NFT: Mets at Phillies Game 3 SWEEEEP!!

Marc Carig 2m
So, Granderson is a healthy scratch.

Duda still is and will always be better than Bruce. He's even having a better season right now even after Bruce's insane start. Reyes should hit 8th. He's a slightly above league average bat. At best he's probably going to give you a wRC+ of 105-110. That's if everything goes perfectly. Dont get me wrong, that's fine for the 8th hole but that's where he should be. Today I would have went...

Conforto
Cabrera
Cespedes
Duda
TDA
Bruce
Walker
Reyes

In comment 13425484 sshin05 said:

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Marc Carig 2m So, Granderson is a healthy scratch.

Interesting. Ok.

Wheeler pitching, not Harvey btw

about Conforto being able to play CF but he hasn't killed us yet.

Cespedes graded out as one of the worst CF in baseball when he was there and I have a feeling Conforto would be worse. Time will tell.

having fun with Cespedes performance last night
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about Conforto being able to play CF but he hasn't killed us yet. Cespedes graded out as one of the worst CF in baseball when he was there and I have a feeling Conforto would be worse. Time will tell.

Really? What is giving you doubts? I mean, he can't be any worse than what Granderson is doing in CF...which isn't much (not his fault, he's hasn't been a starting CFer in a long time). I think his defense has been better than people give it credit for.

When he came out his scouting reports said he would be below average in "left field". He has proven some doubters wrong and he lost some weight this offseason so maybe that helps... I just don't see many transitioning to CF well with the initial profile he had. Cespedes is a gold glover in LF and uber athletic but he sucks in CF. Grandy has played 80% of his career in CF and still moves pretty well and he's below average(although much better than RF where his arm is exposed more). Don't get me wrong, I'm rooting for Conforto just skeptical until I see him out there more.

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That was great.

Jacob Resnick 14m
Last night was the first time in Mets history that three players had four hits each in a nine inning game (Cespedes, Cabrera, Duda).

Law now claims Rosario is the number one prospect in baseball.

.."MVP upside"..
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seen in 2017 shows that Granderson doesn't move well at all in CF at this age. Grandy has been one of our better bats for a few years now, so hopefully he'll get it going but sharp and sudden declines often happen at his age.

Hopefully Conforto can take this job and run with it. Neither Granderson nor Bruce should play if they aren't hitting.

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seen in 2017 shows that Granderson doesn't move well at all in CF at this age. Grandy has been one of our better bats for a few years now, so hopefully he'll get it going but sharp and sudden declines often happen at his age. Hopefully Conforto can take this job and run with it. Neither Granderson nor Bruce should play if they aren't hitting.

He actually graded positively in CF last year in a small sample and is again this year (even smaller sample). Of course he was horrid in RF last year.

Get some time at 3B

was literally getting into shouting matches with callers yesterday about Conforto because he was saying with reyes struggling Granderson is the only one who can lead off.

Someone said you can use conforto like the cubs use schwarber in the non traditional lead off role.

Mike got into a big tizzy about it and said the mets would never use Conforto as a leadoff hitter.

Flash forward to today...conforto is leading off

Mike is so dumb

TC stated from another manager (hurdle, leyland?), instead of reshuffling a lineup for one guy, just replace the guy in that spot.

starting at SS or even 3B in place of Reyes by August

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Get some time at 3B

agree. gotta give some playing time to Rivera and Flores.. it's a long stretch without off days.

As much as I hate to say it, Jose might be done as an everyday player.

Terry is going to give him plenty of rope because that's what he does with vets and he also loves Reyes and knows how much the "real" Jose Reyes could help this team.

So, we will see what happens. Jose is one of my all-time favorite Mets. I'd love to see him and David win a ring in orange and blue.

TC will at least give him a couple of months to fail

Why start him in the first place? Every player in our lineup was cold for 30 days last year. It's just magnified because it's at the beginning of the season. That said Reyes, even for his career, is a league average bat. He really should probably hit 8th regardless.

Regarding Reyes, he looked a bit better last night than he was. Hoping he will heat up with the weather.

97 on the gun

Pretty, pretty good.

Same for both sides but consistently calling strikes below the knees.

Whoo!!

2-0 Mets

Nice bomb from Conforto. Gotta play this kid every day.

Will you please fucking play Conforto, TC?

Grandy and Bruce are both streaky ass players. Assuming Sandy decides he has to make a spot for Conforto (might happen eventually) do you trade Bruce while his value is high to make a spot or trade Grandy while his value is low to make a spot?

I understand everyone wants MC to be in the lineup... I do, too. But what's the solution? Bruce is on fire right now.. so it's not like the easy answer is to just bench him.

is screaming to trade Grandy and keep Bruce and Conforto return be damned. 2 weeks ago everyone wanted Bruce burned at the stake. It's amazing to me how emotional and reactionary people are from 10 days of baseball. We all know Grandy will heat up at some point and Bruce will suck at points this year. lol

It's dangerous to have three guys in the lineup that run as hot and cold as Duda, Bruce, and Granderson.

But Wheeler's delivery looks much smoother. I havent read much about it anywhere but others are saying its definitely been changed. The inverted W isnt as severe and he looks much less violent. Im not seeing the hitches I used to. This version of Wheeler is looking good.

It's hard to blame the Mets or Collins here.. there's really no easy solution.

If teams dont want to give Sandy what he wants, stay put for now. Eventually somebody might cave. If we get towards the deadline I think you get more aggressive starting Conforto every day. Ill be much more lenient of Bruce or Granderson coming off the bench if its towards the end of the year because you almost need to start preparing for next year at that point and your best players need to play period in the postseason. That's also assuming Conforto is better than Bruce and Granderson at that point. It's not an easy fix though.

Can he learn to play 3B?

Sitting in a "rain delay". In an indoor stadium...

situation. But Granderson should be the odd man out here. I love Curtis but he should be the one losing ABs. I'm fairly confident that MC is the better player in the field and at the plate. I just hate the way they've handled MC from day one.

LOL, funniest thing ever.

Hows wheeler looking?

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Can he learn to play 3B?

Actually played it in high school. Major stretch though! lol

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Hows wheeler looking?

FANTASTIC.

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LOL, funniest thing ever.

That was hilarious.

Did the nats lose two out of three to the Phillies?

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Did the nats lose two out of three to the Phillies?

They aint no New York Mets. ;)

Please LORD stay healthy please.

Mike Silva
Mike Silva @MikeSilvaMedia 7m
It doesn't make up for '07 and '08 but punishing the Phillies the last 3 years is putting the universe back on its axis

Matt Ehalt‏ @MattEhalt

If the Mets don't blow this, Mets will be 42-18 since start of 2014 season against Philadelphia. Phillies are definition of punching bags.

0 walks.

is seeing Wheeler pitching so well.

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is seeing Wheeler pitching so well.

+1

Jayson Stark‏ @jaysonst

Mets lead the Phillies, 5-0, thru 5 tonight. Over their last 10 games vs the Phillies, the Mets have scored 74 runs. Seems like a lot.

Jayson Stark @jaysonst 3m
Since the start of the 2015 season, the Mets have a plus-115 run differential -- just against the Phillies.

Enjoy every second of this perpetual curbstomping of the Phillies. One of these days, it'll turn back around... and it'll suck. So I am savoring every bit of the absolute ass kickings we've been handing them lately.

Glad to hear Wheels looks good - I've obviously been a little more focused on NYR tonight so I've barely seen the Metsies.

apparently it has taken a ton of work and patience. Likely something been going on under the limelight for a while. Well done Zack (even though he's struggling this inning) :)

Of course you would allow the inherited runners.

Nice job Hansel.

That's baseball, Susyn

BOOOO..

like Robles going 3 days in a row. Ugh. Stupid all around.

Wheeler's performance is encouraging. Hopefully, he isn't discouraged by this.

to go to work, bats!

Why is Robles still up?

You have 8 guys in your pen Terry.

find the first guy that can throw strikes and pitch him every day until he breaks.

MONEY!

insurance runs

Reed! Lets do this!

Come on!

ICE IN YO VEINS!!! PIITB!!

win, need to win these games.

Thrilling victory!

Love Conforto leading off

Bye Philly. That's 4 in a row!

the Phils 162 times a year!

Sole possession of NL East

in Miami.

looks better with no hair

Reed more to close a playoff game than Familia. Reed has ice in his veins.

Salas, Blevins, Reed, Familia is a NASTY back of a bullpen.

Sprinkle a little upside like Smoker in the backend and we are going to be gravy.

Hell, as annoying as Robles is and how he can self-destruct at times he was still a top 50 reliever in baseball last year in terms of fWAR. And he's like our 5th/6th option.

With the Miami lefties coming up, let Wilmer have a game or two at third.

Really impressed with Benoit. Kind of guy Mets should target if they need bp help. 39 and still throwing high 90's?

With SP with the Marlins but their lineup is miles better than the Phillies.

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With the Miami lefties coming up, let Wilmer have a game or two at third.

Yup. Walker could probably use a day too. Insert Wilmer at 3B and Give TJ a start at 2B.

Conforto CF
Cabrera SS
Cespedes LF
Flores 3B
Duda 1B
TDA C
Bruce RF
TJ Rivera 2B

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With SP with the Marlins but their lineup is miles better than the Phillies.

They only have to face Gsellman, Syndergaard, deGrom, and Harvey. :)

Conforto deserves to be in there but Terry loves his underperforming vets. But, yeah, I like your lineup.

Loving it!!!

In comment 13426226 PhiPsi125 said:

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Conforto deserves to be in there but Terry loves his underperforming vets. But, yeah, I like your lineup.

Agree. Especially if Lagares is due back Friday. Collins won't want Grandy sitting 3 days in a row.

Is back (possibly Friday)? Seems harsh but probably "smart" play at least from a resource allocation standpoint.

Will not miss next start.

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Is back (possibly Friday)? Seems harsh but probably "smart" play at least from a resource allocation standpoint.

There have been some rumblings they may send down a reliever instead.

By the time Familia returns, Conforto will be in vegas.

Sewald might go down first

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By the time Familia returns, Conforto will be in vegas. Sewald might go down first

He might be our second best OF right now. I think if he keeps hitting he stays. Won't be easy for Collins to juggle the OF but that's what he gets paid for.

In comment 13426216 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 13426199 PhiPsi125 said: Quote: With the Miami lefties coming up, let Wilmer have a game or two at third. Yup. Walker could probably use a day too. Insert Wilmer at 3B and Give TJ a start at 2B. Conforto CF Cabrera SS Cespedes LF Flores 3B Duda 1B TDA C Bruce RF TJ Rivera 2B

If that is the line-up you would probably see Bruce batting clean-up and moving Flores, Duda, and TDA down a slot so that in the middle of the order you do not have back to back right handed hitters

but mets are tied for first for pitching fWAR. And guess who's there with them, the Rockies!

Bullpen volatility in the early going as the Mets are the only positive fWAR in the NL east.
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but mets are tied for first for pitching fWAR. And guess who's there with them, the Rockies! Bullpen volatility in the early going as the Mets are the only positive fWAR in the NL east. Link - ( New Window )

The Rockies have some nice arms. Their ERA is always going to be high, but fWAR adjusts for park factor I believe, so it'll reflect the real value that those pitchers provide. NL West looks like the best division in the NL so far.

There will be a transition towards the youngsters because next season there is going to be a big roster turnover.

No more Granderson, Reyes, Bruce, Duda. Cabrera would be retained for one more.

Will be gone.

almost certainly will be back, I wouldn't write off Duda just yet. Smith needs to have a strong season otherwise it's a major step back at a key position. Odds are Duda's gone but a big season + Smith a "meh" season and I wouldn't be so sure.

very possibly will be back. They have actively tried to lock him up. Cecchini with a big season could make the decision moot but for right now there is no clear "every day 2b" for 2018 in the system IF Cecchini doesn't have a big year (prove he can play MLB caliber defense). I don't view TJ Rivera as an MLB regular on a contender.

is expected to be demoted, Conforto staying for now

Cabrera - Rosario - Flores/Cheech - Smith or Duda. TDA

Cespedes - Lagares - Conforto

making a strong argument for Conforto to play more often, can't disagree with what they are saying.
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Cabrera - Rosario - Flores/Cheech - Smith or Duda. TDA Cespedes - Lagares - Conforto

It doesn't appear the Mets view Flores as a 2b. Looks like 3b/1b going forward. He has not graded well (-6 DRS) career at 2b.

With all these vets coming off the books along with Wrights possible retirement.

Good time to extend Degrom and maybe Harvey?

can hit eventually hit righties you can deal with him at second IMO. If he can't then he's just the super platoon option vs LHP that he is now.

Murphy never graded well at 2B. Walker didn't either (with the big exception of last year).

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With all these vets coming off the books along with Wrights possible retirement. Good time to extend Degrom and maybe Harvey?

Let's dream and sign Manny Machado to play 3B for the next decade. Machado and Rosario on the same side of the IF would be fucking awesome.

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can hit eventually hit righties you can deal with him at second IMO. If he can't then he's just the super platoon option vs LHP that he is now. Murphy never graded well at 2B. Walker didn't either (with the big exception of last year).

The problem is WIlmer has been absolutely awful vs. RHP. This season he's 0-5 with 2 k's, last season wRC+ of 75. Not "okay", truly awful.

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is expected to be demoted, Conforto staying for now

Makes sense.

Sewald doesn't do it for me. I don't trust him at all.

We need Familia back badly to alleviate the BP strain, though.

Blevins, Salas, and Reed all seem to be guys we can trust.. Robles is always going to have some Jekyll & Hyde to him I think. Would like to see Smoker establish himself more this year. Edgin isn't a guy I'd want to use in an important spot.

Morosi

TORONTO -- The Dodgers and Brewers have remained in contact about a possible trade involving Ryan Braun, sources say, and it is not difficult to see why.

After foolishly giving away Ynoa I'd like to see Sandy pull off a deal for Clayton Blackburn #Mets

The Reds!

They also have arguably the best bullpen. Price is really managing unconventionally.
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think Wilmer is a very valuable piece of the team but for context in 2016 his 75 wRC+ was better than 6 major league players (1 of which has since retired)

Edgin. Yes he might get claimed and yes I dont give a shit.

In comment 13426666 Metnut said:

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In comment 13426656 spike said: Quote: With all these vets coming off the books along with Wrights possible retirement. Good time to extend Degrom and maybe Harvey? Let's dream and sign Manny Machado to play 3B for the next decade. Machado and Rosario on the same side of the IF would be fucking awesome.

If he hits free agency you know he will receive a record breaking contract from either the Dodgers or Yankees. No harm in dreaming though.

and 4.50 ERA shouldnt be the reason better options are sent back to AAA. And yes the sample is SSS.

are apparently "fed up" with Bruce Rondon. I'd give them a call.

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Morosi TORONTO -- The Dodgers and Brewers have remained in contact about a possible trade involving Ryan Braun, sources say, and it is not difficult to see why.

IIRC they had a deal in place last year that fell through the last minute. I believe it was Braun for Puig.

Familia
Reed
Salas
Blevins
Smoker
Robles
long man

Not sure what the issue is. Looks sexy to me regardless of Robles brain farts from time to time.

In comment 13427064 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 13426666 Metnut said: Quote: In comment 13426656 spike said: Quote: With all these vets coming off the books along with Wrights possible retirement. Good time to extend Degrom and maybe Harvey? Let's dream and sign Manny Machado to play 3B for the next decade. Machado and Rosario on the same side of the IF would be fucking awesome. If he hits free agency you know he will receive a record breaking contract from either the Dodgers or Yankees. No harm in dreaming though.

Mets are playing with the big boys again. If Duda, Walker, Cabrera, Bruce, and Granderson all came off the books + Wright came to some sort of settlement... Machado could have the biggest contract of all time and it wouldn't come close to that AAV. Do I think something like that is going to happen? Slim to none but it "could" happen.

scout told Jon Heyman that much of Robles problem is he's far too predictable.

isn't going to be a Met. He will get a STAGGERING deal. If you told me 300 million I wouldn't be shocked at all.

Granderson 15 mil
Bruce 12 mil
Cabrera 9 mil
Walker 18 mil
Duda 7.2 mil

Wright 20 mil

Forget about Wright. You are talking about 61.2 million just from the first 5.

If my options are picking up Cabrera's option, signing Walker, maybe Duda, ect.

or

Machado and go all young in Smith, Cheech, Rosario, ect.

I probably choose the Machado route.

Just saying the Mets could easily afford to take on the AAV next year.

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Just saying the Mets could easily afford to take on the AAV next year.

He's getting a 10 year type of deal, there is no question. Only question is when his opt outs start, probably after year 3 or 4. He will likely get something in the range of 10 years 330 million.

is no AAV "game" the Mets can play and win. Even at 35 million per year for 5 years it's nowhere near enough for him to take that. Practically all of baseball will be involved in the bidding. He's that good.

Moreland already has 8 doubles for the Sox, jeez

Massive deals have come down lately. You rarely see them (not saying he's not getting a massive deal just that teams are being more cautious). Everyone thought Cespedes was getting 200 million this past offseason... everyone thought Bautista was getting some huge deal.. Heck I remember hearing Blevins was getting a 3 year, 10 mil per deal this offseason. What if the Yankees have their sights set on Bryce Harper? The Dodgers have Justin Turner through 2020. Sure everyone would "like" him but that doesn't mean every team is throwing 300 million at him. If we truly let 50-70 million come off the books this offseason and especially if Wright decided to come to some sort of settlement I could see us in the mix. Mets would have one major contract on the books in Cespedes and a dearth of prospects in the pipeline at 3B. It's not completely Pie in the Sky IMO.

And with that Im bowing out. These hypothetical crystal ball arguments are pointless. A lot can happen between now and then.

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Edgin. Yes he might get claimed and yes I dont give a shit.

It's a near certainty he'd get claimed. Kind of hard for people to be upset about giving away Ynoa, but fine giving away Edgin.

If it were my team, I wouldn't sign any of our starting pitchers to big mega deals. Fuck all of them. Way too injury prone and way too much risk. Burn them all to the ground and let them walk. If it's my team Im splurging on a position player exactly like Machado to team with Cespedes and Ill fill in the rest with my talented prospects that are all in AAA.

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In comment 13427057 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Edgin. Yes he might get claimed and yes I dont give a shit. It's a near certainty he'd get claimed. Kind of hard for people to be upset about giving away Ynoa, but fine giving away Edgin.

We are short on SP depth but Ive sort of defended the Ynoa move saying there was a crunch and its understandable. Most thought we should have designated Montero at the time instead. Montero VS Ynoa for me isn't that huge a deal. Edgin is even less of a concern. A backup LOOGY that is meh? I dont really care to be honest.

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Massive deals have come down lately. You rarely see them (not saying he's not getting a massive deal just that teams are being more cautious). Everyone thought Cespedes was getting 200 million this past offseason... everyone thought Bautista was getting some huge deal.. Heck I remember hearing Blevins was getting a 3 year, 10 mil per deal this offseason. What if the Yankees have their sights set on Bryce Harper? The Dodgers have Justin Turner through 2020. Sure everyone would "like" him but that doesn't mean every team is throwing 300 million at him. If we truly let 50-70 million come off the books this offseason and especially if Wright decided to come to some sort of settlement I could see us in the mix. Mets would have one major contract on the books in Cespedes and a dearth of prospects in the pipeline at 3B. It's not completely Pie in the Sky IMO. And with that Im bowing out. These hypothetical crystal ball arguments are pointless. A lot can happen between now and then.

Machado isn't Cespedes who curiously has "red flags" that surround him. Machado is in the mix for #2 best player in the game and is 24 years old. He's young, good looking, marketable, impeccable off the field. He's getting an absolute MONSTER deal. Deals only "came down" last off-season because it was an inferior crop of players. 2015 3 players cleared 180 million, 2 cleared 200 million and none were 24 year old MVP caliber monsters. He is going to get more than twice what Cespedes got, closer to 3 times as much. There is zero doubt. Barring injury it's a lock.

"Within the last week, Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports suggested that the price tag for Manny Machado could get into the $400 million range. That's a lot of money, and one it's rather hard to imagine the Orioles committing to even a player as good as Machado."

Machado may get into the $400-million range, which seems almost reasonable considering Marlins outfielder Giancarlo Stanton�s record $325-million deal, but that may prove to be exclusionary for the sometimes penurious Orioles. Hearing that figure, one baseball official suggested it would �probably have to be at another venue.�

and the Dodgers look elsewhere since they already have Turner who's giving him 340 million? Not saying it's not going to happen but there's a real world where he doesn't have the market he expects. Could he get that much? of course. Does he deserve that much? Sure. Maybe. And dont get me wrong I get what your saying. It just doesnt always work out. The Mets could open the bidding on a 7 year deal at 30 per to sort of "replace" Wright and maybe nobody beats it.

I know this is all far fetched but saying we know how much he is 100% getting and thinking what he deserves should really be two different things IMO.

is a 0% chance Machado doesn't receive a MONSTER deal barring injury. This "lets see" is utter BS. He's getting it. Just a matter of from which team.

Great player, but horrendous contract. Brilliant move by his agent getting Stanton his cake and eating it by leveraging the Marlins ownership and their shortsihted view.

Speaking of that franchise, wonder how long after the all star break it implodes?

not going to go through every possible destination but a team like Detroit (known for megadeals) has 80 million coming off their books when he's a FA, The Yankees and Red Sox will be involved. Basically any team with a decent payroll will be involved on a 24 year old monster superstar. There is no scenario (barring decline/injury) he doesn't get a megadeal and that includes the Yankees signing Harper etc. It's a silly scenario.

If there are teams opening up the bidding at 300-400 million there is no way on earth am I suggesting Sandy is going to be jumping in those waters. I have a hard time seeing him go higher than 5 years to be honest. I dont think he wanted to sign Wright to the contract he did and was sort of forced by ownership. The Wright contract probably only confirms his doubts in the first place.

Just saying... in a down market if there isn't the massive interest he's expecting... a star 3B could be exactly the kind of player we would want to spend big on.

What if Sandy isn't running the team by that off season?

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Great player, but horrendous contract. Brilliant move by his agent getting Stanton his cake and eating it by leveraging the Marlins ownership and their shortsihted view. Speaking of that franchise, wonder how long after the all star break it implodes?

I wouldn't count out the Marlins as Machado's eventual next team (though the Yankees are the heavy favorites). He's from Miami and presumably the new owner will treat them like a normal franchise.

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not going to go through every possible destination but a team like Detroit (known for megadeals) has 80 million coming off their books when he's a FA, The Yankees and Red Sox will be involved. Basically any team with a decent payroll will be involved on a 24 year old monster superstar. There is no scenario (barring decline/injury) he doesn't get a megadeal and that includes the Yankees signing Harper etc. It's a silly scenario.

So you literally just confirmed my exact point in this paragraph. "Basically any team with a decent payroll will be involved". We are around 150 million right now and could be under 100 next year if that's the route we chose. We play in NY. Why couldn't we "basically any team with a decent payroll will be involved"

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What if Sandy isn't running the team by that off season?

Shecky,
He's arguing Machado won't get a monster deal. He's not even "defending" the Mets and their willingness to do so. This is why this argument is beyond preposterous. Mega stars in their mid-20's get monster deals. THEY set the market, the market doesn't "go down" for them.

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What if Sandy isn't running the team by that off season?

Please dont scare me man. This is my biggest fear with the team. Sandy is preparing to move on.

In comment 13427359 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13427354 Shecky said: Quote: What if Sandy isn't running the team by that off season? Shecky, He's arguing Machado won't get a monster deal. He's not even "defending" the Mets and their willingness to do so. This is why this argument is beyond preposterous. Mega stars in their mid-20's get monster deals. THEY set the market, the market doesn't "go down" for them.

Dude. Where on earth did I say he wont get a monster deal?? Please find it for me.

In comment 13427358 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 13427348 DanMetroMan said: Quote: not going to go through every possible destination but a team like Detroit (known for megadeals) has 80 million coming off their books when he's a FA, The Yankees and Red Sox will be involved. Basically any team with a decent payroll will be involved on a 24 year old monster superstar. There is no scenario (barring decline/injury) he doesn't get a megadeal and that includes the Yankees signing Harper etc. It's a silly scenario. So you literally just confirmed my exact point in this paragraph. "Basically any team with a decent payroll will be involved". We are around 150 million right now and could be under 100 next year if that's the route we chose. We play in NY. Why couldn't we "basically any team with a decent payroll will be involved"

He's going to get an insane amount of years. He's a LOCK for the 10-12 year deal (with opt outs) which the Mets are extremely unlikely to do. Your premise (the one you started with) was that the Mets would give him a higher AAV but not the years. The higher AAV won't make up for the years on an in his prime superstar. He's getting 30+ per season years or not.

In comment 13427365 ZGiants98 said:

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In comment 13427359 DanMetroMan said: Quote: In comment 13427354 Shecky said: Quote: What if Sandy isn't running the team by that off season? Shecky, He's arguing Machado won't get a monster deal. He's not even "defending" the Mets and their willingness to do so. This is why this argument is beyond preposterous. Mega stars in their mid-20's get monster deals. THEY set the market, the market doesn't "go down" for them. Dude. Where on earth did I say he wont get a monster deal?? Please find it for me.

"Let's wait and see shall we? Massive deals have come down lately. You rarely see them (not saying he's not getting a massive deal just that teams are being more cautious). Everyone thought Cespedes was getting 200 million this past offseason... everyone thought Bautista was getting some huge deal"

hmmm. Machado is going to get more than double what Cespedes got. Just because this most recent off-season had a terrible FA market doesn't mean anything in regard to Machado, Harper etc. You make it sound like superstars were available but got small deals. The top 3 contracts given out to position players were Cespedes, Dexter Fowler and Ian Desmond. The players available sucked.

I flat out said he very well might get an astronomical deal and probably even deserves one and will get one. What I said was things dont always go the way they should and in a hypothetical down market (Harper goes to the Yankees, ect.) maybe the Mets get involved.

if Stanton is traded this year at the deadline.

This is the last cheap year for him at $14.5M.

He then goes to $25M for 2018 $26M for 2019 and 2020 and then $29M for 2021 and 2022 then three years at $32M and then when he's 36 it starts ramping back down.

for a guy who can't stay healthy.

He does have an opt out after 2020 which the way these deals go, he'll finally put together a monster season in 2020 at 30 years old and opt out for a bigger deal.

In comment 13427356 DanMetroMan said:

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presumably the new owner will treat them like a normal franchise.

Read that line a few times. And it makes you realize how pathetic it is that MLB has let Loriaull the shit he's pulled all this time. So sad.

"If both players were to hit the open market today, Harper would probably still land the bigger contract. But the question isn�t the no-brainer it might�ve been just two months ago. Yes, Harper is the bigger name and has a more established track record as one of the best players in baseball, but Machado is quickly closing the gap between them. The disparity between Machado and Harper isn�t as big as it was just 365 days ago and it�s hard to discount the impact the Orioles star brings to the game with his glove at two positions where young offensive stars aren�t growing on trees.

Given how much money is rumored to be on the table � potentially the first two $500 million contracts in American sports history � the chances are pretty strong both Machado and Harper hit the open market following the 2018 season. And if Manny Machado continues to improve offensively at the clip at which he�s been moving the last few years, the Orioles third baseman could be receiving an even larger payday than his fellow young baseball prodigy."

3 times what Cespedes got and will get a 10-12 year deal. It's a 100% lock.

We know your stance.

I dont even have one. We'll see.

to see what he (and Harper) end up getting. Talents like this (at these ages) havn't really hit FA in a while. I'd think Machado would get something like 10yr/$300M at the lower bound but could be even higher.

There's so many teams that could bid for him. Even Atlanta and Philly might want to make a splash at that point.

In comment 13427374 Shecky said:

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In comment 13427356 DanMetroMan said: Quote: presumably the new owner will treat them like a normal franchise. Read that line a few times. And it makes you realize how pathetic it is that MLB has let Loriaull the shit he's pulled all this time. So sad.

I've read/heard nothing but AWFUL stories regarding Loria and Samson. If the Marlins played in NY and were run the same way it would be NON-STOP. I know nothing about baseball interest in Miami (I've actually never met a Marlins fan) but those who exist deserve better.

In comment 13427372 pjcas18 said:

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if Stanton is traded this year at the deadline.

Once the break passes, I'd say any and every Marlin is available.

In comment 13427378 ZGiants98 said:

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3 times what Cespedes got and will get a 10-12 year deal. It's a 100% lock. We know your stance. I dont even have one. We'll see.

Bookmark this. The caveat being injury/decline. Assuming he's still "Machado" he will get triple Cespedes. 100% quote me.

If Machado is getting 400 million it's a waste. He's not some uber bat like Harper or Trout have shown....at least not yet. He's turned in one wRC+ 130s season. Most of his value is tied to his defense and that's not lasting 10-12 years.

Wright shockingly retired I'd make a call on Prado. I think he'd be perfect.

In comment 13427387 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13427378 ZGiants98 said: Quote: 3 times what Cespedes got and will get a 10-12 year deal. It's a 100% lock. We know your stance. I dont even have one. We'll see. Bookmark this. The caveat being injury/decline. Assuming he's still "Machado" he will get triple Cespedes. 100% quote me.

No problem. I dont even hope your wrong or anything. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

obviously can't account for injuries. Didn't see David Wright going from MVP caliber to what he's become.

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Juan Lagares activated from the DL. Paul Sewald optioned to @LasVegas51s #mets

So you kind of expect it.
Samson, he's truly a unique individual...

Sports in Miami is a real tough sell. But youth baseball is HUGE in South Florida, so you have a young base to begin with. Then look at the crowds for the WBC this year - an INSANE baseball hungry Cuban, PR and DR population. Regular season games - no one cares. Second home game of the year and vs the Braves (large Braves fan base prior to Marlins) - and if there were 13-14k there, I'd be surprised. Really, really pathetic.

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Juan Lagares activated from the DL. Paul Sewald optioned to @LasVegas51s #mets

Comforts with the last second, short term reprieve.

brings up a valid question... why activate Lagares today if you aren't going to start him? Wouldn't the extra arm help for todays game?

That was the "rush".

In comment 13427390 DanMetroMan said:

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Wright shockingly retired I'd make a call on Prado. I think he'd be perfect.

I've wanted them to get Prado for 2 years just so he can't stop beating us at the end of games. But seriously he's the exact type of guy this lineup needs.

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That was the "rush".

Yeah but he's not starting tonight so why not wait a day? Defense in CF late in games is more important tonight than an extra arm? Seems kinda silly timing wise.

In comment 13427467 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13427444 Shecky said: Quote: That was the "rush". Yeah but he's not starting tonight so why not wait a day? Defense in CF late in games is more important tonight than an extra arm? Seems kinda silly timing wise.

It was more than that. Lengthens bench with an extra pinch hitter, pinch runner, and defensive replacement vs a super extended bullpen. Legates isn't starting because he needed the day off.