Mets Lineup
Michael Conforto – CF
Asdrúbal Cabrera – SS
Yoenis Céspedes – LF
Jay Bruce – RF
Neil Walker – 2B
Lucas Duda – 1B
José Reyes – 3B
Travis d’Arnaud – C
Matt Harvey – RHP
Phillies Lineup
Cesar Hernandez – 2B
Howie Kendrick – LF
Odubel Herrera – CF
Maikel Franco – 3B
Michael Saunders – RF
Tommy Joseph – 1B
Cameron Rupp – C
Freddy Galvis – SS
Vince Velasquez – P
Granderson scratched last minute for Conforto. No word why yet.
LGM!!
TORONTO -- The Dodgers and Brewers have remained in contact about a possible trade involving Ryan Braun, sources say, and it is not difficult to see why.
IIRC they had a deal in place last year that fell through the last minute. I believe it was Braun for Puig.
Reed
Salas
Blevins
Smoker
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long man
Not sure what the issue is. Looks sexy to me regardless of Robles brain farts from time to time.
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With all these vets coming off the books along with Wrights possible retirement.
Good time to extend Degrom and maybe Harvey?
Let's dream and sign Manny Machado to play 3B for the next decade. Machado and Rosario on the same side of the IF would be fucking awesome.
If he hits free agency you know he will receive a record breaking contract from either the Dodgers or Yankees. No harm in dreaming though.
Mets are playing with the big boys again. If Duda, Walker, Cabrera, Bruce, and Granderson all came off the books + Wright came to some sort of settlement... Machado could have the biggest contract of all time and it wouldn't come close to that AAV. Do I think something like that is going to happen? Slim to none but it "could" happen.
Bruce 12 mil
Cabrera 9 mil
Walker 18 mil
Duda 7.2 mil
Wright 20 mil
Forget about Wright. You are talking about 61.2 million just from the first 5.
If my options are picking up Cabrera's option, signing Walker, maybe Duda, ect.
or
Machado and go all young in Smith, Cheech, Rosario, ect.
I probably choose the Machado route.
He's getting a 10 year type of deal, there is no question. Only question is when his opt outs start, probably after year 3 or 4. He will likely get something in the range of 10 years 330 million.
And with that Im bowing out. These hypothetical crystal ball arguments are pointless. A lot can happen between now and then.
It's a near certainty he'd get claimed. Kind of hard for people to be upset about giving away Ynoa, but fine giving away Edgin.
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Edgin. Yes he might get claimed and yes I dont give a shit.
It's a near certainty he'd get claimed. Kind of hard for people to be upset about giving away Ynoa, but fine giving away Edgin.
We are short on SP depth but Ive sort of defended the Ynoa move saying there was a crunch and its understandable. Most thought we should have designated Montero at the time instead. Montero VS Ynoa for me isn't that huge a deal. Edgin is even less of a concern. A backup LOOGY that is meh? I dont really care to be honest.
And with that Im bowing out. These hypothetical crystal ball arguments are pointless. A lot can happen between now and then.
Machado isn't Cespedes who curiously has "red flags" that surround him. Machado is in the mix for #2 best player in the game and is 24 years old. He's young, good looking, marketable, impeccable off the field. He's getting an absolute MONSTER deal. Deals only "came down" last off-season because it was an inferior crop of players. 2015 3 players cleared 180 million, 2 cleared 200 million and none were 24 year old MVP caliber monsters. He is going to get more than twice what Cespedes got, closer to 3 times as much. There is zero doubt. Barring injury it's a lock.
I know this is all far fetched but saying we know how much he is 100% getting and thinking what he deserves should really be two different things IMO.
Speaking of that franchise, wonder how long after the all star break it implodes?
Just saying... in a down market if there isn't the massive interest he's expecting... a star 3B could be exactly the kind of player we would want to spend big on.
Speaking of that franchise, wonder how long after the all star break it implodes?
I wouldn't count out the Marlins as Machado's eventual next team (though the Yankees are the heavy favorites). He's from Miami and presumably the new owner will treat them like a normal franchise.
So you literally just confirmed my exact point in this paragraph. "Basically any team with a decent payroll will be involved". We are around 150 million right now and could be under 100 next year if that's the route we chose. We play in NY. Why couldn't we "basically any team with a decent payroll will be involved"
Shecky,
He's arguing Machado won't get a monster deal. He's not even "defending" the Mets and their willingness to do so. This is why this argument is beyond preposterous. Mega stars in their mid-20's get monster deals. THEY set the market, the market doesn't "go down" for them.
Please dont scare me man. This is my biggest fear with the team. Sandy is preparing to move on.
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What if Sandy isn't running the team by that off season?
Shecky,
He's arguing Machado won't get a monster deal. He's not even "defending" the Mets and their willingness to do so. This is why this argument is beyond preposterous. Mega stars in their mid-20's get monster deals. THEY set the market, the market doesn't "go down" for them.
Dude. Where on earth did I say he wont get a monster deal?? Please find it for me.
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not going to go through every possible destination but a team like Detroit (known for megadeals) has 80 million coming off their books when he's a FA, The Yankees and Red Sox will be involved. Basically any team with a decent payroll will be involved on a 24 year old monster superstar. There is no scenario (barring decline/injury) he doesn't get a megadeal and that includes the Yankees signing Harper etc. It's a silly scenario.
So you literally just confirmed my exact point in this paragraph. "Basically any team with a decent payroll will be involved". We are around 150 million right now and could be under 100 next year if that's the route we chose. We play in NY. Why couldn't we "basically any team with a decent payroll will be involved"
He's going to get an insane amount of years. He's a LOCK for the 10-12 year deal (with opt outs) which the Mets are extremely unlikely to do. Your premise (the one you started with) was that the Mets would give him a higher AAV but not the years. The higher AAV won't make up for the years on an in his prime superstar. He's getting 30+ per season years or not.
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What if Sandy isn't running the team by that off season?
Shecky,
He's arguing Machado won't get a monster deal. He's not even "defending" the Mets and their willingness to do so. This is why this argument is beyond preposterous. Mega stars in their mid-20's get monster deals. THEY set the market, the market doesn't "go down" for them.
Dude. Where on earth did I say he wont get a monster deal?? Please find it for me.
"Let's wait and see shall we? Massive deals have come down lately. You rarely see them (not saying he's not getting a massive deal just that teams are being more cautious). Everyone thought Cespedes was getting 200 million this past offseason... everyone thought Bautista was getting some huge deal"
hmmm. Machado is going to get more than double what Cespedes got. Just because this most recent off-season had a terrible FA market doesn't mean anything in regard to Machado, Harper etc. You make it sound like superstars were available but got small deals. The top 3 contracts given out to position players were Cespedes, Dexter Fowler and Ian Desmond. The players available sucked.
This is the last cheap year for him at $14.5M.
He then goes to $25M for 2018 $26M for 2019 and 2020 and then $29M for 2021 and 2022 then three years at $32M and then when he's 36 it starts ramping back down.
for a guy who can't stay healthy.
He does have an opt out after 2020 which the way these deals go, he'll finally put together a monster season in 2020 at 30 years old and opt out for a bigger deal.
presumably the new owner will treat them like a normal franchise.
Read that line a few times. And it makes you realize how pathetic it is that MLB has let Loriaull the shit he's pulled all this time. So sad.
Given how much money is rumored to be on the table — potentially the first two $500 million contracts in American sports history — the chances are pretty strong both Machado and Harper hit the open market following the 2018 season. And if Manny Machado continues to improve offensively at the clip at which he’s been moving the last few years, the Orioles third baseman could be receiving an even larger payday than his fellow young baseball prodigy."
We know your stance.
I dont even have one. We'll see.
There's so many teams that could bid for him. Even Atlanta and Philly might want to make a splash at that point.
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presumably the new owner will treat them like a normal franchise.
Read that line a few times. And it makes you realize how pathetic it is that MLB has let Loriaull the shit he's pulled all this time. So sad.
I've read/heard nothing but AWFUL stories regarding Loria and Samson. If the Marlins played in NY and were run the same way it would be NON-STOP. I know nothing about baseball interest in Miami (I've actually never met a Marlins fan) but those who exist deserve better.
Once the break passes, I'd say any and every Marlin is available.
We know your stance.
I dont even have one. We'll see.
Bookmark this. The caveat being injury/decline. Assuming he's still "Machado" he will get triple Cespedes. 100% quote me.
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3 times what Cespedes got and will get a 10-12 year deal. It's a 100% lock.
We know your stance.
I dont even have one. We'll see.
Bookmark this. The caveat being injury/decline. Assuming he's still "Machado" he will get triple Cespedes. 100% quote me.
No problem. I dont even hope your wrong or anything. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
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Juan Lagares activated from the DL. Paul Sewald optioned to @LasVegas51s #mets
Samson, he's truly a unique individual...
Sports in Miami is a real tough sell. But youth baseball is HUGE in South Florida, so you have a young base to begin with. Then look at the crowds for the WBC this year - an INSANE baseball hungry Cuban, PR and DR population. Regular season games - no one cares. Second home game of the year and vs the Braves (large Braves fan base prior to Marlins) - and if there were 13-14k there, I'd be surprised. Really, really pathetic.
Juan Lagares activated from the DL. Paul Sewald optioned to @LasVegas51s #mets
Comforts with the last second, short term reprieve.
I've wanted them to get Prado for 2 years just so he can't stop beating us at the end of games. But seriously he's the exact type of guy this lineup needs.
Yeah but he's not starting tonight so why not wait a day? Defense in CF late in games is more important tonight than an extra arm? Seems kinda silly timing wise.
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That was the "rush".
Yeah but he's not starting tonight so why not wait a day? Defense in CF late in games is more important tonight than an extra arm? Seems kinda silly timing wise.
It was more than that. Lengthens bench with an extra pinch hitter, pinch runner, and defensive replacement vs a super extended bullpen. Legates isn't starting because he needed the day off.