Eli Manning HOF viability:
Pros
Top 10 all time in passing yards (#7)
Top 10 all time in completed passes (#8)
Top 10 all time in passing TDs (#7)
Top 10 all time in passing attempts (#7)
Top 10 all time in 4th quarter comebacks (#7)
2 superbowl wins, 2 superbowl MVPs, 8-4 playoff record
Upright citizen
Cons
Low career completion percentage (60%)
Low-ish career passer rating (84)
Two terrible regular seasons (2004, 2013)
We all know many of his playoff performances were out of this world (passer ratings by game: 132, 129, 117, 115, 104, 87, 86, 82, 72, 72, 41, 35), but his career average playoff rating is only 87 largely due to that terrible Carolia loss (35) in 2005 and that nightmarish Eagles loss (41) the year Burress shot himself (2008). So he has had two horrific playoff performances, although somewhat early in his career.
I know football isn't a stats game, eyeball test, and all that, but after another season or two he is knocking at the top 5 in many of those categories above. Now granted he won't make the top 5 in most if not all of those categories. But peep who is in the top 5. He is breathing rarified air. I think he gets in easily, maybe first ballot.
My Manning hate is not restricted to Eli.
It didn't happen with Ei.
Didn't happen with Peyton either. He didn't carry that defense or will Bob Sanders to dominate, but according to some it's always the QB.
Other NFL players who vote in that top 100 NFL network have never ranked him high.
Today, Ryan Clark was talking about how overrated Romo was and while he was saying it he said he was a tougher guy to prepare for then Eli.
Outsid did the NYG fan base he doesn't get recognition as a great QB. Very good at time. Never elite. Durable. With some notable wins. That's the rep he has outside of NY.
That's not entirely true at all. That's one perception in or outside the NYC area but not the only one and I don't think it's the prominent perception. I've run into many fans from other regions who love Eli. Matter of fact most fans outside the area that aren't idiotic say Eli is a lock for the hof. Writers are a different story i think Eli will get in assuming he pads a little more. Some additional playoff success would not hurt. That too will come.
Because, outside Giants fans, there are a lot of people that consider Eli = Flacco type of player.
If flacco leads the ravens to an another insanely clutch postseason tour ending in a super bowl title? Yes he's in but like Eli he will have to wait. No first ballot.
Super Bowls count a lot. For Every season where the qb is "ranked outside the top ten" the super bowl title where the qb earned every yard trumps that crap ten fold.
And please save me this crap that Eli was ranked outside the top ten every year. Not only is this not true it's not a fair way to judge the guy.
You don't have to be a "great" qb to have a great career. I use quotes because great is subjective horse shit. Define great?
Eli has had a great career even if he wasn't ever top 3. Hof takes many things into account. You have to check off a lot of boxes. Eli has checked off enough assuming he can pad just a little bit more and mini shine in January once more. The guy has stamped himself all over the NFL landscape this era. That's hof caliber.
Eli and his 6 fourth quarter comebacks (up to that point in the season) are the difference between 7-7 and 1-7 honestly.
THe defense that season had bad stretches, including 4 losses in a row that yielded historically bad results.
He carried the team in 2 wins. Only 2 required more than 25 points to win. Arz and Dal in game 1. Other than that how did his out of mind play get us there?
The Defense was excellent in 6 of the 9 wins and good in one other.. 5 of wins they allowed 17 or less. 20 on the road vs NE. Was that about the QB in those wins?
And the WAS game with 3 games left? Another strong defrensive game. INT on first play of game. 2 INTs on first 3 series. 3YPC. Only allows 189 yards passing. Eli had 3 picks. 2 in our end that led to 10 points.
they have a defence capable of winning them a superbowl again if the OL can improve enough
Eli and his 6 fourth quarter comebacks (up to that point in the season) are the difference between 7-7 and 1-7 honestly.
THe defense that season had bad stretches, including 4 losses in a row that yielded historically bad results.
What part of the season were those 4 losses?
"According to some" is pretty much most of the NFL fan base and storylines from the Colts SB, which is ironic because isn't that what you are pointing to as a factor for Eli not being a lock for the HOF?
Why is the opinion from other fans and reporters valid for Eli, but are deemed unworthy in other cases?
Probably because it doesn't suit the agenda of trying to marginalize the guy.
Any of those other guys not in the HOF?
And I dont think you can tell the story of the NFL without Eli Manning
The 2 Super Bowl wins were just too consequential since they were over the unbeaten Patriots and the greatest dynasty, HC and QB of all-time.
Not too mention the spectacular runs to get there, the Ice Bowl II win, etc.
Eli became the first QB ever to need a TD ito win n the SB in the final drive and deliver.
Obviously the greatest play of all time in the Tyree play and the incredible Manningham throw.
These weren't just any Super Bowl wins that time will forget. He is etched in SB history.
Plus, Eli's Iron Man streak and the fact he has QBd a premier NFL franchise for so long. We aren't the Tampa Bay Buccaneers here.
There is just no way to tell the history of the NFL without Eli Manning and thats why he should get in.
Player A-
2 Super Bowls
2 Super Bowl MVPs
2 SB winning drives
48K yds 320 TD 215 INT
4 Pro Bowls
5 4000 yd seasons
4 30 TD seasons
"Best" season- 4933 yds 29 TD 16 INT wins SB 4-0, MVP, 1219 Yds 9 TD 1 INT. Wins 2 road games and 3 upsets
ESPN HoF rating- 40% chance
Player B-
2 Super Bowls
1 Super Bowl MVP
1 SB winning drive
47K yds 301 TD 160 INT
5 Pro Bowls
4 4000 yd seasons
2 30 TD seasons
"Best" season - 4952 yds 32 TD 9 INT. One and done in playoffs 334 yds 1 TD 1 INT. Upset at home
ESPN HoF rating- 90%
Neither player has achieved a vote for NFL MVP
You really have to split hairs to say one is definately a HoFer and the other isnt.
I would argue that Eli has a slight advantage when looking at the overall facts of the career unbiasedly. He has same SBs. More SB mvps, more YDs, more TDs, more 4000 yd years, more 30 TD years, more important SB wins, has 2 SB winning drives.
Player A-
2 Super Bowls
2 Super Bowl MVPs
2 SB winning drives
48K yds 320 TD 215 INT
4 Pro Bowls
5 4000 yd seasons
4 30 TD seasons
"Best" season- 4933 yds 29 TD 16 INT wins SB 4-0, MVP, 1219 Yds 9 TD 1 INT. Wins 2 road games and 3 upsets
ESPN HoF rating- 40% chance
Player B-
2 Super Bowls
1 Super Bowl MVP
1 SB winning drive
47K yds 301 TD 160 INT
5 Pro Bowls
4 4000 yd seasons
2 30 TD seasons
"Best" season - 4952 yds 32 TD 9 INT. One and done in playoffs 334 yds 1 TD 1 INT. Upset at home
ESPN HoF rating- 90%
Neither player has achieved a vote for NFL MVP
You really have to split hairs to say one is definately a HoFer and the other isnt.
I would argue that Eli has a slight advantage when looking at the overall facts of the career unbiasedly. He has same SBs. More SB mvps, more YDs, more TDs, more 4000 yd years, more 30 TD years, more important SB wins, has 2 SB winning drives.
eli only has 3 30+ TD seasons, not 4. eli also has 55 more INTs and only 19 more TDs than ben, despite having played in 14 more games than him. so eli's career TD/INT ration is a lot higher than ben's, and his career passer rating is a lot lower. also, the steelers won the SB in ben's rookie year, not sure you can hold not making MVP against him, given how terrible eli was through most of his rookie season. eli is definitely more durable than ben that's for sure. i'd think they are ranked about even at this point. i imagine ben will be in the top 10 for a number of the all time records by the time he retires.
This is false. For one thing, the Pro Football Hall of Fame is an NPO. For another, they really don't need to generate controversy for attention. The institution itself also doesn't choose its own members.
What an odd conspiracy theory.
I think the way you conduct yourself should play a role among voters to atleast some extent. They went overboard with hating TO and I would hope some of that is used against Roethlisberger, but I doubt it.
In comment 13421371 japanhead said:
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Of the media
Player A-
2 Super Bowls
2 Super Bowl MVPs
2 SB winning drives
48K yds 320 TD 215 INT
4 Pro Bowls
5 4000 yd seasons
4 30 TD seasons
"Best" season- 4933 yds 29 TD 16 INT wins SB 4-0, MVP, 1219 Yds 9 TD 1 INT. Wins 2 road games and 3 upsets
ESPN HoF rating- 40% chance
Player B-
2 Super Bowls
1 Super Bowl MVP
1 SB winning drive
47K yds 301 TD 160 INT
5 Pro Bowls
4 4000 yd seasons
2 30 TD seasons
"Best" season - 4952 yds 32 TD 9 INT. One and done in playoffs 334 yds 1 TD 1 INT. Upset at home
ESPN HoF rating- 90%
Neither player has achieved a vote for NFL MVP
You really have to split hairs to say one is definately a HoFer and the other isnt.
I would argue that Eli has a slight advantage when looking at the overall facts of the career unbiasedly. He has same SBs. More SB mvps, more YDs, more TDs, more 4000 yd years, more 30 TD years, more important SB wins, has 2 SB winning drives.
eli only has 3 30+ TD seasons, not 4. eli also has 55 more INTs and only 19 more TDs than ben, despite having played in 14 more games than him. so eli's career TD/INT ration is a lot higher than ben's, and his career passer rating is a lot lower. also, the steelers won the SB in ben's rookie year, not sure you can hold not making MVP against him, given how terrible eli was through most of his rookie season. eli is definitely more durable than ben that's for sure. i'd think they are ranked about even at this point. i imagine ben will be in the top 10 for a number of the all time records by the time he retires.
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Of the media
Player A-
2 Super Bowls
2 Super Bowl MVPs
2 SB winning drives
48K yds 320 TD 215 INT
4 Pro Bowls
5 4000 yd seasons
4 30 TD seasons
"Best" season- 4933 yds 29 TD 16 INT wins SB 4-0, MVP, 1219 Yds 9 TD 1 INT. Wins 2 road games and 3 upsets
ESPN HoF rating- 40% chance
Player B-
2 Super Bowls
1 Super Bowl MVP
1 SB winning drive
47K yds 301 TD 160 INT
5 Pro Bowls
4 4000 yd seasons
2 30 TD seasons
"Best" season - 4952 yds 32 TD 9 INT. One and done in playoffs 334 yds 1 TD 1 INT. Upset at home
ESPN HoF rating- 90%
Neither player has achieved a vote for NFL MVP
You really have to split hairs to say one is definately a HoFer and the other isnt.
I would argue that Eli has a slight advantage when looking at the overall facts of the career unbiasedly. He has same SBs. More SB mvps, more YDs, more TDs, more 4000 yd years, more 30 TD years, more important SB wins, has 2 SB winning drives.
eli only has 3 30+ TD seasons, not 4. eli also has 55 more INTs and only 19 more TDs than ben, despite having played in 14 more games than him. so eli's career TD/INT ration is a lot higher than ben's, and his career passer rating is a lot lower. also, the steelers won the SB in ben's rookie year, not sure you can hold not making MVP against him, given how terrible eli was through most of his rookie season. eli is definitely more durable than ben that's for sure. i'd think they are ranked about even at this point. i imagine ben will be in the top 10 for a number of the all time records by the time he retires.
Did Pitt win his rookie year because of him or despite him? He had some horrible playoff games and a bad SB when they won.
No.
Really? First of all if I happen to agree with the media as a whole on one subject then I must always agree with them? Really?
The post was simply a rebuttal to the comment that Eli is highly regarded outside of the fans. I offered up a few examples to backup my point. Doing this means I must always agree with the general consensus from fans and the media? Interesting way to look and things but It makes no sense at all.
Not being ranked highly by the media, in NFL voting, etc? Isn't that a example of not being "highly regarded".
It something that is discussed nonstop on BBI. You agree with it too, don't you?
Does this "disrespecr" or lack of appreciation from fans and media mean he doesn't deserve the HOF? No it doesn't especially from fans. But it is a clue on how some of the voters may lean or what they want to see before he gets their vote, isn't it?
Right now I say he's a toss up to get in. I think he need to do more to be a lock. Many agree with that here. I don't think it's a knock on the guy.
You think I underrate him? Fine.
I think many overrrate him such as people here claiming he was one man show for the last SB. Why is that such a problem for you?
It's been a few years. The past few days a some here seems to forget what the defense did in 2011. How they overcame a rash of injuries early. Played much better late. Had a guy worthy of DPOY. Dominated some of the best offenses in the NFL. And, in my opinion, it was the defense that was the primary reason for the SB run. That really shouldn't be a problem for you.
Look at the comments. Many forgot about it like that ray of sunshine Greg in VA. They gave up 23 to lowly WAS was his attempt at making a point. When I reply our QB had 3 picks, 2 in our end that lead to 10 points, they only allows 3YPC and 189 yards passing, that is not a rip on the QB. It's a reply to an ignorant comment about a defensive performance.
And there were others. I replied and tried to back my point about the defense. That's all that is going on here.
But the reason the Giants took off was that Eli to Cruz and Nicks became the dominant unit in the NFL. They don't even get into playoffs without that unit crushing it on latter half of year.
"It's still a Cruz and Nicks game"
Giants O rolled in Atl and GB.
The Giants played an amazing D in San Fran and a very good one in NE.
The 49ers Offense was terrible and the Gronk hobbled Pats were not a powerhouse. This helped the Gisnts D look more dominant then they probably were.
This is simply not true
It was more true in 2007 .... the Pats scored with 2 mins left. The D lost it. The game was over, nothing the D could do. The Giants O and Eli needed to do something that never occurred in 41 previous SBs. Deliver a game winning TD drive or lose. Other teams drove down and scored but they could have gotten a FG to tie. Eli needed a TD. He got it. Unprecedented in SB history. That fact alone gives him the Bona Fides to claim his rightful share of the ring. Let alone his Ice Bowl 2 performance
The Giants 2011 scoring defense was the lowest of Super Bowl winners, ranking 25th after allowing an average of 25 points per game. The offense put up over 6000 yds and was ranked 8th in league. It simply false that this was a defensive team. They weren't. The D did come around and play very well in playoffs and we don't win without that. But we were an offensive team. They both earned that ring. Eli put up 1200 yds 9 TD and 1 int in 4 games. It can't be credibly claimed that the defense won this ring.
Hey twosteps....Just like the Colts defense in 2006, the Giants defense had injury issues early and improved tremendously. They played great ball in the last 7 games of the year (including the playoffs).
But lets talk about season long rankings shall we? That tells the real story of how they shut down 7 teams in a row (Was, Jets, Dal, ATL, GB, SF and NE).
They allowed 14 points to the HIGHEST SCORING OFFENSE EVER. Patriots averaged 37 a game. They got 14. The D lost that?
Guess who was #2 all time in point scored? The 2011 Packers. They shut them down too.
10th highest scoring offense ever? 2011 Patriots. Again, shut down by the defense.
The 2011 NYG.
Yes, they were spectacular. They played amazing. But the simple fact is, they needed something that had never occurred before in Super Bowl history in order to win. The score was 14-10 NE with under 2 mins to go. There is no changing that fact. As well as the Defense played that day and that playoffs, they were not winning the Super Bowl on that alone.
By my saying that, this does not diminish the defensive effort. But what some are trying to do is give no credit to the offense and Eli Manning in winning a Super Bowl.
In comment 13421506 KWALL2 said:
They allowed 14 points to the HIGHEST SCORING OFFENSE EVER. Patriots averaged 37 a game. They got 14. The D lost that?
Guess who was #2 all time in point scored? The 2011 Packers. They shut them down too.
10th highest scoring offense ever? 2011 Patriots. Again, shut down by the defense.
I'm sorry that fact bothers you.
In comment 13421507 KWALL2 said:
The 2011 NYG.
Troy Aikman didn'the carry his team (he had Emmitt smith and Michael Irvin as well as a defense and special teams), Joe Montana didn't carry his team (he had Roger Craig, Jerry rice and a defense. Tom brady for as great as he is doesn't win without help from other players and his coaches. The list goes on and on.
Eli is no exception, but he is not Trent dilfer either. I can think of many playoff games where eli played an integral part in helping his team advance in the playoffs and win the superbowl twice.
2007 divisional game against the Cowboys- the Cowboys were dominating the defense in the first half. They were eating up the clock, running and passing the ball at will on us and we had no answer. They score to go up 14-7 with less than 1 minute left in the half. Eli takes the ball and completely changes the complexion of that game by driving the team to a touchdown before the half and evening the score.
2007 superbowl against the 18-0 Patriots- the Giants are down 10-14 with under 3 minutes left. No field goals will help and Eli drives the team down the field and scores the winning touchdown.
2011 nfc championship against the 49ers- never seen anyone take the beating that eli took that night and yet he kept getting up and threw for over 300 yards and 2 td's to help his team advance to the superbowl.
2011 superbowl against the patriots- again Giants trail 15-17 with under 4 minutes left in the game and again eli drives his team with an incredible pass to Manningham down the sideline to a game deciding touchdown to win the game.
As far as superbowl mvp goes, that is voted by the media (80%) who I am sure some of those voters are hof voters as well and by fans (20%), so they weren`t slighting eli or giving all of the credit to the defense.
Bottom line is this. Eli has the hardware, he has the stats and he has lead his team. When it's all said and done he will get into canton. I am sure he will be debated heavily and he will have his detractors, but it will be very hard to argue his accomplishments.
I think many overrrate him such as people here claiming he was one man show for the last SB. Why is that such a problem for you?
Like I said several times, often on threads like these - I get why people overrate him. He's a great Giant and we are on a Giants fan board. He's a 2 time SB winner and MVP, an Ironman and a good citizen. He's the face of the team.
What I don't get or understand is the need, on nearly every thread discussing Eli, to minimize what he's done, marginalize his career, and deflect his success.
You seem to think the people saying Eli "led" the team are wildly incorrect, but then you go to the opposite end of the spectrum, which makes you exactly the same. You expect those that are championing Eli to see your point, but you don't give a flying shit to see the counterpoint, and on a Giants board, it is strange, if not outright bizarre.
Unless one of them wins a 3rd Super Bowl or an NFL MVP, or retires/injured and stunts their all-time stats.
By game
Eli- 240 yds 1.5 TD and 1.0 Int
Ben- 251 yds 1.6 TD and .86 int
Playoffs-
Ben- 239 yds 1.25 TD and 1.15 int
Eli- 234 yds 1.5 TD and .75 Int
Remember, it's not about who is the "better" player
But is one a HoFer and the other not?
To say Ben is in but Eli isn't is pretty much establishing Ben as the bottom of the HoF barrel and Eli as the top of the non- HoF QB
I also believe the defense was the main factor for both SB wins.
Defending that view requires pointing out some of the holes in the other side especially when many of the comments about the defense weren't true.. How is that any different than the posters on the other side making comments about the defense?
And then you take that and say I have a problem with something else.
Somebody saying a QB "lead a team" vs "carrying the worst SB winner ever" is a lot different isn't it?
Unless one of them wins a 3rd Super Bowl or an NFL MVP, or retires/injured and stunts their all-time stats.
By game
Eli- 240 yds 1.5 TD and 1.0 Int
Ben- 251 yds 1.6 TD and .86 int
Playoffs-
Ben- 239 yds 1.25 TD and 1.15 int
Eli- 234 yds 1.5 TD and .75 Int
Remember, it's not about who is the "better" player
But is one a HoFer and the other not?
To say Ben is in but Eli isn't is pretty much establishing Ben as the bottom of the HoF barrel and Eli as the top of the non- HoF QB
both are HOF caliber imo
That is an enormous exaggeration.
A few of the idiots here may agree with you but it is not true. Not close.
You say a few of the "idiots" might agree, but more often than not it is guys like Uconn, Britt, Go Terps, jcn, djm and others who see it.
If you think those guys are idiots, then it proves my point fairly well.
This one didn't disappoint me either as all the usual arguments come out. Just a couple of quick points and I will let the stat-mongers, Eli-bashers and lovers fight it out.
As someone who travels nearly 50 weeks a year to any/all US cities, Eli is largely not considered a HOF by NFL fans across the country. And while I vehemently disagree with that view, it is what it is but I usually just end the debate with the following statement...
QBs that play for over a decade or so with the same team, and during that career happen to be on the WINNING END of a few superbowls are a lock for the HOF. Lock...
This one didn't disappoint me either as all the usual arguments come out. Just a couple of quick points and I will let the stat-mongers, Eli-bashers and lovers fight it out.
As someone who travels nearly 50 weeks a year to any/all US cities, Eli is largely not considered a HOF by NFL fans across the country. And while I vehemently disagree with that view, it is what it is but I usually just end the debate with the following statement...
QBs that play for over a decade or so with the same team, and during that career happen to be on the WINNING END of a few superbowls are a lock for the HOF. Lock...
Yes, I simply add the adjective, 'immortal.' (lock)..What ISN'T an immortal lock is first ballot..Not sure when he gets in, but he gets in.
1 of 2 of them, like you, also think I have a thing against Beckham too. That's wrong as well and its based only on my reaction to his thing with Norman. I don't go pro-giant, it means I have a problem with our player. That isn't the case.
This board is full of eli comments and threads. Very few do I comment. There have been 2 recently. I made a comment to Terps about his claim that Eli carried the worst team ever to a SB win. Again, part of the reply was pointing out that maybe he's overestimating Eli's contribution.
The really bizarre thing to me is how some get so upset about it and have to reach back and pull out the Cutler reference on any unfavorable comment I make about Eli.
Yes I liked Cutler a lot coming out of college. And posted here he was better than Eli early in his NFL career. When he was on the block, I thought CHI got a deal for him. It was wrong. They did not. The guy didn't improve.
10 years ago, when this was discussed here. I said I would trade Eli for Cutler. As well as Rodgers and Palmer too.
Isn't it time to find something new?
You used to take shots to me about Palmer (especially after the Oak trade). Same kind of stuff. I liked Palmer better than Eli and it caused some kind of problem for you.
It's OK to think players from other teams are better than some on your team isn't it? On a site where football is discussed, it should be OK to post it too.
This one didn't disappoint me either as all the usual arguments come out. Just a couple of quick points and I will let the stat-mongers, Eli-bashers and lovers fight it out.
As someone who travels nearly 50 weeks a year to any/all US cities, Eli is largely not considered a HOF by NFL fans across the country. And while I vehemently disagree with that view, it is what it is but I usually just end the debate with the following statement...
QBs that play for over a decade or so with the same team, and during that career happen to be on the WINNING END of a few superbowls are a lock for the HOF. Lock...
The "same team" qualifier narrows the field to a set that eliminates the conversation. There are very few QBs that have won multiple SBs. There are also very few QBs that have played for the same team for a decade or more. The intersection of that is a very small group. But nothing about it defines HOF-worthiness, especially the same team part.
Eli is right there with Jim Plunkett, IMO. With the necessary statistical adjustment for era and style of play, I think they're very similar candidates. Plunkett isn't in. Eli will wait a long time too.
What Giants fans don't want to recognize is that Eli has never been the top QB in the sport. He hasn't even been top 5 at any point in his career. That's really not HOF-caliber. He's been incredibly durable. He had two amazingly clutch playoff runs. And aside from those two factors, he's a stat compiler who has been inconsistent through much of his career and has a last name that begs comparison to an all-time great, and entered the league with an air of entitlement surrounding him and his refusal to play for the Chargers.
I don't think he's anywhere near the lock that many Giants fans think he is. The HOF is about perception as much as anything else. And outside of Giants fans, I don't get the sense that he's perceived as a HOF QB, even with 2 SBs and 2 SB MVPs.
Beckham is a polarizing guy and I've always seen why people give him shit. The only time I ever come down against people ranting against Beckham is if they think he should be cut "for the good of the team" and idiotic shit like that.
I'm not against criticizing of the team. There are a lot of people here who do it and they have points. Where I get irritated is if it is the blindly moronic, "Fire Person X", "Cut Player X" comments, or if it is a continual agenda against a player or a coach. I'm not going to rant at somebody for saying Eli isn't the best QB in the league, but I'm probably going to do it if he's called a game manager or a primary issue with the team.
But you seem to be perplexed why I'm ranting, while you're doing the same thing - just on the opposite end of the argument. You're against over-exaggeration just like I am.
Eli has been a franchise QB since day 1 on multiple massive Contracts.
Plunkett has a career 72-72 record. Eli has a career 116-95 record as a starter.
Plunkett has 194 Int to 163 TDs. Yes more int then TDs
Eli has 320 TD to 201 Int. That's slot more TDs then int.
Plunkett never made a Pro Bowl. Manning made 5.
The comparison is not even close even accounting for era.
It's not fair nor accurate, but neither of those things really matter, unfortunately.
As far as I know, none of us are HOF voters. I'm just voicing my opinion as to what the perception of Eli is outside of the Giants fanbase. My point about the stat compiling is just that I don't think the counting stats will carry much weight when adjusted for era. I predict that they'll be treated like Blyleven's pitching stats were in baseball.
And the comebacks require context, don't they? You need to be losing in order to stage a comeback.
All I'm saying is that Eli is not nearly as highly regarded by the general public or the general football community as he is by Giants fans. His HOF candidacy is no sure thing, IMO.
Eli is right there with Jim Plunkett, IMO.
I am filing this one away into "My Favorite BBI comments" folder. Thanks for the submission...
The HoF has 8 QB's who played in the 90's (Favre, Moon, Marino, Montana, Young, Aikman, Kelly, Elway), 9 if you count Warner which you should since he won the MVP and Superbowl that season.
So if 9 QB's over a 15 year period made it, and its even more of a passing league now, why wouldn't atleast 6 or 7 get in now over that next 15 year span?
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outside of 2 suberbowl runs where he played out of his mind, and 2 SB MVPs, eli is just some "stat compiler?" so being 7th all time in 4th quarter comebacks is just some bullshit meaningless stat? coz that stat tells me that eli is one of 10 most clutch QBs ever. i know he's thrown a lot of picks but come on now.
As far as I know, none of us are HOF voters. I'm just voicing my opinion as to what the perception of Eli is outside of the Giants fanbase. My point about the stat compiling is just that I don't think the counting stats will carry much weight when adjusted for era. I predict that they'll be treated like Blyleven's pitching stats were in baseball.
And the comebacks require context, don't they? You need to be losing in order to stage a comeback.
All I'm saying is that Eli is not nearly as highly regarded by the general public or the general football community as he is by Giants fans. His HOF candidacy is no sure thing, IMO.
i understand your point about stats and different eras when it comes to things like total career passing yards, or pass attempts/completions, but when it comes to a stat like 4th quarter comebacks, it's ridiculous for you to devalue him based on the fact that "the only reason he had to come from behind was because the team was losing." that is idiotic.
the top 6 all time in 4th quarter comebacks are: peyton, brady, marino, untias, elway, montana. eli is tied with favre (who had a 19 year long career) for 7th all time. with 2 more 4th quarter comebacks in his career he passes montana on the all time list. that is absolutely a relevant stat that HoF voters will consider. it's basically the "how money is this QB when the chips are down" stat.