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Raanan-Hankins was looking for $15 million PER YEAR!

Vin_Cuccs : 4/12/2017 9:43 pm
4 years, $28M. Right in line with what I was hearing of $6-7M. And yes, I heard $15M per year asking price as well at start of FA. #Giants

This is Raanan responding to the new info on the Hankins contract offer. I thought this deserved it's own thread.

That is an insane contract demand!
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RE: Can anyone remember a contract situation  
robbieballs2003 : 4/12/2017 10:50 pm : link
In comment 13426215 adamg said:
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as asymmetrical (contentious?) as this? This seems ridiculous beyond anything I can remember...


I think the Plax situation is the closest I can think of but that is not on this level.
The only thing that is running through my mind  
robbieballs2003 : 4/12/2017 10:54 pm : link
Is maybe they want to be crazy now and want this publicity to make him a bigger name so next time he hits FA he is more of a known player. That still doesn't make sense because you need the production but maybe they are going with the school of thought that any publicity is good publicity. For one thing, it is getting people talking about him.
RE: RE: Can anyone remember a contract situation  
adamg : 4/12/2017 10:55 pm : link
In comment 13426219 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 13426215 adamg said:


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as asymmetrical (contentious?) as this? This seems ridiculous beyond anything I can remember...



I think the Plax situation is the closest I can think of but that is not on this level.


Then I'm in line with your thinking. There's no need for this drama over a #2 DT. It is holding us hostage and opens us up to future shit where it really matters (e.g. Odell, Collins, et al.). What makes Hanks the exception? Even JPP didn't bust our FO's balls like this, and many of us were annoyed with how that shook out for a little while...

It's sad because of how stupid it is. He had a good deal in place on the team that drafted him which is poised to make a playoff of even super bowl run. Ugh.
What I don't get is how the Giants are handling this.  
robbieballs2003 : 4/12/2017 11:17 pm : link
Obviously they are not pleased because this is the second time there has been a leak about these negotiations. The first was about them not being happy with what is happening. This time not only is it reiterated that they are not happy about it but now the details were released. They have nobody to be mad at but themselves. They are obviously at peace with him leaving or at least were at peace with it since they let him shop the offer around. But what does releasing this publicly do for them? Do they think this is going to make Hankins make up his mind sooner? Are they trying to get the fans on their side? Is this to let their players know they are doing what they can to bring him back? If they truly want him back I think the best way is to put a deadline on this. Say sign it by tomorrow or it is off the table. If that is known publicly after the deadline then no other team is going to come close to that number because now they know the best offer he had is no longer available. The Giants are enabling his plan.
Yeah right!!!  
3r76jp : 4/12/2017 11:31 pm : link
I have a hard time believing that to be true, even hes got to know thats absurd. I'd like to have him back but even at 6mil a year seems steep. If he was to somehow get anywhere near that amount I hope it's with another team and god bless'em. Hopefully from an NFC East team so we can enjoy watching that money swirl down the drain ala Albert Haynesworth.
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Go Terps : 4/12/2017 11:49 pm : link
With the insane money the Giants have thrown into the defensive line, who can blame him for asking?
RE: .  
adamg : 4/12/2017 11:51 pm : link
In comment 13426286 Go Terps said:
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With the insane money the Giants have thrown into the defensive line, who can blame him for asking?


Asking for JPP and Vernon money? Asking for 6 mill more per year than Snacks money?

Whatever dude.

Holding out for it and sitting on a market value contract for a couple months is more the issue here.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/13/2017 12:20 am : link
I absolutely *LOVE* that he and his agent are going to get ALOT less than that. LOVE it.
Lol...  
prdave73 : 4/13/2017 12:46 am : link
I think this Organization is sometimes to loyal for its own good.. I hear numbers like that, i'm like ok good, time to move on. Then use the 4yr 28 mil on Jerrigan done.
6-7m/year  
Glover : 4/13/2017 1:12 am : link
sounds about right to me.
He needs to be in the concussion protocol...  
GmanND : 4/13/2017 1:40 am : link
I think he ends up being a Cowboy after June 1
Me, from yesterday.  
Klaatu : 4/13/2017 4:46 am : link
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The richest one-year deals were given to Dontari Poe and Bennie Logan.
Klaatu : 4/12/2017 10:24 am : link : reply
Each got $8 million, with $7,500,00 and $7,680,00 guaranteed, respectively. If Hankins is looking for something similar from the Giants, I expect he's going to be disappointed.

I can't imagine the Giants offered Hank anything close to the 5-year, $52 million dollar deal ($33,750,000 guaranteed) that Brandon Williams signed, and obviously no other team offered anything close to that, either. If Hankins and his agents thought they'd get a similar deal, they should have known very quickly that it wasn't happening.

Four years, at $7 million per year is exactly what Nick Fairley got from the Saints ($14 million guaranteed). Now, Hankins is four years younger than Fairley, and you could argue that he's been the more productive player and should be worth a richer contract, but, again, it doesn't seem like the Giants or anyone else thought so.

As Eric said in another thread, it's just weird.
I don't think it's as crazy as everyone thinks  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/13/2017 5:49 am : link
With all the old Olineman getting around 15 per year, paying that much for a young DT doesn't sound to crazy.

That being said after the market was set, you have to get down to market value and this years crop of DTs weren't making close to that.
What is Hamlin's smoking  
Mike B from JC : 4/13/2017 5:56 am : link
He is mostly a one dimensional player. Adequate but far from a great player. I wouldn't give him 7 or 8 per. Maybe 4 or 5. Jpp, or Vernon, he's not. Better get back to Earth, get his head out of the clouds
Hankins  
Mike B from JC : 4/13/2017 5:57 am : link
Stupid spell check
I believe  
mdthedream : 4/13/2017 6:30 am : link
Hankins would rather be a Giant at equal money and is in no hurry. That said if someone steps up and pays him a lot more he will take it. I think the Giants should have given him a deadline for this offer.
NFL players normally get one shot  
joeinpa : 4/13/2017 6:49 am : link
At a big contract. I don t think it s any more complicated than that. Why should he hurry.
I canít blame the guy for looking to get as much as he possibly can.  
bigblue1124 : 4/13/2017 7:26 am : link

But if those numbers are correct his agent is doing him a disservice and is delusional. I like Hank and think he will continue to improve on this line with Snacks next to him. Any team that would even consider him for close to that kind of money is nuts.

If he and his agent hold to this I wish the guy luck and the Giants should just pull the offer on the table if thatís the case.
RE: I don't think it's as crazy as everyone thinks  
robbieballs2003 : 4/13/2017 7:39 am : link
In comment 13426321 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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With all the old Olineman getting around 15 per year, paying that much for a young DT doesn't sound to crazy.

That being said after the market was set, you have to get down to market value and this years crop of DTs weren't making close to that.


What offensive linemen have signed for $15 million per year?
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I think we all probably work with people who think they are  
ZogZerg : 4/13/2017 7:44 am : link
wonderful and do so much, when the reality is they aren't as wonderful as they think. When they look in the mirror they see something different than everyone else who looks at them and works with them.

I think that is the situation that Hank is in. His agent is telling him how wonderful he is and Hank looks in the mirror and sees Snacks, when no one else in the NFL does.
What does OL salary have to do with DT salary?  
ZogZerg : 4/13/2017 7:46 am : link
NOTHING!!
Different positions make different money in the NFL and you also have to factor in supply vs demand.
RE: I think we all probably work with people who think they are  
robbieballs2003 : 4/13/2017 7:54 am : link
In comment 13426339 ZogZerg said:
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wonderful and do so much, when the reality is they aren't as wonderful as they think. When they look in the mirror they see something different than everyone else who looks at them and works with them.

I think that is the situation that Hank is in. His agent is telling him how wonderful he is and Hank looks in the mirror and sees Snacks, when no one else in the NFL does.


I cannot blame his agent because the agent works for the player and if the player isn't smart enough to realize that then he deserves what he gets. Everybody keeps throwing blame at the Postons. Why? Hankins was the one that hired them. Hankins is the one who is still employing them. Hankins is the one whose reputation is on the line.
robbie  
ZogZerg : 4/13/2017 7:59 am : link
You should blame the Agent. His strategy can prevent Hank from making the most possible money. He priced himself out of the market early on, when teams were throwing money around. If he came in at a more REALISTIC price tag, Hanks could possibly have signed for more money than the Giants are offering and/or that he eventually agrees to. Instead teams moved on to other more REALISTIC options to fill needs. Players rely on the agents. It seems like Hank made a mistake picking this agent.
I'm looking for 15M a year too.  
WideRight : 4/13/2017 8:23 am : link
I dont have an agent, but if I did, he would tell me its worth waiting for
RE: robbie  
robbieballs2003 : 4/13/2017 8:24 am : link
In comment 13426350 ZogZerg said:
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You should blame the Agent. His strategy can prevent Hank from making the most possible money. He priced himself out of the market early on, when teams were throwing money around. If he came in at a more REALISTIC price tag, Hanks could possibly have signed for more money than the Giants are offering and/or that he eventually agrees to. Instead teams moved on to other more REALISTIC options to fill needs. Players rely on the agents. It seems like Hank made a mistake picking this agent.


But it is still up to Hankins here. He knew going into this thing what their plan was. If he signed off on it then it is his problem. Also, these clowns for agents have a horrible reputation around the NFL. He should have done his research. No matter which way you slice it it comes back to Hankins. The old saying of if someone else you knew jumped off a bridge would you? Almost every kid is going to give a sarcastic no to that answer. Just because these agents have a horrible idea/plan doesn't mean Hankins is some poor weak-minded person that has to go along with it.

Look at the Plax situation. If I remember this correctly he was moving slower than every other FA. He scheduled a visit with us and we couldn't agree on a contract with his agent. EA told him if he left then the offer was off the table. Plax left without a deal and then fired his agent and agreed to terms shortly after that. At some point the player has to realize the agent works for them and not the other way around which, unfortunately, a lot of athletes don't seem to realize.
In addition to everything else being said here  
David B. : 4/13/2017 8:36 am : link
The other thing that's out there now is that other teams must be thinking something like this:

The team that knows him best is only offering him X -- why would we break the bank for him when his own team won't?

That's working against him too.

I still believe he'll be back at the last possible moment when all his time and options have run out. And I think the Giants would like to have him back, but they are obviously fine with the idea letting him walk if somebody beats their offer. He's a good player but the least important guy on the DL. Bromley or whoever could certainly hold the fort there if need be.

The Giants overpaid a ton for JPP because they had no better options available and couldn't replace what he brings. That just isn't the case with Hankins.
Heard a handful of reports on Sirius about his demands...  
Racer : 4/13/2017 8:37 am : link
..and none exceeded an average of $10M per year. Considering none of those individuals work for the clickbait division of the 4-letter network, I think I'll file the $15M information in the appropriate place and pass on the link. Just say 'no'.
The $15 million does seem like it was a fabricated number.....  
Vin_Cuccs : 4/13/2017 8:46 am : link
....but Raanan is the best of the best and he knows what is going on. I trust him more than any other writer or reporter.

I don't think this is click bait being that it wasn't a story and he was responding to a question on Twitter.
agreed  
UConn4523 : 4/13/2017 8:46 am : link
$15 million sounds like bullshit. Maybe it referred to guaranteed money but not yearly salary.
And judging on what we know about the Poston's as agents....  
Vin_Cuccs : 4/13/2017 8:50 am : link
....this doesn't seems like it is out of character from them.
This is a nice way  
fbdad : 4/13/2017 9:13 am : link
for a big man to avoid going to hot summer practices. Nothing new. It used to be that you'd always see starters who were between contracts "hold out" and then sign for the same money that was originally offered because they didn't want to go to camp. Somewhat less now that the CBA puts limitations on what the team can demand but the concept still holds true.

Big guys hate camp.
RE: This is a nice way  
UConn4523 : 4/13/2017 9:16 am : link
In comment 13426396 fbdad said:
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for a big man to avoid going to hot summer practices. Nothing new. It used to be that you'd always see starters who were between contracts "hold out" and then sign for the same money that was originally offered because they didn't want to go to camp. Somewhat less now that the CBA puts limitations on what the team can demand but the concept still holds true.

Big guys hate camp.


I don't think so, not when you are young and trying to land a big contract. That's usually what vets do.

Every day Hankins waits he risks a lower offer.
RE: And judging on what we know about the Poston's as agents....  
Jay on the Island : 4/13/2017 9:16 am : link
In comment 13426376 Vin_Cuccs said:
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....this doesn't seems like it is out of character from them.

I hope the rest of the NFL has taken note. This entire situation has been an absolute joke from day one. I honestly can't remember another situation where an agency has done such a horrific job representing it's client.
Demonstrates again it doesn't matter what the player asks for  
BillT : 4/13/2017 9:46 am : link
It only matters what they are offered.
So am I.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/13/2017 9:48 am : link
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seems like the logic was  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/13/2017 9:53 am : link
We PAID Vernon and Snacks last year.

We gave JPP "Vernon-money" this year because he basically matched or exceeded Vernon when on the field last year.

Hankins/his agent believe he deserves "Snacks money", problem is that Snacks was CLEARLY a better player last year making any sort of JPP analogy a weak argument.
I guess  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/13/2017 9:55 am : link
even more than Snacks money, but I don't think "looking" for $15M was the case. Maybe asking initially to start negotiations high.
Owhership doing its bargaining by press leak  
HomerJones45 : 4/13/2017 9:56 am : link
as per usual.
RE: seems like the logic was  
BillT : 4/13/2017 9:59 am : link
In comment 13426459 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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We PAID Vernon and Snacks last year.

We gave JPP "Vernon-money" this year because he basically matched or exceeded Vernon when on the field last year.

Hankins/his agent believe he deserves "Snacks money", problem is that Snacks was CLEARLY a better player last year making any sort of JPP analogy a weak argument.

How is $15m/y "Snacks money." Snack's contract was $9.5m/y.
Maybe Snacks  
HoustonGiant : 4/13/2017 10:00 am : link
and Hankins switched jerseys it was really Hank that was All-World???
RE: Owhership doing its bargaining by press leak  
Klaatu : 4/13/2017 10:08 am : link
In comment 13426467 HomerJones45 said:
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as per usual.


Yeah, it's the team that's the bad guy here, not the player who, along with his agents, completely misread the market and ridiculously overestimated his own worth. It's the team, who put a fair offer on the table weeks ago, not the player and his agents, who've shown a marked inability to bargain in good faith.

As Mr. Williams once said to Han, "Man, you come right out of a comic book."
I usually  
PaulN : 4/13/2017 10:15 am : link
Don't get involved in these type threads when we talk about another persons worth, but if you simply play owner or GM, would you pay 15 mil per season for Hankins, and if not what do you think he is worth, do you think the Giants offer of 7 mil per is fair. In my opinion the 7 mil per season is fair. I say good luck to Hankins though. I like him, but you simply can't pay him that contract.
Honestly tell him to screw off  
The 12th Man : 4/13/2017 10:16 am : link
If he is dumb enough o believe he is worth that money I want him no where near this team. He has cancer to the locker room written all over him. Thanks for your time here but I would move and move very quickly in another direction. 15 million? Does Hankins have any common sense. By the way, one of the Asshats made comments about Poston killing his client. sounds like he was right. Didn't Strahan use Poston as his agent?
RE: Well  
ThatLimerickGuy : 4/13/2017 12:38 pm : link
In comment 13426191 George said:
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that actually explains why he hasn't come running to the Giants this winter: he's asking twice as much as NY is offering and, because we've left the offer on the table, there's no incentive for him to jump at it, seeing as how he (or his agent) feels it's 50% lower than he's worth and it's now a fall-back, safety net position.

The market will show him otherwise, and he'll come to the realization that he won't be making Edge Rusher money anytime soon. Still, I'll bet he's signed soon enough by someone willing to shell out about 13% more than the Giants: I'm guessing he'll get some team to bite for 4 x $8,000,000, which will seem like a bargain after they've heard the initial figure of $15mil.

And that, by the way, is precisely Poston's strategy here. Start obscenely high and negotiate down to a figure that's still absolutely ridiculous, but seemingly a steal because it's so much lower than what it might've been. It seems crazy, but it'll probably work in the end.

Oh, and for all the shit that Poston's getting for this stupidly outrageous demand of $15,000,000, Hankins deserves an equal amount of grief. It's not like his agent is doing all this on the sly without the client's knowledge: Hanky knows what's going on, and Hanky's all in.


Don't be so sure that the 4 year 28 mil dollar offer is still on the table. I specifically heard it was pulled at some point. Who knows maybe it is back in play but I had heard 2 for 7-8 per.

I would guess that if it does get done it's maybe 3 for 20-22 or so.
What's the big deal?  
fkap : 4/13/2017 12:50 pm : link
Giants put a value on a guy they want back. Hankins wants more. there's nothing contentious, embarrassing, or otherwise negative newsworthy. Hankins doesn't have the Giants over a barrel. they would prefer him back, but not at significantly over the set value. If he doesn't come back, it's no different than if someone had offered him the moon and he left. If the draft comes and he's not signed, and a DL looks like good value, they draft him.
What a coincidence - I am asking all my potential employers for $15M  
PatersonPlank : 4/13/2017 12:52 pm : link
too! No takers yet but lets see how it goes.
Hankins  
PaulN : 4/13/2017 1:20 pm : link
Is taking a risk, there is no guarantee the Giants will be willing to keep that offer if he comes back to them, even if they had intentions to do so, things change in time and time is passing. I think the Giants do like him and they will probably handle it with class if he does come back, but there is risk. I have not heard the Giants pulled the offer, but that doesn't mean they didn't pull it either. I just have not read that.
15M?  
annexOPR : 4/13/2017 1:25 pm : link
That's 7.5M per Dallas game ... pretty steep. Good luck with that Hankins.
Well, for all of you knocking his agent,  
Doomster : 4/14/2017 8:35 am : link
he ended up with a contract equal to Harrison.....

I seriously doubt, the agent was asking for 15M per, even as a starting point....

The agent got his man what he wanted, 10M per, which is more than Harrison....

So everyone saying he was only worth 6-7M, it means nothing when it comes to FAcy....you always overpay in FAcy, if you really want someone....Hell, was Vernon worth 29M last year?
Agree. If the result is the Indy offered paid than the Giants  
Jimmy Googs : 4/14/2017 9:55 am : link
then his Agent got the job done afterall.

And we'll move along fine..
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