock for an hour and a half. Glad I was able to make the selection within the allotted time.
In all seriousness Jim... Don't take things personally. We are just having fun and passing time. Work comes first and we all understand that.
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Work, man. I checked right before a client meeting, I had still had 5 or 6 picks to go, come back from the meeting and all of a sudden I've been on the clock for an hour and a half. Glad I was able to make the selection within the allotted time.
In all seriousness Jim... Don't take things personally. We are just having fun and passing time. Work comes first and we all understand that.
I appreciate it.
163. New England (Torrag) (from Den)
164. Tennessee (NYG27)
165. Detroit (YAJ2112)
Does anyone have Jay's email?
Sweet!
Ahhhhh yeah!
In the final weeks leading up to the draft, more draft analysts have started to place UTEP’s Aaron Jones higher on their draft rankings. Jones is a phenomenal runner that possesses great burst, balance, toughness, vision and pass-catching ability. My favorite of Jones’ skills is his stiff arm which brutally abuses would-be tacklers.
As far as Jones’ character, there will be very few prospects that will shine more than him. He comes from a military family in which both of his parents served on active duty in the US Army. Jones has a core set of values and work ethic not normally seen from a man of his age.
He can back up Carlos Hyde as well as bring a dangerous passing element out of the backfield befitting of a Kyle Shanahan offense.
Eric Gamboa/FanSided
Titans need a deep threat in the passing game in the worst way and Gibson will provide that. He reminds me of a poor man's Desean Jackson.
Rd 1 - Haason Reddick, DE\OLB Temple
Rd 3 - Ethan Pocic, C LSU
Rd 3 - Noah Brown, WR Ohio State
Rd 4 - Howard Wilson, CB Houston
Rd 5 - Shelton Gibson, WR West Virginia
Feel like we've addressed majority of all their needs on the O-Line, Pass Rusher, CB and reshaped the weapons that Marcus Mariota has to throw to in the passing game with Howard, Brown and Gibson.
166. Miami (Optimus-NY)
167. New York Giants (Andy in Halifax)
168. Oakland (Amtoft)
YAJ is up... anyone have his email? Don't think it will get to me so I will send in a board for tomorrow morning.
RD2: Taylor Moton – OT – Western Michigan
RD3: Ahkello Witherspoon – CB – Colorado
RD4: Kendell Beckwith – ILB – LSU
RD4: Taywan Taylor – WR – Western Kentucky
RD5: Rayshawn Jenkins – FS – Miami (Fla.)
I am very happy with the results for the Houston Texans. We have helped out our Offense by getting our leader of the present and future. We have also added some great talent (and a little bit of nasty) for our already stellar Defense. I think the fans would approve.
I will try to check from my phone, but please try monitor if your pick is coming up...
EA has until 11 AM
Magnuson looked attractive because the Giants have shown interest, and he's among the last credible RT prospects on the board. That's not to say I would mind Conner in the fifth - just that he doesn't stand out that much from the alternatives, except maybe on the character front.
Jerod has a lightening fast release, and Big Ben'esk running ability. He is a project, but Paxton Lynch and Andy Dalton have both come from this offensive system. He has the goods to be very good, and he had really impressive numbers in his loan year in FBS.
Given the time to sit and learn behind Big Ben, he could be the eventual replacement, but for now, if Big Ben pulls some Farve crap, Pitt has some sort of a backup plan.
175. Cleveland (Lionhart28) (from N.E.)
176. Cincinnati (Matt G) (comp)
177. Denver (jlukes) (comp)
178. Miami (Optimus-NY) (comp)
179. Arizona (DCPollaro) (comp)
180. Kansas City (English Alaister) (comp)
181. Cleveland (Lionhart28) (comp)
182. Green Bay (MadPlaid) (comp)
183. New England (Torrag) (comp)
184. Miami (Optimus-NY) (comp)
Get boards in if you aren't going to be around!
Mike, I just hack you. Saves time on my research. Honestly, I almost took this guy last round. Absolutely love his film. I don't care how tall he is, dude can play football. Such a fun guy to watch on film.
For my pick Davon Godchaux I had very close to Vincent. He isn't as long as Vincent, strong, or fast, but he is talented. He plays true team ball and a plays his part while also being very good at rushing the passer from the inside. He had 74 combined pressures (14 sacks, 15 hits and 45 hurries) in his final two years in college including 17 knockdowns and 32 total pressures in 2017. I love the value because in the real draft he should go late 3rd to early 4th.
DT DJ Jones is a guy that almost moved to the top of my list after the Raiders released Dan Williams. He is not tall, but a wide body stout guy in the middle. Athletically a man 319 lbs shouldn't be able to run 5.04... The reason though I couldn't put him ahead of either Vincent or Godchaux is he didn't make enough plays and wasn't on the field nearly as much. He feels like a 2 down run stuffer which is very good pick to get in the 5th.
The pick of RB James Conner by the Giants. I am a fan of his. Not just his story which is amazing, but he before his lymphoma he looked quicker than his 4.65 he ran at the combine. I think he can still get some of that speed back. Not he isn't going to be a 4.5 or below guy, but I think he could be a 4.55-4.6 guy. He is exactly what the Giants need to pair with Perkins. A guy who can pound the ball up the middle and eat up yards especially in short yardage situations. In almost 700 touches in his career he only fumbled 6 times. What is amazing about that is most of his runs are power runs right at people pushing piles. Last year 237 power touches and only 1 fumble.
Another great pick here. Blair will go higher than this. He has something like 4 missed tackles last year which is one of the best in college football. One year starter for a smaller team means he gets missed by BBI. Nice pick.
For my pick Davon Godchaux I had very close to Vincent. He isn't as long as Vincent, strong, or fast, but he is talented. He plays true team ball and a plays his part while also being very good at rushing the passer from the inside. He had 74 combined pressures (14 sacks, 15 hits and 45 hurries) in his final two years in college including 17 knockdowns and 32 total pressures in 2017. I love the value because in the real draft he should go late 3rd to early 4th.
DT DJ Jones is a guy that almost moved to the top of my list after the Raiders released Dan Williams. He is not tall, but a wide body stout guy in the middle. Athletically a man 319 lbs shouldn't be able to run 5.04... The reason though I couldn't put him ahead of either Vincent or Godchaux is he didn't make enough plays and wasn't on the field nearly as much. He feels like a 2 down run stuffer which is very good pick to get in the 5th.
The pick of RB James Conner by the Giants. I am a fan of his. Not just his story which is amazing, but he before his lymphoma he looked quicker than his 4.65 he ran at the combine. I think he can still get some of that speed back. Not he isn't going to be a 4.5 or below guy, but I think he could be a 4.55-4.6 guy. He is exactly what the Giants need to pair with Perkins. A guy who can pound the ball up the middle and eat up yards especially in short yardage situations. In almost 700 touches in his career he only fumbled 6 times. What is amazing about that is most of his runs are power runs right at people pushing piles. Last year 237 power touches and only 1 fumble.
PFF is very high on Taylor, has him ranked as their 5th DT, ahead of Wormley.
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I couldn't find any gifs on him so I took one of my favorite clips from youtube and made it, haha.
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nice gif. Wow, that guy flew to deliver that hit like a missile.
I couldn't find any gifs on him so I took one of my favorite clips from youtube and made it, haha.
Well done. I got to learn how to do that.
023. David Njoku, TE, Miami (!)
055. Jordan Willis, DE, Kansas State
087. Ahkello Witherspoon, CB, Colorado
140. Will Holden, OT, Vanderbilt
167 was going to be Vincent Taylor, but Miami took him at 166. BPA discipline would have pointed toward Jessamen Dunker, Rayshawn Jenkins and others. I probably would have done the dumb, knee-jerk thing and reached for a different DT. Godchaux, D.J.Jones and Tanzel Smart don't really fit Hankins's shoes, so I might have gambled on Jarron Jones, who looks the part if nothing else. Charles Walker is a sleeper DT option too, if the lingering concussion effects haven't knocked him out of consideration altogether.
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nice gif. Wow, that guy flew to deliver that hit like a missile.
I couldn't find any gifs on him so I took one of my favorite clips from youtube and made it, haha.
Well done. I got to learn how to do that.
Go to the URL below, paste in your youtube video URL, then set the time of the video you want to make a gif out of. Then hit create gif in the top right, it'll give you a download button and a URL for your new gif.
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+1... that is cool
179. Arizona (DCPollaro) (comp)
180. Kansas City (English Alaister) (comp)
181. Cleveland (Lionhart28) (comp)
182. Green Bay (MadPlaid) (comp)
183. New England (Torrag) (comp)
184. Miami (Optimus-NY) (comp)
Unfortunately, he didn't send me one... I've been sending emails, but he may have gone to bed...
YES!! Nice way to get in there buddy
Love the Tedric Thompson pick. Thought he was going to be available for my list in the 6th. His pass defense for a Safety is second to none in this draft. Great ball skills and has amazing instincts. He had a QB rating of 21.3 in balls thrown his way to go with 7 picks and a ton of PDs also. He isn't the best tackler because of his size, but he isn't horrible either. At worst I think he makes it as a Nickel safety and a solid backup... that is worst case IMO.
181. Cleveland (Lionhart28) (comp)
182. Green Bay (MadPlaid) (comp)
183. New England (Torrag) (comp)
184. Miami (Optimus-NY) (comp)
EA on the clock!
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Love the Tedric Thompson pick. Thought he was going to be available for my list in the 6th. His pass defense for a Safety is second to none in this draft. Great ball skills and has amazing instincts. He had a QB rating of 21.3 in balls thrown his way to go with 7 picks and a ton of PDs also. He isn't the best tackler because of his size, but he isn't horrible either. At worst I think he makes it as a Nickel safety and a solid backup... that is worst case IMO.
Thanks..i almost picked him with my prior pick in this round, I even emailed it to Matt. I did see he was way down the GBN big board so was thinking about chancing it for my next pick...but losing Jefferson to Baltimore I figured why not
SY's take: "*Saubert may need more time than some of these other prospects in terms of strength and skill development, but his upside rivals everyone above him on this list and I mean that. He can really run and track the ball well. His consistency isn’t there yet as a pass catcher, just dropping too many balls in traffic."
183. New England (Torrag) (comp)
184. Miami (Optimus-NY) (comp)
We are really moving now
Mike, you know I'm taking #1 on your board right before your pick ;)
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With instructions to fire my pick as soon as he sees that I am on the clock. If I am in the middle of packing I don't want to hold things up for you's guys.
Mike, you know I'm taking #1 on your board right before your pick ;)
I will be happy with any of the 4 players on the list I sent to Matt, so feel free.
Jacksonville (Kevin in CT)
Cleveland (Lionhart28) (from Hous, Chi)
Los Angeles Rams (BigBlueTT)
Los Angeles Chargers (armstead98)
Kevin on the clock
Don't mind the haters. It is useful to find lesser known players who may have been overlooked in Mock Draft.
I'm guessing 1 pick at a time?
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I'm guessing 1 pick at a time?
Nope. You post who you want. First one to name a player gets him. Most people name all 5 people in one post. Others will try to quickly get a post out with one or two names if they think a player might go quickly and post remainder of their five later
Check again.
I should I have slept in this morning. The commute into work was brutal. Usually takes 45 minutes. Today, 2 hours. Ugh!
I should I have slept in this morning. The commute into work was brutal. Usually takes 45 minutes. Today, 2 hours. Ugh!
NJ Transit?
190. New York Jets (Jon in NYC)
191. Carolina (FatMan in Charlotte)
192. Cincinnati (Matt G)
193. Philadelphia (Chris in Philly)
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No. MTA. The 7th Ave/53rd St. Stop for the B/D/E subway lines lost power. Forced a lot of trains to re-route. Massive delays. Sucked!
161. Minnesota (allstarjim) - *Aaron Jones, RB, Texas-El Paso
161. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock) – *Aaron Jones, RB, Texas-El Paso
Doesn't really matter. Just keep in mind for future posts.
Browns Draft
1.1 Myles Garrett DE
1.12 Malik Hooker FS
2.33 Deshaun Watson QB
2.52 Adoree' Jackson CB/KR/PR
3.65 Chris Godwin WR
4.108 Jaleel Johnson DT
5.145 Brian Allen CB/FS
5.175 Blair Brown LB
5.181 Eric Saubert TE
6.185 Andreas Knappe OT
6.188 Tanzel Smart DT
With that many picks, you know the Browns are going to be making deals on draft night. I would love to be a fly on the wall of their war room.
With that many picks, you know the Browns are going to be making deals on draft night. I would love to be a fly on the wall of their war room.
They actually have no picks in the 7th round, surprisingly enough.
Haha I took two!
Biegel's a steal in the 6th. He'll never be a gamechanger but he's a smart dependable guy and at the very least will be a special teams staple.
We didn't have all the extra picks to play with that we so often have in the past, but special thanks to the Vikings for giving us their first rounder for Sam Bradford.
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Our draft:
14 Gareon Conley CB Ohio State
43 Dion Dawkins OG Temple
99 Amara Darboh WR Michigan
118 Jeremy McNichols RB Boise State
139 Eddie Jackson SS Alabama
155 Carroll Phillips OLB Illinois
196 Jordan Morgan OG Kutztown St.
Thanks Matt for running things so smoothly...
We didn't have all the extra picks to play with that we so often have in the past, but special thanks to the Vikings for giving us their first rounder for Sam Bradford.
Our draft:
14 Gareon Conley CB Ohio State
43 Dion Dawkins OG Temple
99 Amara Darboh WR Michigan
118 Jeremy McNichols RB Boise State
139 Eddie Jackson SS Alabama
155 Carroll Phillips OLB Illinois
196 Jordan Morgan OG Kutztown St.
Thanks Matt for running things so smoothly...
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Haha I took two!
Biegel's a steal in the 6th. He'll never be a gamechanger but he's a smart dependable guy and at the very least will be a special teams staple.
Yeah, I love that kid. If nothing else. ST caiptain for 5 years. I had him on my list for a while but with Cleveland switching to a 4-3, he's an odd fit. I got my Nittany Lion and I'll probably try to grab one more in UDFAs haha
196. New Orleans (Saos1n)
197. Arizona (DCPollaro)
198. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock) (from Bal)
199. Minnesota (allstarjim)
200. New England (Torrag) (from Ind)
201. Washington (Sir-Yes-Sir)
202. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock) (from Den)
superspynyg is on the clock!
Browns Draft
1.1 Myles Garrett DE
1.12 Malik Hooker FS
2.33 Deshaun Watson QB
2.52 Adoree' Jackson CB/KR/PR
3.65 Chris Godwin WR
4.108 Jaleel Johnson DT
5.145 Brian Allen CB/FS
5.175 Blair Brown LB
5.181 Eric Saubert TE
6.185 Andreas Knappe OT
6.188 Tanzel Smart DT
Perfect first 3 picks in my mind and a hell of a draft overall for them.
"Most Intriguing Draft Class" goes to the Saints. Who gets the first drug suspension, Foster or Tabor? Who gets the first jail sentence, Foster or Mixon? Will King draw the first flag for a flagrant foul? Will Kizer ever see the field?
199. Minnesota (allstarjim)
200. New England (Torrag) (from Ind)
201. Washington (Sir-Yes-Sir)
202. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock) (from Den)
Lets go Pete... get these picks in.
RD 2 45 Arizona (DCPollaro) *Quincy Wilson CB Florida
RD 3 77 Arizona (DCPollaro) Nathan Peterman QB Pittsburgh
RD 4 119 Arizona (DCPollaro) *Anthony Walker Jr. ILB Northwestern
RD 5 157 Arizona (DCPollaro) Ifeadi Odenigbo DE Northwestern
RD 5 179 Arizona (DCPollaro) (comp)Tedric Thompson SS Colorado
RD 6 197 Arizona (DCPollaro) Jamaal Williams RB BYU
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RD 1 13 Arizona (DCPollaro) Corey Davis WR Western Michigan
RD 2 45 Arizona (DCPollaro) *Quincy Wilson CB Florida
RD 3 77 Arizona (DCPollaro) Nathan Peterman QB Pittsburgh
RD 4 119 Arizona (DCPollaro) *Anthony Walker Jr. ILB Northwestern
RD 5 157 Arizona (DCPollaro) Ifeadi Odenigbo DE Northwestern
RD 5 179 Arizona (DCPollaro) (comp)Tedric Thompson SS Colorado
RD 6 197 Arizona (DCPollaro) Jamaal Williams RB BYU
The rare back-to-back Wildcats! Nice draft, I really like Walker. Dude can play.
RD 2 45 Arizona (DCPollaro) *Quincy Wilson CB Florida
RD 3 77 Arizona (DCPollaro) Nathan Peterman QB Pittsburgh
RD 4 119 Arizona (DCPollaro) *Anthony Walker Jr. ILB Northwestern
RD 5 157 Arizona (DCPollaro) Ifeadi Odenigbo DE Northwestern
RD 5 179 Arizona (DCPollaro) (comp)Tedric Thompson SS Colorado
RD 6 197 Arizona (DCPollaro) Jamaal Williams RB BYU
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RD 1 13 Arizona (DCPollaro) Corey Davis WR Western Michigan
RD 2 45 Arizona (DCPollaro) *Quincy Wilson CB Florida
RD 3 77 Arizona (DCPollaro) Nathan Peterman QB Pittsburgh
RD 4 119 Arizona (DCPollaro) *Anthony Walker Jr. ILB Northwestern
RD 5 157 Arizona (DCPollaro) Ifeadi Odenigbo DE Northwestern
RD 5 179 Arizona (DCPollaro) (comp)Tedric Thompson SS Colorado
RD 6 197 Arizona (DCPollaro) Jamaal Williams RB BYU
I was about to commend you on a nice haul until I saw that gif of Williams not getting a first down. Wimp.
ha! i was going to post this one
Seriously, I was hoping Williams would be on the board a little longer so Andy could piss me off by not taking him.
Round 1 - Derek Barnett, ER, Tennessee
Round 2 - Dan Feeney, OG, Indiana
Round 3 - ArDarius Stewart, WR, Alabama
Round 3 - Josh Jones, SS, North Carolina State
Round 4 - Rasul Douglas, CB, West Virginia
Round 5 - Deatrich Wise Jr., 5T, Arkansas
Round 6 - Sam Tevi, OT, Utah
Scouting the undrafted and making phone calls to see who wants to join the fold.
It is a 6th round pick. I could have gambled on him making it to the "UDFA" phase, but there were not many OT's that I saw left who could provide depth at RT. Looking more for a Bobby Hart/Marshall Newhouse-type role.
201. Washington (Sir-Yes-Sir)
202. San Francisco (Pete from Woodstock) (from Den)
203. Denver (jlukes) (from Ten)
204. Tampa Bay (Jay on the Island)
205. Detroit (YAJ2112)
206. Los Angeles Rams (BigBlueTT) (from Mia)
207. New York Giants (Andy in Halifax)
208. Oakland (Amtoft)
Sitting at a 9 player board... if we could get in some more picks for me that would be great!
Rd 2 DT Caleb Brantley, Florida
Rd 3 OT Roderick Johnson, FSU
Rd 3 RB Marlon Mack, USF
Rd 4 WR Josh Reynolds, Texas A&M
Rd 4 LB Elijah Lee, Kansas State
Rd 5 TE Michael Roberts, Toledo
Rd 6 FS David Jones, Richmond Spiders
Got some help in the trenches, and really believe Marlon Mack and Josh Reynolds will help the offense in getting them more big play ability and chunk yardage.
Michael Roberts was a great replacement pick for Rhett Ellison, and David Jones, fresh off a tremendous Pro Day, will compete early for a Safety spot, a trouble area. Really believe Jones is a nice sleeper in this draft.
Pete from Woodcock on the clock
I thought I was going to land him as a UDFA and then I saw Sy's scouting report.
As always a great job Matt G. You are a great commish....
Big strong guy who's pretty mobile. Could see him ending up at guard and helping the Washington Line
sjnyfan on the clock
2nd TE Evan Engram
3rd OT Antonio Garcia
4th OT Conor McDermott
5th WR Isaiah Ford
6th LB Samson Ekubam
let's go rangers
Pete from Woodcock on the clock
I strongly considered him with my 3rd and final 5th round pick for the Fish.
I think I really helped the Cowboys restock their depleted secondary in this mock draft plus add a pass rusher that was missing from their defense. DC Mariinelli will coach these guys up.
Tacatta Charlton
Marcus Williams
Damontae Kazee
Jalen Myrick
Xavier Woods
I am pleased with my results from this mock draft. I sought to bring in good players that will help fill in serious weaknesses of the Green Bay roster. I feel I did that. I took some risks on some players who I think in the right environment can really excel. Also, looked for players capable of playing multiple positions which helps with the teams overall flexibility.
1. Chidobe Awuzie, CB, Colorado
2. Tyus Bowser, OLB, Houston
3. Isaac Asiata, OG, Utah
4. Joe Williams, RB, Utah
5.1. Mack Hollins, WR, North Carolina
5.2. Charles Walker, DT, Oklahoma
6. Lorenzo Jerome, FS, Saint Francis (PA)
I am pleased with my results from this mock draft. I sought to bring in good players that will help fill in serious weaknesses of the Green Bay roster. I feel I did that. I took some risks on some players who I think in the right environment can really excel. Also, looked for players capable of playing multiple positions which helps with the teams overall flexibility.
1. Chidobe Awuzie, CB, Colorado
2. Tyus Bowser, OLB, Houston
3. Isaac Asiata, OG, Utah
4. Joe Williams, RB, Utah
5.1. Mack Hollins, WR, North Carolina
5.2. Charles Walker, DT, Oklahoma
6. Lorenzo Jerome, FS, Saint Francis (PA)
Awful draft because you didn't let Hollins fall to me :)
In all seriousness, based on what Dave Te and others have said, I think the Packers would absolutely sign up for those first three picks
Thank you for the feedback. What's crazy is I have found a few other on-line mock drafts where they picked the same guys as me. Even Hollins with my first pick of the 5th round. Freaky. I hope I did the Packers justice.
Really pleased with my draft all around.
"Most Intriguing Draft Class" goes to the Saints. Who gets the first drug suspension, Foster or Tabor? Who gets the first jail sentence, Foster or Mixon? Will King draw the first flag for a flagrant foul? Will Kizer ever see the field?
Thanks B3. I think the Texans got great value in each round
2) RB Alvin Kamara, TENN
3) DT Dalvin Tomlinson, BAMA
3c) TE Jordan Leggett, CLEM
4) WR Carlos Henderson, LOUISTECH
5c) LB Dylan Cole, MIZZ STATE
UDFAs
QB Alek Torgersen, Penn
OL Collin Buchanan, Miami (OH)
RB Elijah Hood, UNC
LB Calvin Munson, SDSU
DE Noble Nwachukwu, WVU
Eric, the UDFA period is going on now. Give it today for those who want to post, or sooner if Matt indicates that is his preference.
2) Dan Feeney, OG, Indiana
3) Ar'Darius Stewart, WR, Alabama
3) Josh Jones, SS, North Carolina State
4) Rasul Douglas, CB, West Virginia
5) Deatrich Wise Jr., 5T, Arkansas
6) Sam Tevi, OT, Utah
UDFA
Avery Moss, DE/OLB, Youngstown State (productive college player and I like his upside as a rush OLB in the 3-4)
Brady Gustafson, QB, Montana (who doesn't want a QB named Brady?!?)
De'Angelo Henderson, RB, Coastal Carolina (bowling ball of a RB and last year's 4th Round pick K. Dixon suspended first four games of 2017)
Jadar Johnson, S, Clemson (underrated S. Not sure how he goes undrafted in this mock)
Krishawn Hogan, WR, Marian (tremendous size and production, albeit at a lower level. Performance at combine indicates that he does have the potential to compete at higher levels)
Thank you once again to Matt G for all of his hard work that he puts in yearly to this Mock Draft.
Congratulations, jlukes. That's awesome. The baby, not the UDFA's.
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Good job again on this!
2) Demarcus Walker, DE, FSU
3) Duke Reilly, LB, LSU
4) Montae Nicholson, S, Michigan State
5) Brendan Langley, CB, Lamar
6a) Cole Hikutini, TE, Louisville
6b) Artavis Scott, WR, Clemson
UDFA
Hardy Nickerson, LB, Illinois
Stacy Coley, WR, Da U
Jon Heck, OT, UNC
Riley Bullough, LB, Michigan St
JJ Dielman, C/OT, Utah
Missed out on Gedeon and Chesson in UDFA. Love my first 3 picks.
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being able to pull the trigger on UDFA signings for once!
Congratulations, jlukes. That's awesome. The baby, not the UDFA's.
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Thanks man! JJLukes will be 4 months old on Saturday.
5'8" and 5/8
Vertical: 40.5" (would have been #1 for RB at combine)
40: 4.43 (4th at combine)
Broad: 10'8" (3rd)
3-cone: 6.85 (3rd)
True Freshman: Started 9 games, ran for 1,049 yards was named conference Freshman of the year.
Sophomore: Set school records with 1.676 rush yards and 2,903 all-purpose yards. Second team all American.
Junior year:Led Division II with 203.9 all purpose yards/game. First team all American. Became school's all-time leading rusher.
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Nick Callander, OT, Colorado St.
Jarron Jones, DT, Notre Dame
Either Dave Te or Sy had a nice write up on Callander, and what I read about Jones on-line sounded like a boom or bust kind of player. Apparently, he has a million dollar talent with a 5 cent head.
2)Garrett Bolles, OT, Utah
3)Derek Rivers, DE, Youngstown State
4)Jourdan Lewis, CB, Michigan
5)Ryan Glasgow, DT, Michigan
6)Ryan Switzer, WR, UNC
Very happy with the way this draft unfolded for the Jaguars. I feel my first three picks could all be drafted in the first round and wouldn't be surprised to hear Rivers be a guy someone feels the need to jump on towards the end of round 1.
Fournette and Bolles were huge for the Jags offense who have no running game so to speak and Bortles needs a lot of protection so Bolles will instantly help out there.
Lewis is a little undersized but could instantly start as a slot corner as he has all the tools to succeed in the NFL. If he was over 6'0" he'd be a first round pick.
Glasgow is a guy who will do all the dirty things to make a team better, blue collar guy who won't be a star in the league but will earn his paycheck and play 10 years in the league.
Switzer is a Wes Welker type who should start out early as the team's PR. He can eventually jump into the slot in a couple years and easily be a security blanket for whoever is throwing him the ball.
Really like my draft, as I'm sure everyone likes there's as well. Will be interesting to see where these guys stand in three years.
January 3rd, so 16 weeks tomorrow. She's getting big man!
Nick Callander, OT, Colorado St.
Jarron Jones, DT, Notre Dame
Either Dave Te or Sy had a nice write up on Callander, and what I read about Jones on-line sounded like a boom or bust kind of player. Apparently, he has a million dollar talent with a 5 cent head.
Jarron Jones was selected with final pick by Kansas City. If I had a couple of more spots I probably would have added Matt Milano (LB/Boston College), Robert Davis (WR/Georgia State), Cethan Carter (TE/Nebraska), and Rashaad Coward (DT/Old Dominion)
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January 3rd, so 16 weeks tomorrow. She's getting big man!
My guy was born Dec 29th. It is crazy how fast they grow and start doing new things!
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January 3rd, so 16 weeks tomorrow. She's getting big man!
My guy was born Dec 29th. It is crazy how fast they grow and start doing new things!
Are we going to have a BBI shidduch?
2) Fabian Moreau CB UCLA
3a) Tanoh Kpassagnon DE Villanova
3b) Wayne Gallman RB Clemson
4) Jeremy Sprinkle TE Arkansas
5) Jerod Evans QB Virginia Tech
6) Amba Etta-Tawo WR Syracuse
UDFAs
1) Corey Clement RB Wisconsin
2) Sam Rogers FB Virginia Tech
3) Jonathan Ford FS Auburn
4) Treyvon Hester DT
5) ToledoBen Gedeon ILB Michigan
Real excited to have picked Tanoh Kpassagnon DE Villanova in the 3rd as there has been a ton of hype around him since I made that pick.
The peanut gallery's favorite pick as was Fabian Moreau CB UCLA.
I was able to fill in the Pitt holes without having to reach for barely anyone. I wish I could have picked a safety somewhere earlier, but I did not want to reach on a pick.
2. CB Cordrea Tankersley from Clemson - another player I am very high on and hope the Giants draft. Raiders needed better CB play and Tankersley has good length coverage.
3. LB Raekwon McMillan from Ohio State - Love the value here as I think he is a second rounder. It wasn't long ago that McMillan was on every mock drafts first round.
4. DE Hunter Dimick from Utah - I took him probably a round early, but I wanted Dimick. I love this kid. So talented and really dominated the Pac-12. All heart and hustle with tremendous power (38 reps in the bench).
5. DT Davon Godchaux from LSU - I almost went DT Vincent Taylor who I has rated only slight ahead of Davon in round 4 and was going to take Dimick in round 5. I thought for sure I was losing both Taylor and Godchaux by doing that so to get Godchaux who was one of the best at rushing the passer at DT last year is great. Team player also.
6. DT Grover Stewart from Albany State - He is going higher than this. He is a monster at 6'4 347 lbs who ran a 5.1 40 and put up 30 on the bench press. Rumor has it he normally puts up 38-40 and nerves may have zapped him. Small school who will need a lot of work, but luckily DT doesn't need as much work as say a WR who has to run routes. He could turn into a dominate NFL player this late in the draft is what I think will be great value come draft day.
UDFA
1. RB I'Tavuis Mathers from Middle Tenn - So under rated and missed in a deep RB draft. I had Elijah Hood a power back rated higher and a steal in UDFA, but I planned on taking both Hood and Mathers. Super talented transfer from Ole Miss and blew up at Middle Tenn. 1500+ rush yards, 500+ receiving yards, 60+ catches (first time ever in the NCAA to have all that). He was thought to be 190, but weighed in at 203 lbs and ran a 4.46 at his pro day.
2. SS Nate Gerry from Nebraska - He hits like a hammer. He was the 3rd best run stopping safety in the draft. Reads the QB very well allowing only a 51.5 percent completion with a 54.5 QB rating against. Better in coverage than he gets credit for with 13 INTs and a bunch more PBs the last 3 years. Allowed some of the fewest deep completions in this draft. Had to many missed tackles going for monster hits in 2014 and 2015, but really cleaned that up. Good size at 6'2 218 with 4.58 40 speed and may be able to bulk up to play LB. Should be a beast on STs right away.
3. TE Billy Brown from Shepard - small school prospect who is a project. Played WR last year for Shepard. At the combine came in at 6'4 255 lbs and ran a 4.7 with 23 reps on the bench. As a receiver he dominated like you need at the lower level with with good big hands he had 99 catches for 1580 yards with 22 TDs last year. The year before he caught 89 for 1492 yards and 10 TDs. Will need work on being a TE and blocking, but as a receiver really showed well at the Shrine game running good routes and great hands.
4. OL Aviante Collins from TCU - He needs more mass to his 6'4 frame with 33 3/8th arms and 296 lbs he ran 4.81 in the 40 and benched 34 times. He has played mainly at RT where he started every game last year, but does have games at LT. I like his potential where if you can put 10-15 lbs on him he could start in the NFL. great feet and power.
5. CB Jeremy Cutrer from Middle Tenn - in a panic pick before I took Keointa Davis I took Cutrer instead of Jack Tocho. Cutrer has good skills though. At over 6'1 with good length I really like his ability to cover, to close on the ball, good ball skills, anticipates very well. He is light in the pants at 167 lbs, but was a very willing tackler. He played very well against Alabama and Missouri. I thought he was better than Erza Robinson.
2. CB Cordrea Tankersley from Clemson - another player I am very high on and hope the Giants draft. Raiders needed better CB play and Tankersley has good length coverage.
3. LB Raekwon McMillan from Ohio State - Love the value here as I think he is a second rounder. It wasn't long ago that McMillan was on every mock drafts first round.
4. DE Hunter Dimick from Utah - I took him probably a round early, but I wanted Dimick. I love this kid. So talented and really dominated the Pac-12. All heart and hustle with tremendous power (38 reps in the bench).
5. DT Davon Godchaux from LSU - I almost went DT Vincent Taylor who I has rated only slight ahead of Davon in round 4 and was going to take Dimick in round 5. I thought for sure I was losing both Taylor and Godchaux by doing that so to get Godchaux who was one of the best at rushing the passer at DT last year is great. Team player also.
6. DT Grover Stewart from Albany State - He is going higher than this. He is a monster at 6'4 347 lbs who ran a 5.1 40 and put up 30 on the bench press. Rumor has it he normally puts up 38-40 and nerves may have zapped him. Small school who will need a lot of work, but luckily DT doesn't need as much work as say a WR who has to run routes. He could turn into a dominate NFL player this late in the draft is what I think will be great value come draft day.
UDFA
1. RB I'Tavuis Mathers from Middle Tenn - So under rated and missed in a deep RB draft. I had Elijah Hood a power back rated higher and a steal in UDFA, but I planned on taking both Hood and Mathers. Super talented transfer from Ole Miss and blew up at Middle Tenn. 1500+ rush yards, 500+ receiving yards, 60+ catches (first time ever in the NCAA to have all that). He was thought to be 190, but weighed in at 203 lbs and ran a 4.46 at his pro day.
2. SS Nate Gerry from Nebraska - He hits like a hammer. He was the 3rd best run stopping safety in the draft. Reads the QB very well allowing only a 51.5 percent completion with a 54.5 QB rating against. Better in coverage than he gets credit for with 13 INTs and a bunch more PBs the last 3 years. Allowed some of the fewest deep completions in this draft. Had to many missed tackles going for monster hits in 2014 and 2015, but really cleaned that up. Good size at 6'2 218 with 4.58 40 speed and may be able to bulk up to play LB. Should be a beast on STs right away.
3. TE Billy Brown from Shepard - small school prospect who is a project. Played WR last year for Shepard. At the combine came in at 6'4 255 lbs and ran a 4.7 with 23 reps on the bench. As a receiver he dominated like you need at the lower level with with good big hands he had 99 catches for 1580 yards with 22 TDs last year. The year before he caught 89 for 1492 yards and 10 TDs. Will need work on being a TE and blocking, but as a receiver really showed well at the Shrine game running good routes and great hands.
4. OL Aviante Collins from TCU - He needs more mass to his 6'4 frame with 33 3/8th arms and 296 lbs he ran 4.81 in the 40 and benched 34 times. He has played mainly at RT where he started every game last year, but does have games at LT. I like his potential where if you can put 10-15 lbs on him he could start in the NFL. great feet and power.
5. CB Jeremy Cutrer from Middle Tenn - in a panic pick before I took Keointa Davis I took Cutrer instead of Jack Tocho. Cutrer has good skills though. At over 6'1 with good length I really like his ability to cover, to close on the ball, good ball skills, anticipates very well. He is light in the pants at 167 lbs, but was a very willing tackler. He played very well against Alabama and Missouri. I thought he was better than Erza Robinson.
Thought with your selection of Godchaux that you would not go for Stewart, who I was hoping to land as a UDFA. Also like your pick-up of Mathers. Had Henderson been selected by someone before I had a chance to post, Mathers would have been my back-up plan at RB. With Dixon's suspension, I wanted to land a RB.
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January 3rd, so 16 weeks tomorrow. She's getting big man!
My guy was born Dec 29th. It is crazy how fast they grow and start doing new things!
Everyday! She has been sleeping through the night since she was 11 weeks old. Which is absolutely incredible.
Everyday! She has been sleeping through the night since she was 11 weeks old. Which is absolutely incredible.
That's awesome man! JJ started waking up once per night at 3 weeks and at 8 weeks he was making it through the night! So lucky!
Yup - about 5 rounds since he's been born. I get 8 weeks paid paternity leave with my company, and I added 2 weeks of vacation on top of that, so I have been off since the Masters started and am pulling daddy duty until June 20th. My mom will watch him once a week or so I can run errands and/or hit up the range/course. Also squeezed in a few rounds early weekend mornings. Handicap is down to a 3.5!
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1. OT Cam Robinson from Alabama - I think the best OL in this draft. I think he can play LT as proof of how he handled the best DE to come out in a while in Garrett. They let him handle him one on one and while Garrett had some plays Cam was great against him all by himself. Would love the Giants to take him round 1. He will start at RT and make the Raiders OL top 3 in the NFL.
2. CB Cordrea Tankersley from Clemson - another player I am very high on and hope the Giants draft. Raiders needed better CB play and Tankersley has good length coverage.
3. LB Raekwon McMillan from Ohio State - Love the value here as I think he is a second rounder. It wasn't long ago that McMillan was on every mock drafts first round.
4. DE Hunter Dimick from Utah - I took him probably a round early, but I wanted Dimick. I love this kid. So talented and really dominated the Pac-12. All heart and hustle with tremendous power (38 reps in the bench).
5. DT Davon Godchaux from LSU - I almost went DT Vincent Taylor who I has rated only slight ahead of Davon in round 4 and was going to take Dimick in round 5. I thought for sure I was losing both Taylor and Godchaux by doing that so to get Godchaux who was one of the best at rushing the passer at DT last year is great. Team player also.
6. DT Grover Stewart from Albany State - He is going higher than this. He is a monster at 6'4 347 lbs who ran a 5.1 40 and put up 30 on the bench press. Rumor has it he normally puts up 38-40 and nerves may have zapped him. Small school who will need a lot of work, but luckily DT doesn't need as much work as say a WR who has to run routes. He could turn into a dominate NFL player this late in the draft is what I think will be great value come draft day.
UDFA
1. RB I'Tavuis Mathers from Middle Tenn - So under rated and missed in a deep RB draft. I had Elijah Hood a power back rated higher and a steal in UDFA, but I planned on taking both Hood and Mathers. Super talented transfer from Ole Miss and blew up at Middle Tenn. 1500+ rush yards, 500+ receiving yards, 60+ catches (first time ever in the NCAA to have all that). He was thought to be 190, but weighed in at 203 lbs and ran a 4.46 at his pro day.
2. SS Nate Gerry from Nebraska - He hits like a hammer. He was the 3rd best run stopping safety in the draft. Reads the QB very well allowing only a 51.5 percent completion with a 54.5 QB rating against. Better in coverage than he gets credit for with 13 INTs and a bunch more PBs the last 3 years. Allowed some of the fewest deep completions in this draft. Had to many missed tackles going for monster hits in 2014 and 2015, but really cleaned that up. Good size at 6'2 218 with 4.58 40 speed and may be able to bulk up to play LB. Should be a beast on STs right away.
3. TE Billy Brown from Shepard - small school prospect who is a project. Played WR last year for Shepard. At the combine came in at 6'4 255 lbs and ran a 4.7 with 23 reps on the bench. As a receiver he dominated like you need at the lower level with with good big hands he had 99 catches for 1580 yards with 22 TDs last year. The year before he caught 89 for 1492 yards and 10 TDs. Will need work on being a TE and blocking, but as a receiver really showed well at the Shrine game running good routes and great hands.
4. OL Aviante Collins from TCU - He needs more mass to his 6'4 frame with 33 3/8th arms and 296 lbs he ran 4.81 in the 40 and benched 34 times. He has played mainly at RT where he started every game last year, but does have games at LT. I like his potential where if you can put 10-15 lbs on him he could start in the NFL. great feet and power.
5. CB Jeremy Cutrer from Middle Tenn - in a panic pick before I took Keointa Davis I took Cutrer instead of Jack Tocho. Cutrer has good skills though. At over 6'1 with good length I really like his ability to cover, to close on the ball, good ball skills, anticipates very well. He is light in the pants at 167 lbs, but was a very willing tackler. He played very well against Alabama and Missouri. I thought he was better than Erza Robinson.
Thought with your selection of Godchaux that you would not go for Stewart, who I was hoping to land as a UDFA. Also like your pick-up of Mathers. Had Henderson been selected by someone before I had a chance to post, Mathers would have been my back-up plan at RB. With Dixon's suspension, I wanted to land a RB.
It is amazing that Henderson, Mathers, and Elijah Hood all made it to UDFA. Just shows how deep this RB class is. I felt good about RBs in every round after the 4th.
#2 - Pat Mahomes QB Texas Tech(BIG arm can learn behind Hoyer)
#3 - Carl Lawson DE Auburn (will help with pass rush)
#4A - Jake Butt TE Michigan (once healed will be a star)
#4B - Dawuane Smoot DE Illinois (no brainer at this spot)
#5A - Corn Elder CB Miami (under rated because of his height)
#5B - Aaron Jones RB Texas El Paso(perfect compliment to Hyde)
#6A - KD Cannon WR Baylor (a flyer to stretch the D)
#6B - Jermaine Eluemunor OG Texas A & M
#2 - Pat Mahomes QB Texas Tech(BIG arm can learn behind Hoyer)
#3 - Carl Lawson DE Auburn (will help with pass rush)
#4A - Jake Butt TE Michigan (once healed will be a star)
#4B - Dawuane Smoot DE Illinois (no brainer at this spot)
#5A - Corn Elder CB Miami (under rated because of his height)
#5B - Aaron Jones RB Texas El Paso(perfect compliment to Hyde)
#6A - KD Cannon WR Baylor (a flyer to stretch the D)
#6B - Jermaine Eluemunor OG Texas A & M
I thought Adams was not worth the #2 pick, but I think he is a stud and what are you going to do without trades. After that great value on Lawson, Butt, and KD Cannon. I am a big fan of Aaron Jones also. I am not a fan of Dawuane Smoot at all, but the rest of your draft is solid to great. Nice job here.
2) RB Alvin Kamara, TENN
3) DT Dalvin Tomlinson, BAMA
3c) TE Jordan Leggett, CLEM
4) WR Carlos Henderson, LOUISTECH
5c) LB Dylan Cole, MIZZ STATE
UDFAs
QB Alek Torgersen, Penn
OL Collin Buchanan, Miami (OH)
RB Elijah Hood, UNC
LB Calvin Munson, SDSU
DE Noble Nwachukwu, WVU
This is a good draft here. Really like the Carlos Henderson pick and getting Hood in UDFA. Hood is a guy I would love the Giants to draft. He is just so talented. For my 6th round pick my 9 player board had it #1 Grover Stewart, #2 Xavier Woods (love this guy!), and #3 Elijah Hood. Hood is a perfect power back for what we run. Maybe it is the light blue uniforms and #34, but man he look Earl Campbell!! Just running over and through people at an alarming clip. Probably the one player I wish I would have drafted. His running power is amazing while also being good at pass protection and even catching. He is a player I really want on the Giants.
Ha, just saw that. According to Matt's list posted earlier on the thread I had pick 214. The 2 picks posted before I went said they were 212/213 so I just assumed I was up.
Matt Milano OLB Boston College
Patrick Towles QB Boston College
Noel Thomas WR Connecticut
Tashawn Bower OLB LSU
Jerry Ugokwe OT William & Mary
Ezra Robinson CB Tennessee State
Lewis Neal DE LSU
Justin Vogel P Miami (Fla.)
Travin Dural WR LSU
*Al-Quadin Muhammad DE Miami (Fla.)
I'Tavius Mathers RB Middle Tennessee
Marquez Williams FB Miami (Fla.)
*Joseph Yearby RB Miami (Fla.)
In a similar vein, surprised that Jerry/Andy didn't jump on Keionta Davis, Jeremy Cutrer and Stacy Coley. (Farther afield, Elijah Hood, Corey Clement or Sam Rogers would have been nice too.)
You did not miss him. Denver was second team to get UDFA in took him
Browns
1.1 Miles Garrett (1.1) +0
1.12 Malik Hooker (1.15) -3
2.33 Deshaun Watson (1.12) +21
2.52 Adoree' Jackson (1.18) +34
- denotes my selection was earlier, + later.
Browns
1.1 Miles Garrett (1.1) +0
1.12 Malik Hooker (1.15) -3
2.33 Deshaun Watson (1.12) +21
2.52 Adoree' Jackson (1.18) +34
- denotes my selection was earlier, + later.
Stupid BBI mock drafts that are scared to taking QBs! I almost took Trubisky for the Raiders at 24 meaning I would be +22 right now because I knew he would never get that far. Nice drafting there and Adoree Jackson going that high was a shock to me. After you took him and I thought he said his only issue is he is a slot CB and you were like yeah and they play slot CBs on the field most of the game and I was that is a good point and he is going to be a great one there so it makes a lot of sense. Clearly they read out conversation!
Oh the Raiders... -X right now until Cam Robinson gets drafted
*Mitch Trubisky QB North Carolina #2 (+23)
Taylor Moton OT Western Michigan #64 (-7)
Ahkello Witherspoon CB Colorado #66 (+23)
Kendell Beckwith ILB LSU #107 (+23)
Taywan Taylor WR Western Kentucky #72 (+70)
Rayshawn Jenkins FS Miami (Fla.) not drafted yet
2) RB Alvin Kamara, TENN (Mock 52, Actual 67) -15
3) DT Dalvin Tomlinson, BAMA (Mock 82, Actual 55) +27
3c) TE Jordan Leggett, CLEM ( Mock 101, Actual XXX)
4) WR Carlos Henderson, LOUISTECH (Mock 126, Actual 82) +44
5c) LB Dylan Cole, MIZZ STATE (Mock 176, Actual XXX)
6) LB Jordan Evans, Oklahoma (Mock 202, Actual XXX)
UDFAs
QB Alek Torgersen, Penn
OL Collin Buchanan, Miami (OH)
RB Elijah Hood, UNC
LB Calvin Munson, SDSU
DE Noble Nwachukwu, WVU
I guessed on the wrong tackle for them.
Tomlinson & Henderson went 1+ rounds earlier than I took them, so that helped me make up some ground on my first two picks.
Currently sitting at +44, with a minus coming from Leggett once he gets picked
2) RB Alvin Kamara, TENN (Mock 52, Actual 67) -15
3) DT Dalvin Tomlinson, BAMA (Mock 82, Actual 55) +27
3c) TE Jordan Leggett, CLEM ( Mock 101, Actual 150) -49
4) WR Carlos Henderson, LOUISTECH (Mock 126, Actual 82) +44
5c) LB Dylan Cole, MIZZ STATE (Mock 176, Actual 254 UDFA) -78
6) LB Jordan Evans, Oklahoma (Mock 202, Actual 193) +9
UDFAs (254)
QB Alek Torgersen, Penn
OL Collin Buchanan, Miami (OH)
RB Elijah Hood, UNC (Actual 242) +12
LB Calvin Munson, SDSU
DE Noble Nwachukwu, WVU