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ZGiants98 : 4/12/2017 3:54 pm
Mets Lineup

Michael Conforto – CF
Asdrúbal Cabrera – SS
Yoenis Céspedes – LF
Jay Bruce – RF
Neil Walker – 2B
Lucas Duda – 1B
José Reyes – 3B
Travis d’Arnaud – C
Matt Harvey – RHP
Phillies Lineup

Cesar Hernandez – 2B
Howie Kendrick – LF
Odubel Herrera – CF
Maikel Franco – 3B
Michael Saunders – RF
Tommy Joseph – 1B
Cameron Rupp – C
Freddy Galvis – SS
Vince Velasquez – P

Granderson scratched last minute for Conforto. No word why yet.

LGM!!
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RE: ,  
Jay on the Island : 4/13/2017 2:05 pm : link
In comment 13426670 DanMetroMan said:
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Morosi

TORONTO -- The Dodgers and Brewers have remained in contact about a possible trade involving Ryan Braun, sources say, and it is not difficult to see why.

IIRC they had a deal in place last year that fell through the last minute. I believe it was Braun for Puig.
Preferred pen in a week  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 2:13 pm : link
Familia
Reed
Salas
Blevins
Smoker
Robles
long man

Not sure what the issue is. Looks sexy to me regardless of Robles brain farts from time to time.
RE: RE: RE: They should have a lot of payroll flexibility  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13427064 Jay on the Island said:
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With all these vets coming off the books along with Wrights possible retirement.

Good time to extend Degrom and maybe Harvey?



Let's dream and sign Manny Machado to play 3B for the next decade. Machado and Rosario on the same side of the IF would be fucking awesome.


If he hits free agency you know he will receive a record breaking contract from either the Dodgers or Yankees. No harm in dreaming though.


Mets are playing with the big boys again. If Duda, Walker, Cabrera, Bruce, and Granderson all came off the books + Wright came to some sort of settlement... Machado could have the biggest contract of all time and it wouldn't come close to that AAV. Do I think something like that is going to happen? Slim to none but it "could" happen.
A  
DanMetroMan : 4/13/2017 2:47 pm : link
scout told Jon Heyman that much of Robles problem is he's far too predictable.
Machado  
DanMetroMan : 4/13/2017 2:48 pm : link
isn't going to be a Met. He will get a STAGGERING deal. If you told me 300 million I wouldn't be shocked at all.
This year..  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 2:49 pm : link
Granderson 15 mil
Bruce 12 mil
Cabrera 9 mil
Walker 18 mil
Duda 7.2 mil

Wright 20 mil

Forget about Wright. You are talking about 61.2 million just from the first 5.

If my options are picking up Cabrera's option, signing Walker, maybe Duda, ect.

or

Machado and go all young in Smith, Cheech, Rosario, ect.

I probably choose the Machado route.
If he got some sort of 10 year deal then fine (Not Sandy's style)...  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 2:50 pm : link
Just saying the Mets could easily afford to take on the AAV next year.
RE: If he got some sort of 10 year deal then fine (Not Sandy's style)...  
DanMetroMan : 4/13/2017 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13427238 ZGiants98 said:
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Just saying the Mets could easily afford to take on the AAV next year.


He's getting a 10 year type of deal, there is no question. Only question is when his opt outs start, probably after year 3 or 4. He will likely get something in the range of 10 years 330 million.
There  
DanMetroMan : 4/13/2017 2:54 pm : link
is no AAV "game" the Mets can play and win. Even at 35 million per year for 5 years it's nowhere near enough for him to take that. Practically all of baseball will be involved in the bidding. He's that good.
Mitch  
DanMetroMan : 4/13/2017 2:56 pm : link
Moreland already has 8 doubles for the Sox, jeez
Let's wait and see shall we?  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 3:22 pm : link
Massive deals have come down lately. You rarely see them (not saying he's not getting a massive deal just that teams are being more cautious). Everyone thought Cespedes was getting 200 million this past offseason... everyone thought Bautista was getting some huge deal.. Heck I remember hearing Blevins was getting a 3 year, 10 mil per deal this offseason. What if the Yankees have their sights set on Bryce Harper? The Dodgers have Justin Turner through 2020. Sure everyone would "like" him but that doesn't mean every team is throwing 300 million at him. If we truly let 50-70 million come off the books this offseason and especially if Wright decided to come to some sort of settlement I could see us in the mix. Mets would have one major contract on the books in Cespedes and a dearth of prospects in the pipeline at 3B. It's not completely Pie in the Sky IMO.

And with that Im bowing out. These hypothetical crystal ball arguments are pointless. A lot can happen between now and then.
RE: I really wish the Mets would grow some balls and DFA  
Shecky : 4/13/2017 3:24 pm : link
In comment 13427057 ZGiants98 said:
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Edgin. Yes he might get claimed and yes I dont give a shit.


It's a near certainty he'd get claimed. Kind of hard for people to be upset about giving away Ynoa, but fine giving away Edgin.
And personally...  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 3:24 pm : link
If it were my team, I wouldn't sign any of our starting pitchers to big mega deals. Fuck all of them. Way too injury prone and way too much risk. Burn them all to the ground and let them walk. If it's my team Im splurging on a position player exactly like Machado to team with Cespedes and Ill fill in the rest with my talented prospects that are all in AAA.
RE: RE: I really wish the Mets would grow some balls and DFA  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 3:26 pm : link
In comment 13427313 Shecky said:
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Edgin. Yes he might get claimed and yes I dont give a shit.



It's a near certainty he'd get claimed. Kind of hard for people to be upset about giving away Ynoa, but fine giving away Edgin.


We are short on SP depth but Ive sort of defended the Ynoa move saying there was a crunch and its understandable. Most thought we should have designated Montero at the time instead. Montero VS Ynoa for me isn't that huge a deal. Edgin is even less of a concern. A backup LOOGY that is meh? I dont really care to be honest.
RE: Let's wait and see shall we?  
DanMetroMan : 4/13/2017 3:27 pm : link
In comment 13427310 ZGiants98 said:
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Massive deals have come down lately. You rarely see them (not saying he's not getting a massive deal just that teams are being more cautious). Everyone thought Cespedes was getting 200 million this past offseason... everyone thought Bautista was getting some huge deal.. Heck I remember hearing Blevins was getting a 3 year, 10 mil per deal this offseason. What if the Yankees have their sights set on Bryce Harper? The Dodgers have Justin Turner through 2020. Sure everyone would "like" him but that doesn't mean every team is throwing 300 million at him. If we truly let 50-70 million come off the books this offseason and especially if Wright decided to come to some sort of settlement I could see us in the mix. Mets would have one major contract on the books in Cespedes and a dearth of prospects in the pipeline at 3B. It's not completely Pie in the Sky IMO.

And with that Im bowing out. These hypothetical crystal ball arguments are pointless. A lot can happen between now and then.


Machado isn't Cespedes who curiously has "red flags" that surround him. Machado is in the mix for #2 best player in the game and is 24 years old. He's young, good looking, marketable, impeccable off the field. He's getting an absolute MONSTER deal. Deals only "came down" last off-season because it was an inferior crop of players. 2015 3 players cleared 180 million, 2 cleared 200 million and none were 24 year old MVP caliber monsters. He is going to get more than twice what Cespedes got, closer to 3 times as much. There is zero doubt. Barring injury it's a lock.
From last June  
DanMetroMan : 4/13/2017 3:29 pm : link
"Within the last week, Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports suggested that the price tag for Manny Machado could get into the $400 million range. That's a lot of money, and one it's rather hard to imagine the Orioles committing to even a player as good as Machado."
Heyman  
DanMetroMan : 4/13/2017 3:30 pm : link
Machado may get into the $400-million range, which seems almost reasonable considering Marlins outfielder Giancarlo Stanton’s record $325-million deal, but that may prove to be exclusionary for the sometimes penurious Orioles. Hearing that figure, one baseball official suggested it would “probably have to be at another venue.”
So if the Yankees plan on signing Bryce Haper for 400 million  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 3:34 pm : link
and the Dodgers look elsewhere since they already have Turner who's giving him 340 million? Not saying it's not going to happen but there's a real world where he doesn't have the market he expects. Could he get that much? of course. Does he deserve that much? Sure. Maybe. And dont get me wrong I get what your saying. It just doesnt always work out. The Mets could open the bidding on a 7 year deal at 30 per to sort of "replace" Wright and maybe nobody beats it.

I know this is all far fetched but saying we know how much he is 100% getting and thinking what he deserves should really be two different things IMO.
There  
DanMetroMan : 4/13/2017 3:35 pm : link
is a 0% chance Machado doesn't receive a MONSTER deal barring injury. This "lets see" is utter BS. He's getting it. Just a matter of from which team.
That Stanton deal was so idiotic  
Shecky : 4/13/2017 3:36 pm : link
Great player, but horrendous contract. Brilliant move by his agent getting Stanton his cake and eating it by leveraging the Marlins ownership and their shortsihted view.

Speaking of that franchise, wonder how long after the all star break it implodes?
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 4/13/2017 3:37 pm : link
not going to go through every possible destination but a team like Detroit (known for megadeals) has 80 million coming off their books when he's a FA, The Yankees and Red Sox will be involved. Basically any team with a decent payroll will be involved on a 24 year old monster superstar. There is no scenario (barring decline/injury) he doesn't get a megadeal and that includes the Yankees signing Harper etc. It's a silly scenario.
And for the record  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 3:37 pm : link
If there are teams opening up the bidding at 300-400 million there is no way on earth am I suggesting Sandy is going to be jumping in those waters. I have a hard time seeing him go higher than 5 years to be honest. I dont think he wanted to sign Wright to the contract he did and was sort of forced by ownership. The Wright contract probably only confirms his doubts in the first place.

Just saying... in a down market if there isn't the massive interest he's expecting... a star 3B could be exactly the kind of player we would want to spend big on.
Let's throw a monkey wrench in there  
Shecky : 4/13/2017 3:39 pm : link
What if Sandy isn't running the team by that off season?
RE: That Stanton deal was so idiotic  
DanMetroMan : 4/13/2017 3:39 pm : link
In comment 13427345 Shecky said:
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Great player, but horrendous contract. Brilliant move by his agent getting Stanton his cake and eating it by leveraging the Marlins ownership and their shortsihted view.

Speaking of that franchise, wonder how long after the all star break it implodes?


I wouldn't count out the Marlins as Machado's eventual next team (though the Yankees are the heavy favorites). He's from Miami and presumably the new owner will treat them like a normal franchise.
RE: I'm  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 3:40 pm : link
In comment 13427348 DanMetroMan said:
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not going to go through every possible destination but a team like Detroit (known for megadeals) has 80 million coming off their books when he's a FA, The Yankees and Red Sox will be involved. Basically any team with a decent payroll will be involved on a 24 year old monster superstar. There is no scenario (barring decline/injury) he doesn't get a megadeal and that includes the Yankees signing Harper etc. It's a silly scenario.


So you literally just confirmed my exact point in this paragraph. "Basically any team with a decent payroll will be involved". We are around 150 million right now and could be under 100 next year if that's the route we chose. We play in NY. Why couldn't we "basically any team with a decent payroll will be involved"
RE: Let's throw a monkey wrench in there  
DanMetroMan : 4/13/2017 3:40 pm : link
In comment 13427354 Shecky said:
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What if Sandy isn't running the team by that off season?


Shecky,
He's arguing Machado won't get a monster deal. He's not even "defending" the Mets and their willingness to do so. This is why this argument is beyond preposterous. Mega stars in their mid-20's get monster deals. THEY set the market, the market doesn't "go down" for them.
RE: Let's throw a monkey wrench in there  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 3:41 pm : link
In comment 13427354 Shecky said:
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What if Sandy isn't running the team by that off season?


Please dont scare me man. This is my biggest fear with the team. Sandy is preparing to move on.
RE: RE: Let's throw a monkey wrench in there  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 3:41 pm : link
In comment 13427359 DanMetroMan said:
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What if Sandy isn't running the team by that off season?



Shecky,
He's arguing Machado won't get a monster deal. He's not even "defending" the Mets and their willingness to do so. This is why this argument is beyond preposterous. Mega stars in their mid-20's get monster deals. THEY set the market, the market doesn't "go down" for them.


Dude. Where on earth did I say he wont get a monster deal?? Please find it for me.
RE: RE: I'm  
DanMetroMan : 4/13/2017 3:42 pm : link
In comment 13427358 ZGiants98 said:
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not going to go through every possible destination but a team like Detroit (known for megadeals) has 80 million coming off their books when he's a FA, The Yankees and Red Sox will be involved. Basically any team with a decent payroll will be involved on a 24 year old monster superstar. There is no scenario (barring decline/injury) he doesn't get a megadeal and that includes the Yankees signing Harper etc. It's a silly scenario.



So you literally just confirmed my exact point in this paragraph. "Basically any team with a decent payroll will be involved". We are around 150 million right now and could be under 100 next year if that's the route we chose. We play in NY. Why couldn't we "basically any team with a decent payroll will be involved"


He's going to get an insane amount of years. He's a LOCK for the 10-12 year deal (with opt outs) which the Mets are extremely unlikely to do. Your premise (the one you started with) was that the Mets would give him a higher AAV but not the years. The higher AAV won't make up for the years on an in his prime superstar. He's getting 30+ per season years or not.
RE: RE: RE: Let's throw a monkey wrench in there  
DanMetroMan : 4/13/2017 3:44 pm : link
In comment 13427365 ZGiants98 said:
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What if Sandy isn't running the team by that off season?



Shecky,
He's arguing Machado won't get a monster deal. He's not even "defending" the Mets and their willingness to do so. This is why this argument is beyond preposterous. Mega stars in their mid-20's get monster deals. THEY set the market, the market doesn't "go down" for them.



Dude. Where on earth did I say he wont get a monster deal?? Please find it for me.


"Let's wait and see shall we? Massive deals have come down lately. You rarely see them (not saying he's not getting a massive deal just that teams are being more cautious). Everyone thought Cespedes was getting 200 million this past offseason... everyone thought Bautista was getting some huge deal"

hmmm. Machado is going to get more than double what Cespedes got. Just because this most recent off-season had a terrible FA market doesn't mean anything in regard to Machado, Harper etc. You make it sound like superstars were available but got small deals. The top 3 contracts given out to position players were Cespedes, Dexter Fowler and Ian Desmond. The players available sucked.
Actually thats not what I started with  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 3:44 pm : link
I flat out said he very well might get an astronomical deal and probably even deserves one and will get one. What I said was things dont always go the way they should and in a hypothetical down market (Harper goes to the Yankees, ect.) maybe the Mets get involved.
I would not be shocked at all  
pjcas18 : 4/13/2017 3:44 pm : link
if Stanton is traded this year at the deadline.

This is the last cheap year for him at $14.5M.

He then goes to $25M for 2018 $26M for 2019 and 2020 and then $29M for 2021 and 2022 then three years at $32M and then when he's 36 it starts ramping back down.

for a guy who can't stay healthy.

He does have an opt out after 2020 which the way these deals go, he'll finally put together a monster season in 2020 at 30 years old and opt out for a bigger deal.



RE: RE: That Stanton deal was so idiotic  
Shecky : 4/13/2017 3:45 pm : link
In comment 13427356 DanMetroMan said:
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presumably the new owner will treat them like a normal franchise.


Read that line a few times. And it makes you realize how pathetic it is that MLB has let Loriaull the shit he's pulled all this time. So sad.
Joon Lee  
DanMetroMan : 4/13/2017 3:45 pm : link
"If both players were to hit the open market today, Harper would probably still land the bigger contract. But the question isn’t the no-brainer it might’ve been just two months ago. Yes, Harper is the bigger name and has a more established track record as one of the best players in baseball, but Machado is quickly closing the gap between them. The disparity between Machado and Harper isn’t as big as it was just 365 days ago and it’s hard to discount the impact the Orioles star brings to the game with his glove at two positions where young offensive stars aren’t growing on trees.

Given how much money is rumored to be on the table — potentially the first two $500 million contracts in American sports history — the chances are pretty strong both Machado and Harper hit the open market following the 2018 season. And if Manny Machado continues to improve offensively at the clip at which he’s been moving the last few years, the Orioles third baseman could be receiving an even larger payday than his fellow young baseball prodigy."
Got it. Machado is getting  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 3:46 pm : link
3 times what Cespedes got and will get a 10-12 year deal. It's a 100% lock.

We know your stance.

I dont even have one. We'll see.
It'll be interesting  
Metnut : 4/13/2017 3:47 pm : link
to see what he (and Harper) end up getting. Talents like this (at these ages) havn't really hit FA in a while. I'd think Machado would get something like 10yr/$300M at the lower bound but could be even higher.

There's so many teams that could bid for him. Even Atlanta and Philly might want to make a splash at that point.
RE: RE: RE: That Stanton deal was so idiotic  
DanMetroMan : 4/13/2017 3:47 pm : link
In comment 13427374 Shecky said:
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presumably the new owner will treat them like a normal franchise.



Read that line a few times. And it makes you realize how pathetic it is that MLB has let Loriaull the shit he's pulled all this time. So sad.


I've read/heard nothing but AWFUL stories regarding Loria and Samson. If the Marlins played in NY and were run the same way it would be NON-STOP. I know nothing about baseball interest in Miami (I've actually never met a Marlins fan) but those who exist deserve better.
RE: I would not be shocked at all  
Shecky : 4/13/2017 3:48 pm : link
In comment 13427372 pjcas18 said:
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if Stanton is traded this year at the deadline.


Once the break passes, I'd say any and every Marlin is available.
RE: Got it. Machado is getting  
DanMetroMan : 4/13/2017 3:48 pm : link
In comment 13427378 ZGiants98 said:
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3 times what Cespedes got and will get a 10-12 year deal. It's a 100% lock.

We know your stance.

I dont even have one. We'll see.


Bookmark this. The caveat being injury/decline. Assuming he's still "Machado" he will get triple Cespedes. 100% quote me.
And personally...  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 3:49 pm : link
If Machado is getting 400 million it's a waste. He's not some uber bat like Harper or Trout have shown....at least not yet. He's turned in one wRC+ 130s season. Most of his value is tied to his defense and that's not lasting 10-12 years.
If  
DanMetroMan : 4/13/2017 3:49 pm : link
Wright shockingly retired I'd make a call on Prado. I think he'd be perfect.
RE: RE: Got it. Machado is getting  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 3:50 pm : link
In comment 13427387 DanMetroMan said:
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3 times what Cespedes got and will get a 10-12 year deal. It's a 100% lock.

We know your stance.

I dont even have one. We'll see.



Bookmark this. The caveat being injury/decline. Assuming he's still "Machado" he will get triple Cespedes. 100% quote me.


No problem. I dont even hope your wrong or anything. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
I  
DanMetroMan : 4/13/2017 3:51 pm : link
obviously can't account for injuries. Didn't see David Wright going from MVP caliber to what he's become.

Unrelated-

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Juan Lagares activated from the DL. Paul Sewald optioned to @LasVegas51s #mets
Loris is a shit, but a businessman  
Shecky : 4/13/2017 3:53 pm : link
So you kind of expect it.
Samson, he's truly a unique individual...

Sports in Miami is a real tough sell. But youth baseball is HUGE in South Florida, so you have a young base to begin with. Then look at the crowds for the WBC this year - an INSANE baseball hungry Cuban, PR and DR population. Regular season games - no one cares. Second home game of the year and vs the Braves (large Braves fan base prior to Marlins) - and if there were 13-14k there, I'd be surprised. Really, really pathetic.
RE: I  
Shecky : 4/13/2017 3:56 pm : link
In comment 13427396 DanMetroMan said:
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Juan Lagares activated from the DL. Paul Sewald optioned to @LasVegas51s #mets


Comforts with the last second, short term reprieve.
Jeff P  
DanMetroMan : 4/13/2017 3:57 pm : link
brings up a valid question... why activate Lagares today if you aren't going to start him? Wouldn't the extra arm help for todays game?
Massive CF to cover this weekend  
Shecky : 4/13/2017 4:10 pm : link
That was the "rush".
RE: If  
Eric on Li : 4/13/2017 4:12 pm : link
In comment 13427390 DanMetroMan said:
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Wright shockingly retired I'd make a call on Prado. I think he'd be perfect.


I've wanted them to get Prado for 2 years just so he can't stop beating us at the end of games. But seriously he's the exact type of guy this lineup needs.
RE: Massive CF to cover this weekend  
DanMetroMan : 4/13/2017 4:21 pm : link
In comment 13427444 Shecky said:
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That was the "rush".


Yeah but he's not starting tonight so why not wait a day? Defense in CF late in games is more important tonight than an extra arm? Seems kinda silly timing wise.
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Shecky : 4/13/2017 4:27 pm : link
In comment 13427467 DanMetroMan said:
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That was the "rush".



Yeah but he's not starting tonight so why not wait a day? Defense in CF late in games is more important tonight than an extra arm? Seems kinda silly timing wise.


It was more than that. Lengthens bench with an extra pinch hitter, pinch runner, and defensive replacement vs a super extended bullpen. Legates isn't starting because he needed the day off.
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