Marshall as a #2? He played hurt in 2016. If he regains anywhere near his 2015 form, this is one scary receiving corps.
I know folks really want OL help, but if Howard slips even a little bit, I seriously consider trading up. That four-headed monster would be ridiculous.
As far as trading up for Howard, I'm not sure it would be viable, as they just signed Ellison to a large contract and still have Adams, Tye and LaCosse in the wings. Yea, Howard would be a huge upgrade at the position, but at what cost? I think an Evan Engram in the 2nd round, and possibly a more probable solution, could bring a serious threat to other teams also in our passing game without giving up more picks.
As far as trading up for Howard, I'm not sure it would be viable, as they just signed Ellison to a large contract and still have Adams, Tye and LaCosse in the wings. Yea, Howard would be a huge upgrade at the position, but at what cost? I think an Evan Engram in the 2nd round, and possibly a more probable solution, could bring a serious threat to other teams also in our passing game without giving up more picks.
I see Ellison as a role player... more blocker than receiving threat. I have hope for Adams but there are questions about the mental aspect of the game with him. I've seen enough of Tye to know he should be fighting for an NFL roster spot. LaCosse? Wake me when he stays healthy.
The Green Bay WCO needs a serious receiving threat at TE. We still don't have one.
I used to think that, but for whatever reason, this team is jinxed with 3rd round picks. (I know a GM can't think that way, but I can.)
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You consider a 4th to move up a few spots though.
I used to think that, but for whatever reason, this team is jinxed with 3rd round picks. (I know a GM can't think that way, but I can.)
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You're probably right, but if he slips to around #15, I start making phone calls.
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on paper. Hopefully, Marshall is the same player he was in 2015 or the double teams OBJ has been getting will continue. I think his biggest contribution will be on 3 Rd down and Red Zone where he can use his height and reach to help the passing game.
As far as trading up for Howard, I'm not sure it would be viable, as they just signed Ellison to a large contract and still have Adams, Tye and LaCosse in the wings. Yea, Howard would be a huge upgrade at the position, but at what cost? I think an Evan Engram in the 2nd round, and possibly a more probable solution, could bring a serious threat to other teams also in our passing game without giving up more picks.
I see Ellison as a role player... more blocker than receiving threat. I have hope for Adams but there are questions about the mental aspect of the game with him. I've seen enough of Tye to know he should be fighting for an NFL roster spot. LaCosse? Wake me when he stays healthy.
The Green Bay WCO needs a serious receiving threat at TE. We still don't have one.
I'm with you on this Eric, and that's why I suggested Evan Engram in the 2nd. He's another guy that's a nightmare to cover, we don't have to give up draft picks for him IMO, and Ellison could be that guy that's relied on to block, when necessary.
Really - a lot like Martellus Bennett from DAL. Playing behind Rudolph. Rudolph runs up the seam while Ellison blocks. The Giants feel like Ellison has untapped potential as a receiver and I do believe they hand-picked him to be the starting TE.
Ngotu has more warts and may be available at 23 along with other "position of need" players in the Giants top tier. I still think the biggest need is o-line not just because of the need to upgrade OT. With Pugh and Richburg headed to free agency, Lamp is the versatile pick to challenge Flowers this year and protect against free agency losses.
I keep think of Tony G. I seem to think it took him a few years to be that impact guy.
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But I think he's going to go in the top 10 @ this rate.
You're probably right, but if he slips to around #15, I start making phone calls.
Trade up for a tightend in the deepest TE class in recent memory.. No. Now if one of Cook, Fournette, Mccaffrey, get past 15.. ringring
The Green Bay WCO needs a serious receiving threat at TE. We still don't have one.
I strongly feel that the above statement about Green Bay's offense is not true.
Except for 2015 (Richard Rodgers) and 2012 (Jermichael Finley), the Green Bay TE's averaged 30 catches a season over the last five years. The idea that the GB offense thrives off of a serious receiving threat at TE is based on Finley having three great seasons in his first seven years in the league and the fact that his best year matched Aaron Rogers best year. But Aaron Rogers had great years when the leading receiving at tight end only caught 29 passes. (See 2014 as an example.)
John he did score 8 TD's as a rookie he is perfect for us in the slot and will only get better especially with Marshall on board.
Pass catching TE? Not sure that there will be enough balls to make it worth while.
Beckham, Marshall, and Shepard to be the main targets with an occasional pass to a TE or Vereen/Perkins/drafted RB is the way to go, IMO.
You don't know if Shepard will be what we thought? What exactly do we expect him to be? He had a very, very good rookie season. Did you expect first team all pro from a rookie second round WR? Weird concern you have there. Or unrealistic expectations
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That would help with blocking and receiving. Have some concerns about Shepard. I don't know if he will be what we thought. I guess I'm in a wait and see mode there. But if A deal can be done for Howard...
You don't know if Shepard will be what we thought? What exactly do we expect him to be? He had a very, very good rookie season. Did you expect first team all pro from a rookie second round WR? Weird concern you have there. Or unrealistic expectations
Rueben Randle had decent numbers as a #2. If Shepard can at least have those kinds of numbers, minus the inconsistent, bone-headed play, he would be just what the Giants need. I think he's well on his way, with higher upside.
There's no logical that this should happen this season. Just as there was no logical reason when it DID happen in the past. But until this trio is actually able to demonstrate their on-going potency and effectiveness over a 16 games season, I will knock on wood, cross my fingers, fling salt over my shoulder and keep my lips sealed.
Why would he play every down? We usually run with a 3 receiver set which only leaves room for one TE. I see Jerel Adams or a TE we draft at best splitting time with him there. Or they could remove Sheppard and go to a two TE look once in a while.
Why draft Apple when they have paid Jenkins and DRC? They use multiple corners, I get it, but you really think they'll elect to use Ellison like they use Tye? I'll be surprised if he receives at least 25 catches this year. He's a hback/FB/TE. They will use him more ala Dan Campbell or Howard Cross, and the other guy like Shockey where he can be moved around, split out wide, etc. It is crazy to give so much reliance on, pardon my French, Will fucking Tye! He's not that good.
Four meetings including a workout doesn't likely = sh!t and giggles! ;-)
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on paper. Hopefully, Marshall is the same player he was in 2015 or the double teams OBJ has been getting will continue. I think his biggest contribution will be on 3 Rd down and Red Zone where he can use his height and reach to help the passing game.
As far as trading up for Howard, I'm not sure it would be viable, as they just signed Ellison to a large contract and still have Adams, Tye and LaCosse in the wings. Yea, Howard would be a huge upgrade at the position, but at what cost? I think an Evan Engram in the 2nd round, and possibly a more probable solution, could bring a serious threat to other teams also in our passing game without giving up more picks.
I see Ellison as a role player... more blocker than receiving threat. I have hope for Adams but there are questions about the mental aspect of the game with him. I've seen enough of Tye to know he should be fighting for an NFL roster spot. LaCosse? Wake me when he stays healthy.
The Green Bay WCO needs a serious receiving threat at TE. We still don't have one.
I agree Ellison is going to be a FB, HB and TE and not necessarily going be a threat down the seam. Howard or Njoku would be a crazy addition. Think redzone with either TE and Marshall. Think 2 TE sets which will help our running game and help our tackles in play action passing.
Improving the TE position should be job number one in this draft mainly because of the talent available.
I am on the Jarrad Davis bandwagon and he is at the top of my list among players likely to be available at 23.
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on paper. Hopefully, Marshall is the same player he was in 2015 or the double teams OBJ has been getting will continue. I think his biggest contribution will be on 3 Rd down and Red Zone where he can use his height and reach to help the passing game.
As far as trading up for Howard, I'm not sure it would be viable, as they just signed Ellison to a large contract and still have Adams, Tye and LaCosse in the wings. Yea, Howard would be a huge upgrade at the position, but at what cost? I think an Evan Engram in the 2nd round, and possibly a more probable solution, could bring a serious threat to other teams also in our passing game without giving up more picks.
I see Ellison as a role player... more blocker than receiving threat. I have hope for Adams but there are questions about the mental aspect of the game with him. I've seen enough of Tye to know he should be fighting for an NFL roster spot. LaCosse? Wake me when he stays healthy.
The Green Bay WCO needs a serious receiving threat at TE. We still don't have one.
I agree Ellison is going to be a FB, HB and TE and not necessarily going be a threat down the seam. Howard or Njoku would be a crazy addition. Think redzone with either TE and Marshall. Think 2 TE sets which will help our running game and help our tackles in play action passing.
Improving the TE position should be job number one in this draft mainly because of the talent available.
How often do we run two TE sets in this offense?! We have three WRs that we want on the field 90% of the time and so, we'll probably only see one most of the time, and IMO, the one will stay in to block, unless our Oline miraculously gets better this year.
Hope it works out but we need to shore up that O line...
Trade up for a tightend in the deepest TE class in recent memory.. No. Now if one of Cook, Fournette, Mccaffrey, get past 15.. ringring
Why doesn't trading up for a TE in the deepest TE class in recent memory make sense, but trading up for an RB in the deepest RB class in recent memory does?
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You consider a 4th to move up a few spots though.
I used to think that, but for whatever reason, this team is jinxed with 3rd round picks. (I know a GM can't think that way, but I can.)
Center of the target remark!
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Ellison catches over 50 passes this coming season. The fact that he's probably gonna play nearly every down belies this belief. Not that I wouldn't pass on the athletic TE this April but I keep going back to the fantasy of this defense with another bad ass disrupter up front. We need an offensive playmaker, pass rusher and OT. Not necessarily in that order.
Why would he play every down? We usually run with a 3 receiver set which only leaves room for one TE. I see Jerel Adams or a TE we draft at best splitting time with him there. Or they could remove Sheppard and go to a two TE look once in a while.
We usually ran the three wr set last year because there wasn't a te on the roster that could block. Now there is. Adams isn't taking ellison's job unless he goes from a project to a stud overnight. Ellison will play a lot.