It's not a chronic, degenerative condition. He had a tear in the labrum, it happens... it's corrected and he'll be ready for training camp. He played on the injury almost the entire season and performed well enough to be a first team All-American.
It's not that big of a deal. People are treating this injury like it's Jaylon Smith's nerve issue last year or the Achilles' injury for Sidney Jones this year. It's not that serious. Sure, anytime you go under the knife there's some concern, but he already had the surgery on June 5th, is ahead of schedule in recovery, and even performed on the bench and did a fine job considering he was less than two months removed from the surgery. Again, guy had arthroscopic surgery to clean up an issue he played at an All-American level through for most of the season, and will be ready by training camp. He is a legit first rounder, and would be even in other years in which the OT class is stronger.
but hip issues have derailed careers before and its a bad one to have when you play a position where you need to plant, pivot, flex and use all your core power to ward off defenders.
If the medicals check out I'm good with it, but to say it shouldn't be a concern is foolish.
Hip injuries, inexperience, and questions of football passion aside, Ramczyk was getting physically whooped by the players considered the top NFL prospects in the Big Ten. Taco Charlton made his NFL money on him and Malik McDowell abused him enough that Wisconsin needed to keep extra blockers on Ramczyk's side. Ramczyk struggled in his pass sets against the most athletic players in the conference and the NFL is chock full of explosive edge athletes and size speed behemoths. If he starts on the right side is he really a better prospect than Cam Robinson who's bigger and stronger with slightly slower feet? If he starts on the left side does he have the polish to close the gap with the raw but athletically far more gifted Bolles?
but hip issues have derailed careers before and its a bad one to have when you play a position where you need to plant, pivot, flex and use all your core power to ward off defenders.
If the medicals check out I'm good with it, but to say it shouldn't be a concern is foolish.
That's true, and of course you do your diligence, but there isn't one piece of reporting or information out there to have this level of concern. I've actually read about hip labrum surgery repair. The surgery was already done and was successful, and it was reported even that the damage that was repaired was not even as bad as initially thought, and that Ramczyk is ahead of his recovery timetable. This isn't the kind of injury that threatens careers. It's not a Dennis Pitta type of injury, for instance, where he broke and dislocated his hip (and he came back from it). This is a relatively minor arthroscopic surgical fix that has already been completed successfully.
I found the following article very helpful in reading about his injury. Ramczyk has also described it as an "impingement" which is referenced in the article as well:
Hip injuries, inexperience, and questions of football passion aside, Ramczyk was getting physically whooped by the players considered the top NFL prospects in the Big Ten. Taco Charlton made his NFL money on him and Malik McDowell abused him enough that Wisconsin needed to keep extra blockers on Ramczyk's side. Ramczyk struggled in his pass sets against the most athletic players in the conference and the NFL is chock full of explosive edge athletes and size speed behemoths. If he starts on the right side is he really a better prospect than Cam Robinson who's bigger and stronger with slightly slower feet? If he starts on the left side does he have the polish to close the gap with the raw but athletically far more gifted Bolles?
I thought the same about Taco when I initially watched, but Taco did not dominate Ramczyk like I thought he did upon re-watching. Ramczyk actually handled Taco pretty well, Taco made much more plays when he was matched up against other Wisconsin linemen.
is that they are trying to bring in competition at Tackle now, but from all indications they had no interest in competition at LT last year. Several reports had UFA LT told that they were being looked at for RT, not LT.
While I can't confirm this is true, it sure looks like there was no sense of urgency to get LT competition last year. Frustrating.
I guess last year you are a lot more hopeful in a year 1 to year 2 development from Flowers than you are when he's had 2 full years and still needs to grow.
I'm not giving up on him. If they took Ramczyk and he doesn't win the LT job, that's just fine. He could still end up being the best RT on the team, and don't forget there is only one long-term starting tackle on this team to begin with. Fluker is on a one-year deal and Hart has through the 2018 season and that's it. We need guys, both right now to hopefully win a spot, for depth, and for developmental for 2019 and beyond.
I do think if Reese hits a homerun at OT in this draft, and that guy can come in and solidify one of those tackle positions at pass protect and run block at a high level, it's as much a boon to this offense as the addition of Brandon Marshall or a RB. To me it's much more important than adding another playmaker at tight end.
It seems ass backwards to last year punt on a draft unusually high in top OT talent and cost controlled veteran competition only to jump in this year when the pool of free agents is mediocre and market inflated while the tackles coming out of the draft are unusually poor. None of Bolles, Ramczyk, or Robinson are even close to the top 4 guys last year as prospects. Not convinced any of these three are even on a level to immediately challenge Flowers let alone dramatically improve Eli's pass pro. Maybe Robinson or Ramczyk can beat out Hart/Fluker? Bolles projects as more of a pure left tackle, but is he worth moving Flowers to the right side? Seems like alot of draft capital to invest for not a whole lot of gain in a draft loaded with talent at other impact positions.
Our recent record with drafting "developmental OL" players is poor
All our lineman have been top picks, Hart aside. Hart was a rookie who only played due to Newhouse's injury. We have drafted a lot of players like that "Pancake" Hermann guy, Brewer, McCants, Petrus, and Moseley.
If we are serious about the line, and we better well should be, we need to take a player in Rd 1 or Rd 2.
Chris Snee had to retire early because of his hip injuries
at D1. To me he's that good. If he checks out physically for us (and I assume we brought him in to check on that) I think he'd be a steal at 23. Imo he could play any one of LT, RG or RT for us and do a better job than anyone we have playing at those positions currently.
At 23 is a great pick for me what is he lacking to help from day one at OT or OG depending on how the other linemen on this team perform? Let's be clear no one is going to play a perfect season at any of our OL positions but we do need more compitition. Pugh our reported best OL is not a special player but he seems to have a great rep for someone who is nothing special. Taking an injured player at 23 in a talent rich draft makes no sense even at a position of need.
Like it that they are doing their homework on each of the three tackles who should all be first round picks in case everyone else they like is gone before they pick. That said, each has some warts and may not be a great value at #23. And none may be any better than Flowers right now.
Agree with TheMick7 above in that they might get better value in round 2 with Taylor Moton, Dorian Johnson or Dion Dawkins. All three could come right in and compete.
Also think they'd be better off finding an experienced LT to come in and compete with Flowers. A guy with starting experience who would really push him.
of the starting O linemen throughout the league weren't all first round picks, these guys were drafted by people who knew how to scout O line talent and then coached up to be starters by good O line coaches...
RE: After reviewing the SY's draft analysis from the past 2 years
I have no trust in Giants being able to identify good OL.. They should reach out to him and access the OL...Giants are great at drafting WR, and pretty good at drafting DT and DEs but they suck at drafting OL.. May be its a league wide thing.. but we have put in as many draft resources as any team in the league and have one of the worst OL in the league to show for it... I'd rather trust JR drafting from a super strong group of DE, CB and DT or even RB rather than draft a OL..
the Cowboys went into the draft a few years ago to fix their O line and did a really good job so it proves that it can be done if the team is sincere about it...
It's not that big of a deal. People are treating this injury like it's Jaylon Smith's nerve issue last year or the Achilles' injury for Sidney Jones this year. It's not that serious. Sure, anytime you go under the knife there's some concern, but he already had the surgery on June 5th, is ahead of schedule in recovery, and even performed on the bench and did a fine job considering he was less than two months removed from the surgery. Again, guy had arthroscopic surgery to clean up an issue he played at an All-American level through for most of the season, and will be ready by training camp. He is a legit first rounder, and would be even in other years in which the OT class is stronger.
If the medicals check out I'm good with it, but to say it shouldn't be a concern is foolish.
I'm thinking the Giants need to replenish a few Oline guys after this season. Taking day 2 & 3 prospects and coaching them up for a year.
I can't see a rookie starting in 2017 unless injury.
If the medicals check out I'm good with it, but to say it shouldn't be a concern is foolish.
That's true, and of course you do your diligence, but there isn't one piece of reporting or information out there to have this level of concern. I've actually read about hip labrum surgery repair. The surgery was already done and was successful, and it was reported even that the damage that was repaired was not even as bad as initially thought, and that Ramczyk is ahead of his recovery timetable. This isn't the kind of injury that threatens careers. It's not a Dennis Pitta type of injury, for instance, where he broke and dislocated his hip (and he came back from it). This is a relatively minor arthroscopic surgical fix that has already been completed successfully.
I found the following article very helpful in reading about his injury. Ramczyk has also described it as an "impingement" which is referenced in the article as well:
The Story Behind Hip Labral Tears in Athletes - ( New Window )
I thought the same about Taco when I initially watched, but Taco did not dominate Ramczyk like I thought he did upon re-watching. Ramczyk actually handled Taco pretty well, Taco made much more plays when he was matched up against other Wisconsin linemen.
While I can't confirm this is true, it sure looks like there was no sense of urgency to get LT competition last year. Frustrating.
I'm not giving up on him. If they took Ramczyk and he doesn't win the LT job, that's just fine. He could still end up being the best RT on the team, and don't forget there is only one long-term starting tackle on this team to begin with. Fluker is on a one-year deal and Hart has through the 2018 season and that's it. We need guys, both right now to hopefully win a spot, for depth, and for developmental for 2019 and beyond.
I do think if Reese hits a homerun at OT in this draft, and that guy can come in and solidify one of those tackle positions at pass protect and run block at a high level, it's as much a boon to this offense as the addition of Brandon Marshall or a RB. To me it's much more important than adding another playmaker at tight end.
He wasn't at the Combine, but at his Pro Day he had an 85 inch wingspan and arms over 35 inches. 6' 7" 1/4 and 307 pounds.
He is a Day 3 draft pick. On tape he is noticeable on some Kareem Hunt runs, looks aggressive but also like he needs to get stronger.
Developmental prospect with some tools to work with.
If we are serious about the line, and we better well should be, we need to take a player in Rd 1 or Rd 2.
What many of you can't seem to grasp is that any OL worth #23 will be long gone thus forcing a reach if you insist on picking an OL.
Is that what we really want? To leave talent on the board?
If you insist on OL that's what you are proposing.
Myles Garrett and Derek Barnett constantly beat him with speed rushes.
Robinson has a problem with his set up. Reminds me a lot of Flowers. I do not think he plays OT in the pros.
We need to add some value, depth and resources into the Oline from this draft no matter what. If you think differently, you are on drugs...
Myles Garrett and Derek Barnett constantly beat him with speed rushes.
Robinson has a problem with his set up. Reminds me a lot of Flowers. I do not think he plays OT in the pros.
The Film Room (Brett Kollmann) - ( New Window )
Agree with TheMick7 above in that they might get better value in round 2 with Taylor Moton, Dorian Johnson or Dion Dawkins. All three could come right in and compete.
Also think they'd be better off finding an experienced LT to come in and compete with Flowers. A guy with starting experience who would really push him.
the Cowboys went into the draft a few years ago to fix their O line and did a really good job so it proves that it can be done if the team is sincere about it...