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NFT: The end of Chief Wahoo?

T-Bone : 4/13/2017 1:12 pm
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MLB commissioner Rob Manfred wants Cleveland to "transition away from the Chief Wahoo logo," as MLB spokesman Pat Courtney said in a statement to David Waldstein of the New York Times.

"We have specific steps in an identified process and are making progress," Courtney added of the transition. "We are confident that a positive resolution will be reached that will be good for the game and the club."


This has been a frequent topic on this site over the past several year so I figured I'd post this article. I wonder, with MLB's commish making this move, if Goodell will feel more pressure to try to get the Skins to change their name?


Wahoo may be going bye-bye? - ( New Window )
I always look to the opinions  
Beezer : 4/13/2017 1:14 pm : link
of the alleged aggrieved. Can't tell you, off the top of my head, who thinks what anymore, but I've found it interesting that many Native Americans don't take offense at such things.
Good  
Anakim : 4/13/2017 1:15 pm : link
And it's high time that Danny Boy change the name of his franchise
RE: I always look to the opinions  
BMac : 4/13/2017 1:16 pm : link
In comment 13426862 Beezer said:
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of the alleged aggrieved. Can't tell you, off the top of my head, who thinks what anymore, but I've found it interesting that many Native Americans don't take offense at such things.


Honest Injun?
RE: I always look to the opinions  
Matt M. : 4/13/2017 1:16 pm : link
In comment 13426862 Beezer said:
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of the alleged aggrieved. Can't tell you, off the top of my head, who thinks what anymore, but I've found it interesting that many Native Americans don't take offense at such things.
Just curious, what is the source for this opinion?
lol ...  
Beezer : 4/13/2017 1:19 pm : link
Um. Me?
There are polls that have said  
Beezer : 4/13/2017 1:20 pm : link
many Native Americans aren't offended by sports teams named "in honor," this way.

Chief Wahoo may be a completely different item.
RE: I always look to the opinions  
Anakim : 4/13/2017 1:21 pm : link
In comment 13426862 Beezer said:
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of the alleged aggrieved. Can't tell you, off the top of my head, who thinks what anymore, but I've found it interesting that many Native Americans don't take offense at such things.


That's not the legal standard though.

Scandalous/immoral 2-part test (this bar has two considerations that if both considerations are immoral, then it’s a bar):

1. “Likely meaning of the matter in question, taking into account not only dictionary definitions, but also the relationship of the matter to the other elements in the mark, the nature of the goods or services, and the manner in which the mark is used in the marketplace in connection with the goods or services”

2. Whether a “substantial composite of the general public” would regard it as offensive - 1. whether the mark is considered offensive/objectionable by a reasonable person of ordinary sensibilities.
I'm not arguing what bar should or should not be in place.  
Beezer : 4/13/2017 1:24 pm : link

I said I find it interesting.
Verizon is acquiring it  
spike : 4/13/2017 1:27 pm : link
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RE: I'm not arguing what bar should or should not be in place.  
Anakim : 4/13/2017 1:28 pm : link
In comment 13426887 Beezer said:
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I said I find it interesting.


Fair enough, though I think more people find Chief Wahoo and the Redskins name offensive than those who find an Asian-American band called "The Slants" offensive.
Yeah indeginous peoples are really pissed off  
Sec 103 : 4/13/2017 1:28 pm : link
that a Chief Wahoo or Redskin are images/names of some teams. They have no problem that most of their land was taken never to be given back, while attempting to wipe them off the face of the earth. Only to be moved into the more despicable parts of the country, oh and btw live in mostly sub standard living conditions while white boys run around feeling oppressed by teams with such mascots / idols.
Get real folks your white guilt now will never take away the past, regardless of how brutal and inhuman it may seem now. But I doubt in even a small way that removing these idols / names will wipe away any of the angst of the past for these folks...And yes I do know quite a few of them and most that I know would agree with these statements.
RE: Yeah indeginous peoples are really pissed off  
T-Bone : 4/13/2017 1:30 pm : link
In comment 13426899 Sec 103 said:
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that a Chief Wahoo or Redskin are images/names of some teams. They have no problem that most of their land was taken never to be given back, while attempting to wipe them off the face of the earth. Only to be moved into the more despicable parts of the country, oh and btw live in mostly sub standard living conditions while white boys run around feeling oppressed by teams with such mascots / idols.
Get real folks your white guilt now will never take away the past, regardless of how brutal and inhuman it may seem now. But I doubt in even a small way that removing these idols / names will wipe away any of the angst of the past for these folks...And yes I do know quite a few of them and most that I know would agree with these statements.


Why does it have to be either/or? Why can't they be pissed off about both 'conditions'?
How many people does it take make a trademark disparaging  
Tom in DC : 4/13/2017 1:47 pm : link
I looked intro this briefly while debating a coworker who liked the Redskins. There is not a completely defined threshold beyond which something is considered disparaging. Its not like you need greater than 50% of a population or anything. I think they use a vague term like 'significant number of individuals" or something like that.

I do know that just because you can parade out lots of examples of people who are not offended, doesn't mean your trademark is in fact, not offensive. Dan Snider has used this tactic many times to try to prove by exception that "Reskins" is not offensive. He even ran hilarious propaganda adds on Pandora a couple years back.

Try going to Merriam Websters or the Oxford English dictionary and look up the term Reskins. I think you'll find it defined as a derogatory slang term. In my mind, its not up for debate. Its offensive and it shoudl be changed.

Snider's recent legal challenges have been to use examples of other trademarks that are offensive and have not been cancelled. That seems counter intuitive to me, almost like admitting that your own trademark is offensive.

In the end, as long as he can keep the debate at "whether its offensive or not" he wins. The debate shoudl be "why haven't you changed it yet?"
yeah it's time for chief wahoo to disappear  
Les in TO : 4/13/2017 2:33 pm : link
just like the original aunt jemima (originally portrayed by a slave), frito bandito and the st johns redmen mascot all were rightly relegated to the mascot dustbin. wahoo is a racist cartoonish depiction of an Indian, which in itself a term that is no longer appropriate.
Just shows  
Ron from Ninerland : 4/13/2017 2:41 pm : link
Manfred is just as stupid as the used car salesman from Milwaukee. The Redskins nonsense has finally died down, why stir up this hornet's nest ?
The new mascot?  
Pete in MD : 4/13/2017 2:46 pm : link
RE: RE: Yeah indeginous peoples are really pissed off  
David in LA : 4/13/2017 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13426905 T-Bone said:
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In comment 13426899 Sec 103 said:


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that a Chief Wahoo or Redskin are images/names of some teams. They have no problem that most of their land was taken never to be given back, while attempting to wipe them off the face of the earth. Only to be moved into the more despicable parts of the country, oh and btw live in mostly sub standard living conditions while white boys run around feeling oppressed by teams with such mascots / idols.
Get real folks your white guilt now will never take away the past, regardless of how brutal and inhuman it may seem now. But I doubt in even a small way that removing these idols / names will wipe away any of the angst of the past for these folks...And yes I do know quite a few of them and most that I know would agree with these statements.



Why does it have to be either/or? Why can't they be pissed off about both 'conditions'?


Comments like Sec 103's makes me just roll my eyes.
Easy change. Just go with Chef Wahoo.  
MOOPS : 4/13/2017 3:35 pm : link
So they'll change the logo  
pjcas18 : 4/13/2017 3:50 pm : link
but keep the name Indians?

Who will be their new logo?

Peter from tech support?


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