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Carlos Hyde for a midround pick?

Mike in St. Louis : 4/12/2017 11:07 am
I imagine this is pure speculation and I have no idea about the credentials of the "Draft Analyst," but this was just posted on Rotoworld.

"According to Draft Analyst's Tony Pauline, the 49ers are "ready to give up" on Carlos Hyde due to his struggles with injuries."

"Hyde has missed 14 games through three seasons, including 12-of-32 the past two years. He is now entering a contract year under a new front-office regime. It's possible the 49ers don't see Hyde's power-back skill set as a fit for new coach Kyle Shanahan's zone scheme. Hyde is also one of the NFL's least effective pass-catching backs. If Pauline's report is accurate, the 49ers could consider shopping Hyde for a middle-round pick on draft weekend."

The second paragraph is admittedly Rotoworld's speculation. Any interest in Hyde as a compliment to Perkins at that price? Is he better than what we could get in the draft with a 4th or 5th round pick?
we can probably land a RB in the 4th  
UConn4523 : 4/12/2017 11:09 am : link
that we wouldn't have to give a contract to next year, that would provide what we need opposite Perkins. Add in the health issues and its a hard pass from me.
In one of the articles by defenderdawg yesterday  
robbieballs2003 : 4/12/2017 11:20 am : link
There was speculation that the Niners would draft Fournette.
Yea,  
chopperhatch : 4/12/2017 11:20 am : link
He sounds like Rashad Jennings minus the ability to catch. This draft is LOADED with running backs. I actually think running back in the first might be the only remote thrower for me.
Hyde is a much better player than Jennings.  
arcarsenal : 4/12/2017 11:22 am : link
The injuries are a concern, though. I wouldn't deal a pick for him.
Dealing  
Jon in NYC : 4/12/2017 11:23 am : link
a pick for an injury prone player feels unwise.
Of injured RBs in the NFL  
ZogZerg : 4/12/2017 11:46 am : link
don't get healthier with age and wear and tear.
This is only something you consider AFTER the draft, if you weren't able to get the back you wanted.
The draft is heavy on quality RBs  
JohnB : 4/12/2017 12:22 pm : link
pass
RE: The draft is heavy on quality RBs  
Beer Man : 4/12/2017 2:08 pm : link
In comment 13425121 JohnB said:
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pass
Agree, and would add "heavy on healthy quality RBs" to your statement. You don't trade for players who have injury problems.
RE: we can probably land a RB in the 4th  
OC2.0 : 4/12/2017 5:14 pm : link
In comment 13425000 UConn4523 said:
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that we wouldn't have to give a contract to next year, that would provide what we need opposite Perkins. Add in the health issues and its a hard pass from me.


Foreman would be nice.
RE: we can probably land a RB in the 4th  
OC2.0 : 4/12/2017 5:14 pm : link
In comment 13425000 UConn4523 said:
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that we wouldn't have to give a contract to next year, that would provide what we need opposite Perkins. Add in the health issues and its a hard pass from me.


Foreman would be nice.
Our 4th  
Peppers : 4/12/2017 5:25 pm : link
is basically a 5th. So value wise its good.

But with Adrian Peterson and Jamaal Charles still FAs it will be hard to separate with a draft pick for another vet.

However if we're going to give up that 4th I much rather package it with our 2nd and move up.
maybe  
BlackburnBalledOut : 4/12/2017 8:19 pm : link
if they arent in position to draft a RB they like.// Trade a 5th or 6th for him straight up? I wwould not hate it but I would rather find one in the draft
Hyde  
NINEster : 4/13/2017 9:08 am : link
is a great RB whom I think is still a bit underrated because he became a starter after Harbaugh left and no longer had good support. His yards after contact are amongst the best in the NFL. Todd Gurley you can't say had it harder than him last year. Hyde is good in many schemes....it's BS that he can't run zone, because he can. Only thing he probably can't do is run outside on Seattle, but not many RBs can.

His injury issues seemingly prevent him from being a true workhorse solo RB in the NFL, but he would be an awesome asset on any NFL team for that change of pace role.

Starter level long term potential on a team that throws a lot and will not demand the high # of carries. He'd be injured a lot less playing for the Giants.

I hope the Niners keep him and draft another RB. Fournette may be the s****, and I'm a big fan of RBs and running the ball, but would rather a defensive stud instead.

Once again  
pjcas18 : 4/13/2017 9:12 am : link
people overrate draft picks.

a 5th for Hyde, no-brainer (assuming a 5th gets it done, I'd probably even do a conditional 4th).

And yeah, you don't trade for injured RB's or injured players for that matter, but if he wasn't injured a) they probably wouldn't be trading him and b) he'd cost a lot more.

so take your 5th round pick and draft Cooper Taylor or Mitch Petrus. I'd trade mine for Hyde.
RE: Once again  
UConn4523 : 4/13/2017 9:24 am : link
In comment 13426395 pjcas18 said:
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people overrate draft picks.

a 5th for Hyde, no-brainer (assuming a 5th gets it done, I'd probably even do a conditional 4th).

And yeah, you don't trade for injured RB's or injured players for that matter, but if he wasn't injured a) they probably wouldn't be trading him and b) he'd cost a lot more.

so take your 5th round pick and draft Cooper Taylor or Mitch Petrus. I'd trade mine for Hyde.


Its essentially a 1 year rental though which also hurts. We also made out very well moving up for Landon Collins, albeit using an early 4th, but the principle is all the same. A 4th or 5th round RB also has a decent chance of making an impact for us for pennies and for several years.
I'd bet against  
pjcas18 : 4/13/2017 9:39 am : link
a 5th round RB making an impact for the Giants or any other 5th round pick for that matter.

One year rental at RB is fine, and really shouldn't change any draft plans. If the Giants use a 5th in a trade for Hyde for example, I find it convenient that a 5th round RB people expect to have an impact, but a 6th round pick instead no way.

Once again I'll share the draft success chart and success is defined loosely here. It's not the end all be all, or the final word on every draft pick, but this should put in perspective what you're talking about with 5th round picks and later being "successful", maybe the player can have some type of impact. Who knows.

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Historic Success Chart

The numbers show us the following outline for finding consistent starters:

1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)

2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)

3rd Round - OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%)

4th Round - DL (37%) TE (33%) OL (29%) LB (16%) WR(12%) DB (11%) RB (11%) QB (8%)

5th Round - TE (32%) DB (17%) WR (16%) OL (16%) DL (13%) RB (9%) LB (4%) QB (0%)

6th Round - TE (26%) OL (16%) DL (13%) WR (9%) DB (8%) RB (6%) LB (5%) QB (0%)

7th Round - DB (11%) OL (9%) QB (6%) WR (5%) DL (3%) LB (2%) RB (0%) TE (0%)
Andre Brown  
mrvax : 4/13/2017 10:51 am : link
is only 30 and is a free agent.
He'll be released within a month  
andrew_nyg : 4/13/2017 12:21 pm : link
Why waste a draft pick? If they want him they can pick him up as a UFA later.
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