Eli Manning HOF viability:
Pros
Top 10 all time in passing yards (#7)
Top 10 all time in completed passes (#8)
Top 10 all time in passing TDs (#7)
Top 10 all time in passing attempts (#7)
Top 10 all time in 4th quarter comebacks (#7)
2 superbowl wins, 2 superbowl MVPs, 8-4 playoff record
Upright citizen
Cons
Low career completion percentage (60%)
Low-ish career passer rating (84)
Two terrible regular seasons (2004, 2013)
We all know many of his playoff performances were out of this world (passer ratings by game: 132, 129, 117, 115, 104, 87, 86, 82, 72, 72, 41, 35), but his career average playoff rating is only 87 largely due to that terrible Carolia loss (35) in 2005 and that nightmarish Eagles loss (41) the year Burress shot himself (2008). So he has had two horrific playoff performances, although somewhat early in his career.
I know football isn't a stats game, eyeball test, and all that, but after another season or two he is knocking at the top 5 in many of those categories above. Now granted he won't make the top 5 in most if not all of those categories. But peep who is in the top 5. He is breathing rarified air. I think he gets in easily, maybe first ballot.
He's got the rings, and thanks to Beckham he's scaling the all time list in multiple categories.
At the end of the day, there are too many championships and "____ all time in ____" next to his resume to keep him out after a couple more seasons.
Romo a hall of famer with @ playoff Wins???????????
In comment 13419914 figgy2989 said:
Look up who votes and will still likely be voting. With a few exceptions. the general opinion on him as a player from most of those guys isn't usually glowing and as rate stats seep into the discussion more, it will only hurt him worse. 2013 unfortunately and unfairly completely wrecked how he had been turning his narrative around. He's viewed as an inconsistent turnover machine that consistently misses the playoffs and has to be carried to any success by the defense and now Beckham. Even his SB MVPs get routinely tagged with "... but they could/should have gone to someone else."
Look up who votes and will still likely be voting. With a few exceptions. the general opinion on him as a player from most of those guys isn't usually glowing and as rate stats seep into the discussion more, it will only hurt him worse. 2013 unfortunately and unfairly completely wrecked how he had been turning his narrative around. He's viewed as an inconsistent turnover machine that consistently misses the playoffs and has to be carried to any success by the defense and now Beckham. Even his SB MVPs get routinely tagged with "... but they could/should have gone to someone else."
I'm not sure I agree with your assessment. People like to talk about how there's this big agenda against Eli Manning and I don't see it. Earlier in his career you could certainly make that claim, but not now. Nobody goes after him
. Also, I don't see anyone on the list of hall of fame voters that would make me think twice other than Gary Myers.
http://www.profootballhof.com/heroes-of-the-game/becoming-a-hall-of-famer/
It's not like it's a who's who of media personalities that are known to be Anti-Eli.
It's mostly about perception and narrative though. Something doesn't have to be accurate or accurately paint the full picture (2013 was pretty much Gilbride throwing him to slaughter, with how terrible that group was, but he's the one who has to carry it) to be accepted. If he was louder or had more swag or wasn't Peyton's little lesser brother, maybe the bad things wouldn't have stuck or stick the way they do for his image and the picks, playoff misses, etc wouldn't matter like they never did for someone like Favre.
Other NFL players who vote in that top 100 NFL network have never ranked him high.
Today, Ryan Clark was talking about how overrated Romo was and while he was saying it he said he was a tougher guy to prepare for then Eli.
Outsid did the NYG fan base he doesn't get recognition as a great QB. Very good at time. Never elite. Durable. With some notable wins. That's the rep he has outside of NY.
Other NFL players who vote in that top 100 NFL network have never ranked him high.
Today, Ryan Clark was talking about how overrated Romo was and while he was saying it he said he was a tougher guy to prepare for then Eli.
Outsid did the NYG fan base he doesn't get recognition as a great QB. Very good at time. Never elite. Durable. With some notable wins. That's the rep he has outside of NY.
Dude you are so predictable...clueless how hard to win not one but two SB's...
Ryan Clark my ass...
For the past 10 years we've seen QB rankings consistently rank Eli outside of the top 10. Year after year. Isn't that a sign he isn't highly regarded outside of this fan base?
LOL!
There are a few QBs in already that couldn't hold Eli's jock.
Well hell. Romo didn't turn down a team that drafted him, did he?
:>)
He's not the greatest QB of all time but he's a ball of Famer
For the past 10 years we've seen QB rankings consistently rank Eli outside of the top 10. Year after year. Isn't that a sign he isn't highly regarded outside of this fan base?
I think you care and put entirely too much stock in lists and sound bites. Look at the selection committee instead of guys like Ryan Clarke.
Hell, just yesterday, we were told that in the Giants two SB runs that the defense really was the reason we have the rings.
I'll ask the question I always do: How many times in the Eli Manning Era have the Giants had the best team? How many rings do they have?
My answer is they have been the best team zero times and won two rings. That's enough to get Eli into the HOF, and it is surely enough to get people who rated Jay Cutler as better to realize how idiotic they sound on every Eli thread.
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Tony Romo gets voted in as a first ballot hall of famer while Eli doesn't get in until his 2nd or 3rd shot.
Romo a hall of famer with @ playoff Wins???????????
Romo gets in as a holder
Tony Romo Was A Good QB In An Era Of Great Ones - ( New Window )
Being an iron man is probably his most underrated trait. It's also a trait that's highly regarded across all of sports.
First of all, the defense is the reason we won the SB and that isn't a shot at Eli unless your one of the guys with a need to defend him on any front: my issue with that thread was Terpa saying he carries the worst team to ever win a SB. That's idiotic. And so is defending that BS point.
My point here? Is it a shot at Eli? Only in the eyes of a few. Surprised you're in that group but I see you are and fall back on the old Cutler routine.
Why not stick to the point?
Eli is "highly regarded" outside of teams?
You agree with that?
I know you don't because your one of the guys who bitches the most when these rankings are posted here. Every year, like another weak Cutler reference, you are here to bitch about it.
I don't think he's highly regarded outside of fans. Most believe he was not and never has been an elite player.
Time to reply with more Cutler BS? Have at it.
Because, outside Giants fans, there are a lot of people that consider Eli = Flacco type of player.
Because, outside Giants fans, there are a lot of people that consider Eli = Flacco type of player.
Because, outside Giants fans, there are a lot of people that consider Eli = Flacco type of player.
1. That's a big assed "if".
2. Will Joe Flacco finish in the top 5-10 in all of the all time categories that Eli has?
3. Does Joe Flacco have anything unique on his resume, like Eli's current iron man streak?
I don't take every comment against Eli as an attack - just ones that are pretty idiotic, especially the attempts to downplay his significance to this team's history.
I don't give a shit about rankings or what reporter's comments are. When I chime in on these threads - it isn't to talk about the rankings - it is usually to rebut the ramblings of supposed Giants fans. The ones that feel a need to minimize what Eli has done, whether it be by calling him a "game-manager" while winning two SB's, or throw out comparisons to shitty QB's who have come and gone while Eli is still around.
I really don't give a shit how some reporter ranks things - I give more of a shit that our own fans don't comprehend Eli, especially those who seem proud to wallow in the ignorance.
Its amazing to me that some "Giant fans" like yourself can't grasp the significance of what Eli has accomplished here during his career...
1. Has won 2 Superbowls and 2 Superbowl MVP's
2. Finished in the top ten (likely top five) all time statistically in most major passing categories.
3. Started at least 199 consecutive games (hopefully many more by then, but 199 guaranteed as of right now), basically 13 years without EVER missing a game.
4. Led two game winning drives to win both Superbowls.
Do you even hesitate? It's a stone cold f-cking lock.
The ONLY quarterback with two Superbowl wins not in the HOF is Jim Plunkett. He doesn't have anything nearly close to the rest of the list above, despite playing for like 15 seasons.
So is he highly regarded outside of fans?
Is it the truly informed that consider him elite and HOF worthy? I realize you consider yourself part of this group. Outside of you, who are these people?
Was Clark prepared for that one?
This.
And I don't think he has a chance in hell of going first ballot. Nor do I think he should.
Don't give a shit about what I think or how in tune I am with the pulse of people outside of the team. If you look at that list of accomplishments and think he's not getting in, then you're as apathetic about Eli as you come across on BBI.
So is he highly regarded outside of fans?
Is it the truly informed that consider him elite and HOF worthy? I realize you consider yourself part of this group. Outside of you, who are these people?
Depends on what you believe. The NFL is a media circus, any and everyone fighting for a piece to stay relevant. Take Sal Palantonio. Despite being an eagles fan and saying what he does to appease that fan base, I have a hard time believeing he thinks Eli has an average NFL career. It just doesn't make sense.
His body of work, his iron man streak, his 2 historic SB wins, and his philanthropy makes him a shoe in. He's a true ambassador to the sport. Not sure what else you are looking for.