We have three very good corners, but the dropoff is huge if one of them goes out of the line-up, as we saw in the Green Bay playoff game.
Trevin Wade is still a free agent and it looks like they won't re-sign him. Sensabaugh signed with the Steelers. Valentino Blake has not been good wherever he has played. That leaves Michael Hunter (?) and Donte Deayon (who struggled in the preseason).
I don't quite disagree, but it's like that at other positions too, positions where depth is a little scarier.
the Giants can still get a damn good tight end later in the draft - and the Olineman in the later rounds have better history of production and potential than the ones being touted with first round grades
What an opportunity to secure that dbackfield this draft with a 2nd or 3rd rounder that would be an immediate upgrade over Wade and/or Sensabaugh!
No if one of rabbit, apple, but probably DRC, gets hurt we are in bad shape. Safties has nothing to do with our cover guys at corner.
I still believe losing DRC in the playoff game is what killed us, so depth at that position would be nice. I am not a draft guy like many here are but would like to see a LB or TE in the first and second rounds and then focus on O-line and DB’s. And maybe a DE if one falls our way? Not concerned about QB this year nor a fan of any of them in the draft.
At CB we have Jenkins and Apple for the next couple years at least. Even if DRC leaves after the year, the 3rd CB isn't an every down guy and for that reason I would be looking elsewhere in 1, if possible! From round 2, it's on.
Can play on the outside or inside, just doubt he's available at 23
The offense needs tackles a right guard a TE a running back, a back up for the oft injured Pugh and a replacement for Eli.
And who knows, maybe King and Lewis are not good enough back ups for the starting three, so by all means let's draft a WR.
The logic of the OP is compelling...
QB's and OT's get overdrafted and the wise teams don't fall into the trap but take the best talent. Our recent 1st Round picks at OT are Pugh and Flowers, one is a good guard and the other is one of the reasons you want to draft yet another OT in the 1st Round. Think about it.
Just not worth a #1 pick this season
Last year we sure as hell 'needed' more help on the OL...but yet we finished 11-5.
So sure, we 'need' another CB. But we also 'need' more OL help, a quality TE, another RB, a quality DT if Hankins doesn't re-sign, a starting Mike, another safety, etc. etc. etc.
Bottom line, the work 'need' is overused on BBI....when people really mean "it would be nice if we had...."
CB depth is a need, not a luxury.
CB depth is a need, not a luxury.
But we went 11-5. So what do you mean by 'need'? We can't make playoffs without more CB depth? Can't with Super Bowl? Can't be competitive?
QB's and OT's get overdrafted and the wise teams don't fall into the trap but take the best talent. Our recent 1st Round picks at OT are Pugh and Flowers, one is a good guard and the other is one of the reasons you want to draft yet another OT in the 1st Round. Think about it.
And I recall a lot of people clamoring for Davante Parker and Kevin White the year the Giants drafted Flowers. How have they done? And what about Agholor and Perryman, two other receivers taken in the first round. There are successes and failures at every position. The teams that draft well draft well and the teams that draft poorly draft poorly. Philosophy's got nothing to do with it.
Oh yeah? Tell that to Bruce!
Robinson might have snuck into the back end of the Round if he didn't have a gun arrest. Something I believe the Giants will take very, very seriously following their experience with Plex and the extremely tough NY gun laws.
As far as the Flowers draft I would have drafted Gurley, Shane Ray or Damarious Randall. Why? They were my BPA at the time.
Robinson might have snuck into the back end of the Round if he didn't have a gun arrest. Something I believe the Giants will take very, very seriously following their experience with Plex and the extremely tough NY gun laws.
As far as the Flowers draft I would have drafted Gurley, Shane Ray or Damarious Randall. Why? They were my BPA at the time.
You and I are just hobbyists at this. It's a fun distraction, but let's not kid ourselves that we are in a better position to judge these prospects than the Giants scouting department.
Also, we will probably pick up a journeyman after the draft and Wade can be resigned at that point if needed.
That doesn't mean we shouldn't engage in the conversation. You like Robinson. I get that. He could be a great player. I wouldn't draft him as high as you would and that's ok too. I think he projects best to RT which devalues his stock a bit and I have concerns about him off the field. That's not a fair analysis?
CB depth is a need, not a luxury.
This has as much to do with the lack of pass rush. No JPP, no viable 3rd DE that can pressure. So maybe DE is more important?
Someone who can be both a gunner and a return guy
Then draft another one!
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in this draft -- I think we have to come out of it with a CB or ER in round one -- and I think the draft talent pool has the depth for it with the edge (no pun intended) going to the CBs
I don't get your logic. If the draft is deep at CB and ER and shallow at OT, shouldn't the Giants take an OT over a CB or ER in round 1 if they are of equal value? Not only is the need at OL much greater than it is at CB and ER, but the fact that the draft is deeper at the other two positions means it will be easier for the Giants to find quality talent at those positions on Day 2.
My logic is that there will be several CBs and ERs available at 23 that have first round worthy grades on them and you can get a star at those positions who will have real impact -- whereas the OTs that will be available will not have first round grades, nor as much impact, and are deeply flawed talent wise, skill wise, experience wise and even size-wise. What's the logic in that in Round 1? It is more logical to wait till a later round to take a flyer on gambling on an OT in this draft. In fact I like a bunch of the late rounders better than the reach a team will have to take in the first round.
Typical Jerry Reese joke aside, I really don't think you can ever have "too many"
Our defense thrived last year due in large part to how well our top 3 CB's played. We were fortunate that they all stayed healthy for the most part (save for incredibly bad timing on DRC getting hurt @ Lambeau)
Depth is crucial at that position.
My logic is that there will be several CBs and ERs available at 23 that have first round worthy grades on them and you can get a star at those positions who will have real impact -- whereas the OTs that will be available will not have first round grades, nor as much impact, and are deeply flawed talent wise, skill wise, experience wise and even size-wise. What's the logic in that in Round 1? It is more logical to wait till a later round to take a flyer on gambling on an OT in this draft. In fact I like a bunch of the late rounders better than the reach a team will have to take in the first round.
New trends pop up all the time in the NFL, and usually, getting ahead of that trend is a good thing. Not saying we have to do this or I even want to do this, but a very legit case can be made for us taking CB early if its BPA. The amount of flexibility it would creative for the back 7 would be enormous.
Yes BPA -- but I have a very hard time believing any OTs will be BPA